From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #214 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, April 4 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 214 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re: American Masters [frasere@intergate.ca] Re: Heart and Mind and Mis-heard Lyrics ["Larry D." ] Re: Amazon update/2:15 est ["Christopher Treacy" ] Joni's most important era? ["Lori Fye" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #114 [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Amazon update/2:15 est ["Lori Fye" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #114 [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Amazon update - Midnight EST ["Lori Fye" ] Re: american masters interview ["gene mock" ] Amazon Top 100 Update [KJHSF@aol.com] RE: sad ethel news -- njc - michael jeter dies ["patrick leader" ] RE: Right again!! Hope and Denial - joni content, we hope ["patrick leade] Joni TV [Thomas Ross ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #213 - 14 titles in the top 100 [BRYAN8847@aol.co] re: American Masters [] JMDL BLUE BOOK QUIZ [Cactustree78@aol.com] re: American Masters [] Today in History: April 4 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: April 4 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:15:51 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: re: American Masters Intersting point, Lori. I loved whoever said, I think Elliot Roberts, that before Song to a Seagull, her first album, she ALREADY had a catalogue of up to 25 songs, and how most artists would kill to be so lucky throughout their entire career! Best, Stephen in Vancouver Quoting Lori Fye : > However, it's useful to remember that Joni was writing a LOT during the > early days -- well, really all the time -- and some songs seem to have > been recorded onto an album when the time or "theme" was right. > According to the program footage from WOHAM (god I love these > acronyms), Joni performed many songs several years before they appeared > on vinyl. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:18:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Larry D." Subject: Re: Heart and Mind and Mis-heard Lyrics I'm probably the last one in on this one (I taped the show on Wednesday night because it was past my bedtime and watched it this evening with dinner), but my gosh, Heart and Mind really is good, isn't it? Anticipation being what it is, I was afraid I might end up disappointed, but I certainly wasn't. Among many other things, watching it made me remember something I hadn't thought of in years: the first time I heard "Big Yellow Taxi" was on television, on American Bandstand. Dick Clark announced that this new song by Joni Mitchell was number one in Hawaii, and played BYT. I was just a kid at the time, and for some reason I decided this Joni Mitchell person must be a Hawaiian girl, and managed to mishear "They paved paradise, put up a parking lot", as "A great pair of eyes, ooh, what a Lochinvar". Going to pbs.org now. Peace y'all. Larry D www.larry-d.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 23:22:28 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #114 To those who thought the emphasis was on the earlier works; I think that's true. Probably because many folks (including me) believe that to be her most important and, certainly my favorite era. I was, never-the-less, surprised at the omission of anything from HOSL as many others were; "The Jungle Line" was certainly groundbreaking. And I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one who cried while watching this presentation; a very moving experience for many reasons: much of my own life flashed before my eyes while following Joni's throughout the show. She and her music have been a major part of most of my life; (married in '65, we had our kids in '66 & '69 and, over the years, Joni's music has evolved along with our 37-year marriage.) I was glad they included the updated information about Joni's daughter. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:26:37 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Amazon update/2:15 est Ken! Thanks so much for these updates, you're the man! It seems clear to me that the works that were heavily featured in the piece, are the ones reaping the most benefit, by way of sales. With the exception of "Hits" where I think it is clear some are opting for a compilation to satiate their new found hunger for Joni. They'll be back for seconds! But probably not for DED - I can't stop myself! lol Peace, Susan - --- KJHSF@aol.com wrote: > Blue@13 > Hits@19 > Court and Spark@22 > Hejira@25 > Ladies of the Canyon@27 > Mingus@33 > Song to a Seagull@36 > Clouds@46 > Don Juan@63 > Hissing@65 > For the Roses@82 > Travelogue@89 > > Pretty Impressive! > Ken Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 23:30:44 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Re: Amazon update/2:15 est Blue is now #10, Hits is #12, C&S is 14. Damn. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Guzzi" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 11:26 PM Subject: Re: Amazon update/2:15 est > Ken! > > Thanks so much for these updates, you're the man! It seems clear to me that the works that were > heavily featured in the piece, are the ones reaping the most benefit, by way of sales. With the > exception of "Hits" where I think it is clear some are opting for a compilation to satiate their > new found hunger for Joni. They'll be back for seconds! > But probably not for DED - I can't stop myself! lol > > > Peace, > Susan > > --- KJHSF@aol.com wrote: > > Blue@13 > > Hits@19 > > Court and Spark@22 > > Hejira@25 > > Ladies of the Canyon@27 > > Mingus@33 > > Song to a Seagull@36 > > Clouds@46 > > Don Juan@63 > > Hissing@65 > > For the Roses@82 > > Travelogue@89 > > > > Pretty Impressive! > > Ken > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:36:02 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Joni's most important era? Kenny B wrote: > To those who thought the emphasis was on the earlier works; I think > that's true. Probably because many folks (including me) believe that > to be her most important and, certainly my favorite era. Okay, here we go! I've been waiting for this!!! "Most important era"? Perhaps, but imnsho (that would be, "in my not- so-humble opinion"), that's because it's the period when Joni "made it" professionally. Of course it's also the period that labeled her a "folk singer." A label Joni despises. As for favorite era, I'll cast my vote for the "trilogy" period of HOSL, Hejira, and DJRD. Lyrically and musically, it can't be beat. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 23:38:34 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #114 In a message dated 4/3/03 3:53:31 PM, les@jmdl.com writes: << How wonderful! Still, I have this feeling that I don't want to share her with this potential new audience... What is that all about? If Joni's popularity reached epic proportions (in sheer numbers) I'd feel like this special thing that we share in the JMDL community would somehow be swallowed up. It's strange to find yourself wanting for Joni to get the recognition she deserves, while selfishly wanting it to remain utterly private. Anyone else feel this way? >> I feel that way about artists I love & admire that never had the huge following...Todd Rundgren, Michael Penn, Rufus Wainwright, etc. But Joni has an IMMENSE following already. Granted, she's not a household name like Madonna or Michael Jackson (Thank God!) but she's enormously popular with people who have a PASSION for music, not theatrics. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:40:43 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Amazon update/2:15 est > But probably not for DED - I can't stop myself! "I have to come and see you maybe once or twice a year" Or ... if you're going to be that way about DED ... NOT!!! ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 23:44:07 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #114 In a message dated 4/3/03 3:53:31 PM, les@jmdl.com writes: << PS I would have paid 50 bucks just to watch the 3minute segment of her playing Blue live. I died and went to heaven. :-) >> That was probably the part of the entire 90 minutes that sticks in my head also.... I agree with you. Simply unbelieveable! Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:55:17 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Amazon update - Midnight EST > Blue is now #10, Hits is #12, C&S is 14. Damn. 11. Blue 17. Court and Spark 21. Hejira 22. Hits 23. Song to a Seagull 24. Ladies of the Canyon 28. Clouds 29. Mingus 44. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter 68. The Hissing of Summer Lawns 80. Turbulent Indigo 88. Travelogue [Enhanced] This is FECKING AMAZING!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:57:31 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: american masters interview thanks! for the link. it should be required reading for all joniphilles. there will be a test. later gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Olson" To: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:43 PM Subject: american masters interview > The following link is an interview with director Susan Lacy. I gained some > insight reading it. > > http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/mitchell_j_interview.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:08:49 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Amazon Top 100 Update 4/3/03 11:50pm est / 4/3/03 2:15pm est blue 10/ 13 court and spark 14/ 22 hits 17/ 19 hejira 18/ 25 ladies of the canyon 22/ 27 song to a seagull 23/ 36 mingus 24/ 33 clouds 27/ 46 don juan 35/ 63 for the roses 42/ 82 hissing 52/ 65 turbulent indigo 56/ * travelogue 62/ 89 both sides now 97/ * I wonder what these translates into as far as actual units sold. I'm really thrilled for Joni! I also wonder what it would be like to discover some of her more difficut works after seeing the PBS show. For example, I didn't like or understand her idiosynchratic musical style when I first tried her out. But had I seen the documentary first, I think I would have had the educated ears to "get" it much sooner. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:09:29 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: sad ethel news -- njc - michael jeter dies i was lucky enough to see michael jeter's star turn on broadway in the musical 'grand hotel'. quite unforgetable. i knew he was ill, but still, each time someone dies that young... it hurts. patrick np - ariadne auf naxos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:16:57 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Amazon update - Midnight EST Shock and Awe! And still ............no sign of ..."The Dog" ... ok wheres my dyke tape? - oh yea over there with the plastic - LOL! Peace, Susan NP: Joni Whatsherface/Blue/All I Want - --- Lori Fye wrote: > > Blue is now #10, Hits is #12, C&S is 14. Damn. > > 11. Blue > 17. Court and Spark > 21. Hejira > 22. Hits > 23. Song to a Seagull > 24. Ladies of the Canyon > 28. Clouds > 29. Mingus > 44. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > 68. The Hissing of Summer Lawns > 80. Turbulent Indigo > 88. Travelogue [Enhanced] > > This is FECKING AMAZING!!! Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:19:33 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Right again!! Hope and Denial - joni content, we hope kakki wrote: She's still scheduled at the Hollywood Bowl >in August to sing with Wayne Shorter and Herbie Hancock herbie hancock's big project right now is an orchestral tour based on the album 'gershwin's world'. i know, because one of our clients is the virginia arts festival and the hancock project has its premiere as part of the festival, with the virginia symphony, on may 3 in norfolk. the project looks an awful lot like joni's bsn tour to me, complete with guest stars. (his publicist says he's been dreaming of doing a big orchestra project for years, but i'm sure joni's experience kicked him into gear) i sure hope it's coming to new york (i won't be in norfolk until a week after the premiere.) so i'll bet the hollywood bowl perf is part of the tour. patrick np - ariadne auf naxos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:36:22 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Joni TV quite striking. The Laurel Canyon had indeed a powerful flavor bordering once in a while on the precious . . .but that's California. In '73 or so I was at Joel Bernstein's house there checking out his Joni collection . . . at one point she's working on a song and laughs at herself: "I can't compose it like that!" that is, with the tape rolling it felt too cerebral. Also soon after she mocks a phrase she did: "It sounds like Van Morrison!" Crosby astute and either checked or had edited out some of his more caustic impressions of JM esp regarding Graham, his buddy that she jilted. Both of those guys retain an awestruck respect for her. Well I think you can grow old gracefully in (popular) music: how about Steely dan? Tom Ross Mijazi Music (518) 372-2611 http://www.tom.rossweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 01:11:58 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #213 - 14 titles in the top 100 ><<>Blue is now #17. Whoa! >> At one point Thursday there were 14 (yes 14) Joni titles in the amazon.com top 100, including 5 in the top 25. A friend of mine works in the editorial department there and I've asked him to see if that's some kind of record. I realize amazon accounts for only a portion of cd sales, but it's not an insignificant portion. Anyway, enough about that, but I get a kind of vicarious satisfaction from it. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:38:58 -0600 From: Subject: re: American Masters Bruce Kimerer wrote: "Her interviews: She was so relaxed, grounded, warm-spirited, candid, real - - -- with no sense of the bitterness that's been inferred from her other recent interviews. Makes me wonder how words on the page divorced from the voice and expression of the speaker can communicate a meaning not truly present." Bruce, I've thought for a while that this was true, especially with regard to Joni. As one who has had the privilege of meeting her (YIKES! It still confounds me sometimes that that actually happened), I found her way of communicating in person to be thoroughly and completely captivating. Her conversation includes so much to enrich it that is utterly lost on the printed page: a sparkle in the eye, a sly smile, a little twist of the mouth, the raising of an eyebrow, and other similar mannerisms that Joni may have to an even greater degree than the rest of us do. Some of that came through to good effect in the contemporary interview used in the program. As many here have said, Joni is a storyteller, a raconteur. I think you almost have to hear her TELL the story to get its full meaning and effect. In any event, I wondered, after meeting her, just how much of the misunderstandings with the press over the years have been due to the fact that, for one who has such an advanced appreciation for the nuances of words, Joni seems remarkably tone-deaf to just how her words will appear on the cold page, devoid of their context. But if I criticize, I do so out of appreciation, and much, much respect. Mary. P.S. Wasn't it amazing to see the great tenderness Graham Nash and Larry Klein still obviously have for Joni? Perhaps it's not surprising that they feel it, but that they are both so open about it, so many years later (especially in Nash's case). My favorite part of the whole show, though, was probably Klein's comment that, with the advent of Kilauren and her grandchildren into her life, Joni was now experiencing "a master class in love." As Sue Mac might say, WAAAAAHHHH!!! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 01:54:13 -0500 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: JMDL BLUE BOOK QUIZ Question 1,If Joni was a rock star groupie,would she go after Bon Jovi,BRUCE,Prince,Gordon Lightfoot in his healthier days or your choice. *****I GUESS SHE WOULD GO WITH PRINCE BECAUSE HE IS THE MOST MUSICALLY TALENTED OF THE BUNCH******* Question 2 Now that the special is over and there is no sense of future Joni projects other than an occasional gig like August at the Hollywood Bowl backing Herbie Hancock and Wayne Shorter,what do you do with your life? a-get one,b-who needs a life when you can just muse about Joni, c-Joni's birthday present selection next November d-I'm going to Jonifest B. WHO NEEDS A LIFE.... ANSWER....E. I WOULD BE GOIN TO JONIFEST IF I COULD Question 3 If Joni agreed to come over and chat,would you ask about her a-lovers,b-early days on the road alone,c-the ache in not knowing her daughter all those years,d-the heck with chitchat,baby,let's dance. I WOULD ASK HER ABOUT MAKING...HISSING...HEJIRA....AND DON JUAN.....THEN ID ASK HER TO DANCE ALL NIGHT LONG!! Question 4 If Joni was to paint her fantasy would it be a-mother and daughter,b-Free Woman in Paris,c-a blank canvas because she is depressed d-your choice. JONI S FANTASIES SEEM TO HAVE COME TRUE SO I GUESS SHED PAINT HER REALITY..A NICE FAMILY PORTRAIT(MAYBE BECAUSE IVE STILL GOT PBS SPECIAL ON MY MIND) *****KEVIN***** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:58:36 -0600 From: Subject: re: American Masters Lori wrote, responding to Bruce: "I do the same thing. It DOES seems that Blue should have come after FTR. Perhaps it's because, to me, the vocal and musical style of FTR seems to fit nicely between LOTC and Blue. In some ways, Blue seems to be more "mature" than FTR [. . .]" Geez, it's amazing that two (or three) diehard fans can disagree so completely! I don't see this at all. I regard "Blue" as the expansion and culmination of the Clouds/LOTC era, and FTR, by contrast, as essentially "Court & Spark I." To me, FTR has much more in common with respect to vocals, lyrics and overall vision to C & S than with anything that went before it. FTR looks ahead to where Joni would eventually go with C & S and HOSL. I guess I see Joni's career as a series of related projects: 1) STAS (the superb introduction that stands alone); 2) Clouds, LOTC, and Blue; 3) FTR, C & S, and HOSL; 4) Hejira, DJRD, and Mingus; 5) WTRF, DED, and CMIARS; 6) NRH, TI, and TT, and finally, 7) BSN and Travelogue. I'm only considering the original studio albums here, not the live albums, or compilations of arrangements that first appeared elsewhere. But this "order of things" in Joni's work is very, very strong to me. Mary. P.S. Lori, we agree on one thing tonight: these acronyms are a helluva lot of fun! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 02:28:56 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: April 4 1983: Joni performed at the NEC Arena in Birmingham, UK 1995: Reprise released "Sex Kills" as a single. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 02:28:56 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 4 On April 4 the following items were published: 1969: "Into the Pain of the Heart" - Time (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=933 1988: "Portrait of an Artist in her Prime" - MacLean's (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=177 2000: "Brilliant Careers" - Salon.com (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=485 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #214 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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