From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #213 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 3 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 213 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: american masters [Jerry Notaro ] PBS - No Hissing [SMC1254@aol.com] PBS show ["janine sherman" ] Re: american masters [Susan McNamara ] Re: Amazon Top 100 ["mack watson-bush" ] Ten Questions after American Masters [Mark129@cs.com] Re: american masters [Susan McNamara ] Re: woman of heart and mind [Rusty10113@aol.com] american masters interview [Dan Olson ] p2p file-sharing [Les Irvin ] WOHM [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: american masters [Deb Messling ] Re: Amazon update/2:15 est ["Stephen Toogood" ] no mention of James Taylor ["Isaac Chase" ] Re: Amazon Top 100 ["Lori Fye" ] Both Sides....NOT! [SoulQuest7@aol.com] Re: Amazon Top 100 [Les Irvin ] NJC - Melissa Manchester ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Amazon Top 100 ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Both Sides....NOT! ["Lori Fye" ] Re: woman of heart and mind [Catherine McKay ] Joni on Video! 100% JC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: PBS show ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Woman Of Heart & Mind [Catherine McKay ] Re: Amazon Top 100 [Catherine McKay ] RE: Amazon Top 100 ["theodore" ] RE: NJC - Melissa Manchester ["theodore" ] Re: NJC - Melissa Manchester ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Amazon Top 100 ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: NJC - Melissa Manchester ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Both Sides....NOT! [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni on Video! 100% JC [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC - Melissa Manchester ["Lori Fye" ] RE: Amazon Top 100 njc i guess [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC - Melissa Manchester ["Lori Fye" ] Re: NJC - Melissa Manchester ["mack watson-bush" ] RE: Joni on Video! 100% JC ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Both Sides....NOT! [Catherine McKay ] RE: Amazon Top 100 njc i guess ["theodore" ] RE: Joni on Video! 100% now NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC - Melissa Manchester ["Lori Fye" ] RE: woman of heart and mind ["Lori Fye" ] RE: NJC - Melissa Manchester ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Purchase WOHAM video [Randy Remote ] RE: woman of heart and mind [magsnbrei ] RE: woman of heart and mind ["theodore" ] RE: woman of heart and mind ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Purchase WOHAM video [Catherine McKay ] woman of heart and mind ["gene mock" ] re: American Masters [Bruce Kimerer ] Re: Purchase WOHAM video ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Fw: CD sales shoot up [Susan Guzzi ] re: American Masters ["Lori Fye" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 15:14:30 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: american masters Just ordered my DVD. Very quick and easy to do. Thanks, Bob. Jerry SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 4/3/2003 1:58:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: > > > >>Does anyone have the phone number to order the DVD? >> >> > >To purchase the video "Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart and Mind", please call 1-800-336-1917. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:34:43 EST From: SMC1254@aol.com Subject: PBS - No Hissing Did I miss something or was "Hissing of Summer Lawns" completely left out of the program - otherwise I really loved it and was in awe of some of the early photographs and footage...need to watch it again. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:51:43 -0500 From: "janine sherman" Subject: PBS show Greetings all, I am not sure I have yet recovered. I was all set to tape it and it was NOT showing on our Direct TV satellite PBS channel. I arrived home only 15 minutes prior to the show, so I had no thought out back up plan. I was at least able to gain fuzzy reception on our antenna, pitfall of living on the battlefield. I sobbed throughout the WHOLE thing. Just ask Rick and Jimmy, I sob (suffer) so eloquently..... It brought back vivid memories and feelings from the Toronto Hommage with us sitting behind her, Klein, and Kilauren. I have already called to order the DVD. I wanted more but I could not have remained breathless much longer...The sheer brilliance in her little pinkie astounds and mystifies me and keeps me beggin for more. I thought it was true to her evolution as an artist . I loved her phrasing "Crop Rotation" describing her music and art. Lori, I WAS able to thank her personally and she nodded her gratitude to me that night when she descended the stage. It reduced me to smithereens. Peace, Janine in Gettysburg NP: "Thanks for your presence/presents" MOA. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:12:20 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: american masters The section about Kilauren was really great. What a story. I get chills every time I think about it. I noticed right away, too, that Kilauren's voice was just like Joni's. Can you imagine not knowing someone for so many years and then meeting them and knowing you were a part of each other the whole time? The fact that this one relationship passes like a ghost through all of joni's songs is so amazing. I was totally floored by the knowledge that the phrase "moon at the window" also ties back to the adoption. Amazing. It's a perfect story that no one could have ever made up. sue At 10:08 AM -0800 4/3/03, magsnbrei wrote: > > > Susan McNamara wrote: > > >Also, in my own humble opinion, I don't buy the idea that Joni's >done. Her crop rotations will continue as long as she has breath. > >et moi: > >I agree Sue...especially since Joni talked about taking a break from >writing and moving into painting over the course of her career... >and from this painting place, she may return to create songs. >Everyone needs a break, n'est-ce pas? Time will tell. > >How wonderful to see 'happy grammy' Joni playing with her grandbabies. > >Mags. > > > >You open my heart, you do. >Yes you do. >- JM > > > >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! >Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:33:57 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100 Jimmy wrote: Long ago > I felt sort of this way about Bette Midler, Melissa Manchester, Now, now, let's stay away from Missy. The incomparable Melissa Manchester. Apples and oranges and as for Bette Midler, I would put forth that she has achieved superstar status of her own. Yes, she is no Joni Mitchell but then again, Joni Mitchell ain't no Bette Midler nor Melissa Manchester, the latter of which is my alltime favorite and unsurpassed she will stay. mack > They're definitely not in the same category as Joni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:40:36 EST From: Mark129@cs.com Subject: Ten Questions after American Masters Hello, If you haven't gone to PBS.org and find the American Masters page to send thanks to Susan Lacy for the broadcast or even American Century for sponsoring the series(they won't send a broker to bother you,I promise),then you aren't the fan I think you are.Minor points to ponder. Why no mention of the Rolling Thunder Tour with Bob Dylan,no mention of Joni's Vietnam protesting,barely a mention of the help Larry Klein gave her but now it's blue book time. Question 1,If Joni was a rock star groupie,would she go after Bon Jovi,BRUCE,Prince,Gordon Lightfoot in his healthier days or your choice. Question 2 Now that the special is over and there is no sense of future Joni projects other than an occasional gig like August at the Hollywood Bowl backing Herbie Hancock and Wayne Shorter,what do you do with your life? a-get one,b-who needs a life when you can just muse about Joni, c-Joni's birthday present selection next November d-I'm going to Jonifest Question 3 If Joni agreed to come over and chat,would you ask about her a-lovers,b-early days on the road alone,c-the ache in not knowing her daughter all those years,d-the heck with chitchat,baby,let's dance. Question 4 If Joni was to paint her fantasy would it be a-mother and daughter,b-Free Woman in Paris,c-a blank canvas because she is depressed d-your choice. We're out of time so you finish up with Nrs. 5-10 and the winner gets an all expense paid tour of Bleeker St. in Greenwich Village where Joni once walked or ticket stubs from Shadows and Light Tour 1980. later,mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 17:09:07 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: american masters Hi Bob: I know, I know! Why do I have to work for a living? I am trying to resurrect the Wanderer, which has been in limbo for a while, so if anyone wants to talk alternate tunings go to the jmdl guitar website to join. www.jmdl.com/guitar/ Does anyone know who the author was who heard Joni sing I Had A King in the village? She was very interesting. Sue >In a message dated 4/3/2003 1:08:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, >magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > >> How wonderful to see 'happy grammy' Joni playing with her >> grandbabies. > >Agreed - like that's the "Grammy" award she's wanted all along...I >wonder if her next project is going to be a kid's record? ;~) > >Bob > >PS: Sue Mac, great to hear from you!! I was beginning to think you >HAD died & gone to heaven! - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 17:16:57 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: woman of heart and mind A quick thought re the skating shots of Joni as "River" played, certainly one of my favorite parts of the whole show, how perfect, huh? I think it's unusual Joni would have random shots taken of her ice skating, to me they almost seemed to be promo shots or part of a video which of course was never done) for the song, but the imagery was so perfect...I iwould love to have one of those beautiful black and white images adorning a wall of my house, a perfect, iconic moment, in my humble opinion... Ideas keep coming because of all the great posts on this truly moving show...thanks everyone! Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 15:43:24 -0700 From: Dan Olson Subject: american masters interview The following link is an interview with director Susan Lacy. I gained some insight reading it. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/mitchell_j_interview.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 15:40:19 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: p2p file-sharing Joniphiles - There is a new peer-to-peer file-sharing system set up for Joni fans. It's a great way to trade music without having to make those darned trips to the post office. If you have a broadband connection, can install software, and know how to burn CDs on your own, this is for you! If this sounds interesting, email me privately, I'll provide you with all the details. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 14:43:58 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: WOHM Last night was an oasis in the middle of all the war, reality tv and assorted junk on tv. (I do get the good doobie award for sitting through The West Wing with Russ, while we taped WOHM. He kept assuring me it was indeed taping, but I was nervous...) So, I saw the last half hour, then rewound the tape and saw the first hour. A weird way to watch it, but oh well... It was wonderful. Almost too wonderful. I liked the candid footage the best, when she was being Joan, not Joni. I loved seeing the previously unseen photos, the concert clips and all. It was obvious Graham still has tremendous fondness for her. And Croz is still dazzled by her. I thought JT's clip was too short. My favorite part? The description Graham offered of watching her write. I also liked her telling about drawing deer and fire after seeing Bambi. THAT's what I wanted more of. The real process. The nuts and bolts of creation. The whole show offered a real insight into her overall inspiration. But I wanted more. Instead of skipping THOSL entirely, the film could have used the Hissing demos to offer more insight into Joni's unique musical vocabulary. (touched on briefly by Henry Lewey.) I would have liked to see more studio footage (it MUST be out there somewhere) in addition to the concert footage. Well, maybe next documentary... I just wonder. What's the one she didn't want shown like??? lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 17:44:55 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: american masters That was Malka Marom, described on her web site thusly: 1. author, folksinger, writer/producer, interviewer, actress, dancer. 2. Canadian/Israeli celebrity and pioneer in thought and art. 3. an enigma, impossible to define. 4. a bird of paradise, colorful, flamboyant, and sophisticated. She interviewed Joni in 1974. I assume the interview is available on the JMDL site, but it's also available here: http://www.malkamarom.com/interviews/mitchell.html At 05:09 PM 4/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone know who the author was who heard Joni sing I Had A King in >the village? She was very interesting. > >Sue - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 23:48:26 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Amazon update/2:15 est OMG! This is excellent. Good to see THOSL in the top 100 even though I'm told it was not mentioned (a crime) in the programme. I know Joni never made music for the money but maybe all this interest will get her out of retirement! Steve T NP: 'I Am The Blues' ~ Laura Nyro - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:18 PM Subject: Amazon update/2:15 est > Blue@13 > Hits@19 > Court and Spark@22 > Hejira@25 > Ladies of the Canyon@27 > Mingus@33 > Song to a Seagull@36 > Clouds@46 > Don Juan@63 > Hissing@65 > For the Roses@82 > Travelogue@89 > > Pretty Impressive! > Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 18:34:18 -0500 From: "Isaac Chase" Subject: no mention of James Taylor any ideas about why James Taylor was not mentioned last night in the PBS program?I was also suprised that Judy Collins was barely mentioned and that she didn't speak about Joni. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 15:46:24 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100 - -- Bob wrote: > I think that's when we'd have to ask Les to lock the gates to protect > us all from encroachment by the newbie barbarians! OH NO!!! Another round of endless queries about what "SIQUOMB" means!! (Just kidding) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:50:37 EST From: SoulQuest7@aol.com Subject: Both Sides....NOT! What up with this? After seeing PBS' amazing JONI documentary last night, I ran out to buy the amazing orchestral version of BOTH SIDES NOW that closes the film to such dramatic effect. Much to my surprise, it's not on the double CD!!! What's up with THAT?! -== Jai Ma-- Victory the Mother Goddess-== -- Nick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:56:14 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100 Bob wrote: > I think that's when we'd have to ask Les to lock the gates to protect > us all from encroachment by the newbie barbarians! I think it's great! So far, 15 email addresses I've never seen before have subbed to the list today. Keep on coming! Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:01:01 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: NJC - Melissa Manchester mack wrote: > Joni Mitchell ain't no Bette Midler nor Melissa Manchester, the > latter of which is my alltime favorite and unsurpassed she will stay. Oh how I LOVE MM!!! She was my favorite before I discovered Joni's music, and I adore her to this day. Most especially "Home to Myself," the album and the song. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:03:59 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100 > I think it's great! So far, 15 email addresses I've never seen > before have subbed to the list today. Keep on coming! I agree!! Welcome, all you new folks!! Tell us about yourselves and about how you discovered Joni's music! Lori near DC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:05:41 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Both Sides....NOT! > What up with this? After seeing PBS' amazing JONI documentary last > night, I ran out to buy the amazing orchestral version of BOTH SIDES > NOW that closes the film to such dramatic effect. Much to my > surprise, it's not on the double CD!!! What's up with THAT?! Nick, it sounds as if you purchased "Travelogue," when what you were looking for was the CD released just previous to it, called "Both Sides Now." Back to the store you go! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:07:56 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: woman of heart and mind If you could have only ONE video, which would it be? So much music, so little time... and shelf space! SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: As for available video, the JMDL does have Video trees always available which feature early performances of Joni on "The Way It Is" (CBC-TV), the classic Dick Cavett appearance, Isle of Wight, and many more. I have (and have made many copies of) a video titled "Joni On The BBC" which features her 1970 "Pink Dress" concert, and a section of her 1974 Victoria Theatre appearance in 1974 with The LA Express, as well as an Old Grey Whistle Test Extra from the DED era, which highlights her painting as well. I also have video of Joni on the Johnny Cash show, but the quality is so poor that I'm afraid another generation would be unwatchable. Note to self: get an upgrade of the Johnny Cash stuff. Catherine Toronto - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:08:33 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni on Video! 100% JC "Joni Mitchell: A Woman Of Heart and Mind" is available on NTSC VHS or DVD from WNET in New York. From the USA and Canada, you can call 1-800-336-1917. I ordered mine today. I don't know if the DVD is free of region coding. "Painting With Words and Music" is available on DVD and VHS (in the USA at least). Try www.amazon.com I don't know if it is free of region coding. "Shadows and Light" is available on DVD from a reputable guy in Hong Kong, via eBay auctions. This one is advertised as being free of region coding. It plays fine here in the US and includes stuff left off the 60 minute version sold on VHS here twenty years ago. Let's keep those "royalty pennies" rolling in! All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:09:53 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: PBS show Janine, I taped it on my PVR (personal video recorder, which is digital) -- at least I think so, as I watched it in the basement while the recorder was doing its thing upstairs. I wanted to experience it all by myself, in my cellar "cave," you see ... Anyway, assuming the recording is on the drive, I can transfer it to video tape and I'll be glad to send you a copy. I have your address. I'm wondering if I can make digital copies from the PVR, as well - anyone ever done it? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:11:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Woman Of Heart & Mind You mean we Canadians actually got *more* of something for a change? Well, glory be! Doug wrote:Just a minor disappointment with the PBS version: The CBC show contained an extra minute or two of Circle Game video in which during the chorus Joni sways in a sort of circular motion. Very beautiful, one of my favorite moments in the film. Maybe it will magically reappear in the DVD. Doug Catherine Toronto - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:13:34 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100 YES! All the time! I'm glad to know I'm not the only weirdo in the world! :) KJHSF@aol.com wrote: ... I have this feeling that I don't want to share her with this potential new audience... What is that all about? If Joni's popularity reached epic proportions (in sheer numbers) I'd feel like this special thing that we share in the JMDL community would somehow be swallowed up. It's strange to find yourself wanting for Joni to get the recognition she deserves, while selfishly wanting it to remain utterly private. Anyone else feel this way? Ken Catherine Toronto - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:13:49 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Amazon Top 100 Wooohooo ... ok what the heck is a SIQUOMB? And can anyone tell me why my dog doesn't have a bellybutton? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:56 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100 Bob wrote: > I think that's when we'd have to ask Les to lock the gates to protect > us all from encroachment by the newbie barbarians! I think it's great! So far, 15 email addresses I've never seen before have subbed to the list today. Keep on coming! Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:14:36 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: NJC - Melissa Manchester There must be a morning after? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Lori Fye Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 4:01 PM To: mack watson-bush; joni Subject: NJC - Melissa Manchester mack wrote: > Joni Mitchell ain't no Bette Midler nor Melissa Manchester, the > latter of which is my alltime favorite and unsurpassed she will stay. Oh how I LOVE MM!!! She was my favorite before I discovered Joni's music, and I adore her to this day. Most especially "Home to Myself," the album and the song. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:20:48 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: NJC - Melissa Manchester that's maureen mcgovern. > There must be a morning after? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Lori > Fye > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 4:01 PM > To: mack watson-bush; joni > Subject: NJC - Melissa Manchester > > mack wrote: > > > Joni Mitchell ain't no Bette Midler nor Melissa Manchester, the > > latter of which is my alltime favorite and unsurpassed she will stay. > > Oh how I LOVE MM!!! She was my favorite before I discovered Joni's > music, and I adore her to this day. > > Most especially "Home to Myself," the album and the song. > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:20:10 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: american masters Hi Sue, Malka ________ was part of a 6o's - 70's folk duo Malka and Joso. There is an article somewhere in the data base- a cover story/interview from Maclean's magazine June 1974. I still have the original! Hope you are well. Best, Stephen in Vancouver Quoting Susan McNamara : > > Does anyone know who the author was who heard Joni sing I Had A King > in the village? She was very interesting. > > Sue > > > >In a message dated 4/3/2003 1:08:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > > > >> How wonderful to see 'happy grammy' Joni playing with her > >> grandbabies. > > > >Agreed - like that's the "Grammy" award she's wanted all along...I > >wonder if her next project is going to be a kid's record? ;~) > > > >Bob > > > >PS: Sue Mac, great to hear from you!! I was beginning to think you > >HAD died & gone to heaven! > > > -- > > > "Heart and humor and humility > will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:22:01 EST From: SoulQuest7@aol.com Subject: Re: Both Sides....NOT! In a message dated 4/3/2003 4:06:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, lori@lrfye.lunarpages.com writes: > Nick, it sounds as if you purchased "Travelogue," when what you were > looking for was the CD released just previous to it, called "Both Sides > Now." > But are the songs on Both Sides Now the same as the Travelogue except for that one song? === om--== Nick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:28:33 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: woman of heart and mind 4.) Polio. Deb Messling said, They did really gloss over a lot of stuff that happened after the first three or so albums, didn't they? Lori Fye missed: >>1) James Taylor, 2) HOSL 3) DED and CMIAR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:36:53 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100 ken asked? while selfishly wanting it to remain utterly private. Anyone else > feel this way? no, i feel the exact same way. but I guess we have to share her. mack > > > > > Catherine > Toronto > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:41:15 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: NJC - Melissa Manchester lori wrote: > > Oh how I LOVE MM!!! She was my favorite before I discovered Joni's > music, and I adore her to this day. > > Most especially "Home to Myself," the album and the song. oh yes lori. that album is truly a masterpiece and some of the subsequent ones are close and have cuts that have taken me to so many different places. melissa's writing style is very different from joni's but, in my opinion, comparable. well, in my opinion, somewhat better as she seems to bring out emotion much more. but joan is joan. and as ken wrote, she even gave credit and praise to joni in her lyrics. truly a remarkable individual. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:01:30 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: NJC - Melissa Manchester lori asked > No!! Is there? I haven't heard the entire album in YEARS, and have no > idea what ever became of my copy. Do you have the lyrics? that particular bit of lyric is 'no, i don't have the soul of joni, and i cannot see myself like ms. laura, but i have found so much that pleases me, and i guess its me, i'm just funny that way.' 'paisley is my color, crystals and beads........ at the time i had no idea who joni or laura were. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:00:34 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100 I don't know. I'm getting kind of tired of some you people - we could use some new blood. (Relax. I'm joking - I luvs youse guys to pieces.) Lori Fye wrote:-- Bob wrote: > I think that's when we'd have to ask Les to lock the gates to protect > us all from encroachment by the newbie barbarians! OH NO!!! Another round of endless queries about what "SIQUOMB" means!! (Just kidding) Lori Catherine Toronto - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:02:15 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Both Sides....NOT! Silly wabbit! That's cuz it's on "Both Sides Now", not "Travelogue." But all is not lost - now you get to buy another one and boost Joni's sales some more! SoulQuest7@aol.com wrote:What up with this? After seeing PBS' amazing JONI documentary last night, I ran out to buy the amazing orchestral version of BOTH SIDES NOW that closes the film to such dramatic effect. Much to my surprise, it's not on the double CD!!! What's up with THAT?! -== Jai Ma-- Victory the Mother Goddess-== -- Nick Catherine Toronto - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:04:09 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni on Video! 100% JC Are they shipping now? I thought it wasn't going to be available until May. (Not that far off really, but not that you'd know it - we've got freezing rain and snow tonight!) "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote:"Joni Mitchell: A Woman Of Heart and Mind" is available on NTSC VHS or DVD from WNET in New York. From the USA and Canada, you can call 1-800-336-1917. I ordered mine today. I don't know if the DVD is free of region coding. Catherine Toronto - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 17:04:55 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC - Melissa Manchester Here's a funny story ... (do you know some people call me "Lori with a Story?") ... About 4 years ago when I was still living in San Antonio, a friend of mine who works around L.A. and gets invited to various celeb parties called me on the phone, a bit inebriated (well okay, she was totally fecked up). She said she was at a party at Melissa Manchester's HOUSE, and wondered if I knew who Melissa is? Well! I explained to my friend that not only do I know who she is, but I used to own every album (up through Don't Cry Out Loud, anyway - I'd discovered Joni by the time that one was released). AND I loved Melissa so much in high school that I permed my hair so it would look like hers! That was all it took for my friend to say, "Oh my god, you're a weirdo! I was going to let you TALK to Melissa, but now -- no way!" Oh well. I never knew if that particular friend was ever telling the truth about ANYTHING, so nothing lost. I guess. Maybe. : ( Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:06:40 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Amazon Top 100 njc i guess --- theodore wrote: > Wooohooo ... ok what the heck is a SIQUOMB? It's what mermaids use to comb their hair. And can > anyone tell me why > my dog doesn't have a bellybutton? No, but I'm dying to find out - mine doesn't have one either! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 17:08:38 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC - Melissa Manchester > that particular bit of lyric is 'no, i don't have the soul of joni, > and i cannot see myself like ms. laura, but i have found so much that > pleases me, and i guess its me, i'm just funny that way.' 'paisley > is my color, crystals and beads........ > > > at the time i had no idea who joni or laura were. I didn't either, when I first heard that song. I do remember now that I once connected it to Joni Mitchell ... geez, I feel like I'm 19 all over again. Not a bad feeling at all. Thanks, Mack. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:13:02 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: NJC - Melissa Manchester lori wrote: > Here's a funny story ... (do you know some people call me "Lori with a > Story?") ... wow. a true missy fan. lori, you've got me forever now. we often hear or read here that people 'don't get joni.' well, most 'don't get melissa.' it is those obscure lyrics, those tunes most haven't heard that show the real missy manchester, not the hits. remember the line 'so will you take me with you now, or have they taken you?' darn, most of my missy is back in texas and really missing them now. i do have every single album she has put out and with the exception of the dreadful emergency, each one is a gem. enjoyed your story. thanks. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 17:11:57 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Both Sides....NOT! > But are the songs on Both Sides Now the same as the Travelogue except > for that one song? No, not at all. Both Sides Now is an album of jazz/blues "standards," with the exception of A Case Of You and BSN. The album is meant to tell a story. See this page, toward the bottom, for a list of songs on the album: http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/ Buy it, you'll like it! Lori, who knows Muller will disagree ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:12:36 -0500 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: Joni on Video! 100% JC Yes they are. They say to give it 4 weeks to receive from NYC. I think the one that isn't available until May is the one with an additional 30 minutes in it. But who can wait until then??!! And yes, I'll end up buying that one, too. Jerry - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:04 PM To: Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu; _JMDL Subject: Re: Joni on Video! 100% JC Are they shipping now? I thought it wasn't going to be available until May. (Not that far off really, but not that you'd know it - we've got freezing rain and snow tonight!) "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote:"Joni Mitchell: A Woman Of Heart and Mind" is available on NTSC VHS or DVD from WNET in New York. From the USA and Canada, you can call 1-800-336-1917. I ordered mine today. I don't know if the DVD is free of region coding. Catherine Toronto - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:14:38 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Both Sides....NOT! --- SoulQuest7@aol.com wrote:> > But are the songs on Both Sides Now the same as the > Travelogue except for > that one song? === om--== Nick Not at all. Both Sides Now has Joni doing other people's songs - mostly of the "torch" song genre - except for orchestrated versions of "A case of you" and "Both Sides Now." If you like Travelogue, you'll probably like Both Sides Now. Like Travelogue, it has its fans and its detractors. I listened to it the other day, after not listening to it for about a year and quite enjoyed it, but I wouldn't listen to it every day. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 17:17:52 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Amazon Top 100 njc i guess Oh ok. See what I get for having a bald mermaid. I really think my dog ate her own belly button! - -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 5:07 PM To: theodore; 'Les Irvin' Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Amazon Top 100 njc i guess --- theodore wrote: > Wooohooo ... ok what the heck is a SIQUOMB? It's what mermaids use to comb their hair. And can > anyone tell me why > my dog doesn't have a bellybutton? No, but I'm dying to find out - mine doesn't have one either! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:17:59 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Joni on Video! 100% now NJC --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > Yes they are. They say to give it 4 weeks to receive > from NYC. I think the > one that isn't available until May is the one with > an additional 30 minutes > in it. But who can wait until then??!! And yes, I'll > end up buying that one, > too. Suckah!!! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 17:22:55 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC - Melissa Manchester > wow. a true missy fan. lori, you've got me forever now. yay! > we often hear or read here that people 'don't get joni.' well, > most 'don't get melissa.' it is those obscure lyrics, those tunes > most haven't heard that show the real missy manchester, not the > hits. I completely agree. See, even though I was about 19 when I made the connection between Melissa and Joni, I was 15 or 16 when I first saw Melissa on some late night TV show. She played piano and sang "Home To Myself," and it just blew me away. I thought, "Whoever this is, she wrote this song for ME!!" I sometimes regret that I wasn't into Joni when I was going through the agony of adolescence, but I did have Melissa, and she got me through a LOT of lonely, troubled times. > remember the line 'so will you take me with you now, or have they > taken you?' My mind is foggy ... but I sort of recall it. Melissa wrote so many great lyrics, and yeah, she never has gotten the recognition she deserves for her writing or for her magnificent voice. Btw, my then-boyfriend Henry, who hated my "Melissa afro," was kind enough to take me to see her IN CONCERT in 1976!! Absolutely flawless. Lori, loving these memories and leaving work soon to play "The Essence of Melissa Manchester" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 17:26:24 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: woman of heart and mind Jim noticed the absence of any mention of > 4.) Polio. Damn! You're quite right! I wonder why? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:31:33 -0500 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: NJC - Melissa Manchester I was a true fan of both Joni's and Melissa's. But they were so different. MM comes from a very classically trained musical family. Her father performed with the NY Symphony, her brother was her music conductor, and Melissa herself studied voice and music. Joni, as we know, never really studied, and certainly never the classics. Joni's music has endured, while I don't think we have but fond memories of Melissa. The last time I saw her was in Andrew Lloyd Webber's Song and Dance. She can sing, but she sure can't act. Though I did like the small part she played in For the Boys. Jerry - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Lori Fye Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:23 PM To: mack watson-bush; joni Subject: Re: NJC - Melissa Manchester > wow. a true missy fan. lori, you've got me forever now. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 11:33:44 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: woman of heart and mind SoulQuest7@aol.com wrote: Personally, I > admire her for branching out, but I think it's strange to say she was a > pioneer in world music hybrids. George Harrison was thoroughly employing > Indian music in his songs back in 1966-1967, and he was quickly followed by > people such as Donovan and The Incredible String Band. For that matter, the > U.S. version of Help! in 1965 had a version of "A Hard Day's Night" performed > on Indian instruments, so maybe that was the first pop/world music hybrid. It > certainly was that movie that turned George onto the sitar. > The 'world music pioneer' tag doesn't really ring true. Josephine Baker in the '30's. Carmen Miranda in the 40's. Stan Getz and Herbie Mann brought Brazilian music to the mainstream in the early 60's. Harry Belafonte's "Banana Boat Song", Trini Lopez' "Lemon Tree". Even Sinatra did two LP's with Jobim. Santana crossed latin music with rock in 1969, while Joni was 5 full albums away from using the Barundi drums. Simon & Garfunkel's "El Condor Pasa" used a Peruvian band in 1970. There is even a short reggae- style break in The Beatles "I Call Your Name" from 1964. Miles Davis' "Bitches Brew" in 1969 fused jazz and African influences..in the world of jazz, using African and Latin influences was old news; Dizzy Gillespie, Tito Puente,,,fingers getting tired.... RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 11:38:08 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Purchase WOHAM video Deb Messling wrote: > The PBS site says you can purchase the Woman of Heart and Mind video by > calling 1-800-336-1917 > It's available on VHS or DVD for 19.98 + 4.95 shipping. They say delivery will take 3-6 weeks ! What do you have to do to make something travel so slow? Or is it not ready? They won't say, only that it is available now (as in a month from now). RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 17:52:50 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: RE: woman of heart and mind Lori Fye wrote: Jim noticed the absence of any mention of > 4.) Polio. Damn! You're quite right! I wonder why? hey you two..they did...at the very beginning ;-) mags. You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 18:09:13 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: woman of heart and mind Howabout stan getz? Also Ritchie Valens. I'm a rocker so if I'm way off base forgive me. I think joni stands out in her originality in general. To my shot out ears she stands alone, and, I think she influenced a whole bunch of other stuff I heard before her. Especially a lot of psychedelic folk rock stuff from England. I don't know if there is any other Arthur Lee fans out there but his songwriting and joni's have some similarities. Although Love has a more theatrical feel, and, Arthur is a real nut. Also Van Morrison's Astral Weeks, very poetry in motion, although with a more van the man feel. And in terms of poetry in motion, the thirteenth floor elevators, although I wonder if they were well known enough to influence anyone at that time, 64, 65. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Randy Remote Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 11:34 AM To: SoulQuest7@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: woman of heart and mind SoulQuest7@aol.com wrote: Personally, I > admire her for branching out, but I think it's strange to say she was a > pioneer in world music hybrids. George Harrison was thoroughly employing > Indian music in his songs back in 1966-1967, and he was quickly followed by > people such as Donovan and The Incredible String Band. For that matter, the > U.S. version of Help! in 1965 had a version of "A Hard Day's Night" performed > on Indian instruments, so maybe that was the first pop/world music hybrid. It > certainly was that movie that turned George onto the sitar. > The 'world music pioneer' tag doesn't really ring true. Josephine Baker in the '30's. Carmen Miranda in the 40's. Stan Getz and Herbie Mann brought Brazilian music to the mainstream in the early 60's. Harry Belafonte's "Banana Boat Song", Trini Lopez' "Lemon Tree". Even Sinatra did two LP's with Jobim. Santana crossed latin music with rock in 1969, while Joni was 5 full albums away from using the Barundi drums. Simon & Garfunkel's "El Condor Pasa" used a Peruvian band in 1970. There is even a short reggae- style break in The Beatles "I Call Your Name" from 1964. Miles Davis' "Bitches Brew" in 1969 fused jazz and African influences..in the world of jazz, using African and Latin influences was old news; Dizzy Gillespie, Tito Puente,,,fingers getting tired.... RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 19:07:35 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: woman of heart and mind Mags wrote, of the mention of polio: > hey you two..they did...at the very beginning ;-) Well shite, that must've occurred during my trip from livingroom to basement. Of course I'll watch it again! (I'm recording it from digital to VHS right now.) Thanks, Mags! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 22:20:41 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Purchase WOHAM video --- Randy Remote wrote: > Deb Messling wrote: > > > The PBS site says you can purchase the Woman of > Heart and Mind video by > > calling 1-800-336-1917 > > > > It's available on VHS or DVD for 19.98 + 4.95 > shipping. They say > delivery will take 3-6 weeks ! What do you have to > do to make > something travel so slow? Or is it not ready? They > won't say, only > that it is available now (as in a month from now). > RR Available for purchase now, maybe, but not available. Capisce? You can order it now, but you just can't have it! I think they were talking about the beginning of May, before the show even aired - that's probably what they mean. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:23:35 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: woman of heart and mind whoa!!!! is there a central location where all the photo, film, and video are achived??? what a dream job to go over all the vintage footage for the show. just ordered my dvd today. take care gene ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 22:28:57 -0500 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: re: American Masters Some unexpected revelations from last night's show: Her interviews: She was so relaxed, grounded, warm-spirited, candid, real - -- with no sense of the bitterness that's been inferred from her other recent interviews. Makes me wonder how words on the page divorced from the voice and expression of the speaker can communicate a meaning not truly present. Her performances: I have never seen her live. And don't have the videos often discussed on this list (except Shadows & Light). So the concert footage was new to me. It really was extraordinary how mature an artist she was in those early days -- I could totally understand Crosby's comments on seeing her for the first time and knew that his judgement was not hyperbolic nostalgia. In particular, the ACOY performance was stunning. Which of the videos talked about here is that on? Is that the 'pink dress' concert? Blue: I know it's a great work. Have always known that. But in the hippie dippie context of 1970 it's an amazingly advanced achievement. What really gets me is the restraint of the recording. The stripped-down discipline and focus. In recalling the sequence of her recordings, I often have to stop and force myself to remember that Blue is before FTR. Because in the evolution of Joni's work, it seems Blue should come after FTR. I don't know why I think this. Come In From the Cold: Never saw that video before. Wish they had played the whole thing. After the Mingus and WTRF sequence, that song was like a huge rush of fresh air. I think that it's one her last truly great melodies (until the melodies yet to come. I hope.) Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 19:38:16 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Purchase WOHAM video > What do you have to do to make something travel so slow? Or is it not > ready? Oh fer pete's sake! I have a beautiful digital copy of the program, and the VCR is already hooked up to record. If you can live with the "WETA" logo at bottom right on the screen, send me a blank tape and I'll make a copy for you. Anyone? Email me privately, please. Lori near DC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:00:44 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Fw: CD sales shoot up I am not at all surpised that "Blue" is the shooting star amongst Joni's body of work. Seems it took a prominent spot in WOHM last night. I think rather than so many new converts these shoppers are old fans rediscovering, with of course a sprinkling of newbies. But I also LOVE that Norah Jones CD, Smurph so you can snore and I'll dream of Norah. And would I be wrong not to emphasize here the absence of DED in this sudden burst of sales. Dog eat Dog, even the title must have been a premonition! LOL! I love to hate that album. Keep those orders coming - the lines are open! Peace, Susan NP: Beth Orton/The Mags CD - Thanks Mags! - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > whizzboom@attbi.com writes: > > << > Blue is now #17. Whoa! >> > > Which reminds me . . . I was in Tower Records in Harvard Square, Cambridge, > the other night and "Blue" was in the #11 slot of their store bestsellers. > Norah Jones was, of course, #1, so I thought maybe people are discovering > "Blue" in the wake of Norah's record (SNORE), as an example of how powerful a > woman singing with minimal musical accompaniment can really be. As someone > mentioned in the show last night, "Blue" is like nothing before or since. > Maybe the time has come for it to get the recognition it deserves sales-wise. > > --Bob Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:01:17 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: re: American Masters Nice post, Bruce. > In recalling the sequence of her recordings, I often have to stop and > force myself to remember that Blue is before FTR. Because in the > evolution of Joni's work, it seems Blue should come after FTR. I > don't know why I think this. I do the same thing. It DOES seems that Blue should have come after FTR. Perhaps it's because, to me, the vocal and musical style of FTR seems to fit nicely between LOTC and Blue. In some ways, Blue seems to be more "mature" than FTR. However, it's useful to remember that Joni was writing a LOT during the early days -- well, really all the time -- and some songs seem to have been recorded onto an album when the time or "theme" was right. According to the program footage from WOHAM (god I love these acronyms), Joni performed many songs several years before they appeared on vinyl. Even later, when you consider (for instance) Hejira and DJRD, there's a lot of material that has the feeling of a "bridge" between the two works. And you know there may be more ... in fact, I'm sure of it. Lori ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #213 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)