From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #242 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 15 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 242 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- (no subject) [Aerchak@aol.com] Re: Down to You [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: sorrow and affectation [quiltbear ] RE: snow and other smells..now with Joni content/question [quiltbear ] Now, how is it Nambla & Joni are related?? ["Christopher Treacy" ] this list and the moment and suburbs...NJC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Gertrude Stein of music SJC ["theodore" ] Re: sorrow and affectation ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Today's Library Links: April 15 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Joni on Video! 100% JC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Gertrude Stein of music SJC ["kakki" ] Re: Embedded njc ["kakki" ] RE: NAMBLA, njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:59:44 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: (no subject) Colin, There you go with your fucking biting sarcasm again . I simply said that I found the neverending discussion tedious and having been abused as as child I do not appreciate any amount of intellectualization on the subject. I would not even dignify myself into entering a dialogue with any anyone who might think it is ok to have sex with kids. But that is not my point, you made a cutting sarcastic remark to me before, about "poor you, you only have one friend on the list". Your comment was cruel, hurtful and downright mean. Bipolar or not, you have a nasty streak and i do not appreciate your cutting sarcasm. Believe or not, Colin, sometimes other people are not in a good space themselves and me deciding to go back to joni-only has NOTHING the fuck to do with you. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:02:00 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Down to You apropos of the recent discussion about DTY, today I get this unsolicited e-mail from my daughter. "God, I just LOVE that song...... it's incredible how touching her music can be. i mean, when you think about what art is, what it should be... there are so few things that are both intellectually and emotionally stimulating at once - that you can not only appreciate, but fully enjoy." Bobsart (feeling a bit like Alien - what have I done ?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:22:25 -0700 (PDT) From: quiltbear Subject: Re: sorrow and affectation - --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/14/2003 3:39:32 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: > > > Doesn't everyone pronounce "Sorrow" as > "sore-oh?" I > > can't think of any other pronunciation of > that > > particular word. It's not Canadian, it's just > plain > > english.... right? > > > I pronounce it "sawr-row". I think that's typical around this area. --Nancy-IA The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:36:15 -0700 (PDT) From: quiltbear Subject: RE: snow and other smells..now with Joni content/question I found one, though it may be a bit of a stretch: "We want the land! Lay down the *reeking* ore! Don't you hear the shrieking in the trees? Everywhere you touch the earthshe's sore." (from "Lakota") - --Nancy-IA - --- anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > And, I can't think of any offhand, but how > about smells > Joni identifies in her songs? In fact, does she > use the > sense of smell at all? (all I can come up with > are > visual images, and some auditory ones.) The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:40:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: quiltbear!!! njc who are you quiltbear?? i loved that nickname! wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:05:12 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Now, how is it Nambla & Joni are related?? Geez, more messy stinky nasty poop juice all over the jmdl. When it rains, it pours! Stinky, nasty, messy...smelly. - -CJT - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:59 PM Subject: (no subject) > Colin, > > There you go with your fucking biting sarcasm again . I simply said that I > found the neverending discussion tedious and having been abused as as child I > do not appreciate any amount of intellectualization on the subject. I would > not even dignify myself into entering a dialogue with any anyone who might > think it is ok to have sex with kids. But that is not my point, you made a > cutting sarcastic remark to me before, about "poor you, you only have one > friend on the list". Your comment was cruel, hurtful and downright mean. > Bipolar or not, you have a nasty streak and i do not appreciate your cutting > sarcasm. Believe or not, Colin, sometimes other people are not in a good > space themselves and me deciding to go back to joni-only has NOTHING the > fuck to do with you. > > Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:42:37 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Gertrude Stein of music SJC Hell wrote: > I think Cass was an exception to the "norm" of the time, but probably > similar to Joni in her attitude to the music business. In a video > documentary I have, Denny Doherty relates drinking boiler-makers under a > table in a bar with Cass, and describes her as "a woman after my own > heart...." which I took to mean she was "one of the boys". In that regard, > maybe Joni viewed her as being like herself - trying to make it as a serious > artist in a man's world. IMO, Cass (and Denny also) carried John and Michelle. They could have never been what they were vocally without Cass. She was the strong voice that the rest could follow and find inspiration from - indispensable in a group harmony, and magical in their case. Maybe that's why Joni respected Cass. I thought Kate du Nord's comments were very insightful. I've always been just like Joni in the sense of always preferring male company. I recall Joni saying in an interview that she always played with the boys in the neighborhood from early childhood (but also had her friends Sharon and Betsy). The two neighborhoods I grew had mostly boys and only one or two girls. We were all friends but because the boys were in the majority, their play activities kind of dictated ours on a daily basis. As an adult, I just find men more fun to hang out with. They are adventurous and one doesn't get bogged down in the petty competitive, scratchy stuff that a group of women can sometimes get into. Men have a calming effect on me (maybe it's a hormonal balancing ;-) I have lifelong best girlfirends, too, but they are also "guy girls" like me. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:26:02 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: this list and the moment and suburbs...NJC Fascinating. She's really talking out of both sides of her mouth. Like she wants everyone to respect the Earth but she doesn't even recreate without causing a HUGE amount of noise for everyone with the Harley. Not to mention the energy saving she's doing with the hot tub. And fast car. And motorcycle. By the way, if she smokes a joint before climbing on, would she be riding high on the hawg? Didn't think so. And thanks, Lucy, for dissecting some of the Brit accents. My father was from Long Island, New York where a few Olde Worlde pronunciations hang heavy in the air. That explains why some flowers are LYE-lacks, not LYE-locks. He uses the James Taylor-esque "thee" too. It works for him. Wouldn't work for David Crosby: "All along thee lee-ee shore. No, no, now bay-bee. Huh." See? Lama, who's sending a cc: to the Lee Shore contingent >> Lucy said: My neighbours are wonderfully wierd and wacky with my immediate neighbours boning up on being new age ......whilst buying a hot tub and two new harley davidsons....... and driving a huge engined car with the bumper stickers declaring they "walk the path of the ancient ones" and "the earth is our mother treat her with respect" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:44:25 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re:NAMBLA, njc Maybe we should start up a really offensive thread by and for heterosexuals. Are there enough of us on the JMDL to support that? We'll talk about oversized vaginas for starters and see who gets uns*bbed first. How long do you think it would take? Six hours? Twelve? Who wants to start? Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:58:36 -0700 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Gertrude Stein of music SJC So do mannish grrrls like susan just halfway kinda take the edge off? There is a really great photo of Momma Cass and her kid eating birthday cake, it's by that Diltz guy that did the Morrison Hotel photo, really funny, I think one of his best shots. No one ever called Gertrude Stein a Tom Boy, Teddy B. Toklas "Baby what you're holding, Half of that belongs to me, and I'm a real straight shooter, if you know what I mean." Mommas and Poppas - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of kakki Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 8:43 PM To: hell Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Gertrude Stein of music SJC Hell wrote: > I think Cass was an exception to the "norm" of the time, but probably > similar to Joni in her attitude to the music business. In a video > documentary I have, Denny Doherty relates drinking boiler-makers under a > table in a bar with Cass, and describes her as "a woman after my own > heart...." which I took to mean she was "one of the boys". In that regard, > maybe Joni viewed her as being like herself - trying to make it as a serious > artist in a man's world. IMO, Cass (and Denny also) carried John and Michelle. They could have never been what they were vocally without Cass. She was the strong voice that the rest could follow and find inspiration from - indispensable in a group harmony, and magical in their case. Maybe that's why Joni respected Cass. I thought Kate du Nord's comments were very insightful. I've always been just like Joni in the sense of always preferring male company. I recall Joni saying in an interview that she always played with the boys in the neighborhood from early childhood (but also had her friends Sharon and Betsy). The two neighborhoods I grew had mostly boys and only one or two girls. We were all friends but because the boys were in the majority, their play activities kind of dictated ours on a daily basis. As an adult, I just find men more fun to hang out with. They are adventurous and one doesn't get bogged down in the petty competitive, scratchy stuff that a group of women can sometimes get into. Men have a calming effect on me (maybe it's a hormonal balancing ;-) I have lifelong best girlfirends, too, but they are also "guy girls" like me. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 02:00:17 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: sorrow and affectation I'll say. In Rochester, New York, they are the only people who can put a "A" in the word "whine". They linger on it. They hover over the long "AYEE" that isn't even there: "why-AhYEEEEEEE-n" Flat is pronounced "fl-AY-yit". Apple is "A-YIP-ple". It's so awful I love it, eh? Now, class, try this: "In RA-chester, they grow a LAAAA-t of why-ahyeee-n gray-pes and a-YIP-ples. Too bad it's colder than an oversized vagina all the ti-eeeeeem." Lama Catherine said, >>To me, Americans *all* sound like they say "sarrow" (or maybe it's "sah-row.") But then again, the Americans nearest Toronto are from western New York, y'know, towns like Rachester and Tanawanda, so maybe it's just them.>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 02:04:58 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 15 On April 15 the following items were published: 1988: "Will People Listen to Joni Mitchell?" - Express (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=106 2000: "Joni Looks At Life" - TV Guide (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=567 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 02:08:22 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni on Video! 100% JC "Joni Mitchell: A Woman Of Heart and Mind" is available on NTSC VHS or DVD from WNET in New York. From the USA and Canada, you can call 1-800-336-1917. "Painting With Words and Music" is available on DVD and NTSC-VHS (in the USA at least). Try www.amazon.com I don't know if it is free of region coding. "Shadows and Light" is available on DVD from a reputable guy in Hong Kong, via eBay auctions. This one is advertised as being free of region coding. It plays fine here in the US and includes stuff left off the 60 minute version sold on VHS here twenty years ago. All the best, Lama ps, all of the USA releases are available in stores as new CDs. Every single one, from "Song To A Seagull" to "Travelogue". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:39:04 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Gertrude Stein of music SJC Teddy wrote: > So do mannish grrrls like susan just halfway kinda take the edge off? Naw...it has to be a cute, sort of wild but sweet guy ;-) And geez, your post about all the boys playing head trips on the "chicks" kind of scared me! Yeah, I know it happens...but geez...a lot of those guys end up kind of sad when they get older. > There is a really great photo of Momma Cass and her kid eating birthday > cake, it's by that Diltz guy that did the Morrison Hotel photo, really > funny, I think one of his best shots. He's the best....and also an instant crush to all the girls who meet him ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:55:50 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Embedded njc Paz's great idea: > Next PazFest we are gonna put you in a body condom with Avon's Skin SO Soft (SSS the best defense > against chiggers and noseeums) caus eI am not taking you back to the infirmary whilst the party went on without us. I thought of that one myself - but then figured I'd have some kind of reaction to latex! The only thing I can think of is a JMDL'er doctor who can be on site with heavy meds at any fest I attend. Is there a doctor in the house?? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 03:57:27 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NAMBLA, njc why would oversized vaginas be an offensive thread? to whom would it be offensive? why would anybody uns*b because of the oversized vaginas thread? what is the point of your message, jim? wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu Enviado el: Martes, 15 de Abril de 2003 02:44 a.m. Para: _JMDL Asunto: Re:NAMBLA, njc Maybe we should start up a really offensive thread by and for heterosexuals. Are there enough of us on the JMDL to support that? We'll talk about oversized vaginas for starters and see who gets uns*bbed first. How long do you think it would take? Six hours? Twelve? Who wants to start? Lama ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #242 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)