From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #229 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 10 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 229 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Down To You on video? [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song [anne@sandst] Re: pinkos, commies and faggots oh my! njc [Michael Paz ] amazing lou reed new york story - njc and very long ["patrick leader" ] Today's Library Links: April 10 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] crowded house njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Meaning of Cohen [Rick and Susan ] april 10!!!!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] applications accepted now ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:23:24 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Down To You on video? << From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Re: Down to you I like this thread. Down to You touched me deeply in my early twenties and still feels very close to home to me now, twenty years later. There is a piano transcription in the C&S songbook, but it doesn't replicate the intricacies of Joni's fingering, rythm and melody. As far as I know, there is no piano transcription for the instrumental passage. You'd think some whip in Berkeley would have done this as part of coursework, no? Now wouldn't it be wonderful to see live footage of Joni performing Down to You? That would be something special. Does such a thing exist? I gather she didn't perform it live often. (Ever?) In reading the director's interview on the PBS- WOHAM site, I was struck by the fact that there seems to be little live Joni concert footage extant. What a shame. You don't know what you got, till it's gone, eh? Michael in Quebec. >> Hi, Michael I'm really glad to see so many other fans love this song as much as I do. I have a copy of the music of this song being sent to me and I guess I'll be happy if I can play any of it (novice that I am). But, I've been known to undertake difficult challenges before so I may just get the urge to (TRY to) figure out the fingering of the best parts and I'll let you know what happens. I've never seen any footage of Joni singing this one (my all-time favorite song by ANYBODY) so if anyone knows of such a video, I'd treat you to a pizza if you could share that with me. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 19:23:57 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song > Both of you mention dragonflies...pretty cool! Wow, how weird. Both first lines mention decades, both second lines mention children, and both third lines mention dragonflies... Must be something to the whole collective subconscious thing... and thanks for the kind words, Bob! I'm planning on doing a lyric writing workshop at JoniFest - looking forward to it (I just hope I don't have to wear my winter coat!!!! Will it EVER be spring?) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:28:18 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: pinkos, commies and faggots oh my! njc Brings a hole new meaning to "embedded journalist". Ouch, Paz > What abrilliant reply! LOL! > > Wally Kairuz wrote: > >> strongly put though not very original. maybe you should let your ass be >> ripped open by the school-of-the-americas, CIA funded military that raped so >> many pinko commie faggots in my country during the 70's to understand >> pinkos, commies and faggots. maybe you've been sitting on your opinions for >> too long and a good, sustained, energetic plunge into the hole where your >> head seems to be -- to the rhythm of your favorite sousa march -- may unclog >> your arteries for a while. >> wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:25:26 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Laura Nyro's passing In a message dated 4/9/03 2:17:41 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << From: JSerkes@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #224 This is the 5th anniversery of Laura Nyro's passage. A brilliant writer, singer....muse. Even Joni had kudos for her. That says alot. Love you Laura...Play ELI today. Nyrogrl >> I was never a huge Laura Nyro fan until I read her biography, "The Music and Passion of Laura Nyro/Soul Picnic" by Michele Kort, about eight months ago. A FANTASTIC book, in my humble opinion. I was so moved by her story that I went out and bought every Laura Nyro album on vinyl or CD (except a few hard-to-come-by that I miraculously found at my LIBRARY, took them home and copied to CD). I still am not her biggest fan but I gained a lot of respect for her and her work since then and am richer for the experience. If anyone would like to read about a true, passionate artist/musician, I highly recommend this book from 2002. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:28:06 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue/FTR; Laura Nyro << From: "walterphil" Subject: catchin up with the list first of all, joni's peere to me thet are bob dylan neil young van morrison laura nyro and (What a realizatio- someone mentioned stevie wonder! of course!!!) all these atrists wrote all of their own fantastic material, and grew by leaps and bounds, releasing classic lps often 3 and 4 in a row (ok so laura's a little shy of that last feat but she is my absolute fave) that's truly all i would consider Hi, Walt I agree with your choice of peers (please see my comments re.: Laura Nyro elsewhere on this thread.) secondly-i an't buyin that blue is anywhere near as sophisticated or even HALF as complex as for the roses. And, I agree that Blue is not as complex as For The Roses; but imo, Blue is much more introspective and personal. FTR more adventuresome. And I love "Ludwig's Tune"; probably my second favorite Joni song after "Down To You". lastly, i miss laura more than any other dead artist. her story is so sad because she was filled with such peace, joy, beauty and just in general good vibes. Once again, I agree; please see my previous post on Laura. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:33:22 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song >I wonder, how does one become a candidate for Kennedy Center Honors? I don't know so I went to their site and asked this very question. In this e-mail I wrote (To whom it may concern) a little about the JMDL. And on went on to write that certainly Ms. Mitchell would qualify for this prestigious honor. IF.......If I don't get a reply I will follow up with a phone call. (There are a list of #'s ...administrative offices) :-) We will see? >Decades fly so fast it makes us dizzy >Our children now have children of their own >Dragonflies and cartwheels fill our memories >Still we sing the songs that make us feel like home Very nice..Anne! Bree >lots of love >Anne _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:42:21 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Down to you and tidbits Bob I think I told you this before but I saw that tour in Baton Rouge (courtesy of my wife before she was) and it was amazing. I loved the version of Banquet especially and WTRF with Landau was amazing as well. I was in a period where I liked to rock as well. I remember she had a false start on a tune and I could swear that it was Court and Spark, but in retrospect it might have been "Help Me or "Free Man" (definitely something from Court and Spark). It was one of her more popular numbers cause everyone was singing along and in the middle of the first verse she had a brain fart and forgot where she was or something. Everyone died laughing as she did and she started it again and nailed it. I remember thinking that it made her more human and down to earth by that faux pax. Instead of some larger than life object of worship. Best Paz >Bob wrote: > > I didn't see her on this tour...she pretty much skipped the Southeast. But I'd > love to hear from those of y'all that saw her on this tour and what you > remember!! > > Bob > > NP: "Banquet", Boston, MA 7/20/83 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:54:52 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: amazing lou reed new york story - njc and very long hi folks: i might post later on all the stuff that's going on today, or on some joni-subject, but this really caught my eye today. it's written by eric alterman, a liberal commentator who writes for the washington monthly and the nation, has a blogcolumn on msnbc and a current non-fiction book on the nytimes bestseller list, entitled "what liberal media?" so he's not some crackpot, which makes this lou reed story even more amazing/amusing. patrick np - joni - just like this train (travelogue) April 9, 2003 http://www.msnbc.com/news/752664.asp CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE LOU REED KIND I like Lou Reed the way most people I know like Lou Reed. I was intrigued and disquieted by "Walk on the Wild Side" in junior high, danced to "Sweet Jane" and "Rock and Roll" in high school, and endured dark, devotional period in college which focused on "The Blue Mask" and "Street Hassle." In grad school with lots of time to kill, I looked up his letters to the poet Delmore Schwartz, and made copies for my friends. But Lou has moved on and so have I. I still pick up his new albums sometimes but they almost always disappoint. His last concert at the Beacon Theater, a half-block from my apartment, was so awful I was relieved to go home to go to bed while he was still onstage. Still, this is New York, so I have a story. A few years ago I was in the Village Vanguard seeing the pianist Marcus Roberts when a beefy security guard who spoke no English blocked my path out of the men's room. I was about to assert my God-given right as an American to leave any men's room whenever I damn pleased, when I noticed the President of the Czech Republic (and a personal hero of mine) Vaclav Havel, leaving the club, trailed by Henry Kissinger and Lou. (What were they talking about before the set? NATO? The Velvets' reunion? Henry's fear of an international criminal tribunal?) Henry and Vaclav jumped into a limo, while Lou was stuck behind them in a jeep. I felt his pain, but I said nothing. A few days later, I was telling this story to my close friend, Mike, who lived in Washington. He told me of the curse that Lou had cast on his life. I don't remember all the details, but Mike was the Lou Reed fan to end all Lou Reed fans from the time he attended Columbia as an undergrad for about a decade and a half. That's when Lou's curse began to take effect. I forget the details, but it was no joke. Mike would always put on one of Lou's albums mark the key moments of his life and something would always go horribly wrong. Girls would dump him; his wife had a miscarriage and I forget what else, but it was bad. He never listened to his favorite artist ever again. I tried to think of what life would be like if I felt forced to exile myself from Bruce Springsteen or Bob Dylan. I couldn't bear it. A few weeks later, I was invited to a benefit party at George Plimpton's house, where Lou was going to do a poetry reading. I told Mike. He asked me please to not even mention Lou ever again, no matter what the circumstances. I apologized. This was serious. Lou came to the reading, and I considered telling him about Mike but it sounded too crazy. Plus, he seemed to be in a really bad mood, even for Lou Reed. He read his songs at an inaudible level, visibly wincing whenever anyone tried to introduce him around. He left within seconds of finishing. Lou is not, apparently, a schmoozer. The next day, Mike called me and asked if I had gotten "the unmentionable one" to lift the curse. "Whaddya mean?" I demanded. "You never told me to do that." "I know," he explained, "That's part of the curse. I'm not allowed to ask." "Shit," I thought. I should have realized. I let my buddy down. I hate that. But America, God bless her, is the land of second chances. On a recent Saturday afternoon, I went to the movies at Lincoln Plaza, twelve blocks from where I live. Walking up Broadway, right by the theater at 63rd street, I saw a woman I thought I recognized eating a late lunch at one of the cafi tables that rubs up right against the sidewalk. Then I remembered who she was: Laurie Anderson, Lou's wife. And there he was, sitting across from her, wearing a black t-shirt, per usual. First I panicked. My cell phone was charging back at home so I couldn't call Mike and ask him what to do. I walked a few feet to the nearest pay phone which advertised calls for twenty-five cents a minute to anywhere, with a fifty-cent minimum. I had fifty-cents, which was my change from the ten-dollar bill I gave the movie lady, and dialed Mike's cell number, but the phone had lied. The minimum was seventy-five cents, which I didn't have. So I tried to call him collect, but his cell did not accept collect calls, don't ask me why. Then I remembered that last time, he said he could not personally ask for the curse to be lifted or else it would not work. So I did it. Like the ultimate bridge-and-tunnel teenage nudnik, I walked back to the sidewalk cafi and excused myself, and said, "Mr. Reed, you probably don't want to hear this whole story but..." Lou: "Excuse me, I'm trying to have a meal here." Me: "Would you just do me a favor and lift the curse on my friend Mike?" Lou (getting angry): "Listen, I'm trying to have a meal...." Me: "Just say 'Sure, I lift the curse on Mike' and I'm outta here. I promise." Lou (exasperated and angry): "Sure. I lift the curse on Mike." Me: "Thanks. Bye." Is this a great city or what? [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:11:13 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: RichardThompson Richard thompson rules. I would have to recommend "Beat the Retreat" (1994), which I believe is the album he did after his divorce from his wife, Linda. I could be wrong. They may have actually done one together during the demise of the relationship, but I was unable to locate it amidst my collection, which is no surprise, since it is completely disorganized. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:17:12 -0400 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #124 Hello All :) Andrew said.."No color, no contrast... I wonder if it refers, in part, to the all white suburbs of middle America at the time" Brilliant observation!!..ive always thought about Hissing as part racial commentary...And most of "middle america" or suburban america..(at least where i live is)..there is NO color or contrast..Joni calls it as she sees it no matter what the popular feeling is..I read that she thought that "Hurricane" Carter was a fraud...or something close to a fraud...thats not a popular position..again where i come from( an "all white" suburb of paterson) how she.. calls out the "hard time band with negro affectations" she couldnt be more right...its still goin on today..anyway i dont wanna get too heavy..it was a great day today...lots of joni playin..Hissing!(Must be in the air)....max volume!! cant get much bettre..hope you all have a great day...****kevin**** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:16:13 -0700 From: "Toni Remmers" Subject: Re: Sisters of Divine Ya-Ya ( NJC) Colin wrote: > he provided some of the soundtrack to The Divine Secrets of The Ya Ya > Sisterhood which we watched, and were disappointed by, the other day. That was his song, Dimming of the Day, which was the best part of the movie. I agree with you....In my opinion it was an awful adaptation of a wonderful book. Kerry Normally, I am a harsh movie critic. I don't get sucked into a movie very easily unless it's really real, but I was surprised when I "broke down" and rented this movie, after seeing some negative reviews, that I really bonded with this movie. Basically, I identified with the nervous breakdown part, it seemed horrifyingly familiar, so maybe it was like watching a train wreck. I just couldn't help but watch it and it must have skewered my usual critical eye. I guess it helps to have had a nervous breakdown to appreciate it, but I wouldn't recommend that either! Toni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:10:17 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 10 On April 10 the following items were published: 1997: "Media going wild over singer's reunion" - Calgary Herald (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=742 2000: "Shades of Joni" - National Post (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=493 2000: "Undated: it best" - AP Worldstream (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=784 2002: "Ask Carly" - CarlySimon.com (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=807 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:10:17 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: crowded house njc >and ill never forget the day she walked in the house saying "youve got hear this - its so beautiful" - and pulled out a crowded house record!!!!!!!!!< those guys in concert are amazing & i love their songs! i've always felt there was a direct musical lineage passing from the beatles to crowded house to toad the wet sprocket.. www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 23:28:33 -0700 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Re: Meaning of Cohen On 4/8/03 11:14 AM, murphycopy@aol.com wrote > In a message dated 4/8/03 9:59:35 AM, rnsc@shaw.ca writes: > << The name Cohen translates as "priest" in Hebrew. >> > Are you sure about that? I always thought it meant "king" or "descended from > kings." This is from a Hebrew glossary (http://www.derech.org/glossary.html): Cohen or cohenim * Priest or priests Cohen HaGadol * The High Priest But I also found this "for he was both king and priest, in which he was an eminent type of Christ; and his being a king is no objection to his being a priest, since it was usual for kings to be priests; and though the Hebrew word "Cohen" sometimes signifies a prince, it cannot be so understood here, not only because the word is rendered "priest" by the Septuagint, and by the apostle, but because he is called the priest of God" Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:47:34 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: april 10!!!!!! njc can you hear IT? CAN YOU HEAR IT???? it sounds like the fluttering of wings... gossamer wings! is it possible that IT could be BACK? yesyesyesyesyes! IN HONOR OF ANNE AND TWIN (and by special request of ASH, queen of all things on this side of fairyland) IT is BACK! I, THE SPLENDID, THE BEAUTIFUL, THE GLAMOROUS and IRIDESCENT JMDL BIRTHDAY FAIRY AM BACK from my covenant with fellow fairies and other SUPERNATURAL BEINGS. AND I SAY: hear this! THE splendid BIRTHDAY FAIRY WILL SPEAK NOW: the BIRTHDAY FAIRY announces anne sandstrom's (and twin's) birthday. anne the aries woman, the fighter, the owner of melody and words. so who dares disobey the MIGHTY BIRTHDAY FAIRY? INSTANT EXILE FROM NEVERLAND TO THOSE WHO DON'T SIMPLY SHRIEK RIGHT NOW AND DECLARE: H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y ANNE (+twin)!!!!!!!! THE jmdl bdf HAS SPOKEN. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:58:13 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: applications accepted now my apologies to joni-onlies for this intrusion but i want this short message to reach all of you jmdlers. since the last time the JMDL BIRTHDAY FAIRY visited the list, its birthday database has become dated and VERY incomplete. if you wish to be on the birthday greeting list, please reply privately to me (i have ways to contact the BDF...). just write your name and birthday (only month and day). if you want to say hello and add something nice, you may do so too, of course. the birthday fairy WILL NOT use its excellent gift of clairvoyance to guess your birthdays, so give the poor thing a break and write. end of message. love to you all, wally ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #229 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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