From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #202 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, March 30 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 202 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: apology NJC ["chuty001" ] Re: apology NJC [vince ] teddy says njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: NJC Support for war ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #201 ["Eryl B Davies" ] RE: teddy says njc ["theodore" ] Wake Up and Smell the Burning Oil (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:04:07 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: apology NJC We'll have a public flogging at dawn out on the front lawn. I'll bring the whip this time I promise. a curve- You were pretty quick to jump on that Jays report yesterday Vince. I got a feeling this could get fun around May19-22 Best of luck. splitter-What do you think of Janet's Got till it's Gone? I could do without the Q-tip but I like the rest of it. You know it took allot more effort to type that than it appears.:-) Forkball- Got to go. Sorry to cram all this in one post. On a damn schedule till Monday. Do this do that do this. I hate schedules. If I were meant to be on time I would have been born with a watch attached. Chuck Chuck - ----- Original Message ----- From: "vince" Cc: "joni" Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 2:46 PM Subject: apology > damn my last post should have been NJC and I am very sorry - I typed > NJC, it didn't take (damn keyboard) and I apologize everyone > > vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:36:49 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: apology NJC chuty001 wrote: >We'll have a public flogging at dawn out on the front lawn. I'll bring the >whip this time I promise. > If you promise, I'll be there! > > a curve- You were pretty quick to jump on that Jays report yesterday Vince. >I got a feeling this could get fun around May19-22 Best of luck. > Baseball is life. Of course I jumped on that! One week from this very moment I will be home from my second game of the weekend - going for all three games -I need baseball bad. I never trash talk sports so I will say good luck to the BJs (who thought up a name with the initials BJ?) but why do you only play 3 here when we have to play 4 in Toronto the week later? We have 7 games in 11 days - broken up only by one of 3, count them, 3 exciting weekend series with the Tigers. (Who makes out the schedules?) But the All Star game is coming - for my 2nd ticket, I will select the winner of the go to the All Star game with Vince from all entries written on $100 bills mailed to me by June 30... I am going to have haul ass to get from Eminem in Sunday in Detroit to the home run derby on Monday in Chicago but at least I94 runs straight between the two - will be just like when i drove from Chicago to Detroit to see Joni on two consecutive days in 2000. And along the way I will protest Americans wasting gasoline for foolish pleasure trips... Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:35:53 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: teddy says njc Theodore Roosevelt said: "Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiently or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:35:59 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: NJC Support for war there is a boycott on for the 2 biggest gas companys but its more about high gas prices especially here in ca...i think the 2 companys are exxon & mobile? > Ps. Its interesting to me in this anti-war campaign no one has suggested > boycotting gasoline. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 03:44:17 +0100 From: "Eryl B Davies" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #201 dsk wrote: >So, obviously, to keep our (the US) lifestyle going, we need A LOT of >oil, as cheaply as possible. How much research into renewable energy sources would the cost of this war have covered? Eryl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:53:36 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: teddy says njc I second that remark... Ted - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 6:36 PM To: Joni@Smoe. Org Subject: teddy says njc Theodore Roosevelt said: "Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiently or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:50:44 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Wake Up and Smell the Burning Oil (njc) >Blood Money By William Rivers Pitt< you can visit the website of PNAC here http://www.newamericancentury.org/ & everyone involved is listed under the principles page frontline did a story that included this info http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/iraq/ & the paper that was leaked in the early 90s as far as habeas corpus goes, here's a chilling interview with a lawyer concerning this being denied a client who was accused of being a terrorist: http://www.thislife.org/ the story is called Secret Government, 1/10/03, Episode 229 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 02:02:06 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 30 1974: Joni performed at the Dallas Memorial Auditorium. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 02:02:06 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 30 On March 30 the following items were published: 1988: "Mitchell keeps door open to posibility of tour" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=745 2000: "Her Back Pages" - Hotpress (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=503 2000: "Mitchell's jazz plaintively mimes arc of modern love" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=482 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:29:20 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Iraq-ish NJC Lucy Hone wrote: >Ruth, Hi. your post in Digest 199 has this quote at the end of it > > >"When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a >European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is >violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. >When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it >breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not >belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or >partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind. > >- --J. Krishnamurti, Freedom from the Known, pp.51-52 " > >This is an interesting quote..but ....... what about women who seek to >understand violence? The universal club of parenthood? being a JMDL member >as opposed to or in addition to a JOan BAez-er or a James TAylor-er (he does >mention "anything else") > >YOu make valid and interesting points throughout your post (but who am I to >judge.. I thought so anyway).... I feel, however that Krishnamurti makes a >general sweeping assumption that people necessarily consciously define them >selves by the religion they follow and/or the nationality they are. He >appears, however to dissallow for the unity of the human kind for the common >good, the unity of groups like the Red Cross, Medcins sans Frontieres..the >large national and international charities who deny no-one in need their >succour and assistance. All these people who work in such capacities have >passionate belief in doing good in areas where wrong has been done.... They >identify with that cause of neutral good.... not zealous conversion to >"their side" but necessary, non-political, non-judgemental good.... > > > I don't think he meant being members of a list like ours or orgs like the Red Cross.(although interstingly some Joni fans do appear to separate themselves from non Joni fans and appear to set themselves 'above' by their insistance that anyone who dislikes her work either doesn't 'get' her or is too thick to undertsand her. THAT is a form of violence). People do define themselves by their relgion/nation/colour/race /gender/etc and it is divisive,i think. A wonderful book about this is FRIENDS AND ENEMIES by Dorothy Rowe(Dr), published only last year I think. ( THE REAL MEANING OF MONEY is another good one.) Now she really does explain why the personal is politcal and why we cannot be anything but subjective not matter our protestations of objectivity.She also explains our need for enemies, and how we can overcome that need. She explains why we many of us define ourselves by nation, religion etc. One of the saving graces of my own childhood, never being in one place for more than 18mths or so, is that I have no feeling of patriotism, national pride, statehood etc(it also makes me feel rootless-nowhere is 'home'-but kmaybe that isa good thing) bw colin ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #202 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)