From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #219 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, April 5 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 219 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Down to You ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Down to You [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Joni & James Update [Stu Rutherford ] Re: Amazon update - Midnight EST njc [colin ] afri-cans njc ["ron" ] Re: house insurance njc [colin ] Re: now: who's dissing norah? -- njc [colin ] Marian in austriaNJC [colin ] Laurel Canyon Home Movies [emil thompson ] Re: My Evening With Annie - NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: NJC Stryngs news - the album is available (in the UK...) AND A QUESTION ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] stevie(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Laurel Canyon Home Movies [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart & Mind - an informal poll now njc [Cath] Re: Joni & James Update [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni, then and now [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Covers #39 - Let the games begin! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Laurel Canyon Home Movies njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #118 [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart & Mind - an informal poll [Warrenkeith9] Re: Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart & Mind - an informal poll [RoseMJoy@aol] welcome! and Down to You [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Marian in austriaNJC [magsnbrei ] A Woman of Heart and Mind ["Suzanne MarcAurele" ] Re: Laurel Canyon Home Movies ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #117 Hello [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Laurel Canyon Home Movies [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A Case of ? [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: A Case of ? [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Laurel Canyon Home Movies [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart & Mind - an informal poll [RoseMJoy@aol] Re: Mingus and TS Eliot [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Amazon update - Midnight EST njc [Susan Guzzi ] Re: now: who's dissing norah? -- njc [colin ] Re: Claudia Schmidt njc [Susan Guzzi ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 00:02:12 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Down to You > "In the morning there are lovers on the street, > They look so high. > You brush against a stranger and you both apologize" > > Really, like the Hejira songs (and many others), you can just keep > writing out the lyrics as they never stray from perfection. But that > particular passage has always just kicked me in the gut. > That whole bridge section really does it for me, including the lyric you quote, Bob: You go down to the pickup station Cravin warmth and beauty You settle for less than fascination A few drinks later you're not so choosy And the closing lights strip off the shadows On this strange new flesh you've found Clutching the night to you like a fig leaf You hurry to the blackness and the blankets To lay down an impression and your loneliness..... If you've ever gone to a bar, hungry for human physical & spiritual contact and gone through the whole usually demoralizing & humiliating process of flirting, drinking and eventually desparately grabbing at the person who finally responds to you, these words distill that experience succinctly, beautifully and poetically into a fine essence. She read me like a book in this song as she seemed to over and over again in every song on Court & Spark, my first Joni. She's been doing it ever since & I still wonder how the hell she knows what I feel. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 00:15:33 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Down to You Hello Ken ...and welcome, I too was happy to see the new name and felt immediately connected to you. I would say if not in my top ten DTY is very close. I have always LOVED this song. It was one of Joni's first real orchestral arrangements. Not to mention her poetry and her voice on this. I do believe this song won a Grammy for arrangement if i am not mistaken although I cant recall if this award goes to Joni or just the arranger - I am sure someone here would know that. Thanks for sharing and nice to meet you! Peace, Susan NP: Norah Jones/Come Away With Me - --- PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > To all: > In the midst of all this euphoria after the great Joni special, I have a > simple question: is there anyone else out there who loves "Down To You" (from > C&S) as much as me? I think it's so graphic, personal and such an intricate > arrangement..... I've not been a big contributor to this site in the past so > I'm relatively new here. > DTY has been my favorite Joni song for as long as I can remember (at > least 1974, when it came out) and I've been trying to find sheet music for it > so I might try to learn the piano passages in it (I'm a beginner but I try > hard!) I can't locate it anywhere. > Any suggestions appreciated; anyone want to tell me how much you love > that tune also? > > Kenny B Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 12:39:02 +0400 From: Stu Rutherford Subject: Re: Joni & James Update Hi, I'm an English lurker who lives in the UAE chiming in with a few points - * First of all, a great big thanks to Lama for copying cd's and videos for me. What a service to the Joni community! I must admit that when I sent off media and a cheque from the UAE, I was a bit skeptical - was it an Internet ripoff/would the media get stolen in the post or held up at customs? I was a little more worried when Lama said he had sent me 8 Jonifest cd's (which wasn't what I had ordered) - I had no idea what Jonifest was and couldn't believe the quality of the performances, recording and packaging. Thanks to Lama and everyone concerned - these are now amongst my favourite cd's! If there are other newbies on the list, please try to listen to the material - most of it is brilliant! * The state of the list - yes, I couldn't believe how many messages came in and the relevancy of some of them (I guess it's the eye of the beholder). After a while, I got to know a rough idea of the 'senders' whose messages I tended not to be interested in and have filtered these into a place where they belong. * Over here, Virgin/Tower Records etc are not so up to date as in other countries so I read with interest the reviews of 'Travelogue'. To be honest I took the bad reviews with a pinch of salt thinking that maybe the reviewers were traditionalists who weren't 'open'. I still have not seen Travelogue on sale but recently bought 'Both Sides Now' and was completely shocked. I have only played it once and although I know it's crazy to condemn a recording on one hearing, I don't think I'll ever play it again. How does 'Both Sides Now' compare to 'Travelogue' - are the 2 very similar? * Counting Crows - I really like their version of BYT. I always thought Joni's was so unusual in vocal style (at the time) that the magnificent lyrics were lost to the mainstream audience * TNT - I enjoyed watching this (thanks again Lama!) but was disappointed with some of the performers who were not on the show - what happened to Dylan/Young/CSN/Jackson Browne? * I initially got into Joni through listening to a couple of 'Miles of Aisles' tracks on the radio. Prior to that, I'd heard her albums at college in England but had pigeonholed her into the 'folksinger' and 'lonely female student's' music category while I of course was a 'macho guy interested in long haired electric guitar heroes'! My opinion of Joni has changed, I couldn't be macho even if I tried now but I must admit I still like electric guitarists (even if they are not heroes!) Cheers, Stu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 09:59:28 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Amazon update - Midnight EST njc Susan Guzzi wrote: >You two old bats! I am a Leo -we NEVER ignore our birthdays - maybe the year, which in both your >cases is a LOWER number for me. > yeah right.... > - so I say get >busy living or die! > exactly. > You're as young as you feel! > 15 > And - Well at this hour on a Friday night - I >feel REAL good! > but cheap plonk 's affects don't last and is so common-just right for a butch biker bitch.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 11:01:25 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: afri-cans njc hi >>>theodore wrote >>>>on a related note I saw some really cool guitars the other day called afri- cans. They are made out of oil cans. I guess people in South Africa not having 20 billion dollars to buy a fender or a Gibson started fashioning home made guitars from oil cans. A company has started to make them with aluminum necks and solid running gear, pretty darn cool, for about 400 bucks. oh wow!! i cant believe those blik(tin) guitars have made it to the rest of the world. they are a huge tradition here. a 5 litre oil can, fretless wooden neck, nylon strings, and, amazingly, you can actually play them. one of SA's better known guitarists, Sipho Mchunu, who played with Johnny Clegg as "Juluka" started out on one of them. there was also a cheap wooden guitar available here, by the brand name of "bellini" which was famous for selling at fifteen rand (just under two dollars!!). again any number of well known guitarists, and hordes of lesser known ones - like me - got their start on these cheapies. and we also have "real" guitars here. Mark Maingard's handbuilt guitars - as played by one of the CSNY guys (i think it was stephen stills) who made a trip out here especially to buy one and said "A unique and lovely sound; he's really one of the best" http://www.hughsfineguitars.co.za/maingardview.htm just for comparison, martins start at around thirty thousand rand..... ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 10:04:13 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: house insurance njc Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > >And now that you're doing yoga, Colin, that should be easier than ever! > oh you are on form this morning.Lol! It's amazing the positons one can get into. I find the leg ones easy, it's the back, shoulders and arms that are problematic.oh and the balancing on one leg whilts trying to get one leg over that is really hard... > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 10:07:29 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: now: who's dissing norah? -- njc Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >and e-mails from unknown senders promising to >add inches to my little blue fella. > i get those too! I wonder who told on us, Bob? > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 10:09:11 +0100 From: colin Subject: Marian in austriaNJC any one heard from her? It seems she hasn't written tot he list in ages. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 09:58:49 +0000 From: emil thompson Subject: Laurel Canyon Home Movies Hey I didn't even know these movies existed until now, If any of you out there can point me towards a copy I would gladly do an exchange for my Joni 83 wembley vid. I also want to recommend a BBC radio interview/documentary which is fascinating and about an hour long. Also does anyone have any PERO (planet earth rock'n'roll orchestra) recordings as I think Joni may well be on some them. sending a big UK hello to everyone, maybe oneday they'll show the PBS thing here too. emil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 05:40:31 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: My Evening With Annie - NJC In a message dated 05/04/2003 06:59:10 GMT Daylight Time, FredNow@aol.com writes: > I love Annie! Diva is one of my all-time favorites. Love Medusa, too, and > can't wait for the new one. She's brilliant. > > I think Annie Lennox is a great singer, and she can certainly cut it live; I saw Eurythmics in Germany in about 1986, and they were storming (also got to see the great Clem Burke on drums). I played Diva a couple of months ago, and was pleasantly surprised at how well it had stood up - I had thought it might sound overproduced, but it didn't, and the songs were strong. Except Walking On Broken Glass, which I never liked. I HATED Medusa, though! I thought this one really *was* overproduced, to the point of being totally sterile. Her version of Train In Vain would have caused much eye-rolling among members of the Clash, I'm sure. I'd love to hear her her do a more stripped-down record next time. Incidentally, fond as I am of Eurythmics, has anyone else noticed how so many of their songs (and her solo ones) don't have "proper" choruses, by which I mean the choruses simply consist of repeating the title? A few examples: Revival, Angel, The King And Queen Of America, 1984, Why, Walking On Broken Glass, I Need A Man, Savage, etc etc. Not a criticism as such, as some of them work very well. More an observation of the song structures; with some of their most well-known songs it's hard to tell which is the verse, chorus and bridge (and that's definitely not a bad thing!). Azeem in London NP: Richard Thompson - The Old Kit Bag (sounding better with each play) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 05:56:17 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: NJC Stryngs news - the album is available (in the UK...) AND A QUESTION There are lots of fine guitarists here on the list so I'm sure you get some valuable insights. In addition, you'll get some off-topic bits from someone like me. :) I read a short article about Martin Co yesterday in a business magazine. They've been a family owned business for more than 100 years. Martin's boss said that supply of "tone woods" is tight. When a new supply of mahogany becomes available, Martin Co. is able to step in a buy enough to keep them going for a year because he's arranged for some extraordinary bank loans. Studying the books of Steinway, he found out that they've been doing it for years. That gave him the ability to convince his bank that a special loan arrangement is a crucial tool for makers of heirloom-quality instruments. He also said that they've produced a great-sounding guitar made largely from cherry, grown in a replanted farm. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 13:30:00 +0200 From: "Gillian Apter" Subject: NJC Cartoon about the war. Have been enjoying all this Joni content, which is not surprising given what we want to forget. But just to be a wet blanket, I've translated a email cartoon I received scanned from a Spanish newspaper,(don't know which one) which hit home. It's a close-up drawing of a little boy's head who says: "Messrs Bush, Blair and Aznar: I am an Iraqi child and I would like to express my gratitude. I do not doubt your good intentions with the bombings and all, because I imagine that if Saddam continued in power for much longer, our situation would become even worse. Which is why me and my family would like to applaud you and thank you for your efforts." But then the picture pans out and we see him full on. He has no arms and there are 9 coffins stacked behind him. He adds: "Unfortunately, we can't." Despite Spain's government, the majority of newspapers do not hold back. gill in madrid NP BBC world service. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 06:47:03 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: stevie(njc) > > Well, perhaps I need to spend more time with Stevie (the bulk of whose work > > I am not familiar with - you know, except the stuff we have all been > > exposed to). any suggestion, Victor ? Sure! The three albums that stand out to me particularly are- Talking Book, Innervisions, and Fullfillingness First Finale...all of these came out in the 71-74 periond when so much incredible music seems to have been taking place. I think he really finds his voice here, uses the most beautiful unusual chords, and the lyrics just take you somewhere that noone else can. It is the combination of all these things that is so magical, even more so than any of them individually. Some other outstanding albums are "Songs in the Key of Life", "Where I'm Coming From", and "Music in My Mind". Victor Victor Johnson waytoblu@mindspring.com Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" this spring! Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 07:18:05 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Laurel Canyon Home Movies In a message dated 4/5/2003 4:59:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, emil@lessismore.co.uk writes: > Also does anyone have any PERO (planet earth rock'n'roll orchestra) > recordings as I think Joni may well be on some them. > Hi Emil, I've got a 4-CD set of "The Perro Recordings", there's not a lot of Joni but certainly some. These were (from my understanding) the sessions that would become Cros' "If I Could Only Remember My Name", so there are alternate takes of "Laughing", which features Joni on backup vocals. It's hard for me to hear her on other tracks becuase Grace Slick's voice is usually more prominent. Bob NP: Ani, "swing" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 07:20:21 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart & Mind - an informal poll now njc --- FredNow@aol.com wrote: > OK, here's my question for you all: Does anyone > admit to watching it and *not* crying at least once, > if not off and on throughout as I did? I can take a guess. Mark with a number after his name? As for the rest of us, we don't have lives. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 07:27:01 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & James Update In a message dated 4/5/2003 3:39:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, stuart.rutherford@hct.ac.ae writes: > How does 'Both Sides Now' compare to 'Travelogue' - are the 2 very > similar? They are very similar - Travelogue being the better of the two imo. Most of the same players and Vince Mendoza's arrangements. There ARE some wonderful moments on it. And it's certainly FAR more interesting to hear re-workings of "Otis & Marlena", "You Dream Flat Tires", "The Dawntreader" as opposed to 'done to death' songs like "Stormy Weather", "At Last" etc. although there is certainly a value in hearing them done by Joni. > * TNT - I enjoyed watching this (thanks again Lama!) but was > disappointed with some of the performers who were not on the show - > what happened to Dylan/Young/CSN/Jackson Browne? There could have been conflicts. Of course relations between Joni & Jackson are SO strained that they don't even mention each other. I imagine that if an interviewer brought Jackson Browne up in an interview with Joni, that would be the end of the interview. I'd be surprised if Joni even has any "browne" paint in her studio! :~) > > Prior to that, I'd heard her albums at > college in England but had pigeonholed her into the 'folksinger' and > 'lonely female student's' music category while I of course was a > 'macho guy interested in long haired electric guitar heroes'! Hey, I can relate to that...luckily a couple of those female students kept pushing her my way. Thanks for the post, Stu...hope to hear more from ya'! Bob, still macho as hell NP: Ani, "To The Teeth (Shoot-Out Remix)" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 07:40:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, then and now In a message dated 4/4/2003 10:57:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > I don't see how releasing an album of classic American standards > qualifies as a 'collection of ingenue roles' just because two of her > early songs happened to be among them. Really & truly it wasn't HER songs on BSN that I was referring to. Certainly the title track is NOT ingenue; Joni has said repeatedly that it takes a voice of experience to properly present it. On the other hand - songs like "You're My Thrill", "At Last" (at last, my love has come along, my lonely days are over, and life is like a happy song), "Answer Me My Love", seem to DEFINITELY be ingenue songs. And you know there may be more...love songs with a girlish sensibility to them. Now, don't get me wrong - I have NO problem with Joni singing ingenue songs. My point was that she said she didn't want to sing her earlier songs because they were ingenue roles, and then sings somebody else's ingenue songs. So it doesn't make sense to me. I think that closer to the truth is what Joni says about always looking FORWARD and not behind. I think with T'log she enjoyed singing with the orchestra, and wanted to re-present some her own material in that format. OK, so my comment about T'log being Joni juking herself was perhaps not a valid one. It got YOU to post, so I'm still glad I said it! :~) > I think Joni is allowed to re-tool early work. She has a different > perspective and more years of life experience to bring to those songs > and if you listen closely, it really does enhance them. And just to clarify, I totally agree. I just don't think it's consistent with what she's said, that's all. Minor stuff. Bob NP: Ani, "Hurricane" (GREAT Dylan cover) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 07:48:00 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers #39 - Let the games begin! Thanks one last time to everybody who took a stab at getting a free copy of my "Joni Covers, Volume 39" disc. Joining the winner's circle this time 'round are Donna "The Texas Tush" & Chris Treacy. They were the closest to my guess of "Lesson In Survival" from FTR. (Guess I had a little dubya on the brain...) If you didn't win a copy, but want one anyway, let me know and we'll work it out. And stay tuned as we'll move into our 4th decade of Joni covers in a month. Bob NP: Ani, "Little Plastic Castle" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 07:49:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Laurel Canyon Home Movies njc Do you realize that "perro" is spanish for dog? I hope Susan Guzzi is paying attention. --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/5/2003 4:59:31 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > emil@lessismore.co.uk writes: > > > Also does anyone have any PERO (planet earth > rock'n'roll orchestra) > > recordings as I think Joni may well be on some > them. > > > > Hi Emil, I've got a 4-CD set of "The Perro > Recordings", there's not a lot of > Joni but certainly some. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 07:52:51 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Stryngs news - the album is available (in the UK...) AND A QUESTION Martin wrote:- > Probably the last time I posted was a year or so ago, when I was considering > buying a new acoustic guitar and was wondering what people thought would be > a good buy. I got a lot of good advice then, but in the end just had my old > Aria overhauled, and a pick-up fitted. > > Today I went into Hobgoblin Music in Rathbone Place, London and saw that > they had a guitar in there with my name on it (literally - It was a Martin > D15). Well I had to pick it up, didn't I? > > I have fallen in love. > > A total dream to play. Beautifully stable when I fiddled with a couple of > tunings, and putting on the capo didn't pull it out of tune at all. > Gorgeous. > > The question? - They are asking GBP845 for it. Is this a good price? (I saw > on Martin Gtrs website they list at $979 in the US). They're holding it for > me, but I want to be sure of the price before I go spending money that I > don't really have :0( > > Martin. > NPIMH - The beginnings of a new song... > > > > Hi Martin, My view is that if you fall in love with an instrument you should try to buy it if you can. However, I will say that I've been a regular visitor to Hobgoblins over the last few years and, although I've bought a few instruments from them, and sold one there, I think they have a nasty tendancy to overprice and it's certainly worth searching around now you know what you want. I expect you tried Ivor Mairants over the road? Good luck Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:12:44 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #118 << GaryLewis wrote: > Unfortunately I was not able to watch the special on > Tues. night, so I set up > the VCR to tape it. But somehow all I got was snow > and static. Does anyone > know if it will be aired in the future. Thanks Gary >> Gary, if you don't have a good VCR tape head cleaner, go out and buy one; dirty heads are usually the cause of what you've got. If that doesn't do it, it's probably a trip to the repair shop (or a new VCR- does it pay to fix 'em anymore?) Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:22:12 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #118 To all: I don't know where al those "b's" came from in my "long essay", just posted but I hope you all understand there was a glitch somewhere. I wrote & spellchecked it in PageMaker and then copied/pasted into my AOL e-mail; must have been something lost/added in the translation. Sorry 'bout that! Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:27:35 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #118 << >> wrote: "STAS is on a level way beyond the folk or protest genre of that time..." I agree with all you've written on this one, Ted; still one of my six favorite Joni albums. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:30:34 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #118 In a message dated 4/5/03 3:01:45 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << OK, here's my question for you all: Does anyone admit to watching it and *not* crying at least once, if not off and on throughout as I did? - - -Fred >> No, but I'll admit I thought I was the only one who *did* until I started to read these posts. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:34:20 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Stevie Wonder In a message dated 4/5/03 3:01:45 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << "I would rank Stevie Wonder as high as Joni in all of those categories > though that's just me." > > Well, perhaps I need to spend more time with Stevie (the bulk of whose work > I am not familiar with - you know, except the stuff we have all been > exposed to). any suggestion, Victor ? > > Bobsart >> Hey, I can't say that I'm a huge Stevie Wonder fan but if you get a chance, listen to the entire Innervisions album; the music is great, almost a "concept album", and the production values are extraordinary (even on vinyl). Songs In The Key Of Life has some fine moments as well. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:30:34 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #118 In a message dated 4/5/03 3:01:45 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << OK, here's my question for you all: Does anyone admit to watching it and *not* crying at least once, if not off and on throughout as I did? - - -Fred >> No, but I'll admit I thought I was the only one who *did* until I started to read these posts. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 14:26:04 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: NJC Stryngs news - the album is available (in the UK...) AND A QUESTION Hi Jacky Thanks for the advice - you're right, of course, if it feels that good, I should buy it. However, I've just been to Wembley Guitar Centre, where it turns out they have a good range of Martins, and the '15' range is all much cheaper than Hobgoblin's. I'm not sure any of the Wembley guitars were quite the dream to play that the Hobgoblin Martin was - I'm going to go there now to have another go on it. But, knowing that Wembley will fit a Martin pick-up and give me a hard case for about 120 quid less than Hobgoblin's price for the guitar only, gives me some bargaining power! Cheers! Martin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gertus@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org Cc: mlg@ukonline.co.uk Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: Re: NJC Stryngs news - the album is available (in the UK...) AND A QUESTION Martin wrote:- Probably the last time I posted was a year or so ago, when I was considering buying a new acoustic guitar and was wondering what people thought would be a good buy. I got a lot of good advice then, but in the end just had my old Aria overhauled, and a pick-up fitted. Today I went into Hobgoblin Music in Rathbone Place, London and saw that they had a guitar in there with my name on it (literally - It was a Martin D15). Well I had to pick it up, didn't I? I have fallen in love. A total dream to play. Beautifully stable when I fiddled with a couple of tunings, and putting on the capo didn't pull it out of tune at all. Gorgeous. The question? - They are asking GBP845 for it. Is this a good price? (I saw on Martin Gtrs website they list at $979 in the US). They're holding it for me, but I want to be sure of the price before I go spending money that I don't really have :0( Martin. NPIMH - The beginnings of a new song... Hi Martin, My view is that if you fall in love with an instrument you should try to buy it if you can. However, I will say that I've been a regular visitor to Hobgoblins over the last few years and, although I've bought a few instruments from them, and sold one there, I think they have a nasty tendancy to overprice and it's certainly worth searching around now you know what you want. I expect you tried Ivor Mairants over the road? Good luck Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 10:13:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Stevie Wonder njc --- PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > Hey, I can't say that I'm a huge Stevie Wonder > fan but if you get a > chance, listen to the entire Innervisions album; the > music is great, almost a > "concept album", and the production values are > extraordinary (even on vinyl). > Songs In The Key Of Life has some fine moments as > well. Stevie's music and production are outstanding. His lyrics don't get as high a rating, IMO, not all the time. One that stands out for me, just off the top of my head anyway, is "Big Brother" from Talking Book. This came out in '72, but it could have been yesterday (had to pull out the CD to get the words, of course!): Your name is big brother You say that you're watching me on the tele Seeing me go nowhere Your name is big brother You say that you're tired of me protesting Children dying everyday My name is nobody But I can't wait to see your face inside my door. Your name is big brother You say that you got me in your notebook Writing it down everyday Your name is I'll see ya I'll change if you vote me in as the pres The President of your soul I live in the ghetto You just come to vist me round election time I live in the ghetto Someday I will move on my feet to the other side My name is secluded we live in a house the size of a matchbox Roaches live with us wall to wall You've killed all our leaders I don't even have to do nothin' to you You'll cause your own country to fall ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 10:15:18 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #118 --- PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/5/03 3:01:45 AM, les@jmdl.com > writes: > > << OK, here's my question for you all: Does anyone > admit to watching it and > *not* crying at least once, if not off and on > throughout as I did? > > - -Fred > >> > > No, but I'll admit I thought I was the only one > who *did* until I started > to read these posts. > Men should cry more often. It's sexy. But not too often. That's not sexy. Aren't you glad to know you're not freaks though? If everybody cried, then crying is normal (either that, or we're all freaks, but there's safety in numbers.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 10:22:17 EST From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart & Mind - an informal poll Gosh Fred, I didn't cry once during WOHAM ! ( Of course i was unable to watch it since our PBS afiliate, in their infinite wisdom, choose not to air it !) I have been sobbing incessantly every time I attempt to read the posts. I seem to be experiencing a melancholy; which is a strange mix of disapointment in not being able to view the documentary, and being overwhelmed by the beauty of some of the posts. I'm anixious to view it . I'm sure I'll be very emotional when I do, since just listening to her music often brings me to tears... Needless to say, I'm heartbroken that I was unable to experience it with the rest of you JMDLers. Still Jonily Yours, Warren Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 10:29:43 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart & Mind - an informal poll Warren et all...u can view some of the clips here which they say weren't included in the original broadcast, dunno, because i haven't viewed them yet... http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/mitchell_j_footage.html ~rosie in nj NP: Joni, Down to You, Court & Spark In the morning there are lovers in the street They look so high You brush against a stranger And you both apologize ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 06:31:11 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: welcome! and Down to You Welcome, Ken and thanks for revealing so much in your post. I especially enjoyed the moment you and your piano teacher found that you love the same chord. Certain chord do that for me too! Also, a welcome to all the other folks who are posting these days, both new and "de-lurking." I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet. I'm almost positive Down to You won a grammy for Joni and Tom Scott for the instrumental arrangement. (I know, go look in the archives... I'm so bad at that). When I think about it, Joni has worked on so many levels, in such detail and with such amazing results. Her lyrics: most poetic, intelligent lyrics, bar none Her melodies: intricate, groundbreaking, challenging Her textures: she's added layer upon layer over the years - Down to You was, I think, a milestone for her. In looking at it all as a whole, her music started out melodically and lyrically complex, and has become more and more textured over the years. So I guess the orchestral work is really a culmination of that. Still, it would be wonderful to see her take a new direction, explore new territory for her. (OK, so I just want her to write more.) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 06:51:10 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: Marian in austriaNJC colin wrote:any one heard from her? It seems she hasn't written tot he list in ages. Ive been wondering the same thing! Marian are you out there??? You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 10:58:46 -0500 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: A Woman of Heart and Mind It was especially nice to see Ms. Mitchell enjoying the company of her grandchildren ...on another note... wonders of wonders managed to catch "The Hissing of Summer Lawns" getting airplay on Music Choice ( channel 817 in NYC/NJ area) - could this be a start of a real renaissance in music? S. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:03:21 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: happy news njc I' sure many of you have heard the news that Diana Krall and Elvis Costello are engaged!! I think that is just SOO cool! Best Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 11:10:44 EST From: Wiloboy@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #117 Hello Thought I'd surface from lurkdom and say hello, I've been trying to keep up with the JMDL since last Oct. Joined a few weeks before Travelogue came out. Really enjoy all your comments. You guys have turned me on to Kyle Eastwwod, Rickie Lee, Ute Lemper and WFUV which I now listen to at work. Thanks! Also thanks to Lama and Bob for making copies for me. I started listening to Joni after watching her PBS concert in 69, ran out and bought Clouds. I've bought every one since but I must admit I did "loose" Joni after Mingus! I would buy the albums as they came out listen a few times and shelve them, except for NRH and CMIARS. Then BSN came out. I had already started listening to Billie Holiday, Ella and Frank (now who would have thought that 20 years ago!) BSN just knocked me out. Funny, this is the album I had waited for all those years, yet if I heard it 20 years ago I wouldn't have liked it. I had read in Rolling Stone that Joan wanted to do 2 more orchestral albums. I waited ... and waited... I lowered my expectations knowing it couldn't be as good as BSN, much to my surprize I loved it. I think it's the greatest! I've read all your comments and I understand where some of you are coming from with the smoking and changes in her voice. It still sounds beautiful to me! More expressive than ever. Anyway... Travelogue has inspired me to relisten to some of the albums I shelved years ago. I'm rediscovering Joni all over again. What a great place to be! I think I'll go watch WOHAM for the third time... Wil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 11:23:14 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: now: who's dissing norah? -- njc Colin writes: << i get those too! I wonder who told on us, Bob? >> WALLY. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 06:43:06 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: My Evening With Annie - NJC Susan Guzzi writes: > ANNIE LENNOX - The Schubert Theater - April 1, 2003 and then Fred gushes on with: I love Annie! Diva is one of my all-time favorites. Love Medusa, too, and can't wait for the new one. She's brilliant. Wish I could have been there. Oh I love her too...sweet dreams are made of this...so many fabulous songs. Fantastic review Suse...thanks ! When I hear Annie, I am transported back to Halifax....where many sweet dreams came to life :-) You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:12:04 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Laurel Canyon Home Movies "If I Could Only Remember My > Name", so there are alternate takes of "Laughing", which features > Joni on backup vocals. It's hard for me to hear her on other tracks > becuase Grace Slick's voice is usually more prominent. > I bought this on vinyl for the sole reason that it had *both* Joni and Grace on it. They were both my idols at the time. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 11:47:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #117 Hello In a message dated 4/5/2003 11:14:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, Wiloboy@aol.com writes: > Travelogue has inspired me to relisten to some of the albums I > shelved years ago. I'm rediscovering Joni all over again. We've already had some offlist chatter, but I wanted to "officially" welcome you Wil...always good to get more southern boys on the list. And I think that with the broadcast of WOHAM we'll be seeing LOTS of people re-connecting (or perhaps connecting for the first time) to Joni. I hope she's sharing in the joy of these good times. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 11:52:38 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Laurel Canyon Home Movies In a message dated 4/5/2003 11:45:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > I bought this on vinyl for the sole reason that it had *both* Joni and > Grace on it. They were both my idols at the time. > So you've gotta LOVE the video from the Dick Cavett show when Grace leads the crowd in a standing O for Joni when she plays her set. Way cool. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 11:54:13 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case of ? Marianne asks, > -------------> When you hear "A Case of YOU," what kind of "case" > > comes to your mind? > '82 Mouton. Not even my wife gets to know the rest of my dream. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 11:54:13 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case of ? Marianne asks, > -------------> When you hear "A Case of YOU," what kind of "case" > > comes to your mind? > '82 Mouton. Not even my wife gets to know the rest of my dream. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 11:52:38 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Laurel Canyon Home Movies In a message dated 4/5/2003 11:45:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > I bought this on vinyl for the sole reason that it had *both* Joni and > Grace on it. They were both my idols at the time. > So you've gotta LOVE the video from the Dick Cavett show when Grace leads the crowd in a standing O for Joni when she plays her set. Way cool. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 11:57:02 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart & Mind - an informal poll I just called the # to order my copy of WOHAM and I got this automated system which I guess they had to resort to....I had to spell out my town which is difficult as it is Piscataway....I sure hope it arrives here. I ordered my Bruce tix this way and they failed to include my apt.#, thank goodness my mailman knows me with all the boots I receive here on a weekly basis rosie in nj NP: Laura Nyro-Sweet Dream Fade In the morning there are lovers in the street They look so high You brush against a stranger And you both apologize ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 12:28:44 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Mingus and TS Eliot patrick replied > i thought the t.s. eliot idea was directly from mingus, and not from a third > party. think i heard that before, and i think that's what sue mingus said > as well. > > i think sue quoted joni's response as: 'don't think i want to mess with > t.s. > eliot's words' > > patrick > I was listening to Sue Mingus on the radio at the time, on the way to catch the last segment of the show live. I could easily be confusing this with a different attribution from a different time, but in the back of my head I hear someone saying that Joni said she would sooner capsulize the Bible than that poem 9was it Love Song ?). More signs of early Alzheimers on my part? Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 09:35:06 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Amazon update - Midnight EST njc In a sad attempt to drag me into the "Old Coots Home" Colin wrote and I responded I said: > You're as young as you feel! > Father Time wrote: > 15 > Well I said "as you feel Colin, not as you act!" Then I said: > > And - Well at this hour on a Friday night - I feel REAL good! > > Colin said: but cheap plonk 's affects don't last and is so common-just right for a > butch biker bitch.... > Well Butch and bitch you got right - but hey its working for me! And last nite like a drunken sailor going for a tattoo ... I acted like a biker bitch and got a piercing, so now I am wearng another earring and its nowhere near my ear! And what exactly is "plonk?" And finally leave it to you and the Smurph to eventually getting around to adding your "little blue guys" to a thread. Seems you two cant keep those out of anything! Peace, Susan Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 18:08:13 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: now: who's dissing norah? -- njc Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >Colin writes: > ><< i get those too! I wonder who told on us, Bob? >> > >WALLY. > as if he had anything to write home about.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 18:47:22 +0100 From: "Eryl B Davies" Subject: Re: who's dissing norah? -- njc JMDL Digest V2003 #218 I must agree with a lot that has been said about her. She makes nice sounds but it doesn't move me as much as Gillian Welch has over the past few weeks. All this publicity now for what is not a particularly earth moving album will probably work against her with her follow up. Many people who have listened to her now will be suspicious of any hype for the next, no matter how good the album may be. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 12:49:36 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: BBC video Bob Muller replied: > The thing that strikes me about that video is the transition from the '70 > Pink Dress show, where Joni is just oooozing joy from every pore, to the > '74 > gig where her mouth has that turndown thing going on and she seems a bit > burned out; still, it;s wonderful footage, and a reminder just how good Tom > > Scott is on so many instruments! > > Bob > Funny story. I have that tape (the BBC tape), courtesy of Bob Muller. In our correspondence leading up to my receiving it (with many other goodies) I got the impression that it was just the Pink Dress concert. So, after viewing the 45- minute concert and seeing the closing credit, I rewound and lent it to to friends. Got it back 3 months later, and put it on Thursday night at 11:15, figuring I'd fade off around midnight. I wake up at 12:30, and I'm in the middle of this other concert . What's this ? turns out the tape's over two 2 hours long. So, that keeps me up until 2 am of course, and I'm OkraMan at work the next day - but as Bob said, what a contrast. Turns out both my friend only looked at the Pink Dress concert, too, so I ended up lending it out again ! Taking what Bob M said one step farther, sequencing the Pink Dress, the Miles of Aisles and the S&L footage, then the Refuge video then the big jump to PWW& M provides a pretty insightful overall view of Joni the performer (I have my own images of the second Carnegie hall concert - which came between Pink Dress and MOA - and the BSN tour, too). Really and truly, I could drink a case of her, and still be on my feet. Unlike all the rest of you. ;-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 13:00:34 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & James Update - njc SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Bob, still macho as hell >> LOL! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 13:04:22 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue and such kenny B wrote: > Blue is actually in a class of its own; I think it is the most > deeply sincere and introspective thing Joni ever did. For some artists, > those > things don't seem to hold up well but in Joni's case, I think her fans are > so > passionate about her and her music, that the deep things are given their > proper respect. When WFUV (member-supported radio in NYC) has its > listener's > polls, Blue always comes out as the favorite Joni album. > > Kenny B > > You must have been listening to Stephen Holden, who was featured prominently on this topic in the AM show Wednesday. His quote on this raw, nerve-tingling compilation was "never before, and never since". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 12:17:51 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Claudia Schmidt njc Are there any Claudia Schmidt fans out there? I was really into her music when I was in college (about 20 years ago), but sort of "lost touch" with her. My best friend asked me if I wanted to go see her last night, so we drove through a horrible sleet storm to this wonderful tiny cafe/pub in a small Wisconsin town about an hour an a half from Milwaukee. There were only about 15 people there, so it felt like a personal concert and we had a lot of chances to chat with her. Claudia was just as I remembered her....She gave us a superb night of her unique brand of enternainment: fun stories, poetry, beautiful expressive songs, and great guitar and dulcimer work. If you ever get the chance to see her, you won't be disappointed!!! Kerry NP - Claudia Schmidt - Hard Love ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 10:28:15 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Claudia Schmidt njc Kerry! OMFG! There is a name out of the past - Claudia Schmidt! She does one of the most incredibly beautiful versions of "Since I Fell For You." Wondered what ever happened to her. She used to play clubs in Chicago all the time - as you say about 20 years ago, glad she is still working. I will keep an eye open for her aroud town. I remember being at some function or music fest in a bar and meeting her maybe 20 - 25 years ago. Thanks for the update Kerry! Peace, Susan - --- kerry wrote: > Are there any Claudia Schmidt fans out there? > > I was really into her music when I was in college (about 20 years ago), but > sort of "lost touch" with her. My best friend asked me if I wanted to go > see her last night, so we drove through a horrible sleet storm to this > wonderful tiny cafe/pub in a small Wisconsin town about an hour an a half > from Milwaukee. There were only about 15 people there, so it felt like a > personal concert and we had a lot of chances to chat with her. Claudia was > just as I remembered her....She gave us a superb night of her unique brand > of enternainment: fun stories, poetry, beautiful expressive songs, and > great guitar and dulcimer work. If you ever get the chance to see her, you > won't be disappointed!!! > > Kerry > > NP - Claudia Schmidt - Hard Love Yahoo! 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