From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #228 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, April 9 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 228 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC) Another work dilemma ["ron" ] Re: pinkos, commies and faggots oh my! njc ["Lori Fye" ] "No color, no constrast..." [Little Bird ] Re: "No color, no constrast..." [Little Bird ] Re: "No color, no constrast..." ["Lori Fye" ] Re: NJC) Another work dilemma [Catherine McKay ] NJC Richard Thompson [Chris Marshall ] Re: NJC) Another work dilemma ["Lori Fye" ] End the weekend in a Dark Cafe with Foiled Again and Joni (fwd) [anne-smi] Re: Re: FW: (NJC) Another work dilemma [hell ] Re: Our kids getting hooked on Joni now our parents played njc ["ron" ] Re: (NJC) Another work dilemma - now "Pet Peeves" ["Lori Fye" ] Re: End the weekend in a Dark Cafe with Foiled Again and Joni (fwd) really njc now [Susan Guzzi ] Re: NJC Richard Thompson [colin ] commercials njc (and i hope it stays that way!!!!!!) ["ron" ] wired in the produce aisle njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: wired in the produce aisle njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: "No color, no constrast..." [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Our kids getting hooked on Joni now our parents played njc [SCJoniGuy] Re: "No color, no constrast..." [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song [SCJoniGuy@a] Re: NJC Richard Thompson ["kerry" ] Richard Thompson, now Ya-Ya's NJC ["kerry" ] no color, no contrast ["courtandspark@earthlink.net" ] RE: no color, no contrast njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Iraq's torture chamber, was List etiquette, njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Hooked on Joni & JoniFest [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Our kids getting hooked on Joni now njc [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Our kids getting hooked on Joni [PassScribe@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:23:41 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: NJC) Another work dilemma hi >>>>lori wrote >>>>The client desires that all office/cubicle spaces be built to the same SIZE specifications, but this means that the "exterior" cubes will have windows, while the "interior" cubes will not. The architectural process is already in play, no changing that. What the client is seeking is more of a POLICY issue. if they wont have windows, give them all macs...... :-) or linux...... ron np bonnie raitt - have a heart ps - sorry lori - not much help i know :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 14:21:59 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: pinkos, commies and faggots oh my! njc > to the rhythm of your favorite sousa march Dammit, Wally! I HATE Sousa marches!!! I love you, though. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:26:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song --- anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > Oh and I finally took out my guitar and sang some > Joni > the other night. I did The Circle Game, and had a > real > sense of the song not being finished. So I came up > with > an additional verse. (Please don't be too harsh...) > > Decades fly so fast it makes us dizzy > Our children now have children of their own > Dragonflies and cartwheels fill our memories > Still we sing the songs that make us feel like home > I like that. It fits and it brings everything back home like a, well, like a ... circle. Anne, I hope you're doing well. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:38:26 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: NJC) Another work dilemma hi >>>kakki wrote >>>>>Good ideas, but I personally think everyone should have offices or at least a semi-private and comfortable working area. You spend 8 hours+ a day, 5+ days a week there and a company should pay the extra money to make it as inviting as possible. I think egalitarian is a state of mind and attitude and putting people into impersonal pens or one big wide open pen is not entirely humanistic. i worked at an insurance co for a while in '97. they had the policy that there were no secrets so everyone except the branch manager had cubicles. (not egalitarian tho - the height of your cubicles depended on your grade.!!!) we didnt even have private areas for speaking to clients. its just a bad bad idea. there are times when you just *gotta* talk in private. like doing staff evaluations. or planning budgets. or discussing salary increases. or when staff come to you with personal problems. or phoning your wife. or gossiping. the coffee shop downstairs made a fortune out of me 'cause at least there was background noise and no interested parties trying to listen in. ron np - bonnie - iaglybmha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:37:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Little Bird Subject: "No color, no constrast..." As I was listening to the title track of The Hissing of Summer Lawns today this line struck me like lightening: No color, no contrast... I wonder if it refers, in part, to the all white suburbs of middle America at the time. It follows the verse with the line about the barbed wire fence to keep out the unknown. Granted, it's while discussing the fuzzy "tube" but there again, it could be a reference to racism - all white TV, which is cultural "darkness" to the mind; the darkness of willful ignorance if you will. In any case, I thought it was interesting to think about the "no color, no contrast" line as a metaphor for all white suburbia, not a single person with a different skin tone, not one other culture for constrast. - -Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:39:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: "No color, no constrast..." Ooops. That's contrast, not constrast. I wonder what constrast would be... some form of intense costipation I imagine... - -Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 14:40:35 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: "No color, no constrast..." > No color, no contrast... > > I wonder if it refers, in part, to the all white > suburbs of middle America at the time. It follows the > verse with the line about the barbed wire fence to > keep out the unknown. Excellent catch, Andrew! It never occurred to me before, but I'll bet you're absolutely correct. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:47:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC) Another work dilemma --- ron wrote: > there are times when you > just *gotta* talk in > private. like doing staff evaluations. or planning > budgets. or discussing > salary increases. or when staff come to you with > personal problems. or > phoning your wife. or gossiping. > > the coffee shop downstairs made a fortune out of me > 'cause at least there > was background noise and no interested parties > trying to listen in. The bosses probably had a stake in the coffee shop's profits. My office (wow - I do have an office, with a real door, that shuts and everything, which comes in mighty handy when I just don't wanna talk to anyone, or listen, is more like it) is right next to a meeting room. Soundproofing is pointless because the sound travels anyway through the heating ducts and so on. Some of these meetings get awfully loud, especially when they've got someone conferenced in on the squawk box (all you can hear is BWA-BWA-bwa-BWA). It's at times like that that I sometimes call in one of my co-workers and we pretend we're arguing about something so the people in the meeting can hear us and kind of get the hint. It doesn't always work. And have you noticed that when people are talking about really boring stuff they do it IN REALLY LOUD VOICES (think those boring slobs in the grocery stores talking on cell phones about NUTHIN' in loud obnoxious voices - "(See ME? I've got a CELLPHONE!) Well, here I am in the tomato section, honey. What kind of tomaydas ya say ya want? Do you want some of those shitake, shit-take-it mushrooms?") and when they're talking about interesting stuff, their voices get oh, so quiet. I hate that - I can never find my listening glass when i need it most! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:50:46 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: NJC Richard Thompson Well, having been dimly aware of him for around 12 years now, originally through MuchMusic's "The New Music" show that used to get imported over here, I've bought an album of his. (Incidentally, I remember seeing a Joni interview on The New Music in about 1991, which was at least a couple or so years before I bought any of her music. Can you believe I had my ears shut at the time??? D'oh.) Anyway... "The Old Kit Bag" is RT's latest, out in the US on May 6th, and I have to say that I'm hooked. A really nice blend of stuff from Oldey Englishy Folky Music to more rocky stuff. I just can't believe I've left it this long to buy one of his CDs. His website has samples of the new stuff for you US folk, all the way over at www.richardthompson-music.com, and he's touring this month over there too. On the basis of the CD, and his charismatic Joni tribute performance, I'd recommend catching him live if you can. So... longer-established fans, tell me this. Which of his other CDs should I go and get next? - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 14:56:08 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC) Another work dilemma > its just a bad bad idea. there are times when you just *gotta* talk in > private. like doing staff evaluations. or planning budgets. or > discussing salary increases. or when staff come to you with personal > problems. or phoning your wife. or gossiping. I agree, Ron -- and by the way Kakki, I agree with your opinions too. Regardless, this client is going to try this "egalitarian" concept. Probably what will happen with regard to private conversations is what happens in my office (which is all cubicles -- and MY cube walls are only 18" high because I'm an admin person): the private conversations are taken to a conference room. Thanks, everybody! Lori, who is thinking about a transfer to L.A. so she can eat at the Daily Grill ... well, DAILY! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:59:06 +0000 From: anne-smith@att.net Subject: End the weekend in a Dark Cafe with Foiled Again and Joni (fwd) Hope to see you there! :)Anne Sheridan Smith - ---------------------- Forwarded Message: --------------------- From: Rdalindley@aol.com To: FoiledAgain3@aol.com Subject: End the weekend in a Dark Cafe with Foiled Again and Joni Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:50:11 EDT The reviews keep coming in! Gay Chicago Magazine gives "Dark Cafe Days: Foiled Again sings Joni Mitchell" a four-star review "The depth of Mitchell's work and the suppleness of Foiled Again's tight harmonies, along with each of their individual vocal power, combine for a richly textured and warmly nuanced hour of musical wonderment that will certainly rank as one of this year's best creations" - Jeff Rosen There are only two shows left! This Sunday - the 13th and the 27th @ 9:00 PM (we're letting the Big Yellow Taxi take an Easter break) This is a great opportunity for those of you who missed us in March and maybe some of you will want to come see it again. We hope you can make it - this is our baby. $15 cover + 2 drinks call for reservations 773.278.1830 Davenport's Piano Bar + Cabaret 1383 N Milwaukee Chicago, IL Davenport's, piano bar and cabaret: CitySearch to read the full review go to: Gay Chicago Magazine Foiled Again is: Allison Bazarko Rob Lindley Anne Sheridan Smith with Mike Descoteaux on piano The reviews keep coming in! Gay Chicago Magazine gives "Dark Cafe Days: Foiled Again sings Joni Mitchell" a four-star review "The depth of Mitchell's work and the suppleness of Foiled Again's tight harmonies, along with each of their individual vocal power, combine for a richly textured and warmly nuanced hour of musical wonderment that will certainly rank as one of this year's best creations" - Jeff Rosen There are only two shows left! This Sunday - the 13th and the 27th @ 9:00 PM (we're letting the Big Yellow Taxi take an Easter break) This is a great opportunity for those of you who missed us in March and maybe some of you will want to come see it again. We hope you can make it - this is our baby. $15 cover + 2 drinks call for reservations 773.278.1830 Davenport's Piano Bar + Cabaret 1383 N Milwaukee Chicago, IL Davenport's, piano bar and cabaret: CitySearch to read the full review go to: Gay Chicago Magazine Foiled Again is: Allison Bazarko Rob Lindley Anne Sheridan Smith with Mike Descoteaux on piano ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:01:32 -0700 (PDT) From: hell Subject: Re: Re: FW: (NJC) Another work dilemma Catherine wrote: >FWIW, if you're going to try to be fair about it, and >having a window seat is all that important, give the >people with the crappiest, most boring jobs the window >seats. The big cheeses are probably always out at >meetings anyway. Here's another opinion. I do have a window seat (in a large, noisy, horrible open-plan office!) and I would trade for an internal area in a second. (a) I overlook a carpark and the motorway, (b) I have my back to people walking up behind me all day (at one point I had an open area directly behind me, at the end of a walkway - not pleasant!) and (c), in the afternoons (especially in winter) when the sun gets low, I have to completely close the blind, or be blinded by the sun and the resulting glare on the desk! Window seats aren't all they're cracked up to be! Hell P.S. Mind you, if the window seat came with a nice job in Wisconsin and a green card, I'd take it all back! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:10:00 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Our kids getting hooked on Joni now our parents played njc hi my dad was a big band swing & jazz nut. i probably still know every song glenn miller ever recorded. bu i must say the only one which ever really appealed to me was stan kenton. (actually i must try & listen to him again & see if it still appeals.....) . those damn "happy hammond goes pop" albums still make me cringe. and i still want to scream ever time i hear liza minelli. you can onluy listen to "hey big spender" just so many times before you crack :-) then he brought home an album called "music of our time" and i was never the same again. still have a taste for johnny & edgar winter to this day.now - i know im really pushing my luck here. does anyone remember this album??? have a copy :-) we were given a whole pile of 7 singles by a daughter of one of his friends. bab's singing "people" - i always preferred the b side - "2nd hand rose" (or was that someone else on a different album) edith piaf, someone singing "i will follow him", there was a beatles single in there somewhere. still dont get them except for "norwegain wood". my dad really loved his music, no matter how strange some was. i know where i inherited it from :-) and how about parents reactions to the music we listened to?? my dad wanted to smash all uriah heep albums (gee - maybe he did have taste :-) leonard cohen only happened with the headphones on it was considered obscene cause - "the only man of energy, yes the revolutions pride, he trained a hundred woman just to kill an unborn child" ian dury we never let our parent hear - to this day i still love the line "hope it springs eternal, springs right up your behind" you really must see the faces some people make when i quote that line in response to some ridiculously optimistic comment... joni, joan baez, emmylou harris, annie herring, laura nyro, janni grein were all *that woman* as in *TURN THAT DAMN WOMAN OFF* from my mom. amazingly when i played her kate and anna mcgarrigles "matapedia" recently she was entranced. eyes closed, head swaying, her comment "beautiful".,......... and ill never forget the day she walked in the house saying "youve got hear this - its so beautiful" - and pulled out a crowded house record!!!!!!!!! ron npimh - lots of musical memories.............. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:12:52 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Fw: Happy Rhodes Tour 2003 hi last one for the night!!! i promise!!!! for anyone who may be interested. jump in now while shes still doing these!!!!! Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:51 PM Subject: Happy Rhodes Tour 2003 > Dear Listener of Happy Rhodes music, > > I'm writing to you to let you know that Happy is planning a tour in > support of her upcoming CD. A large part of this tour will be in the form of > House Concerts. > For those who might not know, a house concert is a show that is given in > an individual's home. Folks who want to host a house concert, book it with > the performer and provide a cleared and preferably large room, where people > can comfortably watch a private performance from their favorite artists. > Usually, 100% of the proceeds go to the artist, assuming there are no > expenses for the homeowner. > If you or someone you know, might want to host a house concert for Happy > Rhodes, please contact me: write to Ken at kosterhaudt@aol.com. > If you aren't interested in hosting a house concert but would like to > know about upcoming shows, you can log onto www.auntiesocialmusic.com for all > tour information. Forgive me if you've already been notified and if you've > already written to me, please just disregard this notice. > Thank you so much for purchasing Happy Rhodes music. > > Ken Osterhaudt > Auntie Social Music > www.auntiesocialmusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 15:10:59 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: (NJC) Another work dilemma - now "Pet Peeves" > And have you noticed that when people are talking about really boring > stuff they do it IN REALLY LOUD VOICES (think those boring slobs in > the grocery stores talking on cell phones about NUTHIN' in loud > obnoxious voices - "(See ME? I've got a CELLPHONE!) Uh oh, you just got me started ... Washington DC is one of the most annoying places to live when it comes to cell phones -- and PDAs (Palm Pilots, Visor Handsprings, etc.) for that matter. There are constantly people on the commuter train YELLING into their cell phones, poking their PDAs, trying to look so damn important -- but important about NOTHING. If hate came easily to me, I'd hate them all. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:15:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: "No color, no constrast..." And I would add, being a loather of the suburbs - myself, that this line is all encompassing of the sameness ... the lawns ... the homes ... the routines ... the dress ... the beliefs - etc etc etc. NO color ... no contrast. I think Joni feared and disliked the thought of this suburban life. Being an artist how could she not, and one on so many levels. But being a woman in love, I think she often felt the whim to take on this lifestyle to satisfy her heart, but was always her pragmatic self in the end and thought of the long term effects to her and her muse. Or maybe she feels as I & many others do, that being a romantic is not just love of a lover, but a lover of life and all things. So possibly she chooses to be this nonmonogomaus person and the lover of all things. Perhaps with few exceptions, real artists are prisoners in disguise to the art they love so much, themselves so unaware that by giving up one ball and chain they have donned another. Ahh too late in my workday to get so philosophical - I have thought enough for one day ... ah but I craved the color and contrast here! I have been listening to HOSL a lot lately as well and LOVING IT! And well ... I was just wondering .. (here I go Mags/Lucy) what's all this about "your notches liberation doll?" Whats that mean - really? Hey we have a load of new listers maybe they can enlighten us - once and for all - LOL! Peace, Susan --- Lori Fye wrote: > > No color, no contrast... > > > > I wonder if it refers, in part, to the all white > > suburbs of middle America at the time. It follows the > > verse with the line about the barbed wire fence to > > keep out the unknown. > > Excellent catch, Andrew! It never occurred to me before, but I'll bet > you're absolutely correct. > > Lori Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:22:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: End the weekend in a Dark Cafe with Foiled Again and Joni (fwd) really njc now WoooHooo Anne has delurked! Welcome Anne! And dont be a stranger! Anne is one of the other FABULOUS performers in the Dark Cafe Days show - in Chicago! Remember the review and comments about "The Gallery" - well there she is! Come on down all you Joniphiles of the Midwest - come and see the show! Peace, Susan - --- anne-smith@att.net wrote: > Hope to see you there! :)Anne Sheridan Smith > ---------------------- Forwarded Message: --------------------- > From: Rdalindley@aol.com > To: FoiledAgain3@aol.com > Subject: End the weekend in a Dark Cafe with Foiled Again and Joni > Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:50:11 EDT > > The reviews keep coming in! > > Gay Chicago Magazine gives > "Dark Cafe Days: > Foiled Again sings Joni Mitchell" > a four-star review > "The depth of Mitchell's work and the suppleness of Foiled Again's tight > harmonies, along with each of their individual vocal power, combine for a > richly textured and warmly nuanced hour of musical wonderment that will > certainly rank as one of this year's best creations" - Jeff Rosen > > There are only two shows left! > This Sunday - the 13th > and the 27th @ 9:00 PM > (we're letting the Big Yellow Taxi take an Easter break) > > This is a great opportunity for those of you who missed us in March > and maybe some of you will want to come see it again. > We hope you can make it - this is our baby. > > $15 cover + 2 drinks > call for reservations > 773.278.1830 > Davenport's Piano Bar + Cabaret > 1383 N Milwaukee > Chicago, IL > > Davenport's, piano bar and cabaret: > CitySearch > to read the full review go to: > Gay Chicago Magazine > > Foiled Again is: > Allison Bazarko > Rob Lindley > Anne Sheridan Smith > with Mike Descoteaux on piano > The reviews keep coming in! > > Gay Chicago Magazine gives > "Dark Cafe Days: > Foiled Again sings Joni Mitchell" > a four-star review > "The depth of Mitchell's work and the suppleness of Foiled Again's tight > harmonies, along with each of their individual vocal power, combine for a > richly textured and warmly nuanced hour of musical wonderment that will > certainly rank as one of this year's best creations" - Jeff Rosen > > There are only two shows left! > This Sunday - the 13th > and the 27th @ 9:00 PM > (we're letting the Big Yellow Taxi take an Easter break) > > This is a great opportunity for those of you who missed us in March > and maybe some of you will want to come see it again. > We hope you can make it - this is our baby. > > $15 cover + 2 drinks > call for reservations > 773.278.1830 > Davenport's Piano Bar + Cabaret > 1383 N Milwaukee > Chicago, IL > > Davenport's, piano bar and cabaret: CitySearch > to read the full review go to: > Gay Chicago Magazine > > Foiled Again is: > Allison Bazarko > Rob Lindley > Anne Sheridan Smith > with Mike Descoteaux on piano Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:47:54 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "No color, no constrast..." Andrew writes: << In any case, I thought it was interesting to think about the "no color, no contrast" line as a metaphor for all white suburbia, not a single person with a different skin tone, not one other culture for constrast. >> And you know that this song is supposed to be about Jose Feliciano, don't you? So I think your interpretation is right on. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:04:17 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "No color, no constrast..." Guzzi writes: << what's all this about "your notches liberation doll?" >> Click click . . . B L A A A A A A M ! ! ! - - B o b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:06:20 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "No color, no constrast..." I wrote: << And you know that this song is supposed to be about Jose Feliciano, don't you? So I think your interpretation is right on. >> By this I meant that as an outsider (in the 70s) looking in at suburbia, he would notice the lack of color and contrast. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:10:04 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Richard Thompson Chris writes: << So... longer-established fans, tell me this. Which of his other CDs should I go and get next? >> I think we'll have to let Debra handle this one . . . --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:24:19 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: music our parents played hi i found a track lisrting for the "music of our time" sampler i mentioned: Side One Livin' in heart (Chase) In and out of love (Rascals) Nightmare no 5 (Al Kooper) Lowdown (Chigaco) If not for you (Bob Dylan) Celebration (Argent) Wrong end of the rainbow (Tom Rush) Devil lady (Dreams) Blackpatch (Laura Nyro) Side Two Things yet to come (Sweathog) Se a cabo (Santana) Famous blue raincoat (Leonard Cohen) Jumpin' Jack flash (Johnny Winter) Get it (Music Corporation) Move over (Janis Joplin) C'mon (Poco) Give it everything you got (Edgar Winter) Take me in your arms (Blood, Sweat and Tears) i was 9 years old at the time. thanks dad - you changed my life when you brought it home!!!!! ron npimh - most of the above tracks!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:41:12 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Richard Thompson he provided some of the soundtrack to The Divine Secrets of The Ya Ya Sisterhood which we watched, and were disappointed by, the other day. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:45:25 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: commercials njc (and i hope it stays that way!!!!!!) hi >>>>mack wrote >>>>I don't know about that but I hope that she never turns up on a commercial. So many lovely, classic tunes are ending up there. What a waste but realize they need the cash. sitting watching tv the other day. they have the ad break, and up comes the old, familiar, classic lines: "theres something happening here. what it is aint exactly clear....." but at least the advert was a good one. four penguins, standing on each others shoulders, disguised as a nun, and trying to steal the advertised brand of frozen fish from a shop freezer. (entertaining - but bad advertising i guess, 'cause i remember the ad, the song, the camera work, everything except the brand of frozen fish.......) ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:41:51 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC) Another work dilemma I am so grateful i don't go out to work..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:44:57 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: wired in the produce aisle njc catherine, that's so annoying!!! whatever happened to the good old shopping list? why do people need to electronic appliances to choose a head of lettuce nowadays? as to offices, during the years i worked for a UN agency i found out a lot about windows and compass points! would you believe that office space was chosen following strict specifications based on the rank/window relationship? there were WRITTEN guidelines to rent space. how many bosses, how many secretaries for each boss, who was small fry, who was top banana -- all of this determined how many windows you needed, which offices should have a northern exposure (the best in the southern hemisphere), which ones would be soundproofed, which ones would be to the RIGHT or the LEFT of the conference room, how many steps away from the executive bathroom, you name it. the tiniest deviation from these rules could cause a major *international* cat fight. i used to be hired as a linguistic consultant and many times i had to teach language courses. the way i scheduled classes was also a constant source of etiquette challenges. i was supposed to be the consultant with the most glamour (those were my golden days!!!) so i had to include every high-rank official in my advanced courses ... regardless of their linguistic competence!!! and yet, i miss my UN days. i miss the health benefits too. wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Catherine McKay Enviado el: Miercoles, 09 de Abril de 2003 06:48 p.m. Para: ron; joni@smoe.org CC: kakki Asunto: Re: NJC) Another work dilemma "(See ME? I've got a CELLPHONE!) Well, here I am in the tomato section, honey. What kind of tomaydas ya say ya want? Do you want some of those shitake, shit-take-it mushrooms?") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:59:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: wired in the produce aisle njc --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > catherine, that's so annoying!!! whatever happened > to the good old shopping > list? why do people need to electronic appliances to > choose a head of > lettuce nowadays? Whatever happened to KEEPING IT ALL IN YOUR HEAD? this from the person who used to be able to do that, but now gets to the store and forgets what she's there for, buys 10 or so things, gets home and realizes she's forgotten the one thing she went there for to begin with - I've always thought writing a list was so anal! > as to offices, during the years i worked for a UN > agency i found out a lot > about windows and compass points! would you believe > that office space was > chosen following strict specifications based on the > rank/window > relationship? there were WRITTEN guidelines to rent > space. how many bosses, > how many secretaries for each boss, who was small > fry, who was top banana -- I know what you mean. I work for the government. They had these written guidelines too about how many square feet you could have depending on your classification; they also had rules about who could have real wooden furniture and who got the cheaper stuff. They don't adhere to that so much now - nowadays they squish as many bodies as they possibly can into as small a space as they can (cube farms) and they're constantly moving people around and reorganizing all over the place. The people in the office next to ours moved in in January and had moved out again within the same year to accomodate someone else with more clout. The people that kicked my group out of our old office were kicked out of it, in turn, by someone with more clout than them before they had even finished renovating it after we left - the good news for us was that, because we had been asked to leave by someone in a very senior position, as part of the deal, they paid for our new office renovations and we ended up with something nicer (and farther from the centre of the hive, read insanity) than we were before. My office has a window - - nice view ... overlooking the wall and windows of the condo next door, about five feet from my window! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:02:24 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Our kids getting hooked on Joni now njc i also was a broadway baby...raised on : oliver, sound of music, west side story, king & i, madame butterfly, etc... living in the jersey burbs, my folks would take me into the big city to see some of these broadway musicals...my own first musical purchase was hair (saw it off off broadway)... i also had that little 45 record player like kakki did! then i moved up to a big record player- a christmas gift & my first album courtesy of dad- the beach boys! my dad must have been california dreaming because he eventually moved us all out here... www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:16:01 -0400 From: Subject: Iraq's torture chamber, was List etiquette, njc I hate to interrupt the JMDL'es recent debate on molesting children, advice on the supposed benefit of sodomy, and the relative sizes of body parts. It's all very objectionable to me and strains the very outer boundaries of NJC but it's also beside the point. This week, Iraqi residents took the press on a guided tour of a torture chamber. If you want to read about what the Brits and the USA helped to put a stop to, go the CNN web page: http://tinyurl.com/952k The written descriptions are grizly. I'm not sure they are as grizly as everything else that's been discussed this month but they are grisly. This week belongs to the liberated Iraqis. It so hairy in Baghdad, the International Committee of the Red Cross can't even evacuate the wounded of either side for treatment. Can we please get back to some civility and show some respect for the issues of the day: the tortured, the dead, and the liberated? This is not a giddy week, folks. Thanks for the bandwidth. Lama PS, I found a boon for people who want to post long urls. Go to www.tinyurl.com and paste in the long url, (like the CNN web page I wanted to reference.) It gives you back a very short one that re-directs traffic to the original location (like the one I posted, above). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:47:14 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "No color, no constrast..." In a message dated 4/9/2003 5:38:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: > In any case, I thought it was interesting to think > about the "no color, no contrast" line as a metaphor > for all white suburbia, not a single person with a > different skin tone, not one other culture for > contrast. > It certainly works on that level, Andrew. I always thought that it was directly related to the "tube" reference; that is, when you turn the TV off (in olden times) it wasn't instantly off, it would fade...darkness, darkness, darkness, and "color" and "contrast" were always 2 controls of the TV. And she was using it for a metaphor for precisely what you and Susan alluded to; the saintized sameness of it all...the furniture that nobody sits in, the manicured lawns, etc. Interesting too in that she wrote the song with her then beau John Guerin who gets a rare co-writing credit. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:50:09 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Our kids getting hooked on Joni now our parents played njc In a message dated 4/9/2003 6:08:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, flopit@mweb.co.za writes: > those damn "happy hammond goes pop" albums > still make me cringe. But, but, but...you haven't heard the Happy Hammond play "Woodstock" yet. Yes it does exist. Anyway, what guy doesn't like a happy organ! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:59:45 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "No color, no constrast..." In a message dated 4/9/2003 8:40:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > By this I meant that as an outsider (in the 70s) looking in at suburbia, he > would notice the lack of color and contrast. > But I thought he was blind? What color & contrast would he have noticed? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:07:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song In a message dated 4/9/2003 4:20:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anne@sandstrom.com writes: > So I came up with > an additional verse. (Please don't be too harsh...) > Harsh??? Anne, your wonderful lyric gift has been long-praised in this forum, and this is no exception. I thought I would add that a cover of Circle Game by an acoustic Pacific Northwest trio called Briarose also adds a nice "extra verse"...they sing: "Two Decades more, and now the man is 40, That's his own little girl that goes runnin' out the door She skips & sings, catching dragonflies in the morning And in the evenings they hold hands and wish upon a star..." Both of you mention dragonflies...pretty cool! Bob NP: Briarose, "The Circle Game" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:12:57 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Re: NJC Richard Thompson Hi Chris! I can't answer as well as Debra, but I'm a recent convert to his music too. I was never sure about him either till I saw him in a solo acoustic concert last year. It was fantastic! He's one of those people who can make his guitar sound like a whole band. I only have one CD so far, but it's a great one to start with. It's called, "Action Packed - The Best of the Capitol Years" and has 19 songs on it; lots of them classics. (My favorite so far is "Beeswing.") Enjoy! Kerry - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 6:10 PM Subject: Re: NJC Richard Thompson > Chris writes: > > << So... longer-established fans, tell me this. Which of > his other CDs should I go and get next? >> > > I think we'll have to let Debra handle this one . . . > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:17:09 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Richard Thompson, now Ya-Ya's NJC Colin wrote: > he provided some of the soundtrack to The Divine Secrets of The Ya Ya > Sisterhood which we watched, and were disappointed by, the other day. That was his song, Dimming of the Day, which was the best part of the movie. I agree with you....In my opinion it was an awful adaptation of a wonderful book. Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:06:01 -0400 From: "courtandspark@earthlink.net" Subject: no color, no contrast Andrew wrote: no color, no contrast I wonder if it refers, in part, to the all white suburbs of middle America at the time. - --I don't know but if so it sure goes along with the tune 'pleasant valley sunday' by the Monkees and I cannot imagine another tune conveying those days and that time better than it did. I can almost feel those Sunday afternoons when I hear that one and sometimes even long for them. Right or wrong, they were lovely. Was that another Boyce-Hart tune? Probably. They wrote some good ones. mack - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:18:09 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: no color, no contrast Mack wrote: > --I don't know but if so it sure goes along with the tune 'pleasant valley > sunday' by the Monkees and I cannot imagine another tune conveying those > days and that time better than it did. I can almost feel those Sunday > afternoons when I hear that one and sometimes even long for them. Right or > wrong, they were lovely. Was that another Boyce-Hart tune? Probably. > They wrote some good ones. Nope, that was a Gerry Goffin/Carole King song - one of several they wrote "for" the Monkees (or whoever was in need of the next Top 20 hit)! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:15:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: no color, no contrast njc did you know that pleasant valley sunday was written by carole king and gerry goffin? i'm currently going through an insane carole king phase and i've just downloaded the original carole king demo of that song! the synchronicity on this list is scary sometimes... wally, np: only love is real, carole king - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de courtandspark@earthlink.net Enviado el: Miircoles, 09 de Abril de 2003 11:06 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: no color, no contrast - --I don't know but if so it sure goes along with the tune 'pleasant valley sunday' by the Monkees and I cannot imagine another tune conveying those days and that time better than it did. I can almost feel those Sunday afternoons when I hear that one and sometimes even long for them. Right or wrong, they were lovely. Was that another Boyce-Hart tune? Probably. They wrote some good ones. mack - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:18:18 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Iraq's torture chamber, was List etiquette, njc oh yes, a torture chamber is well within the njc boundaries. thanks for the sights. wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de jlamadoo@fuse.net Enviado el: Miircoles, 09 de Abril de 2003 09:16 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Iraq's torture chamber, was List etiquette, njc I hate to interrupt the JMDL'es recent debate on molesting children, advice on the supposed benefit of sodomy, and the relative sizes of body parts. It's all very objectionable to me and strains the very outer boundaries of NJC but it's also beside the point. This week, Iraqi residents took the press on a guided tour of a torture chamber. If you want to read about what the Brits and the USA helped to put a stop to, go the CNN web page: http://tinyurl.com/952k ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:24:16 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: PazFest Available on CD Baby Hello All Jack has finally convinced me to put PazFest up on CDBaby and I have done just that. He has had great success with them and loves what Derek has done with his site. So I took the plunge and we are off and running. I got an email from them today that sez they are working on digitizing the stuff and it will be up and available in a few days. Please help support the cause by picking up a copy when you can (now reduced to $21.99 a copy). I will post something as soon as I get the word that it is up and available. Below is a review I received in Where Ya't Magazine that I have been meaning to post. If any of you would like to send me a one line review of the PazFest CD by Thursday at say 9pm central I would like to include some of them on the CD Baby site. Please send them to me at michael@thepazgroup.com and I will put them up. CD Review From: Where Y9at Magazine, New Orleans, La. December 2002 By: Michael Dominici Various Artists New Orleans Tribute to Joni Mitchell at the Howlin9 Wolf Singer/songwriter Joni Mitchell is unquestionably one of the most adored figures of the last four decades. A true eclectic with exquisite taste. Mitchell9s approach incorporates elements of jazz, blues, and folk into a unique style that gives her intricate imagery a poignant touch. As a testament to Mitchell9s enduring impact on musicians of all stripes, musician Michael Paz staged a tribute at The Howlin9 Wolf on May 28, 2000 gathering over two dozen performers to benefit The Ruth Paz Foundation. Clinica Medica Ruth Paz-located in San Pedro Sula, Honduras-is a free clinic providing medical and dental treatment to poor families in that region. Proceeds from this recording will go towards the clinic, which is currently building a burn unit as well. The live recording captures the magical atmosphere that night. The twenty-five selections here present a cross section of local musicians interpreting compositions from Mitchell9s vast songbook. There9s much to like here. All the musicians involved invest everything they have into the material, so the quality of the performances is very high. Of the many highlights, my favorites include Kim Prevost and Bill Solley9s soulful takes on 3Both Sides Now2 and 3Woodstock2. Denise Marie9s interpretation of 3Blue Motel Room2 and 3Furry Sings The Blues2 really get it. Marie9s voice has the sultry sweetness of Rickie Lee Jones combined with a touch of Janis Joplin9s raspiness (but with far more polish and taste). Then there9s Susan Cowsill whose amazing voice emphatically reaffirms that music is undoubtedly one of the strongest and purest forms of artistic expression. Words like sincerity, feeling, beauty and clarity only hint at the marvelous quality of her voice-utterly human and ethereal, wow. Cowsill interprets 3The Last Time I Saw Richard2 and 3Chelsea Morning2 (prepare to be blown away and deeply moved). Candace Cox9s approach on 3For Free2 rekindles the cool, controlled emotion that gives Mitchell9s music such mesmerizing character. I9ve only begun to scratch the surface here. There9s much more by Kim Carson, Brain Stoltz, Beth Patterson, John Parker, Michael Paz, Leslie Smith, Brian Thomas, John Rankin, Vic Saul, Danzig and Wooley, Jack Neilson, and Betsy McGovern. New Orleans Tribute to Joni Mitchell at The Howlin9 Wolf offers the best of all possible worlds. - -Michael Dominici IN OTHER NEWS!!!!!!! Thanks to everyone who has recently picked up copies of Jack's CD "Here I Go Again" also available on CDBaby. Also Jack's song "Georgia" debuted on FreshBlend at #84 >"Home To Georgia" debuts this week at #84 on FreshBlend Radio! >http://www.cafes.net/jhester/FreshBlend/ > And is now up to #55 on the charts. Please stop by and check it out and listen in. Also please send requests that they play it more often. Jack will be performing live at Tipitina's French Quarter on April 30 at 8pm during Jazz Fest. If anyone plans on being in town please stop by. Christina and Sam and I will be opening the show with a set of Joni Tribute Material. Plus a few other acoustic sets from friends of Jack's (Leslie Smith, Beth Patterson + more). Thanks for listening, Love Paz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:21:51 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Hooked on Joni & JoniFest In a message dated 4/8/03 10:10:39 PM, theodore@buckfush.org writes: << I used to listen to The Doors a great deal when I was 13, 14, 15. An English teacher played Dylan's Hard Rain's Gonna Fall and made us write an in class essay on it. The Doors introduced me to Blake's poetry, and also the philosophy and fiction of Aldous Huxley. Ted aka Napoleon in rags. >> Cool stuff! Hey, if you get a chance, check out Leon Russell's version of "Hard Rain's Gonna Fall" from the '70's. Kenny B NP: "No. 1 Lowest Common Denominator", Todd Rundgren ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:22:09 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Our kids getting hooked on Joni now njc In a message dated 4/8/03 10:12:26 PM, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << Here's the kind of stuff my Dad used to play on the hi-fi stereo when I was a kid: - - military stuff (marching music; pipes and drums stuff) - Sunday seemed to be military music day at our house, and Sundays were the days I perfected my eye-rolling technique - - Herb Alpert (I don't know if Dad actually liked him that much, but he had bought one LP that he seemed to like, so every Christmas and birthday after that for a while, guess what we kids gave him?) - - Broadway musicals. As an adult, I love most of the Broadway stuff. While Maria would sing, "I feel pretty", I would practice singing, "I feel shitty." Herb Alpert has a certain kitschy charm, but you have to be half-drunk and possibly eating Mexican food to appreciate it. The only pipes and drums heard in my house are when Joni sings Chelsea Morning. Like it or not, what parents listen to is heard by the kids and assimilated one way or another, finally manifesting itself when, years later, it comes back to haunt us when we find ourselves inexplicably humming along to "The Lonely Bull" as we're staring at the numbers on some must-avoid-eye-contact-or-die elevator ride. Well, I actually used to be really into the music from Drum & Bugle Corps as I had some cousins who were involved while I was growing up. I still enjoy that stuff. I think Herb Alpert's Tijuana Brass albums must have sold a TON 'cause I always see them at garage sales & flea markets. Kenny B NP: "Useless Begging", Todd Rundgren ===== Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:22:51 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Our kids getting hooked on Joni In a message dated 4/8/03 10:44:19 PM, groovchacha@yahoo.com writes: << s an auntie, I work udercover with my niece and nephew. Although my brother is doing his part filtering the Beatles through their little heads - I of course am working Joni into their lives. I had hoped my niece, Angela - 7, would be the next Joni, but it appears I will have to settle for Michael - 5 being the next Lennon or JT. He can not stop himself from singing the Beatles day and night. When I am there we sing "The Circle Game" together and he begs me to sing that song about Michael and the mountains. Ahh so what if my brother picked the atheist to be godmother - I AM doing God's work here! Get'em while they're young. As my Michael says waving his hands in the air .... Give Peace A Chance Susan >> I'm sure you're doing a fine job, too! Kenny B NP: "Izzat Love?", Todd Rundgren ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #228 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)