From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #220 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, April 6 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 220 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Claudia Schmidt (NJC) [] Re: Dianna Krall and Elvis Costello SJC [Aerchak@aol.com] Herbie Mann - njc ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: My Evening With Annie - NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Mingus and TS Eliot [dsk ] Re: My Evening With Annie - NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Amazon update - Midnight EST njc [colin ] WOHAM favorite moments [dsk ] Re: Mingus and TS Eliot [Randy Remote ] A Woman Of Heart And Mind ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Mingus and TS Eliot ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Dianna Krall and Elvis Costello SJC ["kerry" ] Re: Mingus and TS Eliot [dsk ] RE: now: who's dissing norah? -- njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Sweet Joni and Sour US ["Suzanne MarcAurele" ] Re: Mingus and TS Eliot ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Laurel Canyon Home Movies ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #117 Hello [Catherine McKay ] Re: Dianna Krall and Elvis Costello njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: now: who's dissing norah? -- njc [colin ] Re: Sweet Joni and Sour US njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Wall to Wall, Part 7 & last - Whew!! ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni & James Update [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni & James Update [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni, then and now ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Me and Joni (Long Essay) ["Mark or Travis" ] Ltd Edition of OCTOBER ROAD, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 13:13:35 -0600 From: Subject: RE: Claudia Schmidt (NJC) Kerry wrote: "Are there any Claudia Schmidt fans out there? I was really into her music when I was in college (about 20 years ago), but sort of "lost touch" with her. My best friend asked me if I wanted to go see her last night, so we drove through a horrible sleet storm to this wonderful tiny cafe/pub in a small Wisconsin town about an hour an a half from Milwaukee. There were only about 15 people there, so it felt like a personal concert and we had a lot of chances to chat with her. Claudia was just as I remembered her...." Me too, me too! I saw Claudia at the late, great Blue River Cafe in Milwaukee in the spring of 1980. I know she appeared in Madison in the late 80's, although I wasn't able to catch her that time. I, too, remember her rendition of "Since I Fell for You," and am glad she is still working. However, I hope that the low turnout last night was due to the weather conditions, not lack of interest. She certainly deserves an audience of greater than 15 people (even though I'm very happy for those 15!). Mary P. P.S. Kerry, congrats for deciding to brave the elements, and glad you made it there and back safely. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 14:21:07 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: Dianna Krall and Elvis Costello SJC I had no idea they were engaged. Has anyone ever hear Dianna Krall's version of A Case Of You? She sang it on the TNT tribute and it is on the Live from Paris album. It is incredible, beautiful and simply amazing. Bob, you must add it to your cover collection. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 13:28:39 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Herbie Mann - njc Wow, you saw Herbie Mann! Awesome, I love Herbie. I play flute and went shopping one day for flute music, and saw this CD of Herbie Mann playing Afro-Cuban jazz on the shelf. Never heard of him before, but I bought it anyhow on a whim, and I fell in love with the music. Especially the song "Delilah." Mia _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 14:52:19 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: My Evening With Annie - NJC In a message dated 4/5/2003 5:40:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, AzeemAK writes: > I HATED Medusa, though! I thought this one really *was* >overproduced, to the point of being totally sterile. I wasn't crazy about Medusa the way I still am over Diva (even Broken Glass ... check out the tempo, one of the best-chosen tempi I've ever heard; slightly slower than expected, it really makes the song). But the track that kills me on Medusa is Neil Young's Don't Let It Bring You Down. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 15:07:09 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Mingus and TS Eliot Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > > I was listening to Sue Mingus on the radio at the time, on the way to catch > the last segment of the show live. I could easily be confusing this with a > different attribution from a different time, but in the back of my head I > hear someone saying that Joni said she would sooner capsulize the Bible than > that poem 9was it Love Song ?). This is how I recall what Sue Mingus said: "Charles got the idea to put T.S. Eliot's Four Quartets to music and have Joni adapt the words. Word got back to us very quickly through Joni's representatives that Joni was not interested. She said she'd just as soon paraphrase the Bible as touch Eliot. So Charles thought about it and came up with the idea to have Joni put words to some of his music, and she was contacted again, and said yes." The one phrase I'm completely certain about is "paraphrase the Bible" because I remember thinking that sounds exactly like what sharp-witted Joni would say. Sue then went on to say that Charles' usual way of composing was on the piano, but he was not able to do that anymore, so he suggested humming his tunes (? not sure if that's the word Sue used) into a tape recorder, and then Joni took those recordings and worked out the words, and then they'd get together and go over them. Mingus died before the album was finished. He wasn't on his death bed when he met Joni, but he was in a wheelchair because of ALS, and knew death was not far off. It seems I've read somewhere that the project with Joni started about six months before his death. Sue Mingus also talked about the song "Chair in the Sky" saying that when Joni first met Mingus it was at their home on the 40th floor and he was in his wheelchair. "So Joni took that image and imagined what Charles was thinking he would miss most as he was preparing to meet his maker, and when Charles heard the lyrics he was impressed that Joni was sensitive enough to get it right, and he knew he'd made the right choice of Joni as his collaborator." The phrase I remember most clearly from that bit was Sue Mingus describing Charles as "preparing to meet his maker". It made me think what a special time it must have been for Joni, in a spiritual way, as well as a musical one. I was also surprised to hear that Sue and Charles lived in a high-rise apartment building. I always picture Mingus in his wheelchair on a veranda in a lush environment, as in Joni's painting of him. Maybe they had two homes, or maybe that painting is mostly Joni's imagining. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 12:09:17 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: My Evening With Annie - NJC >More an observation of the song structures; with some of their most well-known songs it's hard to tell which is the verse, chorus and bridge (and that's definitely not a bad thing!).< i hadn't thought of their songs in those terms before but i agree that its a good thing...some of their verses are catchy enough to be a chorus...i love the E's & saw them here in concert when they first exploded into the world...i remember reading how their first album was recorded in their bedroom, low budget style... kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 21:37:24 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Amazon update - Midnight EST njc >well Butch and bitch you got right - but hey its working for me! And last nite like a drunken >sailor going for a tattoo ... I acted like a biker bitch and got a piercing, so now I am wearng >another earring and its nowhere near my ear! > such a common tart. really, why do I associate with you? > And what exactly is "plonk?" > cheap wine > >And finally leave it to you and the Smurph to eventually getting around to adding your "little >blue guys" to a thread. Seems you two cant keep those out of anything! > nevr mind Suzzi, maybe in your enxt life you will have one of your own. oryou could win the lottery and have one made for you? Green doesn't really suit you, my dear. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 15:43:23 -0500 From: dsk Subject: WOHAM favorite moments There are many memorable moments. The whole show was so elegantly done, so Joni-ish! I loved the way the music and images and voices all fit together so seamlessly. And seeing the early performances was such a treat. I held my breath during Blue so I wouldn't miss anything. And, as other people have already mentioned, all the bits of info about her creative process were wonderful, too. Sounds like she could easily get into the creative zone where time stops and the outside world ceases to exist. I liked Nash's mention of the push and pull, the come here, stay away (while I create), of the creative life. And I was impressed again by Joni's willingness to stay open to whatever she was feeling, no matter how painful it was. One of my favorite moments was when they showed a photo of the house Joni grew up in. My first thought when I saw that big rectangular picture window was, there's Joni's frame for her paintings. Then I laughed at her zippy comment about her thoughts as a kid when she looked out that window, "Here they come where they going?" Funny and very charming. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 12:40:31 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Mingus and TS Eliot dsk wrote:I was also surprised to hear that Sue and Charles lived in a high-rise > apartment building. I always picture Mingus in his wheelchair on a > veranda in a lush environment, as in Joni's painting of him. Maybe they > had two homes, or maybe that painting is mostly Joni's imagining. "Now Charlie's down in Mexico with the healers" Mingus apparently went to one of the notorious alternative therapy clinics south of the border, hoping for an 11th hour cure. I think that is where these images come from. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 15:49:12 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: A Woman Of Heart And Mind Sure I got a little choked up. I got choked up earlier than I thought I would. My favorite era was from "Blue" through all those fan-damn-tastic jazz albums. So when Lacey took us through moving as a kid, losing Kilauren, struggling through the coffeehouse tours, going to America, the whole time I was thinking..... "yeah, but this isn't my favorite part. She became so many different artists after this." Then that wonderful quote from Elliot about have a body of work before her debut. Then she brought her parents to Carnegie Hall in 1969....... Even before she made "BLUE". Well, that did it. Holy cow. She had "done it all" before she made "BLUE"! Before she hired the LA Express. Before she was shunned by Miles. Before she found Herbie. You get the idea. On and on. Holy. I was right but I didn't know how right I was. I'm proud to have known she's worth following for the last 30 years. Damn straight. The timeline, of which Deb Messling spoke is at: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/mitchell_j.html If you were "there" a few weeks ago, you may have to delete all your "cookies" or force your browser to "refresh". I think it's the same URL that had just a couple of paragraphs until last week. To hit the Timeline directly, use this: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/mitchell_j_timeline_flash.h tml Holy cow. Messling was right about finding a gem on that timeline! Thanks, Deb. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 12:54:45 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Mingus and TS Eliot > Word > got back to us very quickly through Joni's representatives that Joni > was > not interested. She said she'd just as soon paraphrase the Bible as > touch Eliot. What I remember is Joni saying 'I'd sooner condense the Bible'. > I was also surprised to hear that Sue and Charles lived in a high-rise > apartment building. I always picture Mingus in his wheelchair on a > veranda in a lush environment, as in Joni's painting of him. Maybe > they > had two homes, or maybe that painting is mostly Joni's imagining. 'Manhattan holds me To a chair in the sky With the Bird in my ears And boats in my eyes Goin by....' The painting you're thinking of is on the back of the Mingus album and is called something like 'Charlie Down in Mexico' and goes with the line 'now Charlie's down in Mexico with the healers' so I always assumed he was down there for some kind of treatment. I think the paintings for Mingus are the most powerful of any that have been on one of Joni's albums. The painting 'Chair in the Sky' in particular. Also the painting of Joni with Mingus called 'I's a-Muggin' must have come from that photograph of Joni and Mingus that somebody else mentioned seeing in WOHAM. That is one of the most stunning photos of Joni I have ever seen. She has her hair braided and put up on the sides of her head. She could have looked like Princess Leia or a Bavarian milkmaid but she doesn't. She looks wholesome and incredibly sophisticated at the same time. And there is a look on her face like she is having the time of her life. It's obvious that there was some kind of special bond between her and Mingus. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 15:13:13 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Re: Dianna Krall and Elvis Costello SJC Andrea wrote: > Has anyone ever hear Dianna Krall's version > of A Case Of You? She sang it on the TNT tribute and it is on the Live from > Paris album. It is incredible, beautiful and simply amazing. Bob, you must > add it to your cover collection. Ironically, I was listening to the TNT tribute when I read your message. I had the opportunity to hear her perform ACOY in Auckland while I was sitting next to my sweetie. New Zealanders are so polite, you could have heard a pin drop. I don't think I moved or took a breath during the whole song... "The memory is like the sweetest pain..." - JT Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 16:12:44 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Mingus and TS Eliot Mark or Travis wrote: > > > She said she'd just as soon paraphrase the Bible as > > touch Eliot. > > What I remember is Joni saying 'I'd sooner condense the Bible'. Did Joni say that in WOHAM? I was relating what Sue Mingus had said at the recent Wall to Wall Joni marathon. So, has a recording of that wondrous 12-hour extravaganza surfaced yet? > The painting you're thinking of is on the back of the Mingus album and > is called something like 'Charlie Down in Mexico' and goes with the > line 'now Charlie's down in Mexico with the healers' so I always > assumed he was down there for some kind of treatment. Oh, yes, I remember now, thanks to your and Randy's mention of this. The album Mingus was never one of my favorites, although I've always liked the paintings and after hearing the Mingus Big Band perform the songs, have more of an appreciation of those now. Maybe it's time to pull out the old vinyl and give it another spin. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 18:11:49 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: now: who's dissing norah? -- njc gentlemen, i do have to make a living! my only resource for the time being is selling my database of the penile challenged. if any of you make is beyond the 3 and a half inch mark, please let me know and i'll talk to my contacts. respectfully yours, wally, who never writes home about it because my folks KNOW - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de colin Enviado el: Sabado, 05 de Abril de 2003 02:08 p.m. Para: Murphycopy@aol.com CC: colin@tantra-apso.com; groovchacha@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: now: who's dissing norah? -- njc Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >Colin writes: > ><< i get those too! I wonder who told on us, Bob? >> > >WALLY. > as if he had anything to write home about.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 16:16:15 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Susan Lacy Got It Right! http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/mitchell_j_interview.html is the interview with Susan Lacy. The way I read it, she's been executive producer of the American Masters series, hiring filmmakers and so on, for years. She took the helm of Joni's project herself. I can only guess that this project was too important to delegate. :) Susan's one of us. (Are you lurking, Ms. Lacy? "You done good, kid.") The PBS timeline for 1979 says, correctly: "1979 MINGUS [was] released to positive response but no airplay from either jazz or pop/rock stations." I didn't know that the 1983 band had a name. Hmmm. Also: What's the most expensive album to date? The answer surprised me. I guess 'cause she was piling up billable hours in a studio. Lama Off to work on the 15 year old Volvo. With more than a quarter-million miles, it easily passes the emissions test. The engine has never been rebuilt. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 16:49:18 -0500 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: Sweet Joni and Sour US The scenario of Joni singing Woodstock and how sweet her voice sounded then - and all the sour jealousy that sprung up around her - I for one lived in the quite cynical Northeast where all pretend to have heart and soul and fall short, way short with not even the slightest embarrassment and along comes this beautiful woman, fascinated by our dirt I suppose and I can hear all the jealous women - jealous of her voice for it is the extreme of femininity that most of us here in the east has been suppressed by layers and layers of social ambition - each layer an adaptive phase brought on by the latest music/movie craze - so she, being the ever insightful one, wanting love as much as expression, changed........... then came the voices wanting the old Joni back, that wonderful trusting sweetness from a land surprizingly still holding onto much of its sweetness - blessed be the blasts of winter for it indeed curtails the business of changing for what ... i digress... the sake of nostalgia over what was lost?... It is refreshing to realize that along somewhere in the mid-70's Mitchell decided to be herself if only within the confines of her own mind - so yes beloved critics the surface is there for all of you to swallow up, spit out, twirl your venom on but again seeing Mitchell playing grandma ( for I hardly think she would perceive herself as being grandma any other way)she still had the child and the sweetness... As to the rest of the Joni on the Heart and Mind production I can only say: Please write a book soon!!!!!!! PS- I seem to remember a rant of mine many many many years ago about questions always unanswered questions - hearing her say these things live, well, I hope she sets out to answer the questions she perceives our own because my interest is not an ember yet S. PSS - First question: Is it intentional that all the different looks were created in time? And if the answer is yes, what is your take on the failure of men to do the same? And then finally, so how is it we let them lead in the first place? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 13:52:44 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Amazon update - Midnight EST njc One more addition to the thread that just won't fade away - gracefully .... Colin wrote: > > such a common tart. really, why do I associate with you? Cause OLD Coots like you live vicariously through young virile butches like me! (says the youthful Susan who really isnt THAT butch) > > > And what exactly is "plonk?" > > > cheap wine > Well I am not cheap, nor am I a whiner ... which is more than I can say for some ...hmmm Colin? > > > >And finally leave it to you and the Smurph to eventually getting around to adding your "little > >blue guys" to a thread. Seems you two cant keep those out of anything! > > > nevr mind Suzzi, maybe in your enxt life you will have one of your own. > oryou could win the lottery and have one made for you? Green doesn't > really suit you, my dear. > Green happens to be my color of choice grandpa! And I needn't win the lottery to have one, they can be easily & economically purchased. Hoping there is NO reincarnation if I must come back and have one of those little "blue fellas." Peace, Susan Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 14:38:06 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Mingus and TS Eliot > Did Joni say that in WOHAM? I was relating what Sue Mingus had said at > the recent Wall to Wall Joni marathon. No Joni didn't say that in WOHAM but I recall reading it. I did research it when I wrote the article that Les published on the JMDL site and I'm fairly certain she said something close to that in more than one interview. > Maybe it's time to > pull out the old vinyl and give it another spin. > Joni is always worth another spin and Mingus has a tendency to improve with the passage of time, imo. Not that I ever thought it was bad to begin with. But my appreciation of it has grown over time. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 14:39:58 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Laurel Canyon Home Movies >> I bought this on vinyl for the sole reason that it had *both* Joni >> and Grace on it. They were both my idols at the time. >> > > So you've gotta LOVE the video from the Dick Cavett show when Grace > leads the crowd in a standing O for Joni when she plays her set. Way > cool. > Oh, I think I shouted out loud the first time I saw that. Grace was on her feet before anybody else. She said in her book that she has huge respect and awe for Joni. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 17:42:37 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #117 Hello --- Wiloboy@aol.com wrote: > Thought I'd surface from lurkdom and say hello, I've > been trying to keep up > with the JMDL since last Oct. Joined a few weeks > before Travelogue came out. > Really enjoy all your comments. You guys have > turned me on to Kyle > Eastwwod, Rickie Lee, Ute Lemper and WFUV which I > now listen to at work. > Thanks! Also thanks to Lama and Bob for making > copies for me. Stick around long enough and you'll go broke buying all this music - but there are worse, far worse, things to spend your money on. >BSN just knocked > me out. Funny, this is > the album I had waited for all those years, yet if I > heard it 20 years ago I > wouldn't have liked it. Funny how that works, isn't it? I figure one days my kids will listen to Joni and finally understand what their crackpot mum was up to all those years. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 18:13:31 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: now: who's dissing the little fellas? -- njc To Colin, Guzzi bitterly bitched: << And finally leave it to you and the Smurph to eventually getting around to adding your "little blue guys" to a thread. Seems you two cant keep those out of anything! >> To which Colin spitefully replied: << nevr mind Suzzi, maybe in your enxt life you will have one of your own. > oryou could win the lottery and have one made for you? >> Now me: You can have mine, Guzz. I'm certainly not using it. (I showed it to you at Jonifest. Remember? That night the Lez cottage laughed and screamed so loud?) Then, sadly, Wally joined in with: << gentlemen, i do have to make a living! my only resource for the time being is selling my database of the penile challenged. >> Me again: WIth the economy doing so poorly down Mexico way, Wally, it breaks my heart to see you having to resort to this. I remember how sad it was when you were in Boston recently to see you going from tea room to cottage to Joni Only party -- half the time on your precious little hands and dimpled little knees! -- checking out the local little fellas. Sigh. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 18:13:55 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #118 yes ... i admit ... i did not shed one tear. actually, i guess i cannot see why one would shed tears over this program (WOHAM) - she said naively. joni did not die. she is not finis. i've never been one to get all mushy over stuff. heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 10:15 AM To: PassScribe@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #118 --- PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/5/03 3:01:45 AM, les@jmdl.com > writes: > > << OK, here's my question for you all: Does anyone > admit to watching it and > *not* crying at least once, if not off and on > throughout as I did? > > - -Fred > >> > > No, but I'll admit I thought I was the only one > who *did* until I started > to read these posts. > Men should cry more often. It's sexy. But not too often. That's not sexy. Aren't you glad to know you're not freaks though? If everybody cried, then crying is normal (either that, or we're all freaks, but there's safety in numbers.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 18:26:22 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Dianna Krall and Elvis Costello njc Yes..yes..and I heard sing it live in Louisville ..KY about a year ago. I love it..a mighty nice rendition! Bree Has anyone ever hear Dianna Krall's version of A Case Of You? She sang it on the TNT tribute and it is on the Live from >Paris album. It is incredible, beautiful and simply amazing. Bob, you >must >add it to your cover collection. > >Andrea _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 20:38:01 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: who's dissing the little fellas? -- njc it was very sad indeed. my database gew exponentially. w - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Murphycopy@aol.com Enviado el: Sabado, 05 de Abril de 2003 08:14 p.m. Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk; Murphycopy@aol.com CC: colin@tantra-apso.com; groovchacha@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: now: who's dissing the little fellas? -- njc Then, sadly, Wally joined in with: << gentlemen, i do have to make a living! my only resource for the time being is selling my database of the penile challenged. >> Me again: WIth the economy doing so poorly down Mexico way, Wally, it breaks my heart to see you having to resort to this. I remember how sad it was when you were in Boston recently to see you going from tea room to cottage to Joni Only party -- half the time on your precious little hands and dimpled little knees! -- checking out the local little fellas. Sigh. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 00:48:48 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Amazon update - Midnight EST njc Susan Guzzi wrote: >One more addition to the thread that just won't fade away - gracefully .... > >Colin wrote: > > >>such a common tart. really, why do I associate with you? >> >> > >Cause OLD Coots like you live vicariously through young virile butches like me! (says the >youthful Susan who really isnt THAT butch) > oh I dn't think so young missy-I am surrounded by virile young bitches,I mean butches.... > > > >>> And what exactly is "plonk?" >>> >>> >>> >>cheap wine >> >> >> > >Well I am not cheap, nor am I a whiner ... which is more than I can say for some ...hmmm Colin? > No i don't touch the stuff-disgusting, icky, smelly, puke making gunk. unless it is Champagne ..... >Green happens to be my color of choice grandpa! > had no choice, i would think > And I needn't win the lottery to have one, they >can be easily & economically purchased. > I meant a real one silly, not some plastic willy from the shop! pah! if you'd had the real thing you'd not go near the fake ones.... > Hoping there is NO reincarnation if I must come back and >have one of those little "blue fellas." > ahh but you might get a big one of a different colour...not too big tho... > >Peace, > yes enjoy while you can, girl. there'll be no peace where you are headed. Biker Butch On The Road To Hell. >Susan >Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more >http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 00:50:37 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: now: who's dissing norah? -- njc Wally Kairuz wrote: >gentlemen, i do have to make a living! my only resource for the time being >is selling my database of the penile challenged. > that is NOT surprising. what else could you sell? > if any of you make is >beyond the 3 and a half inch mark, please let me know and i'll talk to my >contacts.# > THREE AND A HALF INCHES???? yeah, in doctored pictures. be realistic, willy, they only have them that big in the movies.... >respectfully yours, >wally, who never writes home about it because my folks KNOW ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 18:55:26 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Sweet Joni and Sour US njc >It is refreshing to realize that along somewhere in the mid-70's Mitchell >decided to be herself if only within the confines of her own mind - so yes >beloved critics the surface is there for all of you to swallow up, spit >out, We can't be ourselves until we know who we are. For some it takes a lifetime..others find out earlier. For some..they don't want to know..others..don't know how. >is your take on the failure of men to do the same? And then finally, so >how is it we let them lead in >the first place? Well..it could be that they ..men, just think they lead.. ??? Take care..S Bree _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 00:55:59 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: now: who's dissing the little fellas? -- njc Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >> >> > >Now me: > >You can have mine, Guzz. I'm certainly not using it. (I showed it to you at >Jonifest. Remember? That night the Lez cottage laughed and screamed so loud?) > and you wonder why i won't attend? How could I possible allo myself to be in such debauched company? > > > I remember how sad it was when you were >in Boston recently to see you going from tea room to cottage to Joni Only >party -- half the time on your precious little hands and dimpled little >knees! -- checking out the local little fellas. > Wally on his hands and knees in Boston? Not our Wally. You on the other hand....well...like i said to the perosn who emailed me the pictures-I would never mention it and certainly wouldn't tell anyone or show anyone. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 16:05:01 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Sweet Joni and Sour US njc "fear is the lock, and laughter the key to your heart" CSN - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Bree Mcdonough Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 3:55 PM To: smarcaurele@digitalproquo.com; joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: Re: Sweet Joni and Sour US njc >It is refreshing to realize that along somewhere in the mid-70's Mitchell >decided to be herself if only within the confines of her own mind - so yes >beloved critics the surface is there for all of you to swallow up, spit >out, We can't be ourselves until we know who we are. For some it takes a lifetime..others find out earlier. For some..they don't want to know..others..don't know how. >is your take on the failure of men to do the same? And then finally, so >how is it we let them lead in >the first place? Well..it could be that they ..men, just think they lead.. ??? Take care..S Bree _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 16:27:33 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Wall to Wall, Part 7 & last - Whew!! > And there's black babies dancing > Tonight > (And she adds "Don & Me" on the S&L version) On S&L she further alters this line: And there were two brand new little musicians dancing there Tonight For what it's worth. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 21:09:53 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #118 In a message dated 4/5/03 6:15:13 PM, chiaroscuro@snet.net writes: << yes ... i admit ... i did not shed one tear. actually, i guess i cannot see why one would shed tears over this program (WOHAM) - she said naively. joni did not die. she is not finis. i've never been one to get all mushy over stuff. heather >> Hummmm... interesting. Of course, we're all different so it shouldn't surprise anyone that we all are affected differently by various stimuli. As far as why anyone would? It's not that anyone died or is "finished"; it's really not a sad thing in this case. It's like why people cry at weddings, the birth of a child, things like that... emotional moments. I can go to a wedding and not cry at all, especially if the people getting married aren't very close to me. But if it's someone I've been close to all my life, or the daughter of a friend who I've known since we went to high school together... it hits you differently. I watched her grow from a baby to a woman and now she's starting a new life with someone she loves. I feel something from that. I guess your emotional threshold is just different than mine. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 21:52:24 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Mingus and TS Eliot Debra wrote > I was also surprised to hear that Sue and Charles lived in a high-rise > apartment building. I always picture Mingus in his wheelchair on a > veranda in a lush environment, as in Joni's painting of him. Maybe they > had two homes, or maybe that painting is mostly Joni's imagining. > I wonder if the scene had something to do with Mexico. Did JM visit him there ? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 19:09:27 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #118 - NJC I cry at the drop of a hat really. I cry if people are getting married on tv commercials. Guess I'm just a sensitive new age guy. SNAG if you want an acronym. Ted - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of PassScribe@aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 6:10 PM To: chiaroscuro@snet.net; anima_rising@yahoo.ca; PassScribe@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #118 In a message dated 4/5/03 6:15:13 PM, chiaroscuro@snet.net writes: << yes ... i admit ... i did not shed one tear. actually, i guess i cannot see why one would shed tears over this program (WOHAM) - she said naively. joni did not die. she is not finis. i've never been one to get all mushy over stuff. heather >> Hummmm... interesting. Of course, we're all different so it shouldn't surprise anyone that we all are affected differently by various stimuli. As far as why anyone would? It's not that anyone died or is "finished"; it's really not a sad thing in this case. It's like why people cry at weddings, the birth of a child, things like that... emotional moments. I can go to a wedding and not cry at all, especially if the people getting married aren't very close to me. But if it's someone I've been close to all my life, or the daughter of a friend who I've known since we went to high school together... it hits you differently. I watched her grow from a baby to a woman and now she's starting a new life with someone she loves. I feel something from that. I guess your emotional threshold is just different than mine. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 22:38:22 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni & James Update --- Stu Rutherford wrote: > Hi, > > I'm an English lurker who lives in the UAE chiming > in with a few points - > > * First of all, a great big thanks to Lama for > copying cd's and videos > for me. What a service to the Joni community! I > must admit that when > I sent off media and a cheque from the UAE, I > was a bit skeptical - > was it an Internet ripoff/would the media get > stolen in the post or > held up at customs? Welcome, Stu. There are a great many generous people on this list. I agree, it's amazing, you send money off into strange territory and you get CDs back in the mail. I'm amazed that they get through the mail and through customs too, but they do. > * The state of the list - yes, I couldn't believe > how many messages > came in and the relevancy of some of them (I > guess it's the eye of > the beholder). It has been extremely busy around here lately; not that it's ever very quiet. There has even been a lot of Joni content lately (fancy that!), although I enjoy the njc as well. Another lister said, not too long ago, that it's kind of like a pub where you go to hang out with your friends - mostly friends you've never met (which brings to mind - who said this? - there are no strangers; just friends you've never met. Was it Will Rogers? Forrest Gump? Barney the purple dinosaur? Confucius?) > I still > have not seen Travelogue on sale but recently > bought 'Both Sides Now' > and was completely shocked. I have only played > it once and although I > know it's crazy to condemn a recording on one > hearing, I don't think > I'll ever play it again. > > How does 'Both Sides Now' compare to 'Travelogue' - > are the 2 very > similar? My guess is, if you don't like BSN, you probably won't like Travelogue. I could be mistaken though - with Travelogue, it's Joni singing all her own songs, but in a similar (very similar) style to that of BSN. If you can picture (or hear) that, and it sounds interesting, you should try it (it has the bonus of a great package with a book of lyrics and another of Joni's art; and if you put/play the CD(s) in your computer, you also get a Joni art gallery to stroll through as you listen.) If that doesn't appeal, save your pennies for another day. Stay safe in the UAE. NP My dog yipping in her sleep (dog dreams.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 11:59:42 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni & James Update Stu Rutherford wrote: > I still > have not seen Travelogue on sale but recently bought 'Both Sides Now' > and was completely shocked. I have only played it once and although I > know it's crazy to condemn a recording on one hearing, I don't think > I'll ever play it again. Stu, you're not alone. There seem to be three reactions to BSN: 1. ick 2. nice, if flawed addition to Joni canon 3. devine I've only played mine once or twice so you can guess which group I'm in. You asked: How does 'Both Sides Now' compare to 'Travelogue' - are the 2 very similar? In style they are very much the same, T'log being of course 2 discs of Joni compostions, so that helps a bit, I guess. I've only labored through that one once, too. Arranger Mendoza's gaudy schmaltz mixed with what's left of Joni's voice made it tough going for me. Anyway, welcome to the list, nice variety of topics in your post. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 20:23:13 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni, then and now > On the other hand - songs like "You're My Thrill", "At Last" (at > last, my love has come along, my lonely days are over, and life is > like a happy song), "Answer Me My Love", seem to DEFINITELY be > ingenue songs. And you know there may be more...love songs with a > girlish sensibility to them. Hmm... Well I suppose you have a point. But somehow Billie Holiday, Etta James and Nat King Cole didn't make them sound girlish. > > And just to clarify, I totally agree. I just don't think it's > consistent with what she's said, that's all. Minor stuff. > I suppose we could go round and round about this. I do see your point. I'm certainly glad there isn't somebody keeping track of everything I say and then calling me on the carpet about it later when I *seem* to contradict myself. One of the pitfalls of celebrity I suppose. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 20:26:16 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Me and Joni (Long Essay) > Well, I guess Ibve used up enough space on Lesb site by now. I > must say hebs done an admirable job in maintaining it and Ibm sure > everyone is most appreciative. If anyone would like to chat with me > about anything, my e-mail address is up there somewhere. > > Kenny B This was wonderful from beginning to end, Kenny. Can I save this and send it to people who refer to Joni's stuff as 'chick music'? :-) Seriously though, I did enjoy reading your history with Joni and finding a bit out about you. Please keep the posts coming. Welcome all newbies! We need you! Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 00:01:58 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Ltd Edition of OCTOBER ROAD, njc SKU: 696998669529N "October Road (Limited Edition with Bonus CD) [LIMITED EDITION] [ENHANCED..." I just found this on amazon.com & ordered it. Has anyone heard the bonus material? At $15 (used) it seems like a small risk. Espescialy compared to $25 for the single disk, cardboard digipak, Ltd Edition of the last project from George Harrison, "Brainwashed". Lama PS, at $15 it's also more affordable than some other single-disk special editions I could name. I'm thinking of one in particular that came in a candy box..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 21:35:00 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: woman of heart and mind Ok I just watched WOHAM and they did say world music. Anyway it was wonderful and well done and I didn't cry. I watched it with my dad. I wanna cry every time she sings Woodstock just because to me that is a mythical time, I was 4 or 3. At one point she says oh I guess give peace a chance was just a dream some of us had. Being a gen xer I have always felt a little let down by the older generation that seemed to have all these great ideals but then just turned around and spit on our generation with like harsh repression, like they were the only ones who could explore or get high and now everyone has to live these straight lame lives and support killing for peace and Reagan and bush and bush. Like the generation X song, "well the ends always justify the means and your generation don't mean a thing to me." The only thing that bugged me about the show is that Joni feels like she doesn't like who she was for people in the sixties. Don't misconstrue that as meaning I don't think she should have moved on, I just don't like the fact that she doesn't like it, I like her regardless. Makes me think of a Velvet Underground song called Sweet Jane that goes, "if some one had a heart, they wouldn't turn around and break it, and if any one ever played a part, they wouldn't turn around and hate it." She can really paint too. I wonder of any of you know if her paintings are in galleries or if she has shows for her artwork? My mom and pop watched the show too, they were not hippies, but, both are Joni fans now. I'll have a WOHAM on rye hold the mayo! Ted - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Randy Remote Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 11:34 AM To: SoulQuest7@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: woman of heart and mind SoulQuest7@aol.com wrote: Personally, I > admire her for branching out, but I think it's strange to say she was a > pioneer in world music hybrids. George Harrison was thoroughly employing > Indian music in his songs back in 1966-1967, and he was quickly followed by > people such as Donovan and The Incredible String Band. For that matter, the > U.S. version of Help! in 1965 had a version of "A Hard Day's Night" performed > on Indian instruments, so maybe that was the first pop/world music hybrid. It > certainly was that movie that turned George onto the sitar. > The 'world music pioneer' tag doesn't really ring true. Josephine Baker in the '30's. Carmen Miranda in the 40's. Stan Getz and Herbie Mann brought Brazilian music to the mainstream in the early 60's. Harry Belafonte's "Banana Boat Song", Trini Lopez' "Lemon Tree". Even Sinatra did two LP's with Jobim. Santana crossed latin music with rock in 1969, while Joni was 5 full albums away from using the Barundi drums. Simon & Garfunkel's "El Condor Pasa" used a Peruvian band in 1970. There is even a short reggae- style break in The Beatles "I Call Your Name" from 1964. Miles Davis' "Bitches Brew" in 1969 fused jazz and African influences..in the world of jazz, using African and Latin influences was old news; Dizzy Gillespie, Tito Puente,,,fingers getting tired.... 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