From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #223 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, April 7 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 223 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: woman of heart and mind njc now ["theodore" ] side effects njc [colin ] american masters- allen ginsberg NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: american masters- allen ginsberg NJC ["theodore" ] Joni on the radio [Doug ] Re: Kids liking Joni [Doug ] Re: NJC Stryngs' album - US/Canadian availability [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Ltd Edition of OCTOBER ROAD, njc [AsharaJM@aol.com] Joni/Judy [Ruth Davis ] Carnegie Hall '69 ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Carnegie Hall '69 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC/Games/Note to Bob ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: please allow me to introduce...NJC [dsk ] Re: Diana Krall Singing Case of You ["Larry D." ] Re: Diana Krall Singing Case of You [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Mingus and TS Eliot [dsk ] blue ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni/Judy - njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: blue [Jerry Notaro ] RE: blue ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Down to You [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: NJC Stryngs' album - US/Canadian availability [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC Stryngs' album - US/Canadian availability [Catherine McKay ] Re: Down to You [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Down to You [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Mark McMath [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Our kids getting hooked on Joni [PassScribe@aol.com] Billie Holiday on PBS (njc) [Little Bird ] RE: please allow me to introduce...NJC ["patrick leader" Subject: RE: woman of heart and mind njc now I believe he did. I remember the news reports fairly vividly, although I could be wrong, I tried to not be sober for a good decade or so. I know we all have to make a living. "every cheap hood strikes a bargain with the world." My life of crime got me nowhere. Rueben, Hoffman what's the difference ... newsflash rolling across the bottom of my screen 1 out of every 142 Americans is behind bars. The best thing about the trial of Hoffman and the rest was the testimony given by Allen Ginsberg. Saw a lovely news piece this weekend, civilians mutilated in an Iraqi hospital. One guy said he was eating breakfast and then he heard the helicopters, killed his dad and his granddad, he was lying there with both his legs blown off. "Hate and War, the only thing we are today." no woham no cry, Ted - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Susan Guzzi Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 11:33 PM To: theodore; 'Kate Bennett' Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: woman of heart and mind njc now Hey All! Just an FYI, Abbie never hit Wall Street Ted, unless he tripped over it. You're thinking of Jerry Rueben I believe. It's just the Guz making sure history is properly recorded - thank you. And I feel a little like Jerry in my "somewhat" chosen profession - even though I am a member of the working poor in that particular industry - LOL! Peace, Susan - --- theodore wrote: > These are just my impressions mostly from growing up. Not meant to be > taken personally, my generation saw Abbey Hoffman hit wall street. Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 08:22:51 +0100 From: colin Subject: side effects njc Thank you to those who made suggestions to meabout my 'angina'. It has been 6 days since i stopped my taking my stomach meds. Yesterday I had no pain at all. This morning I walkedthe dogs, in frost, and still no pains. As muscle pain is listed as a possible side of Protium and ranitadine, I wonder why my dr didn't think of it? Maybe it is too early to be sure but yeserday and today are the first days for mths with no pain. It has been a scary time so i thnk you for the support received. bw colin 28lbs ligther and still droppping.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 00:27:55 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: american masters- allen ginsberg NJC speaking of the 'woodstock' era, i was reading about allen ginsberg on the pbs american masters website...he was someone who i used to go to hear speak & perform in the village when i was a kid...he made a huge impact on the generation to follow... from the website: "Kerouac, Ginsberg and Burroughs found inspiration in jazz music and the culture that surrounded it. They encouraged a break from traditional values, supporting drug-use as a means of enlightenment. To many, their shabby dress and "hip" language seemed irresponsible, but in their actions could be found the seeds of a revolution that was meant to cast off the shackles of the calm and boring social life of the post-war era. While a nation tried desperately to keep from rocking the boat, Allen Ginsberg and the Beats saw the need for a more vibrant and daring society....More than any other American poet of the 20th century, Ginsberg used his popularity for social change. Coining the phrase "flower power," Ginsberg encouraged protesters of the 1960s to embrace a non-violent rebellion. By the 1970s, his fame had grown enormously, and though he cast aside drug use for an interest in Buddhism and yogic practices, he remained important to newly-formed youth movements." www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 00:30:42 -0700 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: american masters- allen ginsberg NJC He also makes a brief appearance in the promo film for subterranean homesick blues - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 12:28 AM To: Joni@Smoe. Org Subject: american masters- allen ginsberg NJC speaking of the 'woodstock' era, i was reading about allen ginsberg on the pbs american masters website...he was someone who i used to go to hear speak & perform in the village when i was a kid...he made a huge impact on the generation to follow... from the website: "Kerouac, Ginsberg and Burroughs found inspiration in jazz music and the culture that surrounded it. They encouraged a break from traditional values, supporting drug-use as a means of enlightenment. To many, their shabby dress and "hip" language seemed irresponsible, but in their actions could be found the seeds of a revolution that was meant to cast off the shackles of the calm and boring social life of the post-war era. While a nation tried desperately to keep from rocking the boat, Allen Ginsberg and the Beats saw the need for a more vibrant and daring society....More than any other American poet of the 20th century, Ginsberg used his popularity for social change. Coining the phrase "flower power," Ginsberg encouraged protesters of the 1960s to embrace a non-violent rebellion. By the 1970s, his fame had grown enormously, and though he cast aside drug use for an interest in Buddhism and yogic practices, he remained important to newly-formed youth movements." www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 03:35:39 -0400 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: Re: DOWN TO YOU First off WELCOME WELCOME to all new jmdlers..Believe me you came to the right place...I just wanted to comment on Down To You..Quite simply one of the greatest songs Joni has ever written..Now that im getting "older" I seem to be relating to the line "Old friends seem indifferent You must have brought that on Old bonds have broken down Love is gone Oooh love is gone Written on your spirit this sad song Love is gone" And i love the way she says garden gate later on with her adorable canadian accent.. hope you all are havin a great day!!*****kev**** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 03:46:12 -0400 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: LIQUID MELVIN I think it was Bob M who mentioned that he thought lead foot melvin was liquid melvin....I still sing liquid melvin..I cant break the habit..I catch myself but I still say liquid melvin...How strange Im wondering how many people actually hear liquid melvin..In Trouble Child when she says "i got this fold up sink" forever I heard (maybe Rose from NJ will understand this more) but I alwayd heard "ive got this disco absecon"(a town in south jersey) I dont know why I thought that but I did..And I pictured her boggying down at the jersey shore.. have a great day y'all..****kev**** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 10:32:29 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re Question NJC >>Kidding, of course. I believe it is an apostrophe, and it appears to be some weird "glitch" that happens sometimes, for instance when I edit something in Microsoft Word and then paste it to my email program. Don't know why it happens. Anyone?<< Not a glitch at all. I had this problem some time ago and someone here on the list pointed out the answer. If you paste your word document into a mail you get a problem because of the 'smart quotes' which come out as little oblongs. On the other hand if you go to 'Tools', 'auto correct' and then 'auto format as you type' and uncheck the 'use smart quotes' option you should be able to paste into an e-mail without problems. mike in bcn NP I thought I was a child - Jackson Browne PS I saw JB on Saturday night and Maria del Mar Bonet (Catalunya's nearest thing to Joni Mitchell) did a wonderful version, in Catalan, of 'Song For Adam' with JB and Xavier Mas on guitars. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 02:08:37 -0700 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: american masters- allen ginsberg NJC I would throw Bukowski in there with Kerrouac and Burroughs. Ham On Rye has got to be one of my favorite books, along with Post Office and Women. There's some funny stuff about Burroughs in Women too. Bukowski didn't think too highly of him. When the subject of beat poetry comes up I can't help thinking of that episode of The Munsters when the beatniks have a poetry reading in their house. Herman becomes the hit of the party with some impromptu verse. Ted - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of theodore Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 12:31 AM To: 'Kate Bennett' Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: american masters- allen ginsberg NJC He also makes a brief appearance in the promo film for subterranean homesick blues - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 12:28 AM To: Joni@Smoe. Org Subject: american masters- allen ginsberg NJC speaking of the 'woodstock' era, i was reading about allen ginsberg on the pbs american masters website...he was someone who i used to go to hear speak & perform in the village when i was a kid...he made a huge impact on the generation to follow... from the website: "Kerouac, Ginsberg and Burroughs found inspiration in jazz music and the culture that surrounded it. They encouraged a break from traditional values, supporting drug-use as a means of enlightenment. To many, their shabby dress and "hip" language seemed irresponsible, but in their actions could be found the seeds of a revolution that was meant to cast off the shackles of the calm and boring social life of the post-war era. While a nation tried desperately to keep from rocking the boat, Allen Ginsberg and the Beats saw the need for a more vibrant and daring society....More than any other American poet of the 20th century, Ginsberg used his popularity for social change. Coining the phrase "flower power," Ginsberg encouraged protesters of the 1960s to embrace a non-violent rebellion. By the 1970s, his fame had grown enormously, and though he cast aside drug use for an interest in Buddhism and yogic practices, he remained important to newly-formed youth movements." www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:05:03 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: NJC Stryngs' album - US/Canadian availability Final update on the Stryngs front... The first shipment of CDs has just left to wing its way to our US distributor... one Ashara Stansfield! Using Ashara (I've always wanted to say that :) saves some S&H costs, and ensures much quicker distribution of CDs over the pond. Accordingly, now that I know the full S&H costs, I've put a PayPal link on the site for US and Canadian users. The bad news is that as a UK CD imported into the USA, it's going to look pretty expensive compared to what you're all used to. We can't do much about this: the CD was expensive to make, and the S&H costs are plain unavoidable. The good news is that even if you order now, a CD should be with you in around two weeks. I'm told my shipment should land with Ashara in about 8 days time max, and from there it should take less than a week, assuming Ashara's not, er, out of town. I've also updated the MP3s on the site to reflect the final mixed and mastered versions of the tracks, and included **previously unreleased** MP3 song samples too. The Windows Media versions are yet to be updated, so grab the MP3s if you can. Finally: this is the last time I'll be advertising this on here - I've spammed the list enough times with updates and teasers. We are, suffice it to say, thrilled to have it all done and dusted, and excited to be able to finally share this with you all. Best regards, - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 07:53:31 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Kids liking Joni In a message dated 4/6/2003 11:53:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, gglimmer@altelco.net writes: > you know how it is....sniff around, get the 'lay of the > land' so to speak. I'm glad you liked the smell enough to post an introduction, Glorianna! Welcome, and I'm looking forward to hearing more from you. It's VERY cool to share the music you love with your kids. My son is 16, and he likes Joni OK, but we are both passionate about many of the same artists. Of course, in MY case, besides hearing Joni doing her songs, my Nathan has to listen to LOTS of covers as well. ;~) Bob NP: Joni & Refuge, "Chinese Cafe" Copenhagen 5/14/83 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 08:28:13 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Down to You Hi Kenny and welcome to the JMDL! I've been away, but just read your post about Down to You. I have the sheet music, and would be happy to send you a copy if you didn't already get one. Definitely one of my favorites and hearbreakingly poignant. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 08:31:35 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: RE: american masters- allen ginsberg NJC And Speaking of Dylan, Ginsberg makes an appearance on Renaldo and Clara. My favorite part of the film (aside from the stellar electric performances) is the footage of Dylan and Ginsberg going to visit Kerouac's grave in Massachusetts. GLad to be Back Blair >He also makes a brief appearance in the promo film for subterranean >homesick blues > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Kate >Bennett >Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 12:28 AM >To: Joni@Smoe. Org >Subject: american masters- allen ginsberg NJC > >speaking of the 'woodstock' era, i was reading about allen ginsberg on >the >pbs american masters website...he was someone who i used to go to hear >speak >& perform in the village when i was a kid...he made a huge impact on the >generation to follow... > >from the website: > >"Kerouac, Ginsberg and Burroughs found inspiration in jazz music and the >culture that surrounded it. They encouraged a break from traditional >values, >supporting drug-use as a means of enlightenment. To many, their shabby >dress >and "hip" language seemed irresponsible, but in their actions could be >found >the seeds of a revolution that was meant to cast off the shackles of the >calm and boring social life of the post-war era. While a nation tried >desperately to keep from rocking the boat, Allen Ginsberg and the Beats >saw >the need for a more vibrant and daring society....More than any other >American poet of the 20th century, Ginsberg used his popularity for >social >change. Coining the phrase "flower power," Ginsberg encouraged >protesters of >the 1960s to embrace a non-violent rebellion. By the 1970s, his fame had >grown enormously, and though he cast aside drug use for an interest in >Buddhism and yogic practices, he remained important to newly-formed >youth >movements." > >www.katebennett.com >"Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. >Brilliant writing, absolutely." >Indie-music.com _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 08:48:01 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Thursday Night at Jonifest Marilyn asked: > Ashara is the jonifest going to the Catskills again this year? > Yep. All the info is at: www.jonifest.com C'mon everyone!! Sign up now!!!!!!!! :-D Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 13:58:17 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: NJC Stryngs' album - US/Canadian availability Just in case it was unclear or muddled: ordering should be done via PayPal through our website (www.stryngs.com) and Ashara handles the fulfilment side of things. Do not send money to Ashara! Cheers, - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 09:48:03 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Joan Baez fans - njc From an email from my aunt back home: Joan Baez got great reviews for her Riviera show. Seems she went to visit her old home in Clarence Center where she moved from at age 9. She visited her former home for about an hour & friend took pictures of it so she could share with her mom later on. For their hospitality, Joan invited the current owners to the Concert with backstage passes, duplicates of photos & gift of her CD along with thank you note. It read "There couldn't be a nicer steward to my old home." "Thank you for your hospitality, and all the best to you and your family. Love, Joan Baez." She also acknowledged the young couple from the stage.. In a interview with The News she fondly recalled her childhood years in Clarence Center. " My (childhood snow and leaves memories all come from there.".... Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 09:59:53 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Joni on the radio Some have lamented the absence of Joni on the radio, and that's usually true. But once in a while... Back in 1975 a new radio station went on the air in my city. It was CKCU Carleton University, Ottawa. I was tuned in that evening when they turned on the "broadcasting tower". The very first sound heard was guess-what by you-know-who. Now 28 years later it's still on the air and on-line and still playing Joni. http://www.ckcufm.com/history.html I heard Smokin'-Empty,Try Another a couple of weeks ago. I'm lucky enough to live close enough to the US border that I can pick up NPR from Canton NY and a show called "Music for a Monday Afternoon" with Jackie Sauter. She plays Joni sometimes and lots of other great music. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 10:01:33 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: Kids liking Joni Just let it all gush out, Glorianna. Before I found this list last November, I had met (besides members of my own family) only three Joni fans in my life (I'm 46. Now, with help from various JMDLers, I have many CDs of unreleased Joni music which have occupied my CD changer all winter. I'm in heaven! Lots of "new" Joni music to enjoy, I never expected it. And lots of Joni fan(atic)s to talk to too. Doug daville72 wrote: > >I wasn't going to share my love with you all quite so soon, I thought I would >just lurk abit.....you know how it is....sniff around, get the 'lay of the >land' so to speak. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:57:57 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Stryngs' album - US/Canadian availability In a message dated 4/7/2003 8:58:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, chris@hatstand.org writes: > Do not send money to Ashara! > DO NOT listen to this man!! Send lots of money!! Often!! {hee hee} (Actually, if you are coming to Jonifest, you really *should* send me some money!!) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 12:00:49 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Ltd Edition of OCTOBER ROAD, njc In a message dated 4/6/2003 1:03:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > Has anyone heard the bonus > material? I have it, and I love it!!! :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 16:29:20 GMT From: Ruth Davis Subject: Joni/Judy I went thrift store shopping this weekend and purchased a copy of Judy Collins' Wildflowers. I was struck by two things - half the songs on the album are either written by Joni or by Leonard Cohen. There is a song on there by Cohen called "Priests". This got me thinking about Joni's "The Priest". I have always had a hunch that Joni wrote it about Cohen. Now, hearing their songs next to each other, sung by Judy Collins, I would bet money on it. The second thing is, hearing Judy sing BSN made me realize what a subtle singer Joni is. While I love Judy's voice on this album, her version of BSN has all the subtlety of a metronome. Joni, on the other hand, gives a thoughtful reading of those lines. Her phrasing is more conversational, like you can hear her pausing and briefly pondering a line. I guess I would say her style is more reflective. At least Joni probably made a lot of ciggie money off of Judy's version (hate that cheesey harpsichord!!) Ruth in Richmond ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:44:07 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Carnegie Hall '69 Is Joni's '69 Carnegie Hall performance available anywhere? (Hello Bob? Yes THAT Bob, no not THAT Bob). I learned about it watching the amazing PBS program which my local affiliate replayed yesterday. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 12:42:11 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Carnegie Hall '69 In a message dated 4/7/2003 11:44:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, davidsapp@peoplepc.com writes: > Is Joni's '69 Carnegie Hall performance available anywhere? Well, I can't speak for "anywhere", but I CAN confirm that *I* don't have it. '72 Carnegie Hall yes, '69 Carnegie Hall no. Bob NP: Joni, "Coyote" Milan, Italy 5/9/83 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 12:31:26 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: NJC/Games/Note to Bob Cool! I won! I won! Thanks JoniBob. And I guess this is as good a time as any to ask you if you'll sing a song with me at Jonifest. Is it too early to be putting together a set list?? See the attachment as there is a story related to the song I have in mind. Tushie >>> 4/5/2003 6:48:00 AM >>> Thanks one last time to everybody who took a stab at getting a free copy of my "Joni Covers, Volume 39" disc. Joining the winner's circle this time 'round are Donna "The Texas Tush" & Chris Treacy. They were the closest to my guess of "Lesson In Survival" from FTR. (Guess I had a little dubya on the brain...) If you didn't win a copy, but want one anyway, let me know and we'll work it out. And stay tuned as we'll move into our 4th decade of Joni covers in a month. Bob NP: Ani, "Little Plastic Castle" This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. Dear Jonibob, This letter is to ask if you would be kind enough to accompany me vocally on a John Prine song during my set this year at Jonifest 2003. I thought you might appreciate this story: I attended the John Prine concert in Houston, Tx (downtown) with a group of friends. The wonderful Iris Dement opened and did a heartfelt and beautiful set. Her music is reason enough to go downtown! John did a wonderful show including all of his oldies. When he did one from his new one called "Inspite of Ourselves" He told this story: "I wanted to write a song and have all my ex-girlfriends sing along with me. But since I couldn't do that (ha ha audience), I decided to write a song about all of 'em! So I wrote my good buddy Iris Dement to ask if she'd sing it with me, I told her some of the lyrics were questionable, but asked her would she do it anyway. So 2-3 weeks went by and I didn't hear from her so I called her and asked her again - and she said "Not while my mama's alive!" - But she did it anyway. - By the end of John Prine's show I was in tears and singing along when I looked over to find that all my friends were snoozing in their chairs.... I have seen him before, but this show was at a place where I have gotten autographs before, so I told my buds I'd get a cab... I sneaked to the loading dock, waited, they said I must go. Cold in the night air, I went around the corner where the cabs were, when suddenly a couple came bursting out of a side door laughing! I went to the door, knocked and the guy let me in! There was John signing autographs for about 10 people in a line. I got in line, and he signed my ticket stub, and 2 fly swatters (that say "there's flies in the kitchen, I can hear 'em buzzin"), I exited the building (as if I was supposed to have been there) and caught a cab to the house!! I called my sleepy friends to let them know! Ha!! The lyrics are questionable. But it will be fun. Your Bud, Donna Binkley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:02:23 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: please allow me to introduce...NJC Dear Blissful Emily, This is wonderful news! Congratulations to you and Courtney, and a warm welcome to Miss Samantha! It's always a happy day when a new jonifan makes her appearance. :-) So what music did you end up playing at the hospital? Debra Shea NPIMH: Circle Game as a lullabye Emily Gray Tedrowe wrote: > > my beautiful newborn daughter Samantha Elizabeth! > > born april 3, 2003 at 1:46 AM > > 8 lbs, 9 oz and 21 inches > > she's doing wonderfully--i'm feeling fine--and courtney and i are > revelling in the joys and exhaustions of first-time parenthood. > > just wanted to share our happiness with you! > > -- emily, in bliss here in chicago ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 12:09:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Larry D." Subject: Re: Diana Krall Singing Case of You I've never seen Ms. Krall in concert, but (as all of you likely know) she performed ACOY on the All-Star Joni Tribute TV special a couple years back and I thought it was one of the highlights of the program. Unlike most of the other performers, whose covers were faithful to the point of photocopy, La Krall actually managed to take the song somewhere else entirely than Joni had. IMHO, only Sweet Honey In The Rock's "Circle Game" rivalled Diana Krall's performance for sheer (to make up a word here) interestingness. Larry D www.larry-d.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:26:23 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Diana Krall Singing Case of You In a message dated 4/7/2003 2:09:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, ukulelelarry@yahoo.com writes: > IMHO, only Sweet Honey In The Rock's > "Circle Game" rivalled Diana Krall's performance for > sheer (to make up a word here) interestingness. I'd add Cyndi Lauper's electrifying/slow-burn take on Carey to that list as well. They were all well done, but these really took the songs beyond the normal interpretations. The CD of this show (songs only) is available to JMDL'ers who may be interested. Bob NP: Elvis Costello/Mingus Orchestra, "Self-Portrait In Three Colours" 9/28/01 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:30:32 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Mingus and TS Eliot Mark or Travis wrote: > > No Joni didn't say that in WOHAM but I recall reading it. I did > research it when I wrote the article that Les published on the JMDL > site and I'm fairly certain she said something close to that in more > than one interview. Condense the Bible? Paraphrase the Bible? I can imagine Joni saying either or both during the many times she's probably talked about Mingus. Plus I was relating what Sue Mingus said Joni's reps said Joni said over 30 years ago, so there's a little room for inaccuracy in there. :-) At least we agree that Joni had some trepidation about using the Bible as a source for lyrics. It's most interesting to me that she overcame that with "Love", and used the Bible as a source for other songs also. I imagine she enjoys and even seeks out creative challenges. ("What do I mean I can't condense/paraphrase/use the Bible? Of course I can!!! I'm Joni!!!") And then with "Slouching" she even modified an untouchable poet's words. She still hasn't tackled Eliot though. So, more to come I hope... I'd like to hear what she does with Eliot's "and know the place for the first time" line. Seems right up her alley. Debra Shea, in snowy NYC (how weird! beautiful but weird. Last week yellow daffodils and forsythia were in full bloom in Central Park... those first sure signs of Spring are sure no more.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 12:32:12 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: blue saw the pbs broadcast of WOHAM last night & this time i was actually awake for it all...the placement of her performance of Blue was sooooo intriguing to me.... i've mentioned this before- not too long ago someone told me that Blue may have been written for Graham...i resisted this initially because i'd always thought it was about James & of course Graham already had his song 'Willie'....in WOHAM, Joni mentions how theeir relationship was the seed for many songs from each of them...she also mentioned how her 'depression' probably created her greatest works... in WOHAM she is speaking about how her love for Graham took her by surprise but that in spite of this she could not marry him...then, the next thing you hear is Blue... when this happened it dawned on me that there might really be a connection between her relationship with Graham & this song which to me has always conveyed a deep & painful love that could not be completed...now i think perhaps the song may have been born from this painful decision she had to make between being anchored by love or sailing away into the unknown future to follow her muse...(indeed Graham mentions the 'goodbye' note she writes him from her travels with the sand metaphor) & that in the end she gives him this beautiful, sad, intimate song of love & longing- inside a shell, a sigh & a foggy lullaby... www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 11:45:26 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni/Judy - njc Speaking of Judy, she will be playing at The Myerhoff in Baltimore on Sunday, 4/13/2003. Baltimore isn't THAT far from Richmond, Ruthie! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:50:10 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: blue Kate Bennett wrote: >saw the pbs broadcast of WOHAM last night & this time i was actually awake >for it all...the placement of her performance of Blue was sooooo intriguing >to me.... > Kate, I would say that most of us thought her performance of Blue live was the best of the show. After 35 years Joni still amazes me. Jerry np: Cleo Laine - Not a Day Goes By ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:23:32 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: blue jerry >>I would say that most of us thought her performance of Blue live was the best of the show. After 35 years Joni still amazes me.<< yes, it was...the depth of emotion in her face, her inhabiting the song for lack of a better description, well i've never seen her perform at this level of intimacy before...was this the only time she ever performed Blue or the only time it's been captured on film? www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:55:28 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Down to You Hi, and thanks for the offer but I have someone who has told me he's sending that music over this way (something I was beginning to think didn't exist!) but thank you, just the same. Thanks for the reply; I appreciate everyone's efforts to help me in my search. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:11:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Stryngs' album - US/Canadian availability --- Chris Marshall wrote: > > "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding > you" > Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" > Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ By the way, what IS a bobblehat? There are those bobblehead dolls (icky things!) but what's a bobblehat? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:14:38 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: blue In a message dated 4/7/2003 5:24:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > was this the only time she ever performed Blue or the > only time it's been captured on film? > The only time on film. A live recording of Blue can be found on MOA among others. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 00:19:40 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: NJC Stryngs' album - US/Canadian availability On Tuesday, April 8, 2003, at 12:11 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > By the way, what IS a bobblehat? There are those > bobblehead dolls (icky things!) but what's a > bobblehat? Erm, it's a woolly hat, with a bobble on top. Er, that doesn't help. Cartman wears one. At least I think it's Cartman... - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 16:36:16 -0700 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: blue I don't understand why there is always this choice between staying with a guy and following her muse. Maybe I just don't understand the relationship or the guy, or being a woman, or all three. It seems to me that love should be a nurturing thing and that it should set you free not hold you back. I don't get the either\or choice. Maybe that's why I always wind up a just friends, although I kind of hope not. I don't think it's natural for me to be jealous or insecure about letting someone pursue their muse or their career. I know when I am it's because I'm afraid of losing them, or not being good enough, or being left alone. Fear for me leads to anger. I direct it outward or inward either way it's all wrong. It comes down to that Cheap Trick song "I Want You To Want ME!" I don't really even like being needed. Maybe that is what Joni felt that resentment that comes from knowing the other person needs you, especially when her muse really does demand a lot of energy. To write music, poetry, with her kind of honest intensity takes dedication, practice, soul searching. Also it seemed to me from listening to her talk about her art that she has a strong sense that she owes it to people who listen to her music to give them something that soars, that changes their lives, their thinking, their actions, that really makes the world a better place. To me it seems her change into a jazzier style is driven by a desire to find music that affords her freedom in poetry. She says musicians kept putting picket fences in her work, and, it's true I play rock and roll, it's the beat. Her move to a more "world" style follows the same lines. Western music is characterized by the down beat, it's always falling down. Where as African drumming is a conversation that differs from merely keeping time. A bassist like Jaco had the sensibilities to use the instrument to embellish Joni's melodies. The bassist in a rock band drives the bus, if there is a solo someone else will take it over, or the whole bus will stop like in my generation and then the whole band comes in together. Hendrix can do whatever the heck he wants on guitar because The Experience is SOLID. The Who have a different dynamic, really Pete's heavy simple chording lets John and Keith take off, Pete's solo work is brilliant because he plays it seamlessly out of the rhythm he sets up by using dynamics, and often times the song will transition with a guitar solo. The song doesn't lose intensity when he plays a solo even though The Who are a power trio. Later Pete uses synthesizers to add depth and tension. Anyway try playing Baba O'Reilly as a folk song, you have to rearrange the piece. Well that rambled on, but, I guess the point I'm trying to make is it makes sense to look at Joni's musical career through the lens of her artistic honesty and desire to move people with her basic tools, poetry set soaring in song. I think she makes this clear in WOHAM, first by her mention of the "crooners" and her description of the liberating aspect of Dylan's personal style of writing songs like "you've got a lot of nerve...," then by creating a style of guitar, "chords of inquiry" that affords her the space to elaborate more lyrically. This leads her in the direction of jazz, too bad people thought it out of character, because it's a natural progression. One thing that doesn't add up is why she gets the freedom she desires and it bums her out. To understand that we most likely have to sleep with Graham Nash and I don't like The Hollies that much! Ok ... if I offended any seasoned Joni fans, sorry, this is a Joni newbie's perspective. No WOHAM No Cry, Ted PS. I love the fact they ended with her going back and singing Both Sides Now, just terrific what she can bring to that vocal now after gaining so much wisdom. It's so true the more you know about life the deeper the mystery. I think it's that respect and faith in the renewal of creation that we call wisdom. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 12:32 PM To: Joni@Smoe. Org Subject: blue saw the pbs broadcast of WOHAM last night & this time i was actually awake for it all...the placement of her performance of Blue was sooooo intriguing to me.... i've mentioned this before- not too long ago someone told me that Blue may have been written for Graham...i resisted this initially because i'd always thought it was about James & of course Graham already had his song 'Willie'....in WOHAM, Joni mentions how theeir relationship was the seed for many songs from each of them...she also mentioned how her 'depression' probably created her greatest works... in WOHAM she is speaking about how her love for Graham took her by surprise but that in spite of this she could not marry him...then, the next thing you hear is Blue... when this happened it dawned on me that there might really be a connection between her relationship with Graham & this song which to me has always conveyed a deep & painful love that could not be completed...now i think perhaps the song may have been born from this painful decision she had to make between being anchored by love or sailing away into the unknown future to follow her muse...(indeed Graham mentions the 'goodbye' note she writes him from her travels with the sand metaphor) & that in the end she gives him this beautiful, sad, intimate song of love & longing- inside a shell, a sigh & a foggy lullaby... www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:42:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Stryngs' album - US/Canadian availability --- Chris Marshall wrote: > On Tuesday, April 8, 2003, at 12:11 AM, Catherine > McKay wrote: > > By the way, what IS a bobblehat? There are those > > bobblehead dolls (icky things!) but what's a > > bobblehat? > > Erm, it's a woolly hat, with a bobble on top. Er, > that > doesn't help. > > Cartman wears one. At least I think it's Cartman... Like a toque - gotcha. Cartman is the fat one. Kenny is the dead one. I can never figure out who the others are. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:19:31 -0700 From: "Kerry Berghoff" Subject: All over for Joni Hello everyone! Like most of you, I sat, enthralled, while watching the PBS special last week (too uplifted to cry, even from happiness). I was disappointed with the lack of info on (let me rephrase that - ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION OF) JT and HOSL, but the abundance of beautiful photos and footage made up for it in my mind (although I am still curious.). Anyway, I just wanted to add my two cents to the debate over whether Joni is done with the composing, recording and performing phase of her career. I got absolutely no indication of that whatsoever, and finished watching the program in good spirits about what will come next for Joni. I don't think the fact that she has been reunited with what was missing in her life - her daughter - will completely deaden and dull her senses. Despite having found Kilauren, there will still be ups and downs in her life (like everyone else), and probably inspiration and desire to write as well. Take care! Kerry K (the other Kerry on the list.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:35:43 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Down to You Hi, and thanks for the offer but I have someone who has told me he's sending that music over this way (something I was beginning to think didn't exist!). Thanks for the reply; I appreciate everyone's efforts to help me in my search. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:35:46 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Down to You Hi, Ashara I tried to reply to your note before but my server appeared to be down; if you get a dupicate of this, you'll know why. I appreciate your offer (and that of several other fans) but I do have one fellow who has said he'll be sending me the music (something that I was beginning to wonder if it really existed!) Thanks to all for your help in my quest. (Now, all I have to do is learn how to play it.) Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:36:05 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Mark McMath << In a message dated 4/6/2003 1:57:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GRISEM@loras.edu writes: > Does anybody know if she looks at all like > Mark MacMath? Hi Emily, There's some video of Brad (not Mark) MacMath in the video trees, I see more Joni genes in Kilauren that Brad genes. And at least you got his last name right, I think it was Janine who referred to him as Mark McGrath, who is the lead singer for Sugar Ray. I'm sure he'd be shocked to hear that he's fathered a child with Joni Mitchell! :~) Thanks for the post - keep 'em coming. Bob NP: Travels With Charley, "Carey" So, I join the Joni fan site and finally find out who the father of the baby was. Thanks to all for that info. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:36:07 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Our kids getting hooked on Joni In a message dated 4/7/03 3:00:52 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << Hello to the "Joni List" I am new here, just joined after watching Woman of Heart and Mind on Wednesday nite. I was enthralledby that program! I cried, I laughed, I was in heaven. I have been in love with Joni Mitchell for a very long time. But I have been a loner in my love for her. Now through the magic of the internet, I have found a community that shares my love. I wasn't going to share my love with you all quite so soon, I thought I would just lurk abit.....you know how it is....sniff around, get the 'lay of the land' so to speak. But I just couldn't resist after reading the comment (copied above) by Catherine regarding kids finally listening to Joni. I wanted to share that: This has happened for me! My 17 year old daughter actually plays Joni Mitchell! She listened to Blue one night with me and now she listens to that CD often! She watched the PBS special with me and so I expect that eventually she'll listen to them all. It is a great feeling to have your child appreciate an artist that you value so highly. So folks, that's it....my contribution to the list. Thanks for listening. Glorianna G. >> Welcome, Glorianna, I'm kind of new here myself. After reading these reports of fans' kids getting involved in Joni, I have to relate the night my son came over to our place specifically to listen to some Joni. After all the years of hearing me play her music, he never really showed much interest. He's a (high school English) teacher and another teacher had mentioned Joni's lyrics to him and told him he should check them out. So, here we were, late at night, listening to album after album of Joni, reading all the lyrics (thank God I've got the vinyl so the type is larger) until I finally said, "Hey, I've got to go to work tomorrow. Turn off the stereo and the light before you leave" and I went to bed. I think he gained a new respect for Joni after that night. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:49:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Little Bird Subject: Billie Holiday on PBS (njc) Another great PBS special on Billie Holiday tomorrow night. It's called "Strange Fruit" - a song Holiday recorded in 1939 about black lynchings. Here's a brief synopsis about the film: "Strange Fruit, airing at 10 Tuesday night as part of PBS' Independent Lens series, also seeks to fit the song into the important but sometimes uneasy cultural and political alliance between black and Jewish America." Sounds interesting! - -Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:32:13 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: please allow me to introduce...NJC dear emily and courtney: i wish you the happiest of congratulations, and much fortune to samliz... i've been thinking about you folks, knowing that your big day was getting very close. and thank you so much for sharing with your joni-friends. and the seasons, they go round and round... patrick np - kronos quartet - nuevo >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Emily >Gray Tedrowe >Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 11:20 AM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: please allow me to introduce...NJC > > >my beautiful newborn daughter Samantha Elizabeth! > >born april 3, 2003 at 1:46 AM > >8 lbs, 9 oz and 21 inches > >she's doing wonderfully--i'm feeling fine--and courtney and i are >revelling in the joys and exhaustions of first-time parenthood. > >just wanted to share our happiness with you! > >-- emily, in bliss here in chicago ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 23:00:40 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: A Public 'THANK YOU", long, 100% JC Hey Simon, I want to say "thank you" on behalf of my local public radio station. Let me explain. A month ago, they announced that the Saturday morning salute was going to spotlight "the career of James Taylor with rarely heard tracks". I smiled quietly. On the day of the show, I made two copies of the newly remastered BBC appearance of Joni and JT in 1970. About half way through the show, the dj, Brian, had played stuff from "Flag"; he had played "Knocking Around the Zoo" from the Flying Machine; he played "Mockingbird" from the "No Nukes" show. I smiled again. I drove out to Northern Kentucky University and walked up to the 3rd floor. I walked into the air studio and said, "Hi. Have you played 'Steamroller Blues'? I have the definitive live version of 'Steamroller' for ya. At the BBC in 1970 he tells the story behind the song.... It's a joke, ya know?" Brian said, "Uhh. Yeah. I know." "Have you played it? Here's a newly remastered version, from an actual transcription disc." "Who are you?" Brian asked as he popped into a preview player and slipped on headphones. "Me? Oh, I'm a friend of Nikki's (Nikki Dakota, the dj.) I used ta come up and 'talk music' with her, before she went to the Dayton station. I'm Lama." "Lama," Brian said, nodding. "Yeah. Anyway, this disc was recorded from a transcription disc, played on an audiophile turntable, a Mark Levinson phono preamp, into an oversampling converter by the archivist of the Joni Mitchell Internet Community." "Wow. Oh, wow. The station used to *HAVE* this record!" I said, "Sure. It was widely circulated." "Oh, gees. I've been *LOOKING* for this!!" "Well," I said, "It's come back to you." "Yeah, but..... Is this for the station or is this for me?" "Well...." I started. I smiled again. "As a matter of fact.... I have a second copy here for you. There's one for you and one for the station." "Oh gees, thanks!" After I got home, there were only 10 minutes left in the show. I was surprised he hadn't used the BBC show yet. I shouldn't have worried. He closed the show with the intro & the BBC version of "Steamroller Blues", then something new from "October Road". Something old and something new to close the show. Thanks, Simon. You rock. It's kinda satisfying to help get the word out, ya know? Lama ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #223 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)