From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #231 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, April 11 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 231 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: pinkos, commies and faggots oh my! njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #123 [PassScribe@aol.com] Joni on Video! 100% JC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Down to you and tidbits ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Joni on Video! 100% JC ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: NJC Richard Thompson [now long] [Catherine McKay ] Re: stevie wonder njc [Randy Remote ] FROG LOAN - njc and completely stupid [Catherine McKay ] RE: Iraq's torture chamber, was List etiquette, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedi] RE: Iraq's torture chamber, was List etiquette, njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Would he eat his words? [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Today's Library Links: April 11 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:12:23 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: pinkos, commies and faggots oh my! njc > Call me an idiot, but how did this term "Pinko Commi Faggot"come to > be? OR is it seperate like Pinkos, or Commies, Or Faggots, or one word like > Suzanne had said. I was called this once while renting a movie at TLA in New > York. I dissed Kylie Minogue and the guy behind the counter called me a > Pinkos Commie. > Blair > > > > > > > >strongly put though not very original. maybe you should let your ass be > >ripped open by the school-of-the-americas, CIA funded military that raped > >so > >many pinko commie faggots in my country during the 70's to understand > >pinkos, commies and faggots. maybe you've been sitting on your opinions for > >too long and a good, sustained, energetic plunge into the hole where your > >head seems to be -- to the rhythm of your favorite sousa march -- may > >unclog > >your arteries for a while. > >wallyK > > > > > > >- -----Original Message----- > > >From: Suzanne MarcAurele [mailto:smarcaurele@digitalproquo.com] > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 7:24 PM > > >To: theodore > > >Subject: RE: UN Reports Congo Killing Spree - 966 Killed & Yet the > > >Anti-American Smear Campaign Goes On Unabated-NJC > > > > > I wish all pinko > > >commie > > >faggots would spend the rest of their lives in real humanitarian work in > > >the > > >midst of those hell hole macho paradises and when their assholes get > > >sore > > >from dysentery or bending over too much not only will they beg to come > > >home > > >to this great country but they may go straight and learn what life > > >really is > > >all about > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:14:19 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: pinkos, commies and faggots oh my! njc > Call me an idiot, but how did this term "Pinko Commi Faggot"come to > be? I don't know, but George Carlin used a version of the phrase on his very funny comedy album "FM & AM," which was popular in the 70s. He asked what a "pinko-Commie-fag" might sound like, then lisped "Workers of the world unite." Lori, whose email program is misbehaving ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:30:54 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Iraq's torture chamber, was List etiquette, njc Suzanne wrote: > I wish all pinko commie faggots would spend the rest of >their lives in real humanitarian work in the midst of those >hell hole macho paradises and when their assholes get sore >from dysentery or bending over too much not only will they >beg to come home to this great country but they may go >straight and learn what life really is all about And Jim followed with: >I hate to interrupt the JMDL'es recent debate on molesting >children, advice on the supposed benefit of sodomy, and the >relative sizes of body parts. It's all very objectionable to >me and strains the very outer boundaries of NJC but it's also >beside the point. All I can say is . . . UH! - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:34:46 -0400 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: music our parents played -- NJC And yet Johnny's coming out, in a small article in Us magazine, was met with a whimper, not shock. I remember it not at all causing a stir in the press. Celebrities finally caught on that coming out on one's own was not big news at all. It is when others drag them out kicking and screaming, such as George Michael, that it gets covered. Similarly, Joni (and others, like Roseanne) caused headlines about their out of wedlock births. No one wrote about Mary Travers, who had a child out of wedlock long before either of theirs. She never his the fact, so it was never news. Jerry - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Murphycopy@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 6:12 PM To: Susan Guzzi; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: music our parents played -- NJC Regarding her mother and Johnny Mathis, Susan writes: > Imagine her devastation when he came out of the Closet! > HAH HAH! I remember how shocked -- SHOCKED! -- a friend's mother was when Liberace died and it was reported in the media that he was gay. The candelabra, the jewelry, the full-length furs, the gentleman escorting him to the halls (and later suing for palimony) . . . what more could the man have done to encourage people suspect that he might be gay (although he always denied it)? - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:42:33 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Richard Thompson [now long] In a message dated 10/04/2003 20:08:24 GMT Daylight Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: << And he's touring this time with a band, which is unusual. It's hard to grasp his immense appeal until you've seen him in person. >> This is a very good point Debra, which I'd never really thought of, despite having been listening to him for so long. In a way he's like a great jazz musician: you can listen to the recordings and think they're great, even love them - but then you go to the gig and see him without a safety net, playing solos that (to my ears) are *always* bettter than the ones on the records; not to mention you never know which song he's going to play next. And then there's his bone-dry repartee in between songs, He used not to say so much between songs when I first started going to his concerts in the mid 80s, but now he's a regular stand-up comedian. << This is one of my favorite questions, Chris! I suggest getting RT's live cds first, all of which are available only at the website you mentioned -- http://www.richardthompson-music.com. >> Personally, I would take a different approach. I like to hear the studio versions first, and get to know the songs, and *then* hear the live versions, which can be an enhanced experience, especially when he's tearing into a guitar solo. If you hear the live versions first, the studio takes might seem like a let-down! But hey, you'll know which is most likely to work for you, Chris. << For studio cds, after Mock Tudor, I'd recommend "You? Me? Us?" [...] It doesn't get highest ratings from the RT list, which like the Joni list consists of many people who've been fans for 30 or more years, so their take on things isn't the same as what I've discovered in the last three years of intense RT fanhood. (Many of them complain about Mitchell Froom's production, for example, and that sound doesn't bother me.) >> Hear hear! This is one of his best albums, with some of his very greatest songs (Woods of Darney, Cold Kisses, Dark Hand Over My Heart - do these titles give any hint of what a cheery fellow he is??). As far as Mitchell Froom is concerned, there is one album where I hate his sound, but it's not this one, but Mirror Blue, which I'd strongly recommend you put very near the bottom of your list. << For now, I'd also suggest staying away from the Richard and Linda cds. >> Ah, I beg to differ! ["ME, ME, LISTEN TO ME, CHRIS, DON'T LISTEN TO DEBRA..." ;-) ] I think I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight would be a great place to start, certainly from the point of view of songwriting and guitar playing, not to mention hearing Linda's voice at its zenith (they share the lead vocals more or less equally). I'd concede that his own singing wasn't that great then, though - it improves with each passing year. So if you buy You?Me?Us? AND I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight you're covered! I agree that Watching The Dark is a treat for someone who *knows* s/he's a fan rather than someone on a dipping-a-toe-in-the-water exercise. And yea verily, Fairport Convention must be sampled too, and you get the bonus of Sandy Denny's exquisite voice and songs too. A couple that Debra didn't mention and of which I'm very fond: Hand Of Kindness, his first post-Linda set, with a vintage band and toe-tappers like Tear Stained Letter and The Wrong Heartbeat; and Rumor And Sigh, the closest thing he's had to a hit album - it's got a couple of novelty songs that you won't need to hear more than once, but also some stunningly great and very varied ones. << The drummer is Michael Jerome, who I first saw at the "1,000 Years of Popular Music" shows RT did in NYC in July (cd of that expected soon on RT's website -- probably another "must have"). Fantastic drummer! His skill is similar to RT's complex guitar playing in the way he throws in all sorts of unexpected unusual sounds and rhythms in addition to the straight ahead ones. >> Believe it or not, for this tour he's found *another* superb young Texan drummer, whose name escapes me. Erm, does this help, Chris?? Azeem in London NP: RT of course - My Daddy Is A Mummy (yeah another novelty song, but one of his more likeable ones!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 23:45:05 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: AWOHAM, Blue Tapestry, Carey, Norah... Hi folks, Been real busy and my connection was kind of blinking on and off so I've just been catching up with the list. There have been so many posts! A big HI to all the new listers btw. A good friend of mine (you know who you are) brought down AWOHAM on the weekend. I was mesmerized. Can't believe THOSL wasn't mentioned but her performance of 'Blue' was amazing. I never realised Joni performed 'Woodstock' the day after she wrote it. Sounded good on the upright too. She never stops amazing me. I went to 'Blue Tapestry' last night in Tunbridge Wells. I would have arranged to meet up with who ever of you went but my modem wouldn't have it! I saw them about a year ago where I live and was stunned, but last night was even better! They are a really tight band and add all their own touches to the songs. I think my fave was 'This Flight Tonight', it really rocked! Nothing from THOSL this time but they did 'Chinese Cafe' which was unexpected. Someone asked the other day what chart position the single 'Carey' got to. Well 'The Great Rock Discography' lists it reaching # 93 in the USA and not charting at all in the UK! Very disappointing considering it must be one of her most catchiest songs. Leave Norah alone! No she didn't deserve all those Grammies but it's an excellent debut which is consistently good all the way through. I love it. I'd rather her album be at # 1 than Shania or Celine. Let's face it, not much good credible music does that well in the charts these days. 'Stryngs' album is captivatingly brilliant. If you like clever, original, emotional music and lyrics (obviously you do) then you will like this. I wish them every success. I didn't know it has been 5 years since Lauras passing. I had been playing Laura all evening. Her music is forever in my soul. Obviously people will disagree about things, but there are ways of doing things. Shame about some of the bad feelings but great to see so many posts. Let's all be 'Good Friends'. Steve T NP: Madeline Milla ~ 'Sympathy' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:51:21 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: NJC Richard Thompson [now long] << For now, I'd also suggest staying away from the Richard and Linda cds. >> Ah, I beg to differ! ["ME, ME, LISTEN TO ME, CHRIS, DON'T LISTEN TO DEBRA..." ;-) ] I think I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight would be a great place to start, certainly from the point of view of songwriting and guitar playing, not to mention hearing Linda's voice at its zenith (they share the lead vocals more or less equally). I'd concede that his own singing wasn't that great then, though - it improves with each passing year. So if you buy You?Me?Us? AND I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight you're covered! A BIG Me Too!!! I love this album(IWtStBLT)...I had the opportunity to see Richard Thompson in an instore performance once at my music store, performing solo and it was quite magical. I of course got him to sign my guitar strap which has several cool signatures on it now, though the last time it got signed was at PAZ spring fest in Pensacola... Victor NP: "September Bride" from the now mastered reference copy PS. Thanks for all the orders that have come in!!! Victor Johnson waytoblu@mindspring.com Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" this spring! Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:25:44 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: RichardThompson NJC [short] In a message dated 10/04/2003 20:17:19 GMT Daylight Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: << Oh, yes, he RULES! "Beat the Retreat" is the U.S. tribute album from 1994. My brother-in-law had purchased it back then because David Byrne does one of the songs, and he recently gave it to me, which was a thrill since it's long out of print. >> It is great, and frustratingly hard to buy if you're looking for it now. There is another terrific RT tribute album, called The World Is A Wonderful Place, mostly featuring UK artistes (Victoria Williams, Marvin Etzioni and Peter Blegvad are the non-Brits). I don't know, but I'd imagine you might have to scour second-hand shops for this one too. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:41:18 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Iraq's torture chamber, was List etiquette, njc Whoa! I redirected attention to liberated Iraqis. I don't understand or agree with anything that Suzanne wrote. I tuned out when I read "pinko commie faggots". Okay? I was not following her lead. There's a huge difference between what I said and what she said. Thanks. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:53:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "walterphil" Subject: stevie wonder if anyone is still interested the stevie wonder story goes like this from the early sixties till around 1972 he had at least a dozen big hits in the motown tradition then he release an album in 1972 called "music of my mind" and while not entiely successful pointed the direction stevie was going then BAM "talking book"-'72-A+++ great album all the way thru every track a gem highlights: sunshine of my life blame it on the sun tuesday heartbreak (wow) superstition & maybe your baby (especially) "innervisions"-'73-A absolutely flawless. this is music that makes you believe in faith. highlights include: living in the city golden lady and don't you worry bout a thing "fulfilingness' first finale"-'74-A- superb highlights are: you haven't done nothin & boogie on reggae woman "songs in the key of life"-'76-A+++ such wit and variety-enough for 2 albums. (which it was) sir duke isn't she lovely love's in need of love today have a talk with God and many more i would compare these 4 lps to jonis' blue-roses-court-and hissing periods. and they are just as good. give em a listen, you'll see. if you want i'll continue. he's made so many great albums (but these 4 are where you start) xxx walt The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:16:21 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #123 Hey, Les I had a problem with my server (preferences went off so my e-mail that I opened and thought I was saving to read "later" was lost). Any chance of re-sending me the Loni Digest #124 & 125? If possible, thanks! Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:21:37 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni on Video! 100% JC "Joni Mitchell: A Woman Of Heart and Mind" is available on NTSC VHS or DVD from WNET in New York. From the USA and Canada, you can call 1-800-336-1917. "Painting With Words and Music" is available on DVD and NTSC-VHS (in the USA at least). Try www.amazon.com I don't know if it is free of region coding. Perhaps best of all, "Shadows and Light" is available on DVD from a reputable guy in Hong Kong, via eBay auctions. This one is advertised as being free of region coding. It plays fine here in the US and includes stuff left off the 60 minute version sold on VHS here twenty years ago. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:33:56 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Down to you and tidbits Some newbie/lurker said, >>I remember thinking that it made her more human and down to earth by that faux pax. Instead of some larger than life object of worship.>> Welcome to the JMDL. What kind of name is "Pez"? About your post, yep. I noted this from the Cowboy Junkies' Margo Timmins. At the end of the night, every night, she introduces each member of the band. She always finishes with Michael, because he does the writing so he gets a big hand. Then she slides her own name in just before they kick off the last song: "I'm Margo Timmins and we're the Cowboy Junkies. Thanks for coming out!" The last time I saw them in Chicago, Margo, who has a terrible memory, finished with: "I'm the Cowboy Junkies. We're........... uh..........." By then it was too late. The whole place was in stitches and her brothers rescued her by kicking off the last song. I felt like, "Close enough, Margo. We love you." We all did. I love that girl. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:36:32 -0400 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: Joni on Video! 100% JC I second Jim's S&L recommendation on dvd. It is true 5.1 dvd, not inferior VCD like many that come from Asia. A must for every Joni fan. Jerry - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:22 PM To: _JMDL Subject: Joni on Video! 100% JC "Joni Mitchell: A Woman Of Heart and Mind" is available on NTSC VHS or DVD from WNET in New York. From the USA and Canada, you can call 1-800-336-1917. "Painting With Words and Music" is available on DVD and NTSC-VHS (in the USA at least). Try www.amazon.com I don't know if it is free of region coding. Perhaps best of all, "Shadows and Light" is available on DVD from a reputable guy in Hong Kong, via eBay auctions. This one is advertised as being free of region coding. It plays fine here in the US and includes stuff left off the 60 minute version sold on VHS here twenty years ago. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:48:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Richard Thompson [now long] --- dsk wrote, of Richard Thompson: > the cd I still like > the best is "Celtschmerz"... I would buy it for the name alone - ya gotta love that! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:00:11 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: The hissing Before the water shortage in LA, many, many people from middle class and up had lawn sprinklers. (Dunno if it still goes on. I haven't been there since 1969. Hint!) I guess the natural vegatation in some areas is basically scrubbrush cause it's so very dry. Some people had whole front yards of clover instead of grass cause it's more resistant to dry conditions. Immigrants from back east wanted grass, as G*d intended, so they put in sprinklers. So, yeah, when the timer kicks in, the lawn springs to life. A dozen sprinkler heads pop up out of their silos, dousing the grass and sssssssssetting the sssssssssssssssssssssssssscene with the hissssssssssing of (well you know). ***** More? A few years ago, there was a tribute concert to Joni in NYC somewhere nicknamed "Joni's Jazz". If I recall correctly, Chaka Khan spilled the inside inspiration behind the song. One of our JMDLers was watching Joni as Chaka revealed to all of New York which Los Angelino owned the immortalized "Lawns" and inspired the lyric. Joni was waving her arms, hoping to urge Chaka to keep the secret. It's available on cassette from me. Lama Andrew asked, >>> Well, what about the Hissing of Summer Lawns. What is hissing? Is it lawnmowers? Is it sprinkler systems? Is it the lurking snakes of desire and discontent, slithering through the manicured lawns of Pretense, Iowa?>> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:03:23 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: stevie wonder njc walterphil wrote: > if anyone is still interested > the stevie wonder story goes like this > "innervisions"-'73-A > absolutely flawless. I love this one, too. Plus he played most of the instruments including drums and was a synth bass pioneer. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:13:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: FROG LOAN - njc and completely stupid FROG LOAN A frog goes into a bank and approaches the teller. He can see from her nameplate that her name is Patricia Whack. "Miss Whack, I'd like to get a $30,000 loan to take a holiday." Patty looks at the frog in disbelief and asks his name. The frog says his name is Kermit Jagger, his dad is Mick Jagger, and that it's okay, he knows the bank manager. Patty explains that he will need to secure the loan with some collateral. The frog says, "Sure. I have this," and produces a tiny porcelain elephant, about half an inch tall - - bright pink and perfectly formed. Very confused, Patty explains that she'll have to consult with the bank manager and disappears into a back office. She finds the manager and says, "There's a frog called Kermit Jagger out there who claims to know you and wants to borrow $30,000, and he wants to use this as collateral." She holds up the tiny pink elephant. "I mean, what in the world is this?" (you're gonna love this) (its a real treat) (masterpiece) (wait for it) The bank manager looks back at her and says... "It's a knickknack, Patty Whack. Give the frog a loan. His old man's a Rolling Stone." (You're singing it, aren't you?!! - - I knew you would be.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:16:54 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: plagiarism (njc) Just to clarify, Bob M and I adore each other. Not THAT Bob M, the other Bob M. Or no, actually I adore BOTH Bob M's... Oh now I'm confused :-) and I live in constant fear the other Bob M will actually discover my address LOL! But then he could kill me by doing his JM does JM impressions - ok I'm really laughing now - you all just have to come to JoniFest to hear this - you'll never be the same, really! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:41:44 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: Annie Lennox! - with itty bitty Joni content Well, I have to side with Ms Guzzi on Annie Lennox's current tour ... Annie was spectacular! I definitely put it up there with my 5 best concerts. If you have a chance to see her on tour this year then please do. You won't be disappointed. On the inside of the $25.00 program, Annie has a page where she lists "Music makers who really got to me big time" and the first name listed is Joni Mitchell. There are a host of other names and at the bottom she states "the list is endless ... gracias a dios, without whom life would have been so different". Isn't that the truth? Okay, Joni Only's can delete now (if you haven't done so already). Annie is a commensurate performer who never lets her audience down for one second. As Susan reported earlier, Annie is in true command of the stage and so professional and relaxed. When she performed "No More I Love You's" you could almost hear a pin drop due to the silence of the crowd. A very moving performance! The Wilbur theater in Boston is a smallish venue which did give one the feeling of having a personal encounter with Annie (more on that later). I was surprised to learn that this is her first solo tour. She belted out many of her tunes which were emotion packed ... Would I Lie To You, Sisters Are Doin' It For Themselves, Who's That Girl, Sweet Dreams, Why, Legend in My Living Room, etc. She finished the evening with to encores. I did notice that the keyboard player's name was Alan Wakeman ... wonder if he's Rick Wakeman's son (??) I went to this concert with my sister and her companion Lori. We were kind of hanging around afterward this stupendous performance and I said "let's just hang around and see if Annie comes out. Maybe, just maybe, we'll get an autograph." They agreed ... kind of reluctantly because it was freezing outside. We were kind of dreaming up what we might say to her per chance encounter ... "Annie, we're just sistahs doin' it for ourseleves! Really, we're sistahs!" After standing in the cold by the stage door for what seemed like forever, my sister says she'll pull the car around so we won't have to wait in the cold. Lori goes with her. There I am alone when these two women come around the corner of the building flinging their arms in the air screaming at me "hurry! she's over there! ahhhhh!" So I haul ass around the corner of the building just in time to get Annie's autograph. "Good luck with the rest of your tour" was all I could blurt out in winded breath. She replies, "thank you dear" and signs my program. My Annie Lennox evening was complete. Thanks for letting me share. It's fulfilling, in a sense, seeing performers you admire. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 23:43:08 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: BM channels JM!!!! (njc) oh the too utterly divine JM!!!!! but it's not JM as in JM. It's the OTHER JM. oh well, only jonifesters will know... wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:43:01 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Iraq's torture chamber, was List etiquette, njc Listen, I'm not attacking you as a person, okay? Hell I like your humor most days. It's just that everyone's entitled to voice their opinion and mine's as valuable (valueless?) as anyone else's. To me, there's a difference between posting about a distasteful topic like the war in Iraq and posting about a distasteful topic (to me) like sodomy. The difference is that the former is about "the life and times of Joni Mitchell". That's my opinion and I know that lots of people disagree with me. I'm not expecting you to cower because of one post from me that disagrees with you. I wouldn't. Part of being outrageous is taking a little bit of heat once in a while. I take heat for being outspoken all the time, like I did recently when I opted out of Michael Moore's new film. I'm not mad at you but I'm not apologizing either. Is that fair? As our president Bush says, "We disagree. That's fine. We disagree but with respect for each other." Lama PS, I didn't vote for him. > From: Wally Kairuz > oh yes, a torture chamber is well within the njc boundaries. > thanks for the > sights. Lama said, > I hate to interrupt the JMDL'es recent debate on molesting > children, advice > on the supposed benefit of sodomy, and the relative sizes of body parts. > It's all very objectionable to me and strains the very outer boundaries of > NJC but it's also beside the point. > > This week, Iraqi residents took the press on a guided tour of a torture > chamber. If you want to read about what the Brits and the USA > helped to put > a stop to, go the CNN web page: > http://tinyurl.com/952k ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 23:48:52 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Iraq's torture chamber, was List etiquette, njc totally. it's my style too. wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu [mailto:jlamadoo@fuse.net] Enviado el: Jueves, 10 de Abril de 2003 11:43 p.m. Para: _JMDL; Wally Kairuz Asunto: RE: Iraq's torture chamber, was List etiquette, njc I'm not mad at you but I'm not apologizing either. Is that fair? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:04:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Annie Lennox! - with itty bitty Joni content njc really now Coooooooool Heather - I am so jealous! I am so glad you got to see this and its nice to hear you had a similar experience. I had pipe dreams of her doing "Ladies of the Canyon" and probaby would have dropped had she done it, but as you know there's not much to be disappointed about here. Seems she knew what she was doing with the venues she chose - being so intimate and cozy too. So happy you had such a wonderful experience - afterall- Would I lie to You!? LOL! Take care and Peace, Susan NP: Joni and that song about the Hissing - --- Heather wrote: > Well, I have to side with Ms Guzzi on Annie Lennox's current tour ... Annie > was spectacular! I definitely put it up there with my 5 best concerts. If > you have a chance to see her on tour this year then please do. You won't be > disappointed. > > On the inside of the $25.00 program, Annie has a page where she lists "Music > makers who really got to me big time" and the first name listed is Joni > Mitchell. There are a host of other names and at the bottom she states "the > list is endless ... gracias a dios, without whom life would have been so > different". Isn't that the truth? > > Okay, Joni Only's can delete now (if you haven't done so already). > > Annie is a commensurate performer who never lets her audience down for one > second. As Susan reported earlier, Annie is in true command of the stage > and so professional and relaxed. When she performed "No More I Love You's" > you could almost hear a pin drop due to the silence of the crowd. A very > moving performance! The Wilbur theater in Boston is a smallish venue which > did give one the feeling of having a personal encounter with Annie (more on > that later). I was surprised to learn that this is her first solo tour. > She belted out many of her tunes which were emotion packed ... Would I Lie > To You, Sisters Are Doin' It For Themselves, Who's That Girl, Sweet Dreams, > Why, Legend in My Living Room, etc. She finished the evening with to > encores. I did notice that the keyboard player's name was Alan Wakeman ... > wonder if he's Rick Wakeman's son (??) > > I went to this concert with my sister and her companion Lori. We were kind > of hanging around afterward this stupendous performance and I said "let's > just hang around and see if Annie comes out. Maybe, just maybe, we'll get an > autograph." They agreed ... kind of reluctantly because it was freezing > outside. We were kind of dreaming up what we might say to her per chance > encounter ... "Annie, we're just sistahs doin' it for ourseleves! Really, > we're sistahs!" After standing in the cold by the stage door for what > seemed like forever, my sister says she'll pull the car around so we won't > have to wait in the cold. Lori goes with her. There I am alone when these > two women come around the corner of the building flinging their arms in the > air screaming at me "hurry! she's over there! ahhhhh!" So I haul ass > around the corner of the building just in time to get Annie's autograph. > "Good luck with the rest of your tour" was all I could blurt out in winded > breath. She replies, "thank you dear" and signs my program. My Annie > Lennox evening was complete. > Thanks for letting me share. It's fulfilling, in a sense, seeing performers > you admire. > > Heather Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:12:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: Annie Lennox! - with itty bitty Joni content Go to this concert if at all possible, people. She is supreme - and funnier than you'd imagine... At one point she mocked the Canadian accent at the Toronto show I was at, recounting how she got stuck in a "lift" for 45 minutes the last time she was in Toronto - "What do you call a lift in Canada? An escalator? No, no, no - an elevator! [Cue Canadian accent] So, yeah, I was in the elevaterrrr..." It will be on the DVD, which was being filmed the night I was there. And the singing - oh my the singing! Her new compositions are incredible - sad but uplifting at the same time, which is typical Lennoxa. Go to the concert. Buy the album ("Bare") when it comes out in June. Trust me on this. - -Andrew PS: Most shows are sold out, unfortunately. Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 00:08:18 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re. Refuge Well, Bob I saw the "Wild Things Run Fast" Tour in Houston. A good friend of mine who bartended at a place called La Carafe in downtown Houston bought me and other friends tickets to celebrate my Birthday. Well, at the time every one had to take their pills and powders to go to any event, my favorite was window pain. I remember being 4th row left center isle. When we walked in she was already playing I believe "Free Man in Paris,' She did not look amused at our entrance. To compound matters two of my friends gay girl friends nabbed on to us in the lobby and knew we were right up front so they asked us to take their camera to take photos, no passes needed back then, so I shot one 36 roll fast, I went right up to Joni and took a shot and she then smiled as if to say I was almost forgiven for the rude entrance. I remember her wearing this middle eastern gauze Black and white dress below the knees with tights that were white and cut off at the ankles, for a moment I thought she was heading the way of Cat Stevens. I think she had her hair bleached out the lightest I had ever seen it. Larry had on a black sleeves T-shirt. She started on the guitar for a long period then moved to sit and play the dulcimer for two or three songs then the piano and back to guitar after the intermission. There were no known mistakes except for me being such a mess. The thing I remember most was when she closed the show with "I Heard It Through The Grapevine" the first I ever heard her do Marvin Gaye, and it truly was divine, I peaked went to the lobby bought the poster print of the Tour of her smoking the brown cigg. and the white sleeveless T=shirt with her picture in pink and red, the band is wearing it on the Refuge video. The picture still hangs in my kitchen, Jimmy has a picture of him and me under it on Christmas of 98. I hope this helps. By the way I never saw those girls again so I never got to see the photos, Peace, Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 00:34:34 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Iraq's torture chamber, was List etiquette?now with Sodomy content/NJC In a message dated 4/10/2003 10:45:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > To me, there's a difference between posting about a distasteful topic like > the war in Iraq and posting about a distasteful topic (to me) like sodomy. > When I switched from Joni-only status, I wanted to be included on all this njc conversation. Somehow, I totally missed the sodomy thread! :-( How'd that happen? Seriously, though, I notice that sometimes there are responses to posts that I never recieved in the first place. Does this happen to anyone else? I really hate to be left out in the cold, especially where sodomy is concerned. Sitting on my groceries, Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:49:54 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: missing digests At 4/10/2003 07:16 PM, PassScribe@aol.com wrote: >I had a problem with my server (preferences went off so my e-mail that I >opened and thought I was saving to read "later" was lost). Any chance of >re-sending me the Loni Digest #124 & 125? Kenny et al - I've contacted the list master of the Loni Anderson discussion list and he said he'll get back to you soon on those digests. Here's a link for you in the meantime: http://conterra.com/bookter/loni/loni.htm . I believe this is the first mention of Loni in the history of the JMDL. Just funnin' with ya Kenny! All digests can be found here http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni and are archived immediately upon release. In case you forget the link, just look in the header of every single mesage you get from the JMDL... the link will be there for you. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 02:04:17 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Would he eat his words? Looking through the list of articles on jmdl.com, I found this, published in a major paper in late 1976. I wonder what the critic would say about Hejira now. "Hejira" lacks the consistency and, most importantly, the discovery of her best work. Can you believe it? Hejira, the most magnificent portrait of discovery ever in popular music. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 02:24:14 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 11 On April 11 the following items were published: 1998: "Little Green a Little Blue" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=109 2000: "If I Can Make It There..." - KINK102FM.com (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=501 2000: "Joni and the Wail" - Entertainment Weekly Online (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=701 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #231 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)