From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #205 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, March 31 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 205 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Iraq-NJC [colin ] Re: NJC Support for war ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni, then and now / cbc woman of heart and mind [magsnbrei ] Re: NJC versus VLJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] RE: Iraq-NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] MARCH 30!!!!!! NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: true or false? - NJC & political content ["Kate Bennett" ] NJC Re: "Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell" in New York [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: MARCH 30!!!!!! NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: MARCH 30!!!!!! NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni and the war [Randy Remote ] RE: Iraq-NJC ["theodore" ] Re: Now that we have all done our one hand clapping routines [Randy Remot] Re: Iraq-NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] RE: Iraq-NJC ["theodore" ] Re: Iraq-NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] re: sisotowbell lane [Catherine McKay ] Fwd: RE: Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now and Then [Catherine McKay ] STAS memories [BRIANASYMES@aol.com] RE: Iraq-NJC ["theodore" ] Re: Iraq-NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] Joni, then and now ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Iraq-NJC ["theodore" ] Re: Joni, then and now [Little Bird ] Apologies re: list protocols [Kay Ashley ] RE: Iraq-NJC ["theodore" ] Joni Special: WEDNESDAY NIGHT !! ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Sisotowbell Lane [Kay Ashley ] RE: Joni Special: WEDNESDAY NIGHT !! ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Iraq-NJC blonde in the bleachers wrote: >So what! They both equally dislike the United States. Nice email address >by the way, if you lived elsewhere, say Iraq, you wouldn't be given the >freedom to voice your own opinion or oppose your own government. War >with Iraq was inevitable, but to listen to all of the people who oppose >this war you would think that Saddam is being persecuted when in reality >he is the persecutor. Is the left so willing to oppose the war that they >turn a blind eye toward the human atrocities that are committed by >Saddam? > > > > > quite right. so why are we not invading Saudi arabia? Iran? Zimbabwe? and numerous other countries. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:33:44 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC Support for war Kate wrote: > there is a boycott on for the 2 biggest gas companys but its more > about high gas prices especially here in ca...i think the 2 companys > are exxon & mobile? Exxon and Mobil merged and are actually the same HUGE company. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:22:20 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: Joni, then and now / cbc woman of heart and mind Andrew wrote: <<>> and now me: Especially after seeing part one of the CBC Life and Times of Joni Mitchell, Woman of Heart and Mind, I cannot help but feel frustrated when some people want Joni to be anything other than who and what and where she is 'now'. Over the course of the first hour, I gained a whole new appreciation for her. I felt as though I was discovering her all over again. Amazing considering Ive been a constant, life long fan of hers since Court and Spark and Blue were in the limelight. Joni has given us an incredible body of work, and has touched the lives, hearts and souls of countless people around the world. All of her contemporaries adore her, especially Graham ; there's no mistaking that twinkle in his eye ;-). Joni is unique, one of a kind. There is no one like her on the face of the earth. Notice how many musicians relay how difficult it is to sing and play 'Joni' tunes. She makes it all look so easy. I love her stories and feel that she is a true story teller. She offers us her precious jewels, a story within a story, within. I love it when she feels the need to explain the origin of a song for I want to know who and where and the why. And why not. If Joni is finished writing 'new' songs, I can accept that. I respect her decision if that's where she is, now. She's a fluid, free spirit so who knows where she will go next. I appreciate Both Sides Now as well as Travelogue for the same reasons that I appreciate every single album she has recorded. She takes a chance and flies with it. I love that Joni chose to record her own songs in new ways. She pushes the envelope as Joni often does; sometimes catches us off guard and makes us think and ask ourselves what it is about a particular line, song, tone or entire album that affects us in the way that it does. Joni is an artist and with each new project, she smooths out a fresh canvas with her hands. She combines different colours, lines, brush strokes for effect. Her masterpieces are built layer upon layer, as the past collides with the present and moves us into the future. Joni paints in a wide spectrum of colour, whether she's choosing paint or words, she lays down her soul onto paper in search of release for her feelings and thoughts and ideas. At the time that VanGogh was alive, he only sold one painting (so I understand). At the time he was painting, many people thought he was a mad man. Completely insane. (And what is sanity anyway?) alas, I digress. Imho, VanGogh .. and Joni are geniuses in their own right, in their own time, in their own way. Perhaps she wont be truly recognized or appreciated as such until long after the dust has taken flight upon prairie winds. Don't it always seem to go. Take a deep breath and inhale her for who she is, here and now. Watching the Joni special the other night made my heart ache. No musician has ever affected me in the ways she has, ever. I watched the images and walked with her life through her life experience...her marriage, the hope and the tragic loss of a baby, a hope that walked beside her like a ghost for many years. Not an easy decision whatsoever. She makes that very clear. I love that the folks on the jmdl share so many thoughts and interpretations of her work, because that is what Joni asks of us. When we come to her in search of meaning to a phrase, a word, a notion, she turns that around and asks what it means to us. I want her to know that I hear her right inside my heart. Mags. np: Cactus Tree, from Song to A Seagull...my lullabye album from days gone by. You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! 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Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:37:04 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC versus VLJC In a message dated 31/03/2003 14:01:25 GMT Daylight Time, Bobsart48@aol.com writes: << It would not be difficult (and it would be so much more respectful) to post the first 12 paragraphs in such a post as NJC, and send the last paragraph to the full list, would it? >> I agree 100%. Several Joni-only listers have quite justifiably complained about this very practice in the past. I wrote to one of the "miscreants" privately to point out gently that this wasn't really cricket, but I think it's right to highlight it here. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:15:57 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Iraq-NJC i agree, this war was planned a long time ago but your interpretation of those who oppose this war indicates you are not bothering to listen...i have never heard anyone in opposition who has ever implied saddam is anything but horrible & needs to go...however, the manner in which the usa is going about this is what so many object to & indeed in this past week the actions by the usa have created many new enemies in the muslim world- this is what so many predicted would happen... i heard a very good point made recently but i can't recall by whom (this is directly related to list i posted of places the usa bombed & not one of them resulted in a gov't of democracy)- the point that was made was that democracy HAS often resulted when the people of a country rise up to overthrow a leader (usually with the support of the usa but not in the sense of an invasion or bombing etc)... however, as many have noted, establishing a democracy in iraq does not seem to be the goal of this invasion...its about doing business >War with Iraq was inevitable, but to listen to all of the people who oppose this war you would think that Saddam is being persecuted when in reality he is the persecutor. Is the left so willing to oppose the war that they turn a blind eye toward the human atrocities that are committed by Saddam? < ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:15:59 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: MARCH 30!!!!!! NJC happy birthday mr paz, hope your day was glorious & filled with music & friends! >>my precious ones, yesterday was MICHAEL PAZ'S BIRTHDAY!!!!>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:15:56 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: true or false? - NJC & political content yes it will, so will the duct & plastic cover drill...when checking out www.snopes i discovered that sadly, three people died of suffocation after sealing their home with plastic sheeting and duct tape. bob >Thanks to all who calmed me down regarding my friend's (latest) misinformation. Now, does anyone have any idea what I can do with a case of duct tape and 10,000 square feet of plastic sheeting? (Don't go for the obvious retort, Muller.) Paranoia. It'll destroy ya.< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:43:17 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: "Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell" in New York I know this is old news.... and I probably missed it...but wondered if anyone went to, or listened to the The Symphony Space presentation of "Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell" in New York And could provide a setlist of artists/songs they covered? perhaps/please? ~Richard >11:00 AM - 2:00 PM: >Sylvia McNair >Introduction and Welcome >Clips from the Dick Cavett Show (8/16/69) >Laurie Anderson >Lauren Flanigan >Jason Moran >Lorinda Lisitza >Stretto >Lucy Kaplansky >Garland Jeffreys >Jane Ira Bloom >Morley >Helga Davis >Gail Ann Dorsey > >2:00 PM - 5:00 PM >Ivy Austin >Christine Lavin >Suzzy and Maggie Roche >Bob Holman >Sally Fingerett >Luciana Souza >David Krakauer >Theo Bleckmann >Dana Hanchard >Greg Tate > >5:00 PM - 8:00 PM >Edie Carey >Anne Heaton >Elliott Sharp's Terraplane >Nora York >Melba Joyce >Carole Pope >Four Bags >Fred Hersch >Greg Osby >Tamar-kali >Julian Fleisher >Sussan Deyhim >Brandon Ross > >8:00 PM - 11:00 PM >The Mingus Big Band >Jenifer Jackson >Don Byron & Music for Six Musicians +1 >Martha Wainwright >Marc Anthony Thompson >Ute Lemper ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:18:05 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: MARCH 30!!!!!! NJC Happy Birthday Michael. I'm so glad Wally remembered *something*, but I guess he was off getting his discounts at the nudist colony :~) I hope you had a wonderful b-day, and I'll make sure the cuban puts on a halter top in your honor. Love, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:25:36 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell" in New York In a message dated 3/31/2003 5:45:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, richard2sf@earthlink.net writes: > but wondered > if anyone went to, or listened to the The Symphony Space presentation > of "Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell" in New York > And could provide a setlist of artists/songs they covered? perhaps/please? > Richard, I'm so pleased that you've awakened from the coma you've obviously been in to have missed all the W2W posts, including my review & listing of all the performers/songs. ;o) I originally posted the performers & songs on March 24. I then went back and posted a 7-part review of each. You can go diggin' in the archives...or wait and Les should soon have the review as a complete article in the JMDL database. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:31:26 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: "Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell" in New York WHAT?!?!?!?! you want me to go digging in the archives??? when you could just go into your "SENT" Box and "FORWARD" it to me? Coma? what Coma? I just spaced out for awhile, is all..... At 6:25 PM -0500 3/31/03, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 3/31/2003 5:45:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, >richard2sf@earthlink.net writes: > >>but wondered >>if anyone went to, or listened to the The Symphony Space presentation >>of "Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell" in New York >>And could provide a setlist of artists/songs they covered? perhaps/please? >> > > >Richard, > >I'm so pleased that you've awakened from the coma you've obviously >been in to have missed all the W2W posts, including my review & >listing of all the performers/songs. ;o) > >I originally posted the performers & songs on March 24. I then went >back and posted a 7-part review of each. > >You can go diggin' in the archives...or wait and Les should soon >have the review as a complete article in the JMDL database. > >Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:41:36 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Iraq-NJC colin asked? > > > > > quite right. so why are we not invading Saudi arabia? Iran? Zimbabwe? > and numerous other countries. I don't imagine those that are against war would be any happier about attacks against those countries. And who knows, they may be next. I opposed going into Iraq but now, after witnessing what the beast has done to our soldiers, I can only support our troops and look forward to Saddam Hussein getting what he deserves. As for world sentiment, it is as jaded as the coverage of Al-Jazeera. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:35:56 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: "Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell" in New York In a message dated 3/31/2003 6:33:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, richard2sf@earthlink.net writes: > Coma? what Coma? > Naw, I was just spoofing...besides, I already sent it to you. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:43:52 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: MARCH 30!!!!!! NJC Happy, happy belated birthday wishes Michael Paz. my best, mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:49:32 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: MARCH 30!!!!!! NJC In a message dated 3/31/03 5:26:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > happy birthday mr paz, hope your day was glorious & filled with music & > friends! > > HAPPY FECKIN BELATED BIRTHDAY PAZ!!!! I KNOW YOU PARTIED HARD LOVE U, ROSIE IN NJ XXOO Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:50:35 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni and the war emil thompson wrote: > Does anyone know where Joni stands on this whole war issue thing, has > she said anything about it ? How about Neil Young, I don't know if Joni has made any statements directly about this war. Neil did, however, launch an antiwar scree during the recent Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony. (He was there to honor record mogul Mo Ostin). He said "Tonight we're having a good time,but we're going to kill a lot of people next week. Let's not forget about that ... We're making a huge mistake." MTV did not air his comments during their taped broadcast of the event, except a brief one about Ostin. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:06:43 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Iraq-NJC opposed going into Iraq but now, after witnessing what the beast has done to our soldiers, I can only support our troops and look forward to Saddam Hussein getting what he deserves. I have a very hard time saying exactly what others deserve; however since you have god on your side, why don't we leave it up to you. So should we boil him in oil? Or off with his head? How much should he suffer before you do the evil man in? Maybe we should throw him to the lions? Lethal injection? Electric chair? Hanging? Guillotine? Burn him at the stake? Firing squad? What about his sons? Same fate? Howabout his foot soldiers should they escape punishment? Surely we need to set a stern example? Please advise. The world certainly needs more Grand Inquisitors. Truly how can you sit idle and watch, grab a gun and head to the crusade. Praise the lord and pass the ammunition! "... down here next to me in this lonely crowd. There's a man who swears he's not to blame. All day long I hear him cry so loud calling out that he's been framed." Bobby Dylan, "I Shall Be Released" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:06:11 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Now that we have all done our one hand clapping routines Joni has not, to my knowledge, announced any plans to perform anywhere. She did a one-off performance for the Walden Woods benefit last November. She has also announced that she's quitting the music biz altogether, which reminds me of the tee shirt worn by one of the Firesign Theatre that said "Rolling Stones 3rd Farewell Tour" Now what's all this about one hand clapping? RR Suzanne MarcAurele wrote: > (Which may account for Mitchell appearing in public as little as possible!!) > Does anyone have any information on where, when or why she may or may not be > giving a live performance somewhere this year? Hows about something related > to her paintings? Please do not respond if it is a one hand clapping > revisited! Thanks > S. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:26:21 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Iraq-NJC theodore wrote: > > I have a very hard time saying exactly what others deserve; - -doesn't show. seem to have strong ideas and opinions on all. however > since you have god on your side, - -didn't mention god. but it is a sure bet he isn't on the side of saddam hussein. amazes me that anyone would take even a moment to take up for the man, and I use that term very loosely. why don't we leave it up to you - -well, since you left it up to me, then we can do away with your suggestions. hmmmm. how about hanging him up in town square by his testicles til he died. I am not Hans Blix, nor one of those that will give him the benefit of the doubt. There is no doubt in my mind what he has done and the evidence is clear. Civility? Well, I suppose that might do in civil society but Saddam Hussein and his atrocities don't fit that definition. Please advise. The world certainly needs more Grand > Inquisitors. - -My, my. Just how much forgiveness, space, love, should we give Saddam Hussein? Truly how can you sit idle and watch, grab a gun and head > to the crusade. - -would have no problem whatsover pulling the lever to dispose of Hussein. Praise the lord and pass the ammunition! - -and save the inferences to religion to those that preach it, which isn't me. > "... down here next to me in this lonely crowd. There's a man who swears > he's not to blame. All day long I hear him cry so loud calling out that > he's been framed." Bobby Dylan, "I Shall Be Released" maybe we could pipe in Bob Dylan throughout Baghdad and everything would be alright. I would imagine then that they would throw down the arms and ask for forgiveness for murdering those poor soldiers, sent there by a government that wouldn't take no for an answer. Where is your defense for them? Where is your righteous indignation for those tortured and left in the sand? Amazes me that anyone could take up the sword for Saddam Hussein. Nough said. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:37:33 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Iraq-NJC Where is your righteous indignation for those tortured and left in the sand? Amazes me that anyone could take up the sword for Saddam Hussein. Nough said. Truly its time for action, while your off at the front I'll wave a flag and send you some candy bars! Should I say god bless America, or would that offend? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:51:59 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Iraq-NJC > Truly its time for action, while your off at the front I'll wave a flag > and send you some candy bars! Should I say god bless America, or would > that offend After you have defended Saddam Hussein, nothing you could say could offend or affect me. And that is definitely enough said. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:18:18 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: re: sisotowbell lane --- mia ortlieb wrote: > Bob wrote: "Sisotowbell Lane is an interesting > song...I wonder if it's about > a place that Joni actually experienced, or a place > she imagined. I mean, I > know the NAME is fictitious, just wondering what > she's referencing." > > I alway thought that Joni was referencing a time or > a place for pregnant > unwed mothers -- imagined or real, I do not know. > The biggest clue that I > see is the repeated reference to "rocking chairs"... > and the line that "Noah > is fixing a pump in the rain, he brings us no shame, > we always knew that he > always knew" indicates that this man, Noah, is not > judgemental of the > character's out-of-wedlock pregnancy. > > Also, the last line "we wait for you" indicates to > me that the character is > just waiting out the time until the baby is born. > That's an interesting take. I never woulda thunk it but it does make sense. To me Sisowtobell Lane sounds like a place remembered from childhood, out in the country. (Joni and her acronyms - I thought of a sisowtobell (Sp?) as a kind of flower like a larkspur or bluebells maybe.) I figured the pump Noah was fixing was the pump for the well. I think Joni is a kid when she's singing this song. The kids are sitting on the front porch eating muffin buns and berries by the steamy kitchen window, out of the rain, watching Noah do his work, taking turns on the porch rocking chair. The people are friendly - they'll always be there when you come back, even years later. When you come back as a grownup, they'll even lend you their car. If I were a teacher and I taught young kids, I'd teach them this song. And Morning Morgantown would be the other side of it - the fun part of being a kid in town. These songs seem very nostalgic to me - you may have a point about the pregnancy. Depending on when Joni wrote SL (I don't feel like trying to spell it again), maybe she was pining for simpler times, or wishing the simple joys of that kind of life for her own child. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:24:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Fwd: RE: Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now and Then Don't get too excited. I contacted Eaglevision about the fact that they had Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now & Then advert'ed on their website. The answer I got back is below. I turns out this is simply "JM- A woman of heart and mind" after all, and that even those in the "biz" don't bother to update their websites (doncha frickin' hate THAT?) And here some of us were hoping this was going to be the *other* one, the one Joni didnt' want people to see. And it also seems the people who are supposedly promoting this stuff don't know much about it either. >>sigh<< 'twas ever thus. You want information? Ask a jmdler; they're the only ones that seem to know anything. --- Robert Ross wrote: > Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now and Then > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:53:42 -0500 > From: "Robert Ross" > To: "Catherine McKay" > > Hello: > > All I can tell you about this upcoming release > (proper title: Joni Mitchell - Woman of Heart & > Mind): It is not out yet; the date of release is > June 3. The art is still being prepared. That is > all the information I am at liberty to distribute on > this project. We want the best quality on it and > cannot give any unapproved info or art to anyone. > > Keep checking back with Amazon or CD Now as the art > is close to readiness; it will be posted (we > believe) by month's end. > > Best regards, > Rob Ross > Production Manager > Eagle Rock Entertainment > > -----Original Message----- > From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 8:48 AM > To: Robert Ross > Subject: Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now and Then > > > On your website you have info on a DVD/video called > "Joni Mitchell: Both Sides now and then." If you > click > on "buy it", it transports you to CDNow/Amazon, > where > doing a research reveals... nothing. > > A number of people on the Joni Mitchell discussion > list (www.jmdl.com) are wondering about this. We > understood such a film had been made but that Joni > nixed it and that subsequently, a > new/revised/whatever > film came from it - Joni Mitchell: a woman of Heart > and Mind (as aired on CBC earlier this month; and a > slightly longer version of this to air on PBS April > 2.) > > Can you please let me know whether or not the "Both > sides now and then" film will be available - and if > so, when and how and all that? (There are people on > the jmdl who would kill for this. I wouldn't go that > far, but I'd love to have a copy, especially having > so > much enjoyed "Woman of heart & mind" and anxiously > awaiting its release on DVD in early May (and hoping > that isn't fiction either.) > > Thanks. > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:29:26 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: sisotowbell lane In a message dated 3/31/2003 8:25:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > maybe she was > pining for simpler times, or wishing the simple joys > of that kind of life for her own child. > I still think Mia nailed it, and I think your take on it is an extension of the "child with a child pretending" mindset. Of course she's longing for a simpler more uncomplicated time, given her situation. And the rocking chair, as in rocking a baby to sleep...crystal clear to me. Bob NP: Badly Drawn Boy, "Born Again" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:31:42 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: true or false? - NJC & political content In a message dated 3/31/03 2:00:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > Now, does anyone have any idea what I can do with a case of > duct tape and 10,000 square feet of plastic sheeting? you can spread out the plastic sheeting in your backyard Smurfy, wet it down and practice those knee slides the way Bruce does em.....why not invite the neighborhood kids over to join in the fun.... ~rosie Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:52:20 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: re: sisotowbell lane Catherine wrote: "The people are friendly - they'll always be there when you come back, even years later. When you come back as a grownup, they'll even lend you their car. If I were a teacher and I taught young kids, I'd teach them this song." Very nice idea! I do remember learning "The Circle Game" as a child. Our music teacher, Mrs. Featherstone, in grade 2, taught us Circle Game and we sang it for our parents during a "class assembly" where the parents sit at the desks (tight fit for some) and the kids stand at the front of the classroom and sing their hearts out. S. Lane does have a very childlike quality to it; it's very nostalgic and ideal. It's always reminded me of the Canadian prairies with reference to the badlands and the woodlands and the grasslands. I don't know if anyone can nail a Joni Mitchell song with a single definition, only offer personal insight. I'd like to hear some other thoughts on this song. It's definitely my favourite from the album. Hopefulness and optimism were staples of Joni's early work. Some might call it naivity but I think it's just the product of a good heart. - -Andrew Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:51:20 EST From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: STAS memories My Aunt presented this Album to me in 68 to me when she learned from my mom I had Clouds on my shelf and listened to it daily after School. I knew right off IHAK was about Chuck "of an Actor who fears the laughter's sting." He was a player on Willie's stage in Branford, Ontario. And Detroit's many citizen's all drove around in rusty Fairlane's. NITH is a Mama's&Papa's influenced wanna be a popfolk B side song Marcie is a vocal master piece, I think Chuck taught Joni how to add transfixing emotion's in Nathan La Franeer. The songs "down to the Seaside" are truly joni's adventure as an opening blood red Tulip. Many have our own Sisotowbell Lane life. I had a summerbarefootkissmyfirstgirl place skin white by skin golden seen skinny dipping in the full moon blonde hair falling across Irish lassies freckles salty lemon tequila kisses lapping with the rhythm of the waves. oops sorry its so easy to fall back to poetry as I listen to Pirates of Penance especially when there is two Joni's singing this song. I think the nimble fingers on Song to the Seagull could be turned into a concerto by say Christopher Parkening. When I was a teen I spent so many hours tacking across the waves contained in the Holy Grail Bay. The low notes of her guitar in Cactus Tree were the loose lines on the masts of my boat. I was that man who was out sailing in the decade of young dreams. Brian Symes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:53:38 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Iraq-NJC Awwww c'mon mack the knife, off to war with you ....hup hup....maybe the army will teach you to read as well ... ok I'll give you a clue. I love Saddam Hussein, I send him chemicals and I have a big Iraqi flag waving in the front yard. Come by and see if you are half a man... 7136 murray park drive san diego, ca 92119 need directions? Call 619 464 7429... or use your gps if the jammers I sold to my friend Uday will let you! LOL - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of mack watson-bush Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:52 PM To: joni Subject: Re: Iraq-NJC > Truly its time for action, while your off at the front I'll wave a flag > and send you some candy bars! Should I say god bless America, or would > that offend After you have defended Saddam Hussein, nothing you could say could offend or affect me. And that is definitely enough said. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:38:03 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Iraq-NJC I'll give you a clue. I love > Saddam Hussein, I send him chemicals and I have a big Iraqi flag waving > in the front yard. - -no kidding. everyone can see that. you wrote it. Come by and see if you are half a man... - -wow. time warp. junior high school. Doesn't quite jibe with your earlier peace and love mantra does it? its great posting with you so you go ahead and get the last word in and then you can feel good tonight. enough for me. mack > > 7136 murray park drive > san diego, ca 92119 > > need directions? Call 619 464 7429... or use your gps if the jammers I > sold to my friend Uday will let you! > > LOL > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of mack > watson-bush > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:52 PM > To: joni > Subject: Re: Iraq-NJC > > > Truly its time for action, while your off at the front I'll wave a > flag > > and send you some candy bars! Should I say god bless America, or would > > that offend > > After you have defended Saddam Hussein, nothing you could say could > offend > or affect me. And that is definitely enough said. > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:52:16 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni, then and now "An actress is not expected to continue to play her ingenue roles. I've written roles for myself to grow into gracefully, but there is no 'growing into gracefully' in the pop world." - Joni You all know I love Norma and all, but, this is gibberish. The pop world hasn't shut her out any more than the jazz world hated Mingus. People haven't stopped buying her titles. That's why she has a budget. If the pop world rejected her she COULDN'T hire Wayne and Herbie! How does she figure she's been shut out of the game when she a.) hires most of the London Symphony Orchestra to play in b.) Sir George Martin's room to perform c.) newly scored arrangements fleshed out by world-class cats including d.) Billy Preston, which is e.) presented so opulently that it is obvious that she *GOT* everything she asked for. No, her audience has emphatically not abandoned her. Even the business hasn't abandoned her. She hints at knowing that she's talking smack when she says "I've written roles for myself". That's exactly it. She's re-defining what she wants to give the world. Exactly as she always has. She's making her own rules even now. Let's dial back to the moment after "Ladies Of the Canyon". The world wanted only one thing from her: "Helium Girl, part IV: The Waif Fades Out". She reared back and gave the world, "Blue". Hello? Don't you think that was a departure? Holy cow! I don't know where the self-pity comes from but it certainly does not come from an external reality. What I see is that Joni is semi-retired. That's fine. That's her choice. Wouldn't it be neat to hear her say this? "I'm living proof that sticking to your craft pays off in a long career, ya dig? Keep at it Jewel, Dave Matthews, Tori. You rock. Be your own best critic and for heaven's sake don't pan yourself." For additional clarity, downbeat magazine's Leonard Feather rated "MINGUS" 5 stars out of a possible 5 stars. Read his words: http://www.jonimitchell.com/downbeat79.html Lama, setting the record straight 'cause I'm just the cowboy to do it, that's all. Shucks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:53:27 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Iraq-NJC Do you perceive some kind of threat in my invite? I LOVE YOU MACK THE KNIFE do you mind if I love another as well and if he happens to be Iraqi? GOD BLESS YOU SWEET MACKIE! And by the way I FEEL GOOD ALL THE TIME, look good too! come over and see. Letting me feel good doesn't quite jibe with your Gestapo torture mantra does it? ROFL - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of mack watson-bush Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:38 PM To: joni Subject: Re: Iraq-NJC I'll give you a clue. I love > Saddam Hussein, I send him chemicals and I have a big Iraqi flag waving > in the front yard. - -no kidding. everyone can see that. you wrote it. Come by and see if you are half a man... - -wow. time warp. junior high school. Doesn't quite jibe with your earlier peace and love mantra does it? its great posting with you so you go ahead and get the last word in and then you can feel good tonight. enough for me. mack > > 7136 murray park drive > san diego, ca 92119 > > need directions? Call 619 464 7429... or use your gps if the jammers I > sold to my friend Uday will let you! > > LOL > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of mack > watson-bush > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:52 PM > To: joni > Subject: Re: Iraq-NJC > > > Truly its time for action, while your off at the front I'll wave a > flag > > and send you some candy bars! Should I say god bless America, or would > > that offend > > After you have defended Saddam Hussein, nothing you could say could > offend > or affect me. And that is definitely enough said. > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:15:07 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: Joni, then and now Jim the cowboy wrote: "You all know I love Norma and all, but, this is gibberish. The pop world hasn't shut her out any more than the jazz world hated Mingus. People haven't stopped buying her titles." It depends on what you consider to be "the pop world." Joni made the comments in reference to radio play, of which she gets none. In that sense, the pop world has indeed shunned her. Where is she on the dial? Nowhere. If you're a current radio junkie Joni Mitchell may as well be dead and burried. She certainly doesn't pander to the radio formula and never has. She is rich because she's earned her stripes simply by being true to her muse for decades and because, after years of being ignored (80s) it suddenly became cool to like Joni Mitchell again. "Why are Jewel and Alanis so popular?" the little ones asked and some bright individuals told them about Joni, heaping awards on her in the process. "Oh yeah, Joni Mitchell. She still around? Give her an award." Joni is now an industry and she can do whatever the hell she wants regardless of record sales, which I would argue are not really that strong compared to the megastars of our time who are far less talented. I think I read somewhere that she averages about 500,000 copies per album. Not a grand slam by today's pop standards. She can pay for Herbie and Wayne and the London Symphony Orchestra because some of the biggest names in music adore her work and are vocal about it. If the record company didn't give her the money today they'd look like total idiots: squanderlust fools! Celine Dion, on the other hand, can pay for her $95 million stage at Caesar's Palace and her 60 dancers because she has an ad for Dodge/Chrysler in her new CD along with a sampler of her self-titled upcoming perfume. Frankly I like it when Joni whines. I know she knows herself well enough to know that her instincts are probably accurate - so I trust her laments. She's the one collecting the pay stubs, so ultimately only she knows whether there is room for complaint or not. Of late it seems there has been. I trust her. - -Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:12:17 -0500 From: Kay Ashley Subject: Apologies re: list protocols Hey All, Sorry about the the use of VLJC instead of NJC. I'm a digest person, and an inconsistent reader/participant thereof, and I had forgotten that there are some of you who actually filter according to the NJC. So, my bad. :-( I hope that Bob Sartorius can forgive me, since my mind is indeed muddled by my own brand of propaganda. ;-) I meant to thank the person who posted the "Blood Money" article -- that was great! Later, Kay "The first job of a citizen is to keep your mouth open." ~ G|nter Grass ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:24:09 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Iraq-NJC And as we wind on down the road Our shadows taller than our souls There walks a lady we all know Who shines white light and wants to show How everything still turns to gold And if you listen very hard The tune will come to you at last When all are one and one is all To be a rock and not to roll I felt so good I thought I'd let Led Zep have the last word! But wait! They say every man must need protection They say every man must fall Still I swear I see my reflection Someplace so high above that wall I see my light go shining From the west down to the east Any day now Any way now I shall be released I had to give the last word to Bobby Dylan cause that was the best idea you had. Lay siege to the world with the power of our music. The strength of our love. The celebration of life, song, dance, share the fruit of the vine, break bread together in the true spirit of love and understanding. IMAGINE! You and I are walking past here Having lost our way We don't count our paper We are giving it away Yeah giving it away Let it stay forever now Richard Butler, The Psychedelic Furs, "Forever Now" - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of theodore Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:53 PM To: 'mack watson-bush' Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Iraq-NJC Do you perceive some kind of threat in my invite? I LOVE YOU MACK THE KNIFE do you mind if I love another as well and if he happens to be Iraqi? GOD BLESS YOU SWEET MACKIE! And by the way I FEEL GOOD ALL THE TIME, look good too! come over and see. Letting me feel good doesn't quite jibe with your Gestapo torture mantra does it? ROFL - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of mack watson-bush Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:38 PM To: joni Subject: Re: Iraq-NJC I'll give you a clue. I love > Saddam Hussein, I send him chemicals and I have a big Iraqi flag waving > in the front yard. - -no kidding. everyone can see that. you wrote it. Come by and see if you are half a man... - -wow. time warp. junior high school. Doesn't quite jibe with your earlier peace and love mantra does it? its great posting with you so you go ahead and get the last word in and then you can feel good tonight. enough for me. mack > > 7136 murray park drive > san diego, ca 92119 > > need directions? Call 619 464 7429... or use your gps if the jammers I > sold to my friend Uday will let you! > > LOL > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of mack > watson-bush > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:52 PM > To: joni > Subject: Re: Iraq-NJC > > > Truly its time for action, while your off at the front I'll wave a > flag > > and send you some candy bars! Should I say god bless America, or would > > that offend > > After you have defended Saddam Hussein, nothing you could say could > offend > or affect me. And that is definitely enough said. > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:35:13 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni Special: WEDNESDAY NIGHT !! In the USA, Joni's being recognized as an "American Master" on Wednesday night. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:39:42 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Iraq-NJC Hah! At least we're laughing together! I think I'm starting to grow on you! - -----Original Message----- From: mack watson-bush [mailto:courtandspark@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:35 PM To: theodore Subject: Re: Iraq-NJC now that is really lol. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "theodore" To: Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 10:24 PM Subject: RE: Iraq-NJC > And as we wind on down the road > Our shadows taller than our souls > There walks a lady we all know > Who shines white light and wants to show > How everything still turns to gold > And if you listen very hard > The tune will come to you at last > When all are one and one is all > To be a rock and not to roll > > I felt so good I thought I'd let Led Zep have the last word! But wait! > > They say every man must need protection > They say every man must fall > Still I swear I see my reflection > Someplace so high above that wall > I see my light go shining > From the west down to the east > Any day now > Any way now > I shall be released > > I had to give the last word to Bobby Dylan cause that was the best idea > you had. Lay siege to the world with the power of our music. The > strength of our love. The celebration of life, song, dance, share the > fruit of the vine, break bread together in the true spirit of love and > understanding. IMAGINE! > > You and I are walking past here > Having lost our way > We don't count our paper > We are giving it away > Yeah giving it away > Let it stay forever now > > Richard Butler, The Psychedelic Furs, "Forever Now" > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of > theodore > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:53 PM > To: 'mack watson-bush' > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Iraq-NJC > > Do you perceive some kind of threat in my invite? I LOVE YOU MACK THE > KNIFE do you mind if I love another as well and if he happens to be > Iraqi? GOD BLESS YOU SWEET MACKIE! And by the way I FEEL GOOD ALL THE > TIME, look good too! come over and see. Letting me feel good doesn't > quite jibe with your Gestapo torture mantra does it? ROFL > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of mack > watson-bush > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:38 PM > To: joni > Subject: Re: Iraq-NJC > > I'll give you a clue. I love > > Saddam Hussein, I send him chemicals and I have a big Iraqi flag > waving > > in the front yard. > > -no kidding. everyone can see that. you wrote it. > > Come by and see if you are half a man... > > -wow. time warp. junior high school. Doesn't quite jibe with your > earlier peace and love mantra does it? its great posting with you so > you go > ahead and get the last word in and then you can feel good tonight. > enough > for me. > > mack > > > > > > 7136 murray park drive > > san diego, ca 92119 > > > > need directions? Call 619 464 7429... or use your gps if the jammers I > > sold to my friend Uday will let you! > > > > LOL > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of > mack > > watson-bush > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:52 PM > > To: joni > > Subject: Re: Iraq-NJC > > > > > Truly its time for action, while your off at the front I'll wave a > > flag > > > and send you some candy bars! Should I say god bless America, or > would > > > that offend > > > > After you have defended Saddam Hussein, nothing you could say could > > offend > > or affect me. And that is definitely enough said. > > > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:33:58 -0500 From: Kay Ashley Subject: Sisotowbell Lane Mia, I love your interpretation of this song -- I had never thought of it that way! I guess I had always had some interpretation similar to Little Bird's. But, as is the case with so many Joni tunes, more than one interpretation works, even in combination with each other. The innovative guitar playing is also so great -- the hammer-on bar chord followed by the syncopated finger picking is onomatopoeic in a way -- doesn't it seem like the slightly disconnected motion of one's body while in a rocking chair? As in, your own rocking rhythm is slightly out of sync with the actual rocking of the chair? Anyway, that groove she gets reminds me of that. Maybe representational is a better word than onomatopoeic for what I'm trying to say, but hey, at this point I'm just so scared shitless about getting the JC vs NJC thing right, I ain't too worried about it!! :-D Bob Murphy, I have only one thing to say to you: MORNING HAS BROKEN!! JUST LIKE THE FIRST MORNING!! HIT IT!!! 1-2-3-4!! ;-) Kay "The first job of a citizen is to keep your mouth open." ~ G|nter Grass ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:46:19 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Joni Special: WEDNESDAY NIGHT !! I dunno. All of the pre-press says that PBS is going to show the full 2 hours in one straight shot. 1. If that's so, then the PBS version has more than two subtitles. In the PR, my local affiliate calls Wednesday night's show, 'Joni Mitchell: Chords of Inquiry'. But then in the schedule they call it 'American Masters: Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart and Mind "Joni Mitchell: Chords of Inquiry"' and show what appears to show a 75minute slot on Wednesday night. That doesn't match the PR for the USA version (a single two-hour block) nor does it support 2 one-hour segments that Canada got. The official PBS site is, as Catherine noted long ago, kinda messy. 2. At the "top" of the section on the "American Masters" series, it refers to "Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart and Mind", without the "A". 3. Yet when you click on the link for the show, it takes you to just a one paragraph bio entitled "Joni Mitchell". 4. 1-3 don't mention a time slot. What a mess. 5. For those keeping score, two 1-hour segments were aired on Canada's CBC as yet another title, "JONI MITCHELL: A WOMAN OF HEART AND MIND". 6. Deja vu: This is just like tape tree #4, eh Chuck? I hereby nominate a new name for this latest attempt to shoot herself in the foot: "Working Title: A Work In Progress-- 'I'll Choose So Many Subtitles No One Will Know If It's New Or Old': The USA Version: A Combination of The Previously Unnamed, Canadian Initial Installment and the Canadian Sequel: A Prequel to the DVD Release Which Will Have Additional Footage And Will Obviously Need Yet Another Equally Confusing, Yet Artfully Pretentious Title Too- "The More Subtitles On It The Better: No, Really, It Was Made For Extra Subtitles, This Special" Is this more of Joan fixation on frames? Joni's 5th period: "Frames and Subtitles". Vince's arrangements fit right in. Hmmmm. This is intended as humor. Lama PS, Please don't write me and tell me have my medication adjusted. (That part was not a joke.) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #205 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)