From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #230 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 10 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 230 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: another work dilemma NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: wired in the produce aisle njc ["hell" ] Re: Sisters of Divine Ya-Ya ( NJC) [colin ] Brilliant Blue Tapestry [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Laura Nyro's passing njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Laura Nyro's passing njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: wired in the produce aisle njc [Catherine McKay ] The hissing [Little Bird ] T'log Bog ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: T'log Bog [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: amazing lou reed new york story - njc [colin ] Re: T'log Bog ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: pinkos, commies and faggots oh my! njc [colin ] Re: amazing lou reed new york story - njc and very long [Murphycopy@aol.c] Fwd: The hissing [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: "No color, no constrast..." [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song [Murphycopy@] Re: T'log Bog NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: "No color, no constrast..." [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: T'log Bog [KJHSF@aol.com] april 10 indeed (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song [Murphycopy@] Re: april 10 indeed (njc) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: another work dilemma NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: april 10 indeed (njc) [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: [NortheastJonifest] applications accepted now ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: pinkos, commies and faggots oh my! njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: RichardThompson NJC [short] [dsk ] Re: The hissing ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: pinkos, commies and faggots oh my! njc ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: PazFest Available on CD Baby [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Anne's plagiarism -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: music our parents played [Susan Guzzi ] Re: "No color, no constrast..." [Randy Remote ] Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song [anne@sandst] Re: music our parents played -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:17:04 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: another work dilemma NJC Am I the only person who has green parrots flying past the home office window? You guys don't know what you're missing when these brilliantly coloured birds fly past. One of the benefits of working at home. The downside is moving all the dictionaries when we have guests for supper (my office table doubles as our dining table). Luckily we have few friends... mike in bcn np Remain in Light - Talking Heads ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:27:49 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: wired in the produce aisle njc Catherine wrote: > I know what you mean. I work for the government. They > had these written guidelines too about how many square > feet you could have depending on your classification; > they also had rules about who could have real wooden > furniture and who got the cheaper stuff. They don't > adhere to that so much now - nowadays they squish as > many bodies as they possibly can into as small a space > as they can (cube farms) and they're constantly moving > people around and reorganizing all over the place. That sounds familiar! I also work for the government - but it's local government so it's not quite as bad. Bad, but not AS bad (and I've worked for a national government department as well, god help me)! The powers that be are forever deciding that our office cubicles need rearranging to keep us awake (I guess moving the spinny wheel thing in the hamster's cage would amount to the same thing). The desks are separated by a number of screens or partitions, that fit together like jigsaw pieces. We have a resident "builder" who takes care of their repositioning. Anyway, a few months ago, we had yet another big reorganisation, and I was being moved out of my beloved office (damn it!) into the dreaded "open plan" area. While cleaning out behind a bookcase, I found a set of floor plans dated about five years previously. When I showed them to our builder, he burst out laughing. They were almost exactly the same as the "new" plans he'd been given for the area I'm now in, and the section moving into their "new area" this time were the same ones that were moved out last time! So we've finally come full circle - true bureaucracy at work! Or imagine a really, really slow game of musical chairs, but there's a chair for everyone, so it never ends! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:13:16 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Sisters of Divine Ya-Ya ( NJC) Toni Remmers wrote: > >Normally, I am a harsh movie critic. I don't get sucked into a movie very >easily unless it's really real, but I was surprised when I "broke down" and >rented this movie, after seeing some negative reviews, that I really bonded >with this movie. Basically, I identified with the nervous breakdown part, it >seemed horrifyingly familiar, so maybe it was like watching a train wreck. I >just couldn't help but watch it and it must have skewered my usual critical >eye. I guess it helps to have had a nervous breakdown to appreciate it, but I >wouldn't recommend that either! > Not really. i havehad more than one and still this film didn't really tuch me. It was not well done, i think. There was not enough explanation.There seemd to be an implication that it was some drug she was presscribed which caused the breakdown(the scene where the dr cursed another dr for prescribing them). It seemd the woman was an alchohlic ,which would have brought on the mental problems. All in all,i felt they didn't give enough detail, just snippets and it was hard to feel for any of them. It was rather too simple and trouble free to get from the estrangement to 'all made up'. The mothers being away in the hosptial, and the daughter not knowing that, was onyl part of the problem really, but the film seemd to thinkthis exolained everything.It didn't. I I have'nt read the book and my feeling is that the film left lots out.It felt like it was a story only partly told. It brings to mind Good Will Hunting, which was a dreadful film imo, yet got really good reviews. It too made light of soemthing evry serious and prolonged.The mesaage being a few chats and all your problems will be gone. Huh! > >Toni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 06:12:12 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Brilliant Blue Tapestry I'm so glad I managed to get to the Blue Tapestry gig last night because it was a great night's entertainment. Support act was David Hughes who I had never seen before but is an excellent singer songwriter guitarist and humourist and set the evening up well for the appearance of the main act. What strikes you about this band, as well as the huge talent of all 5 members, is their collective love for the music of Joni Mitchell and Carole King and they frequently referred to the thrill they got from performing such great songs. For this tour they have added 12 new songs to the repetoire. One of the highligts, for me, was Chris Whiles opening the second half with a beautiful rendition of Fiddle and the Drum. Tracks from Blue, C&S, Hejira, WTRF and LOTC were covered with both Martin Allcock and Pete Zorn contributing great bass on the Coyote and Black Crow in turn. Both Chris and Julie Matthews have great voices for this project. So - if you get the chance to see this band play - GO! Jacky NP David Hughes "Recognised" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 06:54:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Laura Nyro's passing njc > << From: JSerkes@aol.com > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #224 > > This is the 5th anniversery of Laura Nyro's passage. > A brilliant writer, > singer....muse. Even Joni had kudos for her. --- PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/9/03 2:17:41 AM, les@jmdl.com > writes: > > I was never a huge Laura Nyro fan until I read > her biography, "The Music > and Passion of Laura Nyro/Soul Picnic" by Michele > Kort, about eight months > ago. A FANTASTIC book, in my humble opinion. I was > so moved by her story > that I went out and bought every Laura Nyro album on > vinyl or CD (except a > few hard-to-come-by that I miraculously found at my > LIBRARY, took them home > and copied to CD). I still am not her biggest fan > but I gained a lot of > respect for her and her work since then and am > richer for the experience. > If anyone would like to read about a true, > passionate artist/musician, I > highly recommend this book from 2002. > Synchronicity. I just finished reading this book about two days ago. Someone, maybe it was Jody (who, by the way, is credited in the book - so you must be A BIG fan!), mentioned it a while back and I put a hold on it at the library. What a funny person Laura was - she sounds like someone I would have wanted to meet. Like you, Kenny, I'm not a huge fan - I have her double CD, "The best of... Stoned Soul Picnic" and some stuff I've downloaded from Kazaa and so on. It's not easy to find her albums anywhere these days, unfortunately. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 07:11:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Laura Nyro's passing njc --- Catherine McKay wrote: > It's not easy > to > find her albums anywhere these days, unfortunately. - - Hi, Catherine. How are you? - - Fine, how are you. - - Good. OK enough of that. I just checked out amazon.com where they have tons of Laura stuff - remastered Eli and NY Tendaberry and also Season of Light (import, much dinero) and what looks to be every Nyro recording ever made. Things have changed for the better since the last time, at least two years ago, I checked. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 07:20:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: wired in the produce aisle njc --- hell wrote: So > we've finally come full circle - true bureaucracy at > work! Or imagine a > really, really slow game of musical chairs, but > there's a chair for > everyone, so it never ends! ...or the Mad Hatter's tea party, which is more like it (in more ways than one, because every time there's an election - everybody CHANGE!) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 07:58:37 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2003 Logo Contest Reminder Just a reminder that April 28th, the deadline for entries for the Jonifest Logo Contest is nearing. Can't wait to see the entries! In case you forgot...... All you creative people out there........get your pens, paper, pencils, watercolors, pastels, scissors, oils, acryllics, crayons, magic markers and other creative implements, and send your entries for the most WONDERFUL logo for Jonifest 2003 to: les@jmdl.com CONTEST RULES: 1) Please no copyrighted pictures/drawings. 2) Please keep the Logo simple for ease of reproduction. 3) It should include the words Jonifest 2003 somewhere in the Logo. Feel free to make up a slogan as well, if the spirit moves you. 4) Prize: My undying gratitude and the ENORMOUS prestige of having your logo used for top secret Jonifest things. As in last year, there will be a wonderful prize as well, to be given to the winner. (To be determined.) 5) All entries must be received by April 28, 2003. Everyone out in JMDL land will have a chance to vote for their favorite logo. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:43:28 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: amazing lou reed new york story - njc What a great story! It makes me miss the city even more now, but soon, I shall return. It makes me think of all the celebrity passings and almost meetings I had. WIthin days of moving to the city, I had already seen Michael Stipe, which was a thrill for me, but dared not to approach him, for he was having a conversation and I know how shy he was. A couple months later, I passed David Bowie on the street and was in shock. My heart started beating really quickly. In haste I followed him for two blocks hoping to catch up to him.. rehearsing something to say to him.. but after the second block, I thought me being out of breath would make me seem like a stalker or a loon, so I passed on it, but still to this day kick myself whenever I think of the opportunity I passed up. Then there was Adam Yauch (MCA) from the Beastie Boys, Yoko Ono in central Park, the bassist from U2, and the actress from Boys Don't Cry. Thanks for sharing that story! Blair NP: Hardtime killing floor blues--Skip James _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:50:23 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Walk Off Bob Muller confirmed > > Isn't this the infamous Boston concert during which she > > walked > > off stage? > > That's the one...our Boston Jim was there, maybe some others. She still did > 18 songs, a tad shorter than the 20-25 she did at most of the other venues. > > Can anyone shed light on why she walked off ? Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:54:57 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #124 Anne composed: > Decades fly so fast it makes us dizzy > Our children now have children of their own > Dragonflies and cartwheels fill our memories > Still we sing the songs that make us feel like home > > lots of love > Anne Well, it made me cry. I intend to add it to my version when I sing it from now on. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:55:30 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: pinkos, commies and faggots oh my! njc Call me an idiot, but how did this term "Pinko Commi Faggot"come to be? OR is it seperate like Pinkos, or Commies, Or Faggots, or one word like Suzanne had said. I was called this once while renting a movie at TLA in New York. I dissed Kylie Minogue and the guy behind the counter called me a Pinkos Commie. Blair > >strongly put though not very original. maybe you should let your ass be >ripped open by the school-of-the-americas, CIA funded military that raped >so >many pinko commie faggots in my country during the 70's to understand >pinkos, commies and faggots. maybe you've been sitting on your opinions for >too long and a good, sustained, energetic plunge into the hole where your >head seems to be -- to the rhythm of your favorite sousa march -- may >unclog >your arteries for a while. >wallyK > > > >- -----Original Message----- > >From: Suzanne MarcAurele [mailto:smarcaurele@digitalproquo.com] > >Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 7:24 PM > >To: theodore > >Subject: RE: UN Reports Congo Killing Spree - 966 Killed & Yet the > >Anti-American Smear Campaign Goes On Unabated-NJC > > > I wish all pinko > >commie > >faggots would spend the rest of their lives in real humanitarian work in > >the > >midst of those hell hole macho paradises and when their assholes get > >sore > >from dysentery or bending over too much not only will they beg to come > >home > >to this great country but they may go straight and learn what life > >really is > >all about _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:04:05 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: pinkos, commies and faggots oh my! njc Blair Fraipont wrote: > I was called this once while renting a movie at TLA in New York. I > dissed Kylie Minogue and the guy behind the counter called me a Pinkos > Commie. > Blair I am surprised you were not shot on the spot..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:14:34 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: pinkos, commies and faggots oh my! njc Are there people who think she is good? I just think of her as this wanna be diva. I suppose elsewhere in the world she has had more hits, those I am unaware of. Her voice just doesnt do anything for me.. sort of stale. Blair :) > > >Blair Fraipont wrote: > >>I was called this once while renting a movie at TLA in New York. I dissed >>Kylie Minogue and the guy behind the counter called me a Pinkos Commie. >> Blair > >I am surprised you were not shot on the spot..... > >> >>> > > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:17:55 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: JT and JM Bobs Art said: Still, I wonder about the line "crown and anchor me, or let me sail away ?" Well maybe she's just kind of thinking to herself - these are my choices as I see it as opposed to asking Graham to choose. Or perhaps that was the phase she went through before deciding to make the decision for herself. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:08:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Little Bird Subject: The hissing I remember being puzzled by the title "The Silence of the Lambs" when I saw the film. Why were they silent? In the film Jodie Foster's character explains that they were silenced in the slaughter house, which she witnessed - a traumatic experience from her childhood. Well, what about the Hissing of Summer Lawns. What is hissing? Is it lawnmowers? Is it sprinkler systems? Is it the lurking snakes of desire and discontent, slithering through the manicured lawns of Pretense, Iowa? Thoughts please. - -Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:32:42 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: T'log Bog Bob M said: I tend to get really bogged down listening to T'log all the way through> Well the T'log Bog is like a wilderland, stepping stones or sinking sand. This is NOT a criticism but there have been a lot of comments about the length of T'log, it feels like work, etc. And as usual Joan has a remark: Land of snap decisions Land of short attention spans Nothing is savored Long enough to really understand In every culture in decline The watchful ones among the slaves Know all that is genuine will be Scorned and conned and cast away Just some food for thought. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:42:59 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: T'log Bog But you see, I absolutely ABHOR this logic that says if I don't like something, than something's wrong with me. This would especially ring false with an artist that I adore as I do Joni. > Land of short attention spans laughable when you consider that less than a month ago I sat for over TWELVE hours without a meal enthralled by her music. Bob NP: "Free Man In Paris" Red Rocks, 7/30/83 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:59:01 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: amazing lou reed new york story - njc Blair Fraipont wrote: > and the actress from Boys Don't Cry. > Hilary Swank? She was ECELLENT in that film. amazing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:12:45 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: T'log Bog > But you see, I absolutely ABHOR this logic that says if I don't like something, than something's wrong with me. This would especially ring false with an artist that I adore as I do Joni.> Bob please accept my apologies I did not intend to offend you or anyone and I don't think something's wrong with you. The lines I quoted are universal truths that I apply to myself more than anyone else. I really just thought it was something for all of us to consider in our daily lives. I wish for you only peace and blessings - you are one of the kindest and most generous people I know. Forgive me. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:01:47 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: pinkos, commies and faggots oh my! njc Blair Fraipont wrote: > Are there people who think she is good? yes. she is a 'gay icon'. > I just think of her as this wanna be diva. oh I think shes is d iva. > I suppose elsewhere in the world she has had more hits, those I am > unaware of. most definately. > Her voice just doesnt do anything for me.. sort of stale. I have nothing by her-not my thing really-except for that 'can't get you out of my head' which once heard, can't be got out of your head! > > Blair :) > > > >> >> >> Blair Fraipont wrote: >> >>> I was called this once while renting a movie at TLA in New York. I >>> dissed Kylie Minogue and the guy behind the counter called me a >>> Pinkos Commie. >>> Blair >> >> >> I am surprised you were not shot on the spot..... >> >>> >>>> >> >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:03:54 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: amazing lou reed new york story - njc and very long Patrick writes: << Plus, he seemed to be in a really bad mood, even for Lou Reed. >> Very funny! A great NY story. I just hope no one is going to pay attention to this: << I still pick up his new albums sometimes but they almost always disappoint. >> Not true! The writer seems to be stuck in Lou's Velvet Underground days in much the same way as Joni fans get stuck in her dulcimer/confessional period. Lou's albums from the 80s and 90s contain some of the best pop music writing I've ever heard and, as a Joni fan, I have very high standards. "Songs for Drella," his collaboration with John Cale, "a brief musical look at the life of Andy Warhol" will always one of my desert island picks. "New York" is great too. Lou Reed is not someone whose lunch I would want to interrupt, but he is a terrific songwriter. Here's a sample from "Drella." (Imagine that it's Andy Warhol's "voice" as you read.) THE STYLE IT TAKES You've got the money, I've got the time You want your freedom, make your freedom mine 'Cause I've got the style it takes and money is all that it takes You've got connections and I've got the art You like my attention and I like your looks and I have the style it takes and you know the people it takes Why don't you sit right over there, we'll do a movie portrait I'll turn the camera on and I won't even be there A portrait that moves, you look great I think I'll put the Empire State Building on your wall For 24 hours glowing on your wall Watch the sun rise above it in your room Wallpaper art, a great view I've got a Brillo box and I say it's art It's the same one you can buy at any supermarket 'Cause I've got the style it takes And you've got the people it takes This is a rock group called The Velvet Underground I show movies on them Do you like their sound 'Cause they have a style that grates and I have art to make Let's do a movie here next week We don't have sound but you're so great You don't have to speak You've got the style it takes (Kiss) You've got the style it takes (Eat) I've got the style it takes (Couch) We've got the style it takes (Kiss) --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:06:47 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Fwd: The hissing Return-path: From: KJHSF@aol.com Full-name: KJHSF Message-ID: <1c5.750dcd0.2bc6fded@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:03:41 EDT Subject: Re: The hissing To: littlebird3333@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain In a message dated 4/10/2003 12:09:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: > Well, what about the Hissing of Summer Lawns. What is > hissing? In any part of arid Southern California the natural terrain for much of the year is brown and dry. Yet the wealthy suburban communities (La Jolla comes to mind at the moment) are perpetually verdant. At night, sprinkler systems turn on en masse, and the hissing is obvious. I've always taken the hissing to be sprinklers, but as with most things Joni, the words do work on numerous levels. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:07:39 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "No color, no constrast..." Muller scribbled: << But I thought he was blind? What color & contrast would he have noticed? >> DOH!!! Actually, um, well . . . he's a musician, yeah, that's it! He's a musician so "color" and "contrast" have meaning to him that have notihing to do with seeing. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:10:43 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song Muller writes: << Briarose >> Good heavens, Muller! You scared me. I thought Mr. Gross had started carrying on with another JMDLer from Jersey! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:14:26 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: T'log Bog NJC In a message dated 4/10/2003 12:12:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, davidsapp@peoplepc.com writes: > I wish for you only peace and blessings - you are one of > the kindest and > most generous people I know. Forgive me. No apology needed, David...I over-reacted and certainly NEVER took it as an offense from you. Pals forever! :~) Bob NP: "For Free" 7/30/83 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:24:19 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "No color, no constrast..." In a message dated 4/10/2003 12:07:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy writes: > He's a musician so > "color" and "contrast" have meaning to him that have > nothing to do with > seeing. Or maybe he's like Stevie Wonder, and he can see when he REALLY wants to. :~) I always laughed at Robert Klein's stand-up bit about Jose Feliciano, who commented about his souled-up version of The Star Spangled Banner (ala his cover of "Light My Fire"): "He must have figured that people wouldn't kick the sh*t out of him because he was blind." Jose of course was also a back-up player for Joni on C&S. Bob NP: "A Case Of You" 7/30/83 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:26:52 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: T'log Bog In a message dated 4/10/2003 12:44:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > But you see, I absolutely ABHOR this logic that says if I don't like > something, than something's wrong with me. This would especially ring false > with an artist that I adore as I do Joni. > > Though I disagree with much of her philosophy, Ayn Rand had it right when she said "art is a response to values." This allows for there to be plenty of discussion and sharing of thought on the arts, and also for the truth that there will be many different opinions. Of course, Rand would require that each person be prepared to defend their opinion, and I'm not so sure one can offer facts when responding to music, which affects us on a more visceral level. But, with her definition of art, no one can be wrong. That said, Travelogue bores me, too. I would gladly listen to hours of re-worked Joni had it been presented differently. Her concept was to present these songs in this format, though, and it just didn't engage me. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:30:55 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: april 10 indeed (njc) Thanks to all for the birthday wishes that are still pouring in! I just had to share the best present of all with you. I was at Dana-Farber this morning for a routine blood draw. They had my lastest tumor marker number (the lower the better, anything below 35 is considered normal; a dropping or stable number is good; a rising number is bad). My number has dropped from 9 to 8!!!! (My oncologist has never seen it below 6 in anyone!) so, it's been normal since the surgery in September. Birthdays just don't get any better than this! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:33:23 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song Anne writes: << Both first lines mention decades, both second lines mention children, and both third lines mention dragonflies... Must be something to the whole collective subconscious thing... >> Yeah, right, Anne. Like we're all stupid. Does the word plagiarism mean anythinbg to you? --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:47:16 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: april 10 indeed (njc) Wonderful news..I share in your joy! Even though you are a plagiarist! ;0 (now just how did that get started?!) The happiest of b-days to you! And for the people on the list that have never heard Anne's singing voice..she sounds an awful lot like early Joni. Best to you .... Bree >Thanks to all for the birthday wishes that are still >pouring in! > >I just had to share the best present of all with you. I >was at Dana-Farber this morning for a routine blood >draw. They had my lastest tumor marker number (the >lower the better, anything below 35 is considered >normal; a dropping or stable number is good; a rising >number is bad). My number has dropped from 9 to 8!!!! >(My oncologist has never seen it below 6 in anyone!) >so, it's been normal since the surgery in September. >Birthdays just don't get any better than this! > >lots of love >Anne _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:51:39 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: another work dilemma NJC Mike writes: << Am I the only person who has green parrots flying past the home office window? >> Apparently not, if you catch my drift. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:52:58 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: april 10 indeed (njc) In a message dated 4/10/2003 1:31:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anne@sandstrom.com writes: > My number has dropped from 9 to 8!!!! > (My oncologist has never seen it below 6 in anyone!) > so, it's been normal since the surgery in September. > Birthdays just don't get any better than this! > > HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I am so cheered to hear about your good news! You are very loved! I remember very clearly when you were entering this last struggle, and now you have come through this challenge with flying colors! Wishing you only the best on your birthday and always! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:12:26 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] applications accepted now Hiya Wally! You can put me on your list! My birthday is August 8. But you won't have to e-mail it this year, you can tell me in person at Jonifest which starts that day!! Woo hoo! And thanks, for being the best birthday fairy ever. love donna >>> wallykai@fibertel.com.ar 4/10/2003 1:58:13 AM >>> my apologies to joni-onlies for this intrusion but i want this short message to reach all of you jmdlers. since the last time the JMDL BIRTHDAY FAIRY visited the list, its birthday database has become dated and VERY incomplete. if you wish to be on the birthday greeting list, please reply privately to me (i have ways to contact the BDF...). just write your name and birthday (only month and day). if you want to say hello and add something nice, you may do so too, of course. the birthday fairy WILL NOT use its excellent gift of clairvoyance to guess your birthdays, so give the poor thing a break and write. end of message. love to you all, wally - ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Think about the notes she sings during these lines: "Looking through a double glass Looking at too much pride and too much shame There's a black fly buzzing There's a heat wave burning in her master's voice The hissing of summer lawns " To me, that string of notes were written with a "jazz feel". She messes with Time on that one. I'm not a historian and I don't even know the vocabulary but it's not a melody or a phrasing you'd expect from Pete Seeger. Annie Ross, on the other hand, would nod right along. To me, this is clear proof that Jazz is among her many palettes. She uses this palette with bold brush strokes as usual; she does not "dabble" from this palette. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:58:17 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: The hissing My take on the hissing was that it was another reference to the establishment and suburbia and the well smelled baskets. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:00:55 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: pinkos, commies and faggots oh my! njc Never heard of this person Blair. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:08:49 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: NJC Richard Thompson [now long] Chris Marshall wrote: > > On the basis of > the CD, and his charismatic Joni tribute performance, I'd > recommend catching him live if you can. A big yes to that! And he's touring this time with a band, which is unusual. It's hard to grasp his immense appeal until you've seen him in person. Then you realize there are no tricks, or overdubs, or guitar manipulation on his studio cds even though it sounds like it. The band tour was recently in England, Chris, so it's too bad you missed him. I think he's planning to return after the US concerts, so keep an eye on the tour dates section of his website. If I get an early heads up from the RT list, I'll let you know. > So... longer-established fans, tell me this. Which of > his other CDs should I go and get next? This is one of my favorite questions, Chris! I suggest getting RT's live cds first, all of which are available only at the website you mentioned - -- http://www.richardthompson-music.com. Of those, the cd I still like the best is "Celtschmerz", all acoustic, with some duets with his son Teddy. It's the cd where I felt like I got to know RT. I'd purchased "Mock Tudor" the day after the Joni tribute and I'd highly recommend that cd also. It was Celtschmerz, though, that completely sealed the deal for me. There's also "Semi-detached Mock Tudor", from the Mock Tudor band tour, which has some extended impressive guitar solos. The 8-minute "Hard on Me" blows me away each time I hear it. And "Two-Letter Words" is great also; a 2-cd collection of live recordings from 1996, all with a band and higher energy than any of his studio cds. It includes some of his "classics" such as Shoot Out the Lights, Dimming of the Day, Beeswing, 1952 Vincent Black Lightning -- all fantastic songs. There are only a couple of songs on more than one of those live cds, and the three of them give an excellent "explanation" of why his fans are so enamored. For studio cds, after Mock Tudor, I'd recommend "You? Me? Us?", a 2-cd set, with one being high-voltage electric, and the other nude acoustic. It doesn't get highest ratings from the RT list, which like the Joni list consists of many people who've been fans for 30 or more years, so their take on things isn't the same as what I've discovered in the last three years of intense RT fanhood. (Many of them complain about Mitchell Froom's production, for example, and that sound doesn't bother me.) I like You? Me? Us? because it shows RT's range, going from his hard-edged masculine side to his softer and humorous, even whimsical, side. Cds I'd stay away from include the compilation called "Action Packed". I see that Kerry's recommended that and I agree with her that it's a good overview, similar to Joni's Hits, because it includes many of his best loved songs. They're all taken from his studio albums but there's something about the sound of Action Packed that bothers me. The songs are mixed differently somehow, it's hard to hear RT's voice, and the sound seems slightly higher pitched than on the original recordings. Or maybe it's just my cd since I've not read a lot of complaining about the sound. I've tried listening to Action Packed a couple of different times and just can't get through it, and MUCH prefer the live recordings and original studio versions of those same songs. For now, I'd also suggest staying away from the Richard and Linda cds. One of them, "Shoot Out the Lights", is considered one of the greats of the 80s, and it was highly recommended by the RT list fans when I asked them for recommendations. I didn't like it at first. For me, starting out and wanting to get to know RT, it felt like Linda's voice got in the way of that, so it's only now after hearing RT's live versions of many of those songs and knowing him a bit more that I can appreciate the cds he did with Linda. So my suggestion is that you save those for later. Other great cds from that time are "Pour Down Like Silver" and "I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight." There's another compilation, 3 cds, that was highly recommended by RT list fans, "Watching the Dark", so I got that one right away, too. I think, though, that it's also appreciated best by long-time fans who are familiar with his music. The songs are not arranged chronologically and it was confusing to me going, for example, from a Fairport Convention song 35 years ago to a rather recent solo one; there was no context or continuity. That wouldn't have bothered, or probably even been noticed by, anyone who'd been following his career for the last 35 years, but for me starting out it was confusing. There are some fantastic songs on that, and versions of songs that are not available anywhere else, so if you find yourself getting hooked on RT, that's a great set to have. It shows how good he's been for a very long time. And after you're thoroughly hooked, there are the early Fairport Convention cds, such as "Liege and Lief" and "Unhalfbricking". Amazing that RT was only 17 when he co-founded that group. So, if you're still reading and haven't run away with your head boggled and hurting... my quick recommendations for getting to know RT are the three live cds from his website, then Mock Tudor and You? Me? Us?, and then everything else. Debra Shea NP: RT's newest, "Old Kit Bag", with more soon to be "best loved" songs, and with a new producer, John Chelew, and a very clear, close to live, sound. Excellent!!! The drummer is Michael Jerome, who I first saw at the "1,000 Years of Popular Music" shows RT did in NYC in July (cd of that expected soon on RT's website -- probably another "must have"). Fantastic drummer! His skill is similar to RT's complex guitar playing in the way he throws in all sorts of unexpected unusual sounds and rhythms in addition to the straight ahead ones. Again, excellent!!! OK, now, even MY mind is boggled... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:19:44 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: RichardThompson NJC [short] Aerchak@aol.com wrote: > > Richard thompson rules. I would have to recommend "Beat the Retreat" (1994), > which I believe is the album he did after his divorce from his wife, Linda. > I could be wrong. They may have actually done one together during the demise > of the relationship, but I was unable to locate it amidst my collection, > which is no surprise, since it is completely disorganized. Oh, yes, he RULES! "Beat the Retreat" is the U.S. tribute album from 1994. My brother-in-law had purchased it back then because David Byrne does one of the songs, and he recently gave it to me, which was a thrill since it's long out of print. There's an excellent Bonnie Raitt version of "When the Spell is Broken" on it (... can't cry when you don't know how...), and covers by Shawn Colvin, Five Blind Boys of Alabama, Maddy Prior and others. As with hearing covers of Joni's songs, there are some "wow, that's a great song" moments on it. Yep, RT rules!!! :-) Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:44:13 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: The hissing It could be the snide hissing of gossipy men and women living in the suburbs.... The way people talk about each other in such controlled living spaces is usually not without a touch of cruelty.. BLair > >I remember being puzzled by the title "The Silence of >the Lambs" when I saw the film. Why were they silent? >In the film Jodie Foster's character explains that >they were silenced in the slaughter house, which she >witnessed - a traumatic experience from her childhood. > >Well, what about the Hissing of Summer Lawns. What is >hissing? Is it lawnmowers? Is it sprinkler systems? Is >it the lurking snakes of desire and discontent, >slithering through the manicured lawns of Pretense, >Iowa? > >Thoughts please. > >-Andrew >Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more >http://tax.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:54:52 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: pinkos, commies and faggots oh my! njc I am just curious how the saying or name/slander of "Pinkos, Commies, came together.. I assume sometime after World War II but, who coined the phrase.. from where did it start. That is all I want to know. ANd what person are you asking about? Blair :) > >Never heard of this person Blair. > >mack _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:58:18 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: PazFest Available on CD Baby As someone who owns this 2 CD set, I say there is alot to like here. Just Sue Cowsill doing "Chelsea Morning" is worth the admission price. Plus proceeds go for a truly good cause- giving medical help to the disadvantaged in Honduras. A double good feeling. I've also been listening to our own Kate Bennett's CD, "Over the Moon", chock full of original tunes, great singing and playing, and some real gems, "Wolfsong", "The Harvest", more. 4 thumbs up! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:24:47 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: PazFest Available on CD Baby In a message dated 4/10/2003 2:58:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: > As someone who owns this 2 CD set, I say there is alot to > like > here. I'll go a step further and say that there's nothing I DON'T like in this set. My fave track is the Paz-led frontal assault with Brian Stolz chiming in with a number of stinging solos...each one builds on the other...wow. Like Randy says, it's for a good cause, but over and above that, it's DAMN good product. Bob NP: Joni on WNEW-FM, January '86 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:39:19 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Anne's plagiarism -- NJC I heard from someone off list who thought I was serious when I accused Anne of plagiarism, so just to keep the record straight . . . 1) Anne is a neighbor 2) I consider her a friend 3) And I am a big fan of hers, in many ways If I ever really wanted to hurt Anne I could just walk over to her house (if she'd tell me exactly where in the next town it is) and bop her one! XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:18:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: music our parents played Hey just catching up and adding my parents musical tastes to the mix. Mostly it was my mother who played the music and I was totally indoctrinated with Johnny Mathis - in fact forget Ethel, I used to imitate him and probably learned to sing that way. Some faves there It's not For Me To Say, 12th of Never, and Misty. Imagine her devastation when he came out of the Closet! HAH HAH! Also Patsy Cline, I still remember playing "Crazy" - the 45 over and over again and looking at it spin as I hung over the Motorola console stereo. But the main female singer was Vikki Carr, "COLD! no I wont believe your heart is cold , maybe slow to warm ... blah blah blah ... and watch what happens." Also did - "With Pen in hand, The House That Jack Built." Others around the house; Dean Martin, Frankie Yankovich (accordian), OH and plenty of Connie Francis. She also dug Dinah and Brook Benton and Sarah Vaughn but they weren't as prominent till I brought them home. And of course at Christmas ... The Ray Coniff singers wooohoooo! By the way my mother HATES Joni, and hates that I love her. I remember the day she bought me Blue, she had some idea that this was going to be another Carole King, who she liked. She immediately turned on me when she heard Joni's voice, making a reeeeaally pretty face - that she's well known for making ... and we've not gotten along since! Hey I'm not complaining, I have had many wonderful years with my REAL mother - the mother of my spirit - Joni! LOL! Peace, Susan Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:51:36 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: "No color, no constrast..." Andrew- Great observations, I hadn't really thought about it that way, but I think you are on it. To expand, the direction she was headed in at the time, and exists in now, is not exactly suburbia, but the rarified mansions of the wealthy. The photos show her in a pool, and it's been said that HOSL was written or inspired by visiting the home of Jose Feliciano, himself having tasted the kind of commercial success Joni was just getting into (who knew they had both peaked Top Ten-wise by then?). These Beverly Hills/ Bel Aire homes are often in gated communities (the 'barb wire fence'), all have the 'blue pools in the squinting sun'. The opening lines describe wealth; "he gave her a diamond for her throat, he put her on a ranch house on the hill". These neighborhoods are mostly white, all rich, yards groomed, everything under control. These things it shares with middle-class suburbia. The woman Joni describes lives in a golden cage. She has some impulse to flee the deadening surroundings, but 'stays with a love of some kind,' opting for comfort over challenge, a theme Joni has written about before in songs like "For Free," "For The Roses," etc. I think partly she is warning herself about the hazards of a comfortable, insulated life, a condition she has fled from more than once. Little Bird wrote: > Well, what about the Hissing of Summer Lawns. What is > hissing? I think sprinklers. Los Angeles is a desert city. Without the Colorado River aquaducts, it wouldn't be there. To say they are hissing gives it a somewhat sinister vibe, yah? RR Little Bird wrote: > No color, no contrast... > > I wonder if it refers, in part, to the all white > suburbs of middle America at the time. It follows the > verse with the line about the barbed wire fence to > keep out the unknown. > > Granted, it's while discussing the fuzzy "tube" but > there again, it could be a reference to racism - all > white TV, which is cultural "darkness" to the mind; > the darkness of willful ignorance if you will. > > In any case, I thought it was interesting to think > about the "no color, no contrast" line as a metaphor > for all white suburbia, not a single person with a > different skin tone, not one other culture for > constrast. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:01:53 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song > Yeah, right, Anne. Like we're all stupid. Does the word > plagiarism mean anythinbg to you? (sweet voice) No, not really... Sad to say, I know the rules for melody copyright. You can have up to 7 consecutive notes the same and still be a distinct song from what you're ahem "inspired by." Not sure about lyrics... guess there are no royalty pennies headed into my piggy bank :-) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:12:00 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: music our parents played -- NJC Regarding her mother and Johnny Mathis, Susan writes: > Imagine her devastation when he came out of the Closet! > HAH HAH! I remember how shocked -- SHOCKED! -- a friend's mother was when Liberace died and it was reported in the media that he was gay. The candelabra, the jewelry, the full-length furs, the gentleman escorting him to the halls (and later suing for palimony) . . . what more could the man have done to encourage people suspect that he might be gay (although he always denied it)? - --Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #230 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)