From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #221 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, April 6 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 221 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Library Links: April 6 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: woman of heart and mind [RoseMJoy@aol.com] SJC Diana Krall ["Gillian Apter" ] Re: SJC Diana Krall ["hell" ] Re: Aussie Members ["hell" ] NJC Re: Joni, then and now / Mark, then & Now [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] please allow me to introduce...NJC [Emily Gray Tedrowe ] Re: please allow me to introduce...NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: please allow me to introduce...NJC [colin ] American Masters ["Emily Griskavich" ] Joni in Spain [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= ] RE: woman of heart and mind njc now ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Brian Stoltz, njc [Michael Paz ] Re: Woman of Heart and Mind [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Jack Neilson CD Review (NJC) [Michael Paz ] RE: woman of heart and mind njc now ["theodore" ] Re: Down to You [Michael Paz ] Re: Marian in austriaNJC [Michael Paz ] Re: please allow me to introduce...NJC [Michael Paz ] RE: Re: Mingus and TS Eliot ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] paving paradise NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Re: Mingus and TS Eliot ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] FILM PERSON SEARCH [SoulQuest7@aol.com] Re: Ltd Edition of OCTOBER ROAD, njc ["Music Is Special" She can really paint too. I wonder of any of you know if her paintings > are in galleries or if she has shows for her artwork? Yes, Ted there have been exhibits of Joni's work. The most recent was held at the Mendel Gallery in Saskatoon,Saskatchewan, Canada in the fall of 2000 for which I am still kicking myself in the arse for not having been able to attend. There is a book of her beautiful paintings for sale at the gallery titled "Voices". u can still purchase the book, I believe from the gallery at...http://www.mendel.ca/shop/ You may also view some of the paintings that were on exhibit at www.Jonimitchell.com. Choose with frame index, then at the left tab, click on galleries, then "more from the Mendel". Make sure that you maximize your screen so that u get the arrow link at the bottom of the page to go thru the paintings. rosie in nj In the morning there are lovers in the street They look so high You brush against a stranger And you both apologize ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 10:57:41 +0200 From: "Gillian Apter" Subject: SJC Diana Krall I saw Diana Krall perform in Madrid last September. She had a cold, which was a shame 'cos her voice was a bit strained. Lovely, calm and light stage manner, good rapport with audience, and what I wanted to be my highlight of the evening, A CASE OF YOU, certainly was. I held my breath throughout the whole song. Maybe. I'm biased, but, I don't think Krall put the same emotion into her other songs, OK, they were different, as she did with ACOY. It was clear just how much she adores Joni. The piano on this version is so sublime (but what a helluva player she is), the depth of the emotion, the phrasing, a pure, pure love song. Unfortunately, unlike the New Zealanders, Kerry, Spaniards do have an annoying habit of coughing, and shifting about in their chairs no matter what type of concert they go to, so that pissed me off a bit, especially since her version of ACOY is sprinkled with wonderful silences. I love Spain, but that's is one of the things I would love to change: behaviour at concerts, films, etc. Someone always has to make a noise!!! Peace gill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 23:26:54 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: SJC Diana Krall Gill wrote: > I saw Diana Krall perform in Madrid last September. She had a cold, which was > a shame 'cos her voice was a bit strained. Lovely, calm and light stage > manner, good rapport with audience, and what I wanted to be my highlight of > the evening, A CASE OF YOU, certainly was. I held my breath throughout the > whole song. Maybe. I'm biased, but, I don't think Krall put the same emotion > into her other songs, OK, they were different, as she did with ACOY. It was > clear just how much she adores Joni. The piano on this version is so sublime > (but what a helluva player she is), the depth of the emotion, the phrasing, a > pure, pure love song. I have to agree with you - Diana Krall's performance of ACOY was absolutely sublime, and it was a step above the rest of her performance that night (which was still wonderful). The stage was dark, except for a single spotlight on her and the piano. She played a long introduction to the song, and to be honest I was thinking "Yes, it's ACOY", then "Oh, no it's not" for quite some time. But as she sang the first few words "Just before our love got lost....." I think the only noise in the audience was me gasping and suddenly whispering to Kerry, "Oh my god, it IS!" And I would say she is definitely a big Joni fan - BSN was playing over the speakers as the audience left that night! > Unfortunately, unlike the New Zealanders, Kerry, Spaniards do have an annoying > habit of coughing, and shifting about in their chairs no matter what type of > concert they go to, so that pissed me off a bit, especially since her > version of ACOY is sprinkled with wonderful silences. The audience was amazing that night and it was in a fairly large theatre, where you'd expect to hear a little noise. But they were somewhat older than at other music concerts I've been too, and very respectful. Plus she was performing with the Auckland Philharmonic Orchestra, which may have attracted a somewhat different crowd! I wouldn't say it's the norm here at all. In January we saw Dave Dobbyn and Lucy Lawless (of Xena fame - yes, she can sing!) in a relatively small garden bar, and while they were great, the audience left something to be desired. Especially the young guys standing right behind me, who (if their comments were anything to go by) were obviously there to SEE Lucy, not hear her or Dave! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 23:38:06 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Aussie Members Don wrote: > I am an aussie member, just new to this but I am looking for any other aussie > members. are tape trees (video) out there can be used on aussie TV (PAL D) as > we use a different format to USA (NTSC). > > we seem to be out inthe cold down here. Welcome to the list, Don, from your neighbour in NZ. You're right, the tape trees are mostly NTSC, and we have to pay extra for someone to convert them. But there are a couple of commercial releases that may be available - Come In From The Cold (a collection of video clips etc.) and Painting With Words And Music (a concert recorded a couple of years ago). I've bought these in NZ, so I know they're available in PAL format. Another option - some of the newer video recorders can play NTSC tapes. You'll get a little static, or some distortion, but they do work. I've managed to play a couple of things from the US without too much difficulty. Hell (in Auckland) ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 09:12:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Joni, then and now / Mark, then & Now In a message dated 4/6/2003 12:23:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > I'm certainly glad there isn't somebody keeping track of > everything I say and then calling me on the carpet about it later when > I *seem* to contradict myself. But Mark, back on October 9, 2001 you wrote: "I wish someone was keeping track of everything I said so that over time they can use my words to justify their own opinions about my posts"* So you see, now you're contradicting what you said earlier. PLEASE try and do a better job of being consistent. :~) Bob NP: Andrew Hardin, "Just Like This Train" *not really a Mark quote - just the SCJoniguy being silly. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 11:19:31 -0400 From: Emily Gray Tedrowe Subject: please allow me to introduce...NJC my beautiful newborn daughter Samantha Elizabeth! born april 3, 2003 at 1:46 AM 8 lbs, 9 oz and 21 inches she's doing wonderfully--i'm feeling fine--and courtney and i are revelling in the joys and exhaustions of first-time parenthood. just wanted to share our happiness with you! - -- emily, in bliss here in chicago ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 11:24:22 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: please allow me to introduce...NJC awe....congrats on your new little bundle of joy, and welcome Samantha into the world rosie in nj In the morning there are lovers in the street They look so high You brush against a stranger And you both apologize ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 16:58:50 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: please allow me to introduce...NJC What wonderful news Emily. i am so pleased for you both, or three. Samantha Elizabeth. guess what? My fave tv character is Samantha from Bewitched and she was played by Elizabeth Mongomery! Emily Gray Tedrowe wrote: >my beautiful newborn daughter Samantha Elizabeth! > >born april 3, 2003 at 1:46 AM > >8 lbs, 9 oz and 21 inches > >she's doing wonderfully--i'm feeling fine--and courtney and i are >revelling in the joys and exhaustions of first-time parenthood. > >just wanted to share our happiness with you! > >-- emily, in bliss here in chicago ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 12:03:18 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: please allow me to introduce...NJC I just realized Emily that your daughter was born on my granddaughter Anastasia's birthday... In the morning there are lovers in the street They look so high You brush against a stranger And you both apologize ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 09:04:37 -0700 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: please allow me to introduce...NJC If the kid starts twinkling its nose, be very concerned - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of colin Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 8:59 AM To: Emily Gray Tedrowe Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: please allow me to introduce...NJC What wonderful news Emily. i am so pleased for you both, or three. Samantha Elizabeth. guess what? My fave tv character is Samantha from Bewitched and she was played by Elizabeth Mongomery! Emily Gray Tedrowe wrote: >my beautiful newborn daughter Samantha Elizabeth! > >born april 3, 2003 at 1:46 AM > >8 lbs, 9 oz and 21 inches > >she's doing wonderfully--i'm feeling fine--and courtney and i are >revelling in the joys and exhaustions of first-time parenthood. > >just wanted to share our happiness with you! > >-- emily, in bliss here in chicago ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 12:04:32 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: please allow me to introduce...NJC Congratulations! A beautiful name....... Victor, enjoying a beautiful day off...drinking Bloody Mary's, hanging out on the deck listening to Bob Marley, cooking omelets...life is beautiful > > my beautiful newborn daughter Samantha Elizabeth! Victor Johnson waytoblu@mindspring.com Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" this spring! Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 10:02:02 -0600 From: twoshoes@sasktel.net Subject: joni life and times One thing that stood out in the bio was Joni saying (I paraphrase) That she intended for her songs to change people's lives, To make a difference to people. I'd always thought it was all about artful self-expression, but when she said this it did seem a little as if she thought of herself as a bit of a life guru. Kate du Nord - -- http://xoetc.antville.org A Living Storybook ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 12:15:57 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: question Why do some people's computers type that funny little square O, which I am clueless as to what it represents and thrn cannot decipher the word. Is it an apostrophe? Is it some sort of symbol I am unaware of? It is not on my keyboard and it continually mystifies me. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 12:29:39 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Me and Joni (Long Essay) In a message dated 4/6/03 12:26:28 AM, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << This was wonderful from beginning to end, Kenny. Can I save this and send it to people who refer to Joni's stuff as 'chick music'? :-) Absolutely! You know, there are just some guys who can't be sensitive or consider it a sign of weakness. And don't get me wrong; I like to rock with the best of 'em... ever listened to "Mercury Blues" by David Lindley, at full volume? But when you want some deep feeling, meaningful lyrics and gorgeous arrangements, it's time for Joni. Seriously though, I did enjoy reading your history with Joni and finding a bit out about you. Please keep the posts coming. Glad I added a little something new to the site. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 09:33:03 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC Re: Joni, then and now / Mark, then & Now I'm certainly glad there isn't somebody keeping track of everything I say and then calling me on the carpet about it later when I *seem* to contradict myself. But Mark, back on October 9, 2001 you wrote: "I wish someone was keeping track of everything I said so that over time they can use my words to justify their own opinions about my posts"* So you see, now you're contradicting what you said earlier. PLEASE try and do a better job of being consistent. :~) Ok, Muller, two can play at that game. On May 2, 2001 SCJoniGuy wrote: I just love "Dancin' Clown". I wish Joni would write more songs like that one & record them with lots of synthesizers and maybe have Mendoza add one of his wonderful orchestrations. This song more than any other describes what it's like to be Bob Muller. It touches my very soul. "Whenever hearts start to pound Someone's a dancin' clown" ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 12:58:15 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni the Ingenue and her "Ingenue Songs" Bob Muller replied: > On the other hand - songs like "You're My Thrill", "At Last" (at last, my > love has come along, my lonely days are over, and life is like a happy > song), > "Answer Me My Love", seem to DEFINITELY be ingenue songs. And you know > there > may be more...love songs with a girlish sensibility to them. > > WOA ! I may be onto something here. I think this whole thing may be primarily a semantic difference. The difference in perspective seems to me to be largely between the protagonist's role in the song, and the artfulness of the song itself. In the early stages of love (which, of course, Joni was trying to capture with the first two songs mentioned above), and even in some of the more trying times (where one's broken self-confidence can reduce a person to rubble, as in Answer Me), most of us act and feel like youths, even well beyond what would normally be regarded as our "ingenue" years (is there a male counterpart to that word ?). Trying to capture that vulnerability, which is most often but not exclusively found in the realm of youth's innocence, transcends the general sense of "ingenue" for me. On the other hand, I think that lines like "I'd like to buy you everything, a wooden bird with painted wings, a window full of colored rings, in Morning Morgantown" have both the emotional and artistic (lyrically speaking) substance of an ingenue. Like the NY Times reviewer of the Wall to Wall event said, some of Joni's lines would be viewed as terribly precious if they came from a lesser person. That said, Joni played the quintessential ingenue into her late 20's. I mean, at least through 1972 (she was 26 for the Pink Dress concert, and 27 for the JT BBC concert). Since I love Morning Morgantown as a song, perhaps I should pick on the Beatles (about whom I was also fanatical before Joni), and their "She Loves You, yeah yeah yeah,, you think you lost your love I saw her yesterday It's you she's thinking of, and she told me what to say, She says she loves you" Or "I wanna Hold your hand", both of which were even more precious and immature than Morning Morgantown. Which brings me to the other aspect. When Joni was referring to her early work as being ingenue work, I believe that she was referring to the innocence of the art itself, as well as to its content. Some (not all) of the songs were simpler (in their structure musically, and in their substance poetically) than her later work, and she feels that they were less evolved artistically because she had not yet fully developed her palette. So, she felt the irony of being admired partly because people could grasp her early songs better (and partly because she herself milked the part of the ingenue in presenting them ?) (and in part because people like to stay in or revisist the innocence of their youth ?), while her later work, which was higher art and had shed its ingenue aspects in substance and presentation, was not as well received (at least, initially). The songs you cite are surely not the work of ingenue composers and lyricists (one possible reason why some of us - myself included - were a bit puzzled by your classification). Particularly so musically. And, one could argue that even though the subject is infatuation, there is a difference - perhaps even a disconnect - between infatuation and the ingenue. (Sort of like ingenue belongs in a subset of the realm of infatuation - all ingenues get infatuated, but not all who get infatuated are ingenues). An interesting puzzle for me is why Joni's two contributions to this record (and who could argue with these choices ?) seem to have come from her "ingenue period". Both Sides now is a very simple work, musically - but "all the sparks connected", as Crosby said. And while it could be argued that Blue as an album marked the beginning of Joni's 'loss of innocence' , A Case of You (for all of its virtuosity) was still firmly entrenched in that era. Perhaps, ultimately, the essence of art lies not its technical merit, but in the capturing of those things that belong to our lives and our spirit in the barest, the most distilled, the purest form. Perhaps that's why Joni chose The Circle Game to close Travelogue. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 13:39:44 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Joni in my mind For the fourth or fifth day in a row I wake up and I have a Joni song playing in my mind. . Today it was Court and Spark Yesterday it was Night in the City. . . I haven't even heard these songs lately. . .oh, maybe on the pbs special. I don't know. . . but they are just playing in my mind as if I have them on. . . a lot of things going on up there. . . Marianne _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 12:56:10 -0500 From: "Emily Griskavich" Subject: American Masters I finally finished my videotape of Wed. night's episode of "American Masters." (I'm busy, so it took me a long time.) The cable sattelite dish on my college campus is always a little off, so some of our channels come in pretty bad, and PBS is the worst. I watched the show through heavy snow and static so loud I couldn't really understand what Joni and the others were saying! I turned on the subtitles, but since those are coming over the same wavelength, they were pretty messed up, too! Between the sound and the subtitles, I managed to understand almost all of the spoken words, but not much of the song lyrics. : ( Like many of you, I think HOSL and her affair with JT were glaring omissions. Does either James or Joni not want to talk about it? I was so glad to see pictures of Kilauren and her kids; I only recently became a fan and I'd never seen pictures before. She looks quite a bit like Joni, but not completely. Does anybody know if she looks at all like Mark MacMath? The most intriguing album I learned about in the whole show was her work with Mingus. I hardly ever have money to buy things for entertainment, but I'm definitely putting that album on my Christmas list. The "American Masters" website says that blues musician Muddy Waters will be the subject of the next episode on April 28, for those of you who are fans of his. Peace to everyone. Emily ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 20:10:52 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Joni in Spain Hi, folks! It's a wonder sunny sunday, so I'm in the mood to tell you something As you know by now, specially Mike and Gill, Joni's presence in my country is almost null: she has never given a concert here, although were announced at Sevilla in 1991, at some very special concerts presenting the 1992 World exhibition. I remember, from my old university days, I friend of mine: he was punk / neo gothic ('twas around 1981, you know): when I told him that I loved Joni's music, het told me he have seen HER strolling through the streets of Santiago de Compostela (where I studied Philosophy), near the cathedral, and entering Sargadelos's shop (a very artistic and socially engaged project, devoted over all at ceramics and that is maybe the most modern and typical representation of Galician country) As you know, Santiago (Saint James) de Compostela is one of the most important centres of pilgrimage in Europe (possibily only Rome is most important; as everyone should know: she's a pilgrim: a high-class (understanding this in no social level ways) pilgrim. Needless to say, I opened my eyes wide at hearing this, and I really felt one of those strong-good-will-Envies! :-) That galician journey of our Queen, it must have been around 1980 / '82 Good week to you all! NP: Caetano Veloso: Cucurrucucu Paloma ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 11:11:22 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: please allow me to introduce...NJC Welcome to the world, Samantha E! Welcome to parenthood, Emily! Emily Gray Tedrowe wrote: > my beautiful newborn daughter Samantha Elizabeth! > > born april 3, 2003 at 1:46 AM > > 8 lbs, 9 oz and 21 inches > > she's doing wonderfully--i'm feeling fine--and courtney and i are > revelling in the joys and exhaustions of first-time parenthood. > > just wanted to share our happiness with you! > > -- emily, in bliss here in chicago ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 14:23:50 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Cold Blue Steel I learned CBS&SF on the guitar last night - I don't know why I haven't picked it up before. Anyway, I recall Joni saying that she felt she didn't really have the right voice for that song back then, that it wasn' t weathered enough. Well, I feel a bit like Eric Anderson (or was it Tom Rush - I do not recall) when he said that Joni said The Circle Game sucked and it was, like, one of the best songs he had ever heard. I feel her voice on that song is the siren "Sweet Fire" calling to her captain CBS, leading him to crash on the rocks of heroin. Every time I hear that song, my body tenses a bit at the beginning and then I go into a trance. What a great piece of art. Geesh. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 13:31:06 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC Stryngs news - the album is available (in the UK...) Yippie! I am so happy for you Chris. Congrats and hope you sell millions of them. My auntie Ashara is gonna put me on the "send to" list as soon as they are available. Hope to see you in August! Love Paz > I've been babbling on to you guys for ages about our > album, but THIS IS IT! It's finished - recorded, mixed, > mastered, manufactured - the whole shebang. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 13:33:26 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: BD njc And a HappY fecking Birthday to you young lady. I am right behind you (excuse me) at 48, but I feel 29 today with a big old smile on my face. I will drink a martuni or two for ya tonight at 5:30ish. Best to you Love Paz NP-Hanging By A Thread-Nicklecreek > Today is my birthday. > > so, Happy frikkin' birthday to me.. > > I wouldn't mention it at all but it's a big, bad one. 50. L. 25*2. 5*5*2. If I > didn't say it out loud, I'd have to slit my throat. Instead I'm drinking > whine, which is better than whining drink. > > > > > Catherine > Toronto > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 11:44:29 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: woman of heart and mind njc now > Woodstock just because to me that is a mythical time, I was 4 or 3. < i was there & looking back i'd say in some ways it does appear to be that way but in reality there was much going on that was horrible...the war is what i believe helped create a counter culture of peace & love idealism... > Being a gen xer I have always felt a little let down by the older generation that seemed to have all these great ideals but then just turned around and spit on our generation with like harsh repression, like they were the only ones who could explore or get high and now everyone has to live these straight lame lives and support killing for peace and Reagan and bush and bush.< it is impossible to paint a whole generation of people with one brush stroke...i have said this before & i'll say it again- there are many from that generation (my generation) who have remained true to their ideals & have dedicated their lives to making the world a better place for people of all ages...many many many many many many do not support this war nor are we/they living straight lame lives :~} www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 13:47:56 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Woman of Heart and Mind You just better bite your tongue! What the hell do you mean completed her work??? She will be working still after a lot of us are pushing up daises. At least I hope so anyways. Anyways I know what you mean with the grandkids and all and it was such a beautiful image. I really loved the show very much. I think it should be the video equivalent of an "overture" though. At 90 minutes it was barely enough time to talk about any one piece of her work or life. I think Ms. Lacy should carry on and do the other 11 parts. There were so many moments that struck me so hard. Especially Graham and David talking about her. I love Malva talking about her. Her respect and awe were transparent. The images of Mingus were what made me cry the most, especially his laugh (as I did thru most of program, being a big butch sissy kindofa guy). The beauty was just so amazing. I got to see it the night of with a very dear friend and we both just gushed throughout the whole thing as well as wished for a commercial so we could catch our breath. Mikey taped it for me at home in case I was not able to catch it cause I was suppose to be at a gig (tee hee) and another friend (co-producer from Louisiana JukeBox) just bought a direct to DVD burner and he burned it for me. I can't wait to see the real thing on DVD cause the transmission locally was marred by some horizontal noise in the picture that was a little distracting. I am so happy that so many people are buying up here records and getting turned on to her. Ahhhhhhhhhhh, Paz NP-It Can Happen-Yes > Now, that I've washed my face of the tears streaming down my > face........let's start the thread going........ > That Joni, God I love her honesty..... > loved the ending with the grandbabies. > yeah, she's completed her work > > rosie in nj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 13:53:34 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Brian Stoltz, njc If you will think back (or scan the archives) back to me posting about who was going be playing at PazFest in New Orleans May 2000, I did post about this. You know I can't keep my mouth shut about stuff like this. He also has a new record out (check out his website at brianstoltz.com) which is a muthafucka and he just produced a new album for Rockin' Jake who played Atty May's in Plum Island 2 years ago. Here's a few other things he has done BESIDES play with me... Love Paz Tab Benoit Wetlands (2002) Guitar, Vocals Edie Brickell Picture Perfect Morning (1994) Guitar, Guitar (Electric) Jimmy Buffett Boats, Beaches, Bars & Ballads (1992) Guitar Bob Dylan Oh Mercy (1989) Guitar Bob Dylan Best of Bob Dylan (1997) Guitar The Meters Fiyo at the Fillmore, Vol. 1 (2003) Guitar, Vocals The Neville Brothers Nevillization II: Live at... (1982) Guitar The Neville Brothers Neville-ization (1984) Guitar The Neville Brothers Uptown (1987) Guitar, Piano The Neville Brothers Yellow Moon (1989) Guitar, Percussion, Vocals (bckgr) The Neville Brothers Brother's Keeper (1990) Guitar (Acoustic), Keyboards The Neville Brothers Uptown Rulin': The Best of the... (1999) Guitar, Percussion, Vocals (bckgr) Aaron Neville Warm Your Heart (1991) Guitar, Percussion, Vocals (bckgr) Aaron Neville Ultimate Collection (2001) Guitar, Percussion, Vocals (bckgr) Aaron Neville Orchid in the Storm [Bonus Tracks] (2003) Guitar Anders Osborne Bury the Hatchet (2002) Vocals (bckgr) Zachary Richard Women in the Room (1990) Guitar Zachary Richard Snake Bite Love (1992) Guitar Zachary Richard Silver Jubilee: Best of Zachary... (2000) Guitar Linda Ronstadt We Ran (1998) Guitar Linda Ronstadt Linda Ronstadt Box Set (1999) Guitar Various Artists Strike a Deep Chord: Blues Guitars (1992) Guitar Various Artists Put on Your Green Shoes (1993) Guitar, Vocals (bckgr) Various Artists Big Blues Extravaganza: The Best... (1998) Guitar Various Artists Vdgra Raggarna Benzin - Punk Fren... (1998) Guitar Various Artists Preachin' the Blues: The Music of... (2002) Guitar, Vocals Various Artists New Orleans Gospel Tent (2002) Synthesizer, Guitar, Arranger, Producer Various Artists Salute to the Delta Blues Masters (2002) Guitar, Vocals > Paz, > > How come you never told us that your friends Cyril Neville and Brian Stoltz > were on a little record called "Oh Mercy"? > > I was reading bobdylan.com when you were lurking a couple of months back and > I nearly soiled myself. > > What's yer PROBLEM? > > :) > > Lama > > PS, Hear Bob Dylan's guitarist, Brian Stoltz, stretch out on Joni's > "Hejira". It's on the "PazFest" fundraiser for charity. 2 CDs, $30 USD. > www.jmdl.com for details. Rumor has it the still photos are amazing. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 14:52:11 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Woman of Heart and Mind In a message dated 4/6/03 2:46:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michael@thepazgroup.com writes: > You just better bite your tongue! What the hell do you mean completed her > work??? I think that's the message she was trying to send to us Mikey, I pray it ain't so though. I hope that love sucks her back in again..... Dear God, please send somebody to Joni, so that she can love/be loved/ write/sing about it. In all seriousness though, I wish her all the best that life has to offer...... she's deserving of that. rosie in NJ In the morning there are lovers in the street They look so high You brush against a stranger And you both apologize ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 14:03:29 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jack Neilson CD Review (NJC) Thanks Kakki. I know I know but this guy just pisses me off. Does he think we will think he is a big wimp if he likes warm and fuzzy music?? Critics just kill me sometimes and make me wanna kill them. Love Paz NP-I Would Have Waited Forever-Yes > Hey Michael, > > I just read the review and it didn't sound too bad overall. To me, it kind > of came across as if the guy knew it was *really* good on every level but he > couldn't stand to admit it for some odd reason! He admits it is excellent in > many ways and then tosses it off. At any rate, I thought it hurt the > reviewer more than Jack. The CD speaks for itself and it is damn good! > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 12:01:17 -0700 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: woman of heart and mind njc now These are just my impressions mostly from growing up. Not meant to be taken personally, my generation saw Abbey Hoffman hit wall street. When I graduated high school everyone was wearing izods and penny loafers. There were six punk rockers at my high school of which I was one. Everyday people would throw trash at us, try to kick our asses and call us fags for having an earring. I remember coming out of punk shows and the cops would line us all up against the wall, just for being there. I remember when I moved to SF in 1985. I saw a policeman on haight street with an earring, smoking a joint. I was like this is my kinda town... Ted "...but I never saw the good side of a city, till I hitched a ride on a river boat queen." - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 11:44 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: woman of heart and mind njc now > Woodstock just because to me that is a mythical time, I was 4 or 3. < i was there & looking back i'd say in some ways it does appear to be that way but in reality there was much going on that was horrible...the war is what i believe helped create a counter culture of peace & love idealism... > Being a gen xer I have always felt a little let down by the older generation that seemed to have all these great ideals but then just turned around and spit on our generation with like harsh repression, like they were the only ones who could explore or get high and now everyone has to live these straight lame lives and support killing for peace and Reagan and bush and bush.< it is impossible to paint a whole generation of people with one brush stroke...i have said this before & i'll say it again- there are many from that generation (my generation) who have remained true to their ideals & have dedicated their lives to making the world a better place for people of all ages...many many many many many many do not support this war nor are we/they living straight lame lives :~} www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 14:08:15 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Down to You Kenny I love this song very much and it is very high on my all time list. It is one of my faves to play on piano although I struggle with the transition in one part sometimes and sometimes I do ok. I have a great chart that I did myself of it if you would like me to fax it to you or I can mail it to you if you like. I also have the original sheet music from Court and Spark. Best to you Paz > To all: > In the midst of all this euphoria after the great Joni special, I have a > simple question: is there anyone else out there who loves "Down To You" (from > C&S) as much as me? I think it's so graphic, personal and such an intricate > arrangement..... I've not been a big contributor to this site in the past so > I'm relatively new here. > DTY has been my favorite Joni song for as long as I can remember (at > least 1974, when it came out) and I've been trying to find sheet music for it > so I might try to learn the piano passages in it (I'm a beginner but I try > hard!) I can't locate it anywhere. > Any suggestions appreciated; anyone want to tell me how much you love > that tune also? > > Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 14:12:26 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Marian in austriaNJC Colin and Mags et. Al. Marian is fine and not been up to date lately on the list. I called her a few days ago to get a recipe from her (oh right great excuse huh) and because I have missed her as of late as well and just needed to touch base. She has been really busy with all kinds of things and has not had time for the list. She also informed me that sadly she will not be coming over for Jonifest this year. I am always indebted to her (as well as the other transcribers) at this time of year when I start to think about learning some new Joni tunes in case I get to go to JoniFest 2003. Best Paz > any one heard from her? It seems she hasn't written tot he list in ages. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 14:13:50 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: please allow me to introduce...NJC May all the blessings and happiness in the world shine on your family during this wonderful time. Hi Samantha! Welcome! Cool another aires in the group. Best Paz > my beautiful newborn daughter Samantha Elizabeth! > > born april 3, 2003 at 1:46 AM > > 8 lbs, 9 oz and 21 inches > > she's doing wonderfully--i'm feeling fine--and courtney and i are > revelling in the joys and exhaustions of first-time parenthood. > > just wanted to share our happiness with you! > > -- emily, in bliss here in chicago ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 16:21:32 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Mingus and TS Eliot The definitive story of Joni with Sue and Charlie Mingus in Mexico? Simon collected a very long story about this in an interview + music appearance at KSCA-FM in Glendale, California, USA on October 25, 1994. As luck would have it, I'm making cassettes for Linsay Moon, the JMDL's official transcriber. I'll added it to a collection of cassettes so Lindsay has more to work with. :) While the interviewer is a bit snippy with Joni in several places, Joni was expansive and seemed not to notice. She goes into vivid detail about visiting Charlie Mingus in Mexico. Has everyone heard the bullfight story? The "healer" story? Once Lindsay has her way with this interview, you'll have something to read. Lama dsk wrote:I was also surprised to hear that Sue and Charles lived in a high-rise > apartment building. I always picture Mingus in his wheelchair on a > veranda in a lush environment, as in Joni's painting of him. Maybe they > had two homes, or maybe that painting is mostly Joni's imagining. RR said, "Now Charlie's down in Mexico with the healers" Mingus apparently went to one of the notorious alternative therapy clinics south of the border, hoping for an 11th hour cure. I think that is where these images come from. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 16:24:21 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Re: Mingus and TS Eliot Ooops. Linday's already transcribed it. Joni in Mexico: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=883 Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 13:37:35 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: paving paradise NJC " America's environmental protections have been challenged before, but never have they faced a threat as far-reaching, insidious and destructive as one posed by the Bush administration and the new Congress." (Gregory Wetstone, NRDC's director of advocacy) http://www.nrdc.org/media/pressReleases/030116.asp >The Bush-Cheney energy plan, which the administration released in May, is the culmination of a process that hinged on cozy business connections, secret deals and industry campaign contributions... At best, the energy industry has undue influence on major governmental decisions that will affect all Americans. At worst, the energy industry, which is enjoying record profits, has hijacked our government and now has the power to seriously weaken environmental safeguards, threaten public health, and gouge consumers.< http://www.nrdc.org/air/energy/aplayers.asp >Yet the Bush administration's assault rolls on even as polls continue to show overwhelming support for environmental protection... The administration routinely times its major environmental announcements to make it as difficult as possible for the news media to report on them, usually releasing information late on Friday afternoons. Especially important pronouncements are saved for big holidays when most reporters are unavailable.< http://www.nrdc.org/legislation/rollbacks/execsum.asp www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 16:36:28 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Re: Mingus and TS Eliot Okay, I have the wrong interview. I don't know which interview it is when she discussed Mingus. One thing I do know: I'll check and double check my facts before I post on this topic! The interview below does include some of her most detailed description of writing lyrics. I can't get enough of that. Example of a dopey question from the interviewer: "Have you done a lot of collaborative songwriting?" Lama > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=883 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 16:43:47 EDT From: SoulQuest7@aol.com Subject: FILM PERSON SEARCH When we were talking about the FABULOUS Joni documentary, someone said they made documentary films. Who was it? I'm interested in buying some equipment for editing video film and was interested in getting some advice. -==-= om=-=-= Nick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 15:46:16 -0500 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: Re: Ltd Edition of OCTOBER ROAD, njc i have it but did not like it. it only has about 4 songs on the bonus including a christmas song and it has sailing to philadelphia which i love but its the same version on Knopfler's record so if you have that don't bother with this e - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" To: "_JMDL" Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 12:01 AM Subject: Ltd Edition of OCTOBER ROAD, njc > SKU: 696998669529N > "October Road (Limited Edition with Bonus CD) [LIMITED EDITION] > [ENHANCED..." > > I just found this on amazon.com & ordered it. Has anyone heard the bonus > material? At $15 (used) it seems like a small risk. Espescialy compared to > $25 for the single disk, cardboard digipak, Ltd Edition of the last project > from George Harrison, "Brainwashed". > > Lama > > PS, at $15 it's also more affordable than some other single-disk special > editions I could name. I'm thinking of one in particular that came in a > candy box..... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 17:00:47 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Me and Joni (Addition to the original) After seeing how well received my little essay was, I thought I'd add one thing that I thought of after I sent my original text. Another fan who e-mailed me kind of made me remember this and I thought you all might have enjoyed it: You know, I mentioned how limited the musical abilities are in my immediate family but my mom & dad both used to play when I was a kid, right up to just around the time I was married. My father played guitar, was an electrician by trade and actually made a pick-up and amplified his old acoustic in the '50's, after Les Paul first made history with that stuff. My mom played ukellele (sp?) and piano; we actually had a big old upright in our living room that I plucked around with as a boy. But neither ever even suggested I try to learn anything (very odd, now that I think back) and I guess I showed no interest, so... My folks used to play music at various bars on Long Island (the "clubs" of their day) and one place in Oceanside, "The Cozy Corner" always had a sign in their window, "Madeline & Harold playing here Saturday night". They had a friend, Fred Lucas, who played accordian with them and another guy, "Little Jimmy Dean" who played bass. Most bars had pianos in them in those days; my mom played that and her uke, depending on the tune, and she sang. Mostly all those standards from the '40's and '50's that the rest of the patrons would sing along to. They also played at parties for events within our families; I was lucky enough to get them on a reel-to-reel tape down the basement of an aunt's home in Ridgewood, Brooklyn in the early '60's. They're both gone now, but I thought their story might be fun for you all to read. Kenny B Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 18:43:41 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Joni, then and now / Mark, then & Now In a message dated 4/6/2003 12:33:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > I just love "Dancin' Clown". I wish Joni would write more songs like that > one &record them with lots of synthesizers and maybe have Mendoza add one > of his wonderful orchestrations. This song more than any other describes > what it's like to be Bob Muller. It touches my very soul. LOL & touche my friend!! :o) Bob NP: Blue Tapestry, "Raised On Robbery" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:06:54 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: question NJC In a message dated 4/6/2003 12:17:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Aerchak@aol.com writes: > It is not on my > keyboard and it continually mystifies me. > Andrea, this only happens when you cut-and-paste from another program into your e-mail...the code (in smoe, I suppose) will re-interpret apostrophes and quotation marks and such and make those square "O"s appear. No cause for alarm and do NOT adjust your set! :~) Bob NP: The BB Band, "Woodstock" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:15:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Good ol' what's his name... In a message dated 4/6/2003 1:57:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GRISEM@loras.edu writes: > Does anybody know if she looks at all like > Mark MacMath? Hi Emily, There's some video of Brad (not Mark) MacMath in the video trees, I see more Joni genes in Kilauren that Brad genes. And at least you got his last name right, I think it was Janine who referred to him as Mark McGrath, who is the lead singer for Sugar Ray. I'm sure he'd be shocked to hear that he's fathered a child with Joni Mitchell! :~) Thanks for the post - keep 'em coming. Bob NP: Travels With Charley, "Carey" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:17:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Spain In a message dated 4/6/2003 2:13:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, emilianopd@mundo-r.com writes: > That galician journey of our Queen, it must have been around 1980 / '82 > She was also in Spain during her post-Mattala, pre-Blue period...she intro's "California" in one of the live shows by saying it was written partially in Spain, partially in France. Bob NP: Jeff Beck, "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:20:32 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Cold Blue Steel In a message dated 4/6/2003 2:25:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bobsart48@aol.com writes: > I feel her voice on that song is the siren "Sweet Fire" calling to her > captain CBS, leading him to crash on the rocks of heroin. Her vocal performance IS terrific on this song, Bob. She likes Tim Curry's version better but I am in strict disagreement with her on this front. Unfortunately, the FTR songbook has been sorely neglected in the covers department, so we don't have many to compare it to. It could be that she just nails that vocal SO powerfully that it's intimidating for others to tackle it. Bob NP: Laird Jackson, "Tin Angel" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:50:18 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Moon at the Window Note I checked out the PBS timeline and read the cryptic 'moon at the window' quote from the note to pregnant Joni from Brad MacMath. I don't get it. Does someone have an interpretation they'd care to share? Did he just abandon Joni while she was pregnant? Did he know she was pregnant? Did she know he was planning to leave, or did she just come home and find the note? What's the scoop? I thought I knew all about Joni's story, but the bit of information concerning this note escaped me. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #221 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)