From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #239 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, April 14 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 239 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- I's A Muggin' [hell ] RE: spirituality & Joni ["Robert Argento" ] Subject: joni connections njc ["Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: richie havens njc [Susan Guzzi ] i as a boy NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: richie havens njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Today's Library Links: April 14 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:47:35 -0700 (PDT) From: hell Subject: I's A Muggin' I was browsing the JMDL articles today, and found something interesting (at least I thought it was.....) If you look at the photograph accompanying the article "Joni Mitchell Makes Mingus Sing", from Downbeat, Sep. 6, 1979 (http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=95) you'll see a startling similarity to Joni's painting "I's a Muggin'" displayed in the article about the Starart book (http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=370 - you'll need to scroll down to the bottom of the page). I assume Joni used this photograph as the "template" (for want of a better word) for this painting? I know she uses this method (and I've used it myself), ie. taking photographs and then painting from that image, rather than the "real-life" subject. The only difference is that her face is in a different position, and Charles Mingus' head is turned the other way - but even the blanket is the same! It's amazing what you can discover browing those articles! Also, those people recently discussing Joni's attitude to other performers (particularly young female artists) might want to read Les Irvin's very well-written encounter with Joni - in which she discusses this very subject. You can find it at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=171 Hell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 00:28:00 -0400 From: "Robert Argento" Subject: RE: spirituality & Joni Joni spent part of '76, I believe, in Boulder at the Institute. I was there a short time in March 1977 and she had been there earlier. She comments upon her stay there in the opening verse of "Refuge of the Roads". Chogyam Trumpa was quite a drinker and womanizer. Strange that after my time there, when it was time to move on, I had the same sort of feeling that Joni presented in ROTR a year or so later. Spiritualism? I would probably guess her to be more philosophically Buddhist than religiously so. By the way, would you say that Allen Ginsberg that discovered him on the streets in New York or that Chugyan Trumpa discovered Ginsburg? Robban > -----Original Message----- > From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of > SoulQuest7@aol.com > Sent: den 13 april 2003 23:18 > To: guitarzan@direcpc.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: spirituality & Joni > > > In a message dated 4/13/2003 4:37:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: > > > > < called her > > a Buddhist. > > RR>>> > > Well, that may explain her reference to Chogyam Trumpa, the > Tibetan Buddhist > teacher that was an inspiration to so many poets. He has a center in > Boulder. I think it was Allen Ginsberg that discovered him > on the streets in > New York. He was popular amongst the artists scene. He > wrote some books, > the most popular was called "Cutting Through Spiritual > Materialism." I > haven't read them because I'm more interested in Hinduism. > He died in the > 80s I think. ==- om==- Nick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 00:48:35 -0400 From: "Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: joni connections njc Or as Colin himself might say, "Yes it's true. I mate dogs. Professionally." Lama Kate said, >to alleviate any misunderstandings, i just thought i'd point out to any newcomers that colin raises dogs...> Colin said, >>Today we went up north to collect a bitch for Harvey to shag<< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:16:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: richie havens njc Hi Kate, So nice to hear Richie is in good voice and such a sweetheart. I am considering going to see him, as he is playing at the "Old Town School of Folk Music" this month. You know the venue that Joni helped opened back almost 5 years ago this coming September. And it's barely a mile from my house - - so I am tempted. "Freedom" is a great song, and I loved hearing awhile back how it came to be such a classic at Woodstock, which I know you attended and you know I am jealous of that fact! LOL! Well I AM just a youngin! Glad you got to see him and meet him again, afer all these years. Peace, Susan Kate wrote: > yes, & a wonderful man! decades after seeing him at woodstock he played at a > small festival near my house & i went to see him...stood in line for the > meet & greet (rarely do i have patience for that anymore) & he was so > gracious to all who wanted to say hi, in fact stating that he felt it was > part of the deal of being a performer...he's my hero from waaaaaay back so i > had to tell him...i bought his freedom shirt & he signed it 'friends > forever'...lol...i need to hang it on my wall...btw, he sings & plays as > well as he ever has!!! what a lovely man... Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:22:53 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: i as a boy NJC i've been taking all this time to read and reflect upon everything that was said about age of consent, sex with adults when you're a kid, etc.. i find that i agree mostly with paul peterson, if i understood his posts correctly. i tend to take a very relativistic view on many topics and i think that culture, history, whatever, dictate a lot of rules that are more subject to anthropological variables than to eternal truths. what i am about to write may be very shocking to some people and may earned me a reputation as a disturbed person or a degenerate. but i owe it to myself to speak up. so please be warned and decide if you want to go on reading. lucy asked about how i came to love this man (who was in his late 20's) when i was 11. my answer is that i fell in love with this man the same way as i fell in love with all the other men in my life. he was extremely handsome and i not only pined for him but also had the most acute awareness that i wanted to be his lover. i have never thought much about sex. to me the big issue has been intimacy and what the yearning for intimacy with one particular person leads us to do. i wanted to be with this man, who happened to be my 6th grade math teacher, in the most intimate terms i could manage. that included nakedness, physical contact, kissing, sucking and fucking. cuddling, talking, sharing books, going places, sucking and fucking. learning about each other, helping each other, living together, sucking and fucking. i could go on but you get the picture. he loved me too. he was in love with me, he was attracted by my intelligence, my beauty and my courage -- i had told him how i felt. i could see his struggle and his effort never to propitiate any situation in which we could achieve the kind of intimacy i relentlessly sought. he had a girlfriend and his girlfriend understood what was going on between us: she asked me to their wedding and she seemed to know that if it hadn't been for convention, i rather than she would have been his companion. this man did his best to redirect our friendship -- it was undeniable that we could never be just teacher and student again -- to a platonic relationship, mostly based on loving me for my intellect and encouraging my academic development. whether his decision was prompted by fear, ethic, kindness or mediocrity i'll never know. i fought every one of his arguments as hard and as logically as i could, but i was doomed to lose because i was a CHILD, a person without the right to love as i wanted. i would never be so stupid as to make a generalization or attempt to change the rules of the world because of my case. but my case counts, and as it was, the loss of this man marked my soul forever in a way that was painful and permanent. i don't know what the gay community is silent about in the us. i am not totally familiar with its politics, its fears and its compromises. i don't know whether nambla is a coven of child-slayers or a bunch of utopians or a mixture of both. i only know about the way i love and the way i have loved. wally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:54:40 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: richie havens njc OH GO!!!! a mile from your house, NO excuses then! i forgot to say that i was so bold to give him my cd after telling him he was a hero of mine...to which he replied oh thank you i will have something good to listen to on the plane ride home...as i said, a really sincerely charming man... www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:03:33 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 14 On April 14 the following items were published: 1997: "My other mom's an icon" - Time Australia (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=794 2000: "On the Tube" - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (Review - Appearance) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=724 2000: "TV News Today" - MSNBC.com (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=498 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #239 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)