From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #216 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, April 4 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 216 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: A case of you ["Bree Mcdonough" ] happy birthday ["Kate Bennett" ] Woman Of Heart & Mind ["Kate Bennett" ] Wally [Steve Dulson ] Re: Bette Midler - NJC [colin ] Re: Wally ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Wally [Steve Dulson ] Amazon Update - 2:00 pm EST ["Lori Fye" ] RE: Right again!! Hope and Denial - joni content, we hope ["Kate Bennett"] I missed the PBS special! ["GaryLewis" ] Re: I missed the PBS special! [Jerry Notaro ] Re: moon at the window [Susan McNamara ] 2 Converts to Joni [Phyliss Ward ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #115 [ROSCOE1TC@aol.com] Re: Joni on Video! 100% JC [Jerry Notaro ] Fwd: Amazon Top 100 Update [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: now: who's dissing norah? -- njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: A case of you - njc nw [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: who's dissing norah? -- njc ["kerry" ] Re: Down to You [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Joni and Mingus -- now with zero JC -- njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Down to You [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Aussie Members ["Don Whiteman" ] Re: Down to You [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: Fwd: Amazon Top 100 Update NJC [Susan Guzzi ] Woman of Heart And Mind [] Re: Amazon Top 100 Update - NJC ["Lori Fye" ] My Evening With Annie - NJC [Susan Guzzi ] RE: Aussie Members ["theodore" ] Re: now: who's dissing norah? -- njc [colin ] Re: Aussie Members [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: house insurance njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Amazon update - Midnight EST njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: Amazon Top 100 Update - NJC ["theodore" ] RE: Joni and Mingus ["patrick leader" ] Joni t-shirts ["marilyn huggins" ] Re: Thursday Night at Jonifest ["marilyn huggins" ] Re: Me and My Mojo ["marilyn huggins" ] RE: Me and My Mojo ["theodore" ] Re: A case of you [Catherine McKay ] Re: I missed the PBS special! [Catherine McKay ] Re: A case of you ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Down to You ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: NJC Stryngs news - the album is available (in the UK...) AND A QUESTION [Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A case of you You and a case of fine wine! Bree >Wanna play? > >Okay . . . I want you to answer this question FAST . . . the first thing >that pops into your head. . . ready? > >-------------> When you hear "A Case of YOU," what kind of "case" > > comes to your mind? > > > >What do YOU visualize? > >Answer quickly. > >Thanks. > >Marianne > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:30:56 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: happy birthday happy birthday catherine, you make me laugh every day! thank you for your wonderful humor & hope you had a lovely day ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:31:02 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Woman Of Heart & Mind i finally got to watch it last night, from 1pm to 2:30 so i was sorta half asleep but this is the first broadcast i was able to catch (for those who tell me about vcrs, thanks i know, mine doesn't record)...it will be rebroadcast several more times (satellite) so i hope to be more awake next time... my favorite interview was nash talking about watching joni write- how she was so oblivious to the world around her, channeling in his words...my favorite photo- the one of her with mingus- oh my god her simple, sophisticated beauty in that shot was breathtaking...the whole special was so poetic & i think so reflective of her artistic essence...my only regret is not having cohen mentioned or interviewed... kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:52:14 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Wally Bob...no, the OTHER Bob...wrote: > Bob, thinking about the mischievous Wally Breese who > called Joni's parents > and recorded her Dad saying "Hello?"....Hello?... Wasn't it so cool to see the PWWAM segments of WOHM, with Wally's smiling face behind Joni's elbow? It was one of the many choke-up inducing moments...Kilauren, Marlon and Daisy being another... Hopping back on the trolley to Lurkerville... - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 19:56:33 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Bette Midler - NJC Lori Fye wrote: >>here daft means means silly. >> >> > > > >Oh Colin!! It means "frivolously gay," too! Imagine that!! : ) > see, it IS a good wrod! > >Lori the lez ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 10:57:23 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Wally > Wasn't it so cool to see the PWWAM segments of WOHM, with Wally's > smiling face behind Joni's elbow? I missed that! You mean I'll have to watch it AGAIN??? Darn. ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:01:52 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Re: Wally >I missed that! You mean I'll have to watch it AGAIN??? Ah, the things we must go through for our SIQUOMB. :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 11:06:28 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Amazon Update - 2:00 pm EST Joni is still holding 10% (TEN PERCENT!) of the positions on Amazon's Top 100: 16. Blue 22. Court and Spark 27. Song to a Seagull 31. Ladies of the Canyon 33. Hejira 34. Clouds 51. Mingus 52. Hits 74. For The Roses 82. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter It should be interesting to watch this as the program is rebroadcast (assuming it will be). Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:18:58 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Right again!! Hope and Denial - joni content, we hope saw part of his show here last week- it was a quartet with herbie, sax, drum, bass >>herbie hancock's big project right now is an orchestral tour based on the album 'gershwin's world'. << kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:20:57 -0500 From: "GaryLewis" Subject: I missed the PBS special! Unfortunately I was not able to watch the special on Tues. night, so I set up the VCR to tape it. But somehow all I got was snow and static. Does anyone know if it will be aired in the future. Thanks Gary ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:26:37 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: I missed the PBS special! PBS is broadcast by your local PBS station. Check their website. Most are rebroadcasting it 3 or 4 times. Jerry GaryLewis wrote: >Unfortunately I was not able to watch the special on Tues. night, so I set up >the VCR to tape it. But somehow all I got was snow and static. Does anyone >know if it will be aired in the future. Thanks Gary ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 20:25:50 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: NJC Stryngs news - the album is available (in the UK...) AND A QUESTION Chris asked me to say 'hi', so here I am. I've been subscribed to the digest in total lurk mode for years now, but I guess it's time to momentarily delurk, when our album is finally available. And I have a question to the guitarists on the list.. Probably the last time I posted was a year or so ago, when I was considering buying a new acoustic guitar and was wondering what people thought would be a good buy. I got a lot of good advice then, but in the end just had my old Aria overhauled, and a pick-up fitted. Today I went into Hobgoblin Music in Rathbone Place, London and saw that they had a guitar in there with my name on it (literally - It was a Martin D15). Well I had to pick it up, didn't I? I have fallen in love. A total dream to play. Beautifully stable when I fiddled with a couple of tunings, and putting on the capo didn't pull it out of tune at all. Gorgeous. The question? - They are asking GBP845 for it. Is this a good price? (I saw on Martin Gtrs website they list at $979 in the US). They're holding it for me, but I want to be sure of the price before I go spending money that I don't really have :0( Martin. NPIMH - The beginnings of a new song... > Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:14:24 +0100 > From: Chris Marshall > Subject: NJC Stryngs news - the album is available (in the UK...) > > I've been babbling on to you guys for ages about our > album, but THIS IS IT! It's finished - recorded, mixed, > mastered, manufactured - the whole shebang. > > If you're in the UK, you can order now, via post or > using PayPal on our website, www.stryngs.com . > > If you're in the US, there'll be about a week's > delay before general availability: Ashara has kindly > offered to to US and Canadian distribution for us, > and we've got to wait for a consignment of CDs to > get to her. Once they're there, I'll add a PayPal > payment link for the US and Canada, and announce > here again. > > The website has been thoroughly reworked, and has > track samples as before. > > As a whole, the band is really excited to have this > CD done and dusted - and we're so looking forward to > sharing it with you all. For those who have no idea > what we're about, musically, we are:- > > Strings: vocals, lyrics > Martin Giles (come on, say hi, Martin): guitars, > backing vocals > Me: fretless bass > > The lyrics have been known to make grown men (and soldiers) > cry, and are a long way from naive love songs. I've put some > small lyric fragments up on the website with the audio samples - > please take a look when you have time. > > I'll quit banging on about it now, and watch my website for > hits :) (Oh, and we're working on getting some pretty > neat airplay... if I hear more, I'll let you know.) > > - --Chris Marshall > > chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) > > "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" > Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" > Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 11:33:05 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni on Video! 100% JC 4 weeks from now IS May. I could ship a VHS/DVD from my remote N.Cal outpost via Media Mail (lowest priority) and it would arrive anywhere in the US in 4 or 5 days. That's why I think it is not really ready to ship. RR snowing like hell this morning Jerry Notaro wrote: > Yes they are. They say to give it 4 weeks to receive from NYC. I think the > one that isn't available until May is the one with an additional 30 minutes > in it. But who can wait until then??!! And yes, I'll end up buying that one, > too. > > Jerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > Catherine McKay > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:04 PM > To: Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu; _JMDL > Subject: Re: Joni on Video! 100% JC > > Are they shipping now? I thought it wasn't going to be available until May. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:33:18 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: moon at the window If you go to this site: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/mitchell_j_timeline_flash.html there is a timeline, and as you scroll through it, in 1965 it talks about when Joni becomes pregnant and the note Mark McGrath leaves her. this site also has some great film clips that were left out of the documentary. sue >Hi, Could you please point me to where you found that tidbit about >Moon at the Window? > >Thanks, Janine > > > >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! >Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 12:34:06 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: 2 Converts to Joni Hi Folks! Yes I'm still lurking. You'll be happy to know I've converted 2 new Joni listeners in the last month. A good friend of mine moved to Hawaii and as a going away present I gave her a copy of Hejira. She's a very spiritual soul so I thought she'd "get it". She emailed me the other day saying she loves it so much she is usually playing it 3-4 times a day!!! (And each time she thinks of me ; - )) I sent a "notice" out to many on my email list announcing the American Masters presentation. Among other positive replies I got this one from my friend Beth: ......"Thanks to your shameless Joni promoting I just finished watching the PBS American Masters show featuring her. I'm dumbfounded. I'm wondering where I've been all these years. I've heard her songs in my head but never realized her genius. The TV I used did not have great reception for that station consequently the picture was pretty snowy. So I ordered the DVD of the show. This is definitely one I want to keep. I am transfixed."...... Pretty cool, huh? Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:34:46 EST From: ROSCOE1TC@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #115 hi, everyone. everyone seems to be giving their opinion of the show. i may as well, too. even though it was joni's life on the screen, i couldn't help feeling that it was MINE, too. that either means i am very self-centered, or else that a good part of my life has been tangled up in the soundtrack that she has created for us to live by. perhaps (probably) that was not her intention, but that's the way it has played out for me. i was thrilled by the show--the sight of unseen footage (at least unseen by me), and i was thrilled to see her get the pbs treatment. i also came away with a sense of melancholy, a sense that something has passed....something has ended. it's so hard not to be selfish, to want more.... i'm trying to agree with those of you have said that she's possibly not finished. i'd love to think that she'll get the urge to communicate with us again. wouldn't it be nice? i, too, loved the footage of her skating.... but those pictures were probably taken in cahoots with the hejira album art, don't you think? perhaps they just put those later pictures with the earlier song, "river." the absolute highlight, to me, was the few seconds of her playing "a case of you" on her lap dulcmer. bless her heart. such beauty. such truth. such vulnerability. such a wonder. that 's my two cents worth. :-) it sounds like the show made a whole bunch of us happy. peace to all. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:39:44 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni on Video! 100% JC You are right, Randy. I just called Channel 13 in NY and waited for 20 minutes until I could talk to a live person. The rep told me they won't be available until May 1st. But they ware taking orders now and your card will not be charged until it is shopped. The good news is she said the phone lines have been ringing off the hook for Joni!!!!!!!!! Jerry Randy Remote wrote: >4 weeks from now IS May. >I could ship a VHS/DVD from my remote N.Cal outpost via >Media Mail (lowest priority) and it would arrive anywhere >in the US in 4 or 5 days. That's why I think it is not really >ready to ship. >RR >snowing like hell this morning > >Jerry Notaro wrote: > > > >>Yes they are. They say to give it 4 weeks to receive from NYC. I think the >>one that isn't available until May is the one with an additional 30 minutes >>in it. But who can wait until then??!! And yes, I'll end up buying that one, >>too. >> >>Jerry >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >>Catherine McKay >>Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:04 PM >>To: Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu; _JMDL >>Subject: Re: Joni on Video! 100% JC >> >>Are they shipping now? I thought it wasn't going to be available until May. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:45:58 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Amazon Top 100 Update Return-path: From: KJHSF@aol.com Full-name: KJHSF Message-ID: <122.20e68f8b.2bbf5701@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:45:37 EST Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100 Update To: Mark129@cs.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain In a message dated 4/4/2003 6:06:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, Mark129@cs.com writes: > Hello, > Part of your education is to try listening to others like Laura > Nyro,Nancy La Mott,Eva Cassidy,oh,nevermind they are all dead;kind of like > your Amazon statistics. later,mark Where does an attack of this sort come from, Mark? I have not been a party to any sort of disagreement with you that would warrant such a response about a post of mine which did nothing but update members of the JONI MITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST about our agreed upon topic. Furthermore, I have a great appreciation for Laura Nyro, and I think Eva Cassidy had one of the purest, on the mark and under-appreciated voices in pop music. So exactly what is your point? You don't know me. You have no idea of the scope of my musical taste. And your pissy comments, incidentally, displaying the quality of your brain, are testament to this. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:51:06 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: now: who's dissing norah? -- njc Colin writes: << she is brown and beauftul and not blue and teeny >> Racist and sizist. << Strange how even despite those big ears, you can't hear well. >> Bashing the handicapped. << we must aceept our lot in life or become bitter old smurphs >> Judgmental and ageist with a typo. And Guzzi writes: << Now Smurph isn't it normally I - who has to protect YOU from the motorcycle types - I can't help it if they all love you cause you're so butch! >> I am what I am, dear, and I appreciate the protection. << Norah is a step in the right direction. >> I agree, if the direction you're headed in is sleep! XO and happy weekend, everyone! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:52:53 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: A case of you - njc nw Marianne asks: << What do YOU visualize? >> Bud Light. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:02:07 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Re: who's dissing norah? -- njc Bob wrote: > I know you love getting me into fights, Guzzi ("Oh, Smurf! Those motorcycle > guys just flirted with me!"), so I want to set the record straight, so to > speak, on Norah. I don't dislike her. She made a sweet little record. But > I'll be damned if I can tell one song from another. There's also a strange > lack of energy to the whole thing. And I am bitter that she won more Grammys > in one night than you-know-who has won in 35 years. I agree totally. I like the first few songs, but after that I'm bored silly and the rest becomes background music. I actually feel sorry for her, winning all those Grammys so early in her career. Where does she go from here? I can't be bitter toward her though, because she's so damn cute! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:01:45 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Down to You To all: In the midst of all this euphoria after the great Joni special, I have a simple question: is there anyone else out there who loves "Down To You" (from C&S) as much as me? I think it's so graphic, personal and such an intricate arrangement..... I've not been a big contributor to this site in the past so I'm relatively new here. DTY has been my favorite Joni song for as long as I can remember (at least 1974, when it came out) and I've been trying to find sheet music for it so I might try to learn the piano passages in it (I'm a beginner but I try hard!) I can't locate it anywhere. Any suggestions appreciated; anyone want to tell me how much you love that tune also? Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:01:38 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Mingus -- now with zero JC -- njc Mr. Muller writes: << Mingus originally wanted Joni to adapt this ts eliot stuff to music >> Synchro time again! I just saw a newspaper ad for a movie starring Helena Bonham Carter called "Till Human Voices Wake Us," which "bases much of its imagery on the mellifluous lines of (T.S. Eliot's) 'Prufrock.'" More synchro: When I was in college, which as we all know was when Mingus was a little boy, I wrote a screenplay for "Prufrock." Damn, I used to be ahead of my time! - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:14:05 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Down to You In a message dated 4/4/2003 5:02:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, PassScribe@aol.com writes: > Any suggestions appreciated; anyone want to tell me how much you love > that tune also? It's in my top 5, Kenny...I refer to it as "Joni's second symphony" (Judgement of the Moon & Stars being #1). I love EVERYTHING about it, the musical interludes & instrumental colors, the way she even uses *silence* as an instrument in itself is brilliant. And one of her finest lyrics, feeling the aftermath of the one-night encounter: "In the morning there are lovers on the street, They look so high. You brush against a stranger and you both apologize" Really, like the Hejira songs (and many others), you can just keep writing out the lyrics as they never stray from perfection. But that particular passage has always just kicked me in the gut. Bob NP: Smashing Pumpkins, "To Sheila" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:34:47 +1000 From: "Don Whiteman" Subject: Aussie Members Hi all, I am an aussie member, just new to this but I am looking for any other aussie members. are tape trees (video) out there can be used on aussie TV (PAL D) as we use a different format to USA (NTSC). we seem to be out inthe cold down here. Don ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:39:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Down to You I love this song. Incredibly moving...especially Clutching the night to you like a fig leaf You hurry To the blackness And the blankets To lay down an impression And your loneliness... Breaks my heart every time...the way the words tumble out...then there's that pause, a breath, and onto in the morning there are lovers.... sigh. I have a mediocre xerox of the piano music...someone else probably has a better copy. Jenny SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 4/4/2003 5:02:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, PassScribe@aol.com writes: > Any suggestions appreciated; anyone want to tell me how much you love > that tune also? It's in my top 5, Kenny...I refer to it as "Joni's second symphony" (Judgement of the Moon & Stars being #1). I love EVERYTHING about it, the musical interludes & instrumental colors, the way she even uses *silence* as an instrument in itself is brilliant. And one of her finest lyrics, feeling the aftermath of the one-night encounter: "In the morning there are lovers on the street, They look so high. You brush against a stranger and you both apologize" Really, like the Hejira songs (and many others), you can just keep writing out the lyrics as they never stray from perfection. But that particular passage has always just kicked me in the gut. Bob NP: Smashing Pumpkins, "To Sheila" "Now I used to think that I was cool running around on fossil fuel, until I saw what I was doing was driving down the road to ruin..." JT Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:44:38 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Fwd: Amazon Top 100 Update NJC Hi Ken ... AND Mark129, Well I was going to keep my mouth shut but now I have to say SOMETHING! I wont quote the private email verbatim that Mark wrote to me, but the tone seems the same as you got Ken. And yet another lister friend also received an email - privately from Mark. We were both told after our reviews of WOHAM - to GET A GRIP! Our sentiment was shirked and comments made about our emotions. And my question would be - why not to the list Mark? Whats Up Mark? I dont know you , dont know why you think you can write me privately, why you felt the need to be mean, what was so different in my post or Kens or my friends that you felt you had to reprimand us. Now grant it,we all tease and play here but that comes with a little thing called familiarity or FRIENDSHIP! I dont know you and my first impression of you SUCKS! So why don't YOU get a grip buddy! Until people know you, post to the list, anything you say can held against you. The list is for sharing all our veiws and our perspectives. Why was mine so troubling to you or why was Kens or who knows how many others recieved your reprimand. Do you have intimacy problems? No there was nothing threatening or horrific in those emails, but it was troubling and written buy someone IMO who IS troubled. So get a grip yourself Buddy and NEVER write me privately again ... I worry when asomeone who is on a discussion list spending all their time writing smug posts off list - anything to hide or just a trouble maker? IF - I have not been clear - just insert Ken's response ...glad yo didn't take it lying down Ken and thanks again for all the updates! It was fun till the killjoy came a calling. Peace, Susan sorry to the rest of you for the tone, but its very disturbing to me, my friend and I am sure Ken or any others who may have received one of these emails - cause you know there may be more. - --- KJHSF@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/4/2003 6:06:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, Mark129@cs.com > writes: > > > Hello, > > Part of your education is to try listening to others like Laura > > Nyro,Nancy La Mott,Eva Cassidy,oh,nevermind they are all dead;kind of like > > your Amazon statistics. later,mark > > Where does an attack of this sort come from, Mark? I have not been a party > to any sort of disagreement with you that would warrant such a response about > a post of mine which did nothing but update members of the JONI MITCHELL > DISCUSSION LIST about our agreed upon topic. > Furthermore, I have a great appreciation for Laura Nyro, and I think Eva > Cassidy had one of the purest, on the mark and under-appreciated voices in > pop music. So exactly what is your point? You don't know me. You have no > idea of the scope of my musical taste. And your pissy comments, > incidentally, displaying the quality of your brain, are testament to this. > > Ken Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 18:21:00 -0500 From: Subject: Woman of Heart And Mind Yeah, there's been a lot of cross-polination. Since day One. I was first aware of the phrase "world music" when reviews of Paul Simon's "Graceland" appeared. While I like the album, he wasn't the first person to be influenced by other cultures. On the JMDL, I said something like "Joni was doing world music before the phrase was invented." I guess all of us who "get it" know that. Karen expressed it nearly the same way in her bio. Lama RR wrote: >>The 'world music pioneer' tag doesn't really ring true. Josephine Baker in the '30's. Carmen Miranda in the 40's. Stan Getz and Herbie Mann brought Brazilian music to the mainstream in the early 60's. Harry Belafonte's "Banana Boat Song", Trini Lopez' "Lemon Tree". Even Sinatra did two LP's with Jobim. Santana crossed latin music with rock in 1969, while Joni was 5 full albums away from using the Barundi drums. Simon & Garfunkel's "El Condor Pasa" used a Peruvian band in 1970. There is even a short reggae- style break in The Beatles "I Call Your Name" from 1964. Miles Davis' "Bitches Brew" in 1969 fused jazz and African influences..in the world of jazz, using African and Latin influences was old news; Dizzy Gillespie, Tito Puente,,,fingers getting tired....>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:27:18 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100 Update - NJC > they are all dead;kind of like your Amazon statistics. Wow ... who is Mark and why haven't I received a nasty email yet? I've been posting Amazon updates, too. Feeling left out, Lori ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:28:23 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: My Evening With Annie - NJC ANNIE LENNOX - The Schubert Theater - April 1, 2003 Someone said that somewhere in the press, Annie Lennox had extended an invitation for fans to spend an evening with her and let her choose the music and the mood. In other words - trust her. I strongly suggest calling Annie for any event planning in your future .. and trust her. This may have been in over 100 concerts one of the top 5 of mine all-time. She began the evening promptly and methodically at the stroke of 8:00. She strutted onto the stage; happy, professional and prepared. All in black, what appeared to be a one piece whih she topped off with a boxy chocolate blouse femmed up with some lace and sparkle. But with a longish blazer worn over. On her head something of a beret, more of a knit cap tilted perfectly. There were some minor clothing changes as the show went on. She has confidence without cockiness she may be one of the most comfortable female performers I have ever seen. She is masculine and feminine at the same time. Is she the true definition of androgyny? Or has she just put thesex back into androgyny? Whatever she sizzles! She opened with "Money Can't Buy It" followed by 6 or 7 songs before finally speaking to us. SOme of those included hits such as; No More I Love Yous, Little Bird, Broken Glass and a new ballad as well. The crowd was 35 - 55, how nice. The venue was the Schubert Theater, mostly used for plays. It is intimate and close and has pretty good sound - though its not the Chicago Auditorium, where I did see Joni back in 1974. The crowd stood with her for over half the show dancing or whatever those two sistas were doing in the front row. Sigh, why dont they ever check themselves in a mirror - never mind. But it was fun so unpretencious a crowd smiling jovial, peaceful contenment. Annies movements are not BIG in the true sense of the word but hey are seen and are expressive, especially the hand waving and rising and fluttering. She sings - I believe because she must - because she feels it. Feeling the togetherness and wavelength of the crowd, I also felt Annie has this unique talent. To make you feel like she was with you singing to you in and through this crowd of people. That is why I say I was alone with Annie Lennox in a room full of people. Annie's band was tight and important but not over powering, bringing the necessary sounds of the old tunes but yet letting Annie be heard. Lights simple yet expressive, set and kept the mood. Nothing elaborate, or nothing expected to heighten or fill in for the performer. Also with her was an incredible back-up trio. It always make me wonder why some people with talent are singing back-up. The women, Annie and her singers, each taking turns did a rousing and fun rendition of "Sisters are Doing It For Themselves." Annie sharing the stage unselfishly and enjoying herself in the mix. Also, she later did on piano what amounted to an acooustic like version of "Sweet Dreams," which was lovely and well received. She banged them out and they were gut wrenchingly done and heartfelt and she was in great voice not a crack or break the whole evening. Later in the show she covered Neil Young's "Don't Let It Bring Yo Down," as she did on her Medusa album. Oh just stringing them together like beads now, "COLD, Who's That Girl and several others - suprised I remembered this many. She wound up, with encore doing about 20 -22 songs. The encore was rockin' Beginning with "Would I Lie To YOu" and then what may have been the best song and production of the night - "Missionary Man." And closing with "I Need A MAn" - still not getting that concept - LOL! The crowd was in a controlled frenzy as she returned of course to do "Why." And I ask now - why weren't you all there? As a performer, this may seem weird but her strut and emotion ... and OH I dont know - something for me anyway reminds me of Judy Garland. The pure sacrifice of the performance. For me she is the Judy of the rock world, or Judy of the 90's and the new millennium. I have no real explanation it just keeps popping into my head. And I would think thats a very good thing. She is theatrical and real and feels and loves the stage - only this gal has got her shit together. Annie Lennox I have seen her and I wouldn't have missed it for the world! Because Sweet Dreams are made of this. Peace, Susan Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:45:17 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Aussie Members No but put a shrimp on the Barbie for us mate, just joking, welcome to the list. Ted - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Don Whiteman Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 2:35 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: Aussie Members Hi all, I am an aussie member, just new to this but I am looking for any other aussie members. are tape trees (video) out there can be used on aussie TV (PAL D) as we use a different format to USA (NTSC). we seem to be out inthe cold down here. Don ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 00:47:01 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: now: who's dissing norah? -- njc Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >Colin writes: > ><< she is brown and beauftul and not blue and teeny >> > >Racist and sizist. > oh I don't know.i merely mad a staement. didn't qualify either bron or blue.... and as for siziest-well you can talk..... > ><< Strange how even despite those big ears, you can't hear well. >> > >Bashing the handicapped. > which is the hanidcap? The big ears? Are you hard of hearing? Or just too butch as suzzi implies?(not that you can believe her anyway) > ><< we must aceept our lot in life or become bitter old smurphs >> > >Judgmental and ageist with a typo. > surprised you could pick out the typo-age lessens one's perceptive abilty, so i am told.....(at least in smurphs) > >And Guzzi writes: > > >I am what I am, dear, > said just like a true Smurphette > and I appreciate the protection. > what colour are they? blue? > > >I agree, if the direction you're headed in is sleep! > well, I hate to break it to you, but we are all headed there.... > >XO and happy weekend, everyone! > I suppose if you could foregt for the weekend that you are small and blue you could be happy. what substance helps you do that? xoxoxo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 18:54:57 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Aussie Members In a message dated 4/4/2003 5:35:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, mwtscope@optusnet.com.au writes: > we seem to be out inthe cold down here. > Welcome Don...yes we have quite a few Aussies, all of whom are AWESOME, they're just a bit quiet. The company that makes my video copies for me CAN make PAL copies that play down under, but he charges me $25 US for the service. If there are lots of Aussies interested in the PBS video, I could maybe negotiate a better deal with them. Regardless, I'm happy to make you PAL copies for $25 + shipping + the cost of the blank. Again, welcome...let's see if we can lure some of your mates out from lurking. Bob NP (Now Playing): Ani Difranco, "Don't Nobody Know" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:00:42 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: house insurance njc --- colin wrote: > > > You know, i still recall all our nuke war > training-get under a table or > take a door of it's hinges and put that on top and a > mattress too.... > > Now, i'd rather know where it will be set off so ic > an make sure I am > under it and be gone in the first millisecond. Both > sides Now? More a > case of All Sides Now My Dad used to say he'd just walk out in the front yard to greet it if it came. Scared the crap out of me as a child, of course, but now I totally get it. Then there's the other one - bend over, put your head between your legs and kiss your ass good-bye! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:02:17 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Amazon update - Midnight EST njc --- colin wrote: > Susan Guzzi wrote: > > >Awww Catherine Thank you, but my birthday is still > a ways off. > > > not only that but Suzzi has got to the point now > that she ignores her > birthdays, doesn't want to be reminded of it at all. > Can't think what > bothers the old bat about birthdays..... Could it be that one-step-closer-to-the-grave feeling? Bwa-ha-ha! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:12:04 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Woman of Heart And Mind - SJC We used to call it world beat. The first I heard of it was Johnny Nash, Bob Marley, The English Beat, The Specials. Also The Who in their early days would songs they referred to as "blue beat." In the early sixties Caribbean people brought their music and culture to England. I believe there was an album that came out of South Africa Soweto that Simon picked up on and made more popular. On a related note I saw some really cool guitars the other day called afri- cans. They are made out of oil cans. I guess people in South Africa not having 20 billion dollars to buy a fender or a Gibson started fashioning home made guitars from oil cans. A company has started to make them with aluminum necks and solid running gear, pretty darn cool, for about 400 bucks. I think if Joni was any kind of a kid or a teen, she most likely was exposed to world beat by the late great Ritchie Valens. I saw Herbie Mann and the Jazzil Brass, it was cooking! Like I said I'm a rocker so please forgive I had never even heard of homeboy before the show, I was very pleasantly surprised. No mosh pits at these jazz shows??? Does anyone else really like Pancho Sanchez? I do! I tried to see him in LA and the fire marshall shut the club down, cause Pancho was caliente. I hear he hangs out in Whittier dive bars so if you are on a bender in the south LA metro area keep your eyes peeled. Don't worry Lama all the great ones are misunderstood! Ted - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of jlamadoo@fuse.net Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:21 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Woman of Heart And Mind Yeah, there's been a lot of cross-polination. Since day One. I was first aware of the phrase "world music" when reviews of Paul Simon's "Graceland" appeared. While I like the album, he wasn't the first person to be influenced by other cultures. On the JMDL, I said something like "Joni was doing world music before the phrase was invented." I guess all of us who "get it" know that. Karen expressed it nearly the same way in her bio. Lama RR wrote: >>The 'world music pioneer' tag doesn't really ring true. Josephine Baker in the '30's. Carmen Miranda in the 40's. Stan Getz and Herbie Mann brought Brazilian music to the mainstream in the early 60's. Harry Belafonte's "Banana Boat Song", Trini Lopez' "Lemon Tree". Even Sinatra did two LP's with Jobim. Santana crossed latin music with rock in 1969, while Joni was 5 full albums away from using the Barundi drums. Simon & Garfunkel's "El Condor Pasa" used a Peruvian band in 1970. There is even a short reggae- style break in The Beatles "I Call Your Name" from 1964. Miles Davis' "Bitches Brew" in 1969 fused jazz and African influences..in the world of jazz, using African and Latin influences was old news; Dizzy Gillespie, Tito Puente,,,fingers getting tired....>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:15:11 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Amazon Top 100 Update - NJC Cause your on my list... Fye. I get A-L. Sheesh ... Get A Grip. Ted - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Lori Fye Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:27 PM To: Susan Guzzi; KJHSF@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Cc: Mark129@cs.com Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100 Update - NJC > they are all dead;kind of like your Amazon statistics. Wow ... who is Mark and why haven't I received a nasty email yet? I've been posting Amazon updates, too. Feeling left out, Lori ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:17:56 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Joni and Mingus i thought the t.s. eliot idea was directly from mingus, and not from a third party. think i heard that before, and i think that's what sue mingus said as well. i think sue quoted joni's response as: 'don't think i want to mess with t.s. eliot's words' patrick np - luscious jackson - natural ingredients >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >SCJoniGuy@aol.com >Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 12:25 PM >To: jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Joni and Mingus > > >In a message dated 4/4/2003 10:15:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, >jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com writes: > >> Does anyone else remember this better than I do? The >> two scenarios are somewhat different to me and I'm >> wondering what actually happened. >> > >Jenny, my sense of what happened is that Mingus originally wanted Joni to >adapt this ts eliot stuff to music, and she wasn't up for that, so instead >they decided to take his last melodies and have her lay down some >lyrics to >them. > >Does that make it clearer or muddier? I tried to go to the corresponding >"bio" section on JM.com but the link wasn't working. My guess is that the >website is getting a TON more traffic since Weds. > >Bob > >NP: Foo Fighters, "Tired Of You" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 04:20:33 -0500 From: "marilyn huggins" Subject: Joni t-shirts Does anyone know on the internet where I can buy a Joni t--shirt in 2xxl? Thanks Marilyn still from MA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 04:25:13 -0500 From: "marilyn huggins" Subject: Re: Thursday Night at Jonifest Ashara is the jonifest going to the Catskills again this year? Marilyn - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:05 AM Subject: Thursday Night at Jonifest > Hi Jonifest 2003 attendees and potential attendees! > > If you are planning on attending the Thursday Night festivities, please > indicate that on your online form so I can start to get an idea of numbers. > Thursday night is a wonderful opportunity for people to settle in to Full > Moon, epecially those coming from a distance. It's a chance to get to know > people and play music in a little bit more intimate setting as well. Please > remember to check off what extra meals you will partaking in so I can get the > money sorted out. > > A reminder to register/send a deposit in soon if you want to be guaranteed a > bed! > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 04:30:42 -0500 From: "marilyn huggins" Subject: Re: Me and My Mojo What is mojo anyway? Marilyn - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:55 AM Subject: Re: Me and My Mojo > Would any kind and brilliant soul please post the pictures in the 1998 > article of MOJO magazine. I know we can get the text and 1 picture in the > library on JMDL but I want to see all the photos! I mean "Joni lounging at > home..." I live for! Thanks > Love > JennyMac ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:36:43 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Me and My Mojo Mojo, baby... a mojo is a little charm you get from the witch doctor or gypsy queen, or neighborhood voodooist that charms the opposite sex. I got my mojo working but it just won't work on you. Ted - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of marilyn huggins Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:31 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Me and My Mojo What is mojo anyway? Marilyn - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:55 AM Subject: Re: Me and My Mojo > Would any kind and brilliant soul please post the pictures in the 1998 > article of MOJO magazine. I know we can get the text and 1 picture in the > library on JMDL but I want to see all the photos! I mean "Joni lounging at > home..." I live for! Thanks > Love > JennyMac ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:38:07 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A case of you --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Wanna play? > > Okay . . . I want you to answer this question FAST . > . . the first thing > that pops into your head. . . ready? > > -------------> When you hear "A Case of YOU," what > kind of "case" > > comes to your mind? > > > > What do YOU visualize? > > Answer quickly. 1. Beer (I'm Canadian) 2. illness (it could've been a dose of you - LOL!) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:54:08 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: I missed the PBS special! --- GaryLewis wrote: > Unfortunately I was not able to watch the special on > Tues. night, so I set up > the VCR to tape it. But somehow all I got was snow > and static. Does anyone > know if it will be aired in the future. Thanks Gary Gary, check the pbs website - most local pbs affiliates are airing it a few more times. We get WNED (Buffalo) here and they're running it again April 9 (or 8 or 10 - I) at 4 a.m. or an equally ungodly hour. For info on the show, check: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/mitchell_j.html To find your local listings, go to this url and enter your zip code or state: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/current_season/upcoming.html If your VCR can be set for antenna or cable, make sure you've picked the right one - and the channel that goes with it. I've been fooled a few times that way myself. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 18:59:48 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: A case of you beer marianne. but more like a keg. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:03:49 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Down to You Kenny B wrote: > Any suggestions appreciated; anyone want to tell me how much you love > that tune also? Love to Kenny. Yes, an incomparable tune that says what most of us must know deep inside but it is so good to hear it and have those intuitive feelings reinforced. More testament to the genius of Joni. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 20:03:16 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Stryngs news - the album is available (in the UK...) AND A QUESTION --- Martin Giles wrote: > Chris asked me to say 'hi', so here I am. I've been > subscribed to the digest > in total lurk mode for years now, but I guess it's > time to momentarily > delurk, when our album is finally available. And I > have a question to the > guitarists on the list.. I don't know anything about guitars. Really. I just bought a Yamaha steel-string (my other is a classical; I've had it 20 yrs but can't remember its name - it's Japanese, but with a Spanish name, to make it sound more authentic, I s'pose.) I bought this because I was playing with it while waiting for my son at his guitar lesson and I liked the way it sounded. I hadn't done any research on it, so that makes me a bad consumer and impulse buyer. So what. I paid about $900 CDN before taxes, on sale (supposedly it was $1500 before the sale, yeah, right, whatever, but the guy I bought it from threw in a few things free and I think he forgot to charge me for something but I didn't notice right away). Buy the one that's named after you. It's fate. It was meant to be. And so on. Whenever I find one named Catherine, I suppose I'll buy it too. (I really just wanted to say - nice to hear from you and I'm really looking forward to Stryngs' CDs being available here in Northamerica. I'm impressed with the samples I've heard.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #216 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)