From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #199 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 28 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 199 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Where's my fecking medication??? NJC (LONG) [colin ] collateral damage VLJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Where's my fecking medication??? NJC (LONG) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Rachel Z story from 3/28 Newark Star-Ledger [Deb Messling ] banned tunes NJC ["chuty001" ] Re: jonifest logo - a favour - NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: jonifest logo - a favour [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: banned tunes NJC ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: banned tunes NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: banned tunes NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] re: Dark Cafe Days Amongst Us... and the "shadows and light" biography ["] Re: banned tunes NJC ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] NJC Ute Lemper ["Gillian Apter" ] Re: NJC Ute Lemper [] Re: banned tunes NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: song of the day (njc) [magsnbrei ] Iraq-sjc (little) [Ruth Davis ] JoniFest [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: NJC Ute Lemper, now BMR & cell phones [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Iraq-NJC ["blonde in the bleachers" ] Happy Belated Bday's NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Iraq-sjc (little) ["theodore" ] RE: JoniFest ["Maggie McNally" ] Re: JoniFest (njc) [Susan Guzzi ] OT: ISO John van Tiel [Patti Witten ] Re: Dark Cafe Days Amongst Us... and the "shadows and light" biography [R] Re: NJC Ute Lemper, now BMR & cell phones [Rdalindley@aol.com] Song to a Seagull [Little Bird ] Re: collateral damage NJC ["mike pritchard" ] On separating oneself (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Song to a Seagull [Doug ] Re: banned tunes NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: NJC Ute Lemper and SARS [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC Ute Lemper and SARS ["kakki" ] Re: NJC SARS [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 07:59:58 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Where's my fecking medication??? NJC (LONG) Hi Paz-it is a shame about the personal attacks. one of my great lessons learned from the JMDL is to let these things roll off me-they no longer have any affect on me. that is quite something. Now, since you like to hear about it, I slept on the couacj last night. Napoli, who is heavily pregnant, was moping around and whimpering so i thought it best to saty with her. this will be her first litter. The scan at 4 weeks showed 7-8puppies. Shre is fit to burst. She is onyl 8 weeks today and they normally go 9 weeks but with large littters they get bron early because there is no room left for them to grow inside. Still, it could be a couple of days or it could be today-one never relaly know. so it is satying close tohome till theyare born now. Napoli should not have been having puppies now. 8 weeks ago we were having our kitchen fllor tiled(this to stop the dogs ripping up the flooring!). I had told the workemn that if they needed toleave the kitchen, to call me, as I could make sure Harvey(8mths old then) was not able to follow. Well, Harcy is only a small pup, the builddeer thought he knew nbetter and was quicker than Harvey. He opened the baby gate and Hravey was out like a shot, in Napoli within second, shot his load, and these puppies are the result. Am looking forward to seeing what they are like. harvey is 2nd gen of my breeding and Napoli the btich i imported from Denmark. bw colin who is managing to keep his thinking positive and not letitng bush/blair fuck his life up. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 01:28:51 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: RE: Where's my fecking medication??? NJC (LONG) pick up the phone & call your sponsor or go to a meeting... >Everyone making light of heroin addiction, I know its a joke, I was there at that point and ooooooh I want to shoot up soooooooo bad sometimes ... really I just fall to my knees. Oh, to get that insanely lovely rush< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:58:28 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: jonifest logo - a favour can anyone provide me with an image file for Joni's signature or point me where i can find one? thanks les the london lurker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:04:32 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: collateral damage VLJC Too busy working to keep in touch but wanted to offer some thoughts. I am thinking about making a mix with some of my favourite songs but I am always willing to listen to your suggestions for other songs. Here is what I have so far. Joni Mitchell - Collateral Damage Parties, Collateral Damage of Heart and Mind Curtis Mayfield - Collateral Damage Get Ready Barbra Streisand - Collateral Damage who need Collateral Damage Robert Plamer - Every kind of Collateral Damage Doors - Collateral Damage are Strange Brad Mehldau - The Collateral Damage who live on the hill Pat Metheny - Old Collateral Damage Who - The Collateral Damage are alright Bowie - Collateral Damage keep swinging Pet shop Boys - West End Collateral Damage "We, the Collateral Damage of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union... and you know there may be more... mike in bcn PS strange to see Bush Snr talking about barcelona yesterday... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 06:57:57 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Where's my fecking medication??? NJC (LONG) In a message dated 3/27/03 11:15:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, michael@thepazgroup.com writes: > Bottom > line is, if you are gonna get in on these discussions, keep it to topic and > not take a swat at someone cause you are different. > I concur here...agree to disagree Kakki & Paz, I feckin love you guys!!! Rosalita ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 07:09:37 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Rachel Z story from 3/28 Newark Star-Ledger Rachel Z recalls influence of Joni Mitchell melodies Friday, March 28, 2003 BY ZAN STEWART Star-Ledger Staff "They freaked out. They knew the songs, they liked the arrangements, they stayed with us when we improvised. And I saw I could connect with people using the door of familiarity." Keyboardist Rachel Z, talking on her cell phone as she walks around her Manhattan SoHo neighborhood, is recalling the audience's reaction at London's Barbican Theatre last May, where she opened for singer Dee Dee Bridgewater before a crowd of 4,000. There, she and her trio gave the first live performance of jazz versions of Joni Mitchell tunes, songs she had just recorded and which were released last fall on the album, "Moon at the Window" (Tone Center). Since that debut, Z, a jazz-leaning artist who spans genres, having played with both jazz giant Wayne Shorter and progressive rocker Peter Gabriel, has found herself drawing a new audience. For example, at her performance at Trumpets in Montclair earlier this month, Susie Chankalian, one of Z's friends from the fifth grade at River View School in Denville, came by with her 12-year-old daughter, who read that Z was performing Mitchell material. "Susie sent me an e-mail, saying that they both really liked the arrangements," says Z, who was born Rachel Nicolazzo in Manhattan and moved to Denville at age 5. "These are people who wouldn't usually listen to jazz." Z, who shortened her name in the'80s when she was a member of the first-rate jazz/fusion band Steps Ahead, performs with her trio Tuesday and Wednesday at Sweet Rhythm in Greenwich Village. Teaming with bassist Nicki Parrott and drummer Bobbie Rae, Z will offer such well-known Mitchell tunes as "Big Yellow Taxi," "Both Sides Now" and "Help Me" and less-familiar ones like "Lakota" and "Chinese Man" during the first set. Then she'll break off into what she describes as "new standards" for the second, playing numbers by Gabriel, Lennon-McCartney and others. The Mitchell treatments have a melodic context for the audience and still offer the leader and her partners lots to dig into. For example, "All I Want" is done up-tempo. "That way, we get what we need in terms of a challenging improvised section and the people get a song they know and like which means something in their lives," Z says. "Ladies Man" is another number that was originally slow and is, in Z's hands, done fast. "Big Yellow Taxi" is given a buoyant treatment, says Z, even though the lyric is fairly dark -- "They paved paradise/Put up a parking lot." "Ultimately, the music is light- hearted, so we kept it more straight but with a jazz groove," Z says. "Chinese Cafi" is delivered slowly and emotively, as is perhaps Mitchell's best-known number, "Both Sides Now." The latter song was Z's introduction to Mitchell, when, in kindergarten at River View School, her teacher, Mrs. Windish, had the children sing it. "She also put on pageants twice a year, like doing 'Oklahoma,' getting little kids to sing and dance," recalls Z, who is a graduate of the New England Conservatory of Music. "She was really hip." Later, when Z was a student at Morris Knolls High School, she performed Mitchell's tunes at Tavern On The Green and The Greenhouse in Morristown with her friend, Lynne Harrison (now a holistic health specialist who lives in Verona). Z came to see the deeper meanings in the music. "Joni'd get through a relationship, wasn't afraid to reveal her pain and go on," Z says. "I felt I could do the same." The idea for the Mitchell project came after Z's previous album, 2000's "On the Milky Way Express," which is all Shorter tunes. "I wanted to do another concept album," says Z, who had met Mitchell briefly in the mid-'90s on a visit to her Bel Air, Calif., home with the saxophonist-composer. "And as I was in a singer/ songwriter phase myself, I also have a rock band called Peace Box, I started listening to Joni's 'Blue' again and realized I knew all these songs. It became clear what a big influence she'd been in my life." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 05:19:52 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: Misheard lyrics Misheard: "Sharon I left my man at a North Dakota junk shop" Actual: "Sharon I left my man at a North Dakota junction" From: "Song For Sharon" Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:44:08 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: banned tunes NJC Just saw this list of songs Toronto's CHUM am banned from their play list yesterday. WHAT THEY BANNED: Soldier Boy THE SHIRELLES Shotgun JR.WALKER & THE ALL STARS The Universal Soldier DONOVAN Bang Bang (My Baby Shot Me Down) CHER Abraham, Martin And John DION Revolution THE BEATLES Street Fighting Man THE ROLLING STONES In The Year 2525 ZAGER AND EVANS Give Peace A Chance JOHN LENNON One Tin Soldier THE ORIGINAL CASTE When I Die BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS The Cruel War SUGAR AND SPICE War EDWIN STARR Live And Let Die PAUL MCCARTNEY The Night Chicago Died PAPER LACE Billy, Don't Be A Hero BO DONALDSON AND THE HEYWOODS Fighting On The Side Of Love THE T.H.P. ORCHESTRA The Dream Never Dies THE COOPER BROTHERSWHAT THEY BANNED: Soldier Boy THE SHIRELLES Shotgun JR.WALKER & THE ALL STARS The Universal Soldier DONOVAN Bang Bang (My Baby Shot Me Down) CHER Abraham, Martin And John DION Revolution THE BEATLES Street Fighting Man THE ROLLING STONES In The Year 2525 ZAGER AND EVANS Give Peace A Chance JOHN LENNON One Tin Soldier THE ORIGINAL CASTE When I Die BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS The Cruel War SUGAR AND SPICE War EDWIN STARR Live And Let Die PAUL MCCARTNEY The Night Chicago Died PAPER LACE Billy, Don't Be A Hero BO DONALDSON AND THE HEYWOODS Fighting On The Side Of Love THE T.H.P. ORCHESTRA The Dream Never Dies THE COOPER BROTHERS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:27:40 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: jonifest logo - a favour - NJC Les writes: << can anyone provide me with an image file for Joni's signature or point me where i can find one? >> New checking account, Les? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:27:41 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: jonifest logo - a favour In a message dated 3/28/2003 4:58:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk writes: > can anyone provide me with an image file for Joni's > signature or point me > where i can find one? Hi Les! There are usually always signed items on ebay...here's a copy of Court & Spark with a pretty legible sig: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2519023295&category=1593 Bob NP: Joni, "Big Yellow Taxi" Boston 2/19/76 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 9:28:19 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: banned tunes NJC They hated some of them so much they even banned them twice! :~) Victor NP: Accidental Angel > Just saw this list of songs Toronto's CHUM am banned from their play list > yesterday. > - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album, Parsonage Lane, coming this spring! Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:31:01 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: banned tunes NJC In a message dated 3/28/2003 8:42:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, chuty001@hotmail.com writes: > The Night Chicago Died PAPER LACE > > Billy, Don't Be A Hero BO DONALDSON AND THE HEYWOODS > These two songs should be banned from radio forever :~) Oh Chuck, you're Blue Jays have been about 50/50 in spring training down here. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:43:46 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: banned tunes NJC Jimmy writes: << Oh Chuck, you're Blue Jays have been about 50/50 in spring training down here. >> Oh, Scooter . . . please keep your hands off those poor baseball boys! They're trying to get ready for the season and they would all be better off if they can remain strangers to your charms. Your pal, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:58:53 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Dark Cafe Days Amongst Us... and the "shadows and light" biography I suppose I will have to make a trip down to Chicago to see this. Not sure when yet, as I'm not very familiar with Chicago. Is there a website for the venue and/or performers with details such as club location? Anybody else interesting in tagging along? Also, Rob - Some of the small music clubs I frequent here in Milwaukee are The Reed Street Station, Linnemans, the Globe, Points East Pub, The Estate (jazz), and the Cactus Club (heavier rock sound). Also, the Coffee House has some good music, but because it is located in an old church basement in the Marquette University area, there is no alcohol served because of the student population. Great acoustic music there though! For those of you who are wondering when Karen O'brien's "Shadows and Light" biography of Joni will be available in the U.S., apparently it is already. I had a Barnes and Noble gift card, and "pre-ordered" the book on their website. At first I received an e-mail stating it would be held back until the end of April...now I just received another e-mail stating they just shipped it! From "Moon at the Window": Misheard: "At least they left the moon behind the pines" Actual: "At least they left the moon behind the blind" Mia _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:29:49 -0500 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Re: banned tunes NJC chuty the Toronto Blue Jay said banned songs include: > The Night Chicago Died PAPER LACE > > Billy, Don't Be A Hero BO DONALDSON AND THE HEYWOODS Jimmy replies: These two songs should be banned from radio forever :~) Vince comments: agreed and sad that Jimmy beat me to that comment Jimmy further opines: Oh Chuck, you're Blue Jays have been about 50/50 in spring training down here. Vince just has to add: I love Chuck and I know he is a Blue Jay fan but be forewarned: this is a White Sox year ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:40:35 +0100 From: "Gillian Apter" Subject: NJC Ute Lemper ROB wrote: "On Ute Lemper: I was totally blown away by her flawless performance. . . . A very talented woman. Not only does she have a successful singing career, but she's an accomplished actress as well. According to her biography, she's covered some Piaf. Would love to hear her sing again." I totally agree, Rob.Ute Lemper is absoutley amazing. I've seen her twice already, once in Madrid, and once, just recently in Barcelona, where she played with a chamber orquestra backing her with the most amazing arrangements on Piaf, Weill, Nick Cage, and Jaques Brel songs. Her "Ne me quittes pas" with the orquestra brought tears to eyes. And the venue (The Palau de la Musica) was outstanding, ... the acoustics. Lemper is a star. I would have loved to have seen her in the West End "Chicago" musical, where she played Velma Kelly (I think it was Velma she played) for 2 years. I caught that London stage musical, but she had left the cast by then. Not just to see and hear her perform, but to catch those legs without an evening gown on. They go all the way up to her neck...! Peace gill (in Madrid) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 00:08:59 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: NJC Ute Lemper Count me in as a fan of this performance artist whose vocal range equals her range in acting. Saw a video years ago when she performed onstage the songs she did in her CITY OF STRANGERS albu,m. She was, what, 9-months pregnant and her dynamism and dedication to performance easily eclipsed those with more "able" bodies. I have almost all of her albums ever since I bought CITY OF STRANGERS in 1996. She can inhabit Piaf, Dietrich and a range of woman roles known to the world. There is nothing this woman cannot do. She is up there in my books. And her singing style is also a category in itself. She usually starts slow to give you a glimpse of the songs' innate beauty then spiral into a crescendo that is part theatre, part Diamanda Galas and then bring you to the song's meanings subtly without you nowing why you understand the song even if its sung in a dead language. That's why I am excited to listen to her Joni songs. I always pictured her singing BLue Motel Room, but I can imagine how she can inhabit the other songs. Joseph in Manila (getting scared of the public announcements in the radio about SARS but quite amused when a CDC doctor said: "forget the scud missiles and smart bombs in Iraq, when a SARS victim coughs, we are all dead!") > > I totally agree, Rob.Ute Lemper is absoutley amazing. I've seen her > twice already, once in Madrid, and once, just recently in Barcelona, > where she played with a chamber orquestra backing her with the most > amazing arrangements on Piaf, Weill, Nick Cage, and Jaques Brel songs. > Her "Ne me quittes pas" with the orquestra brought tears to eyes. And > the venue (The Palau de la Musica) was outstanding, ... the acoustics. > > Lemper is a star. I would have loved to have seen her in the West End > "Chicago" musical, where she played Velma Kelly (I think it was Velma > she played) for 2 years. I caught that London stage musical, but she had > left the cast by then. Not just to see and hear her perform, but to > catch those legs without an evening gown on. They go all the way up to > her neck...! > > Peace > > gill (in Madrid) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:39:48 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: banned tunes NJC In a message dated 3/28/2003 10:30:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: > Vince just has to add: I love Chuck and I know he is a Blue > Jay fan but be forewarned: this is a White Sox year > Vince, your White Sox are doing really well in spring training...........but that doesn't mean anything. All those guys are just enjoying the sun, playing ball wearing nothing but Speedo's with their protection cup :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:57:08 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: song of the day (njc) Anne, I love this idea... and here's mine.... Forgiven, by Deb Talan. yes i know, i've mentioned her before...however, now that Ive got the CD... all the more reason for me to spread the word. She says she is influenced by Jonatha Brooke and Shawn Colvin and she's even got a song on this album about Amelia...so I can only guess that she is a Joni fan as well. Deb is brilliant and soulful singer/songwriter and she has a fine and tender way about her. I understand she's now living in west mass. so i am sure the folks up your way can see her in performance sometime. you can get Something Burning on CD Baby for a great price. love, mags. You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:18:41 GMT From: Ruth Davis Subject: Iraq-sjc (little) While some of the discussion is focusing on Iraq, I'd like to share the following with you all. I worked Joni in at the end, although I had to alter her lyric slightly: ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE WAR This war sets a dangerous precedent. Iraq was not behind 9/11. We have no reason to believe there is an Al Qaeda link to Saddam Hussein. While Saddam is a brutal dictator, others exist in the world today. Will we go to war to depose all of them? You dont just march into a sovereign nation, no matter how corrupt, and overthrow its government. That is for the people of that country to do on their own, if they can. The potential backlash of a war with Iraq is a very real threat. Iraq, or groups sympathetic to Iraq, could easily initiate a retaliatory attack either against our allies in the Gulf region, or else here in the U.S. Who knows how many terrorists remain embedded in the U.S. Or, Iraq could sell its remaining chemical and biological weapons to various rogue terrorist groups. We have lost the support of many of our allies  France, Germany, etc. We are tarnishing the already weakened status of the UN. We are provoking France, Germany and Russia to struggle to assert themselves to keep us in check. Our image of fairness, of upholding international law, is tarnished as well. We are also refusing to face the real major cause of tension in the Middle East, namely, the Israeli/Palestinian situation. Fighting this war will be costly. The $75 billion Bush asked Congress for is just the first installment. Our economy is already weak now. The war will be a constant drain on our resources. That is exactly the thing that will please Osama bin Laden (remember him?): A constant drip, drip, drip of our resources dragging us down until we all go down the drain. Certainly, wherever he is, he must be pleased that we have launched our war against Iraq. Occupying and reforming Iraq, presuming we win, will be even more expensive than the war itself. Our presence in the region will be a constant thorn in the side of all the other Arab nations, who will be angered by our arrogance, interference and pride in believing we can dictate to another country the shape their government should take. You cant take democracy and shove it down peoples throats like a pill. Plus, democracy here in the U.S. is being eroded now. For additional study, check out this website: www.911pi.com ******************************************************************* When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind. - --J. Krishnamurti, Freedom from the Known, pp.51-52 Like a barbed wire fence, strung tight, strung tense, every notion we subscribe to, every pretense, is just a Borderline -- Joni Mitchell One love, one heart, lets get together and well feel all right. --Bob Marley Ruth in Richmond ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:40:17 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: JoniFest It's getting warmer out. Do you know what that means? It's time to really, really start making your plans to come to JoniFest. (My apologies for no NJC, but I'd consider this Joni Content.) It will be the time of your life. REALLY! And, selfishly, I want to see all my friends from past Fests AND meet as many of you as possible in the lovely Catskill Mountains. just think... lazy summer afternoon... sipping wine coolers or martinis by the pool... listening to some Joni as done by our many talented JMDLers what could be better? looking forward to seeing you there! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:42:44 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Ute Lemper, now BMR & cell phones In a message dated 3/28/2003 11:08:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, jpalis@kssp.upd.edu.ph writes: > That's why I am excited to listen to her Joni songs. I always pictured her > singing BLue Motel Room, but I can imagine how she can > inhabit the other > songs. One of my disappointments with Wall to Wall (and there were NOT many) was that there was NO "Blue Motel Room". It was scheduled to be performed by Bebel Gilberto, but alas she did not perform, so NO BMR, oh woe is me! Early on in the day, there were a couple of times that audience cell phones went off, much to the dismay of everybody. Morley used it to great effect, after she sang "River" with it's lines "I made my baby say goodbye", and heard the cell phone she said "Maybe that's him!" which of course got a cheer from the crowd. Lauren Flanigan then made a comment that if anyone's cell phone went off they would have to get on stage & perform. I was tempted to grab a ringing cell phone so I could hop up onstage and do "Blue Motel Room"! :~) Bob NP: Joni, "A Chair In The Sky" Hollywood, CA 6/15/79 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:52:02 -0500 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Re: Iraq-NJC You can guess they didn't help, but you can't be sure. >From: Ruth Davis >Reply-To: Ruth Davis >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Iraq-sjc (little) >Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:18:41 GMT > >While some of the discussion is focusing on Iraq, I'd like to share the following with you all. I worked Joni in at the end, although I had to alter her lyric slightly: > >ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE WAR >This war sets a dangerous precedent. Iraq was not behind 9/11. We have no reason to believe there is an Al Qaeda link to Saddam Hussein. While Saddam is a brutal dictator, others exist in the world today. Will we go to war to depose all of them? You dont just march into a sovereign nation, no matter how corrupt, and overthrow its government. That is for the people of that country to do on their own, if they can. > >The potential backlash of a war with Iraq is a very real threat. Iraq, or groups sympathetic to Iraq, could easily initiate a retaliatory attack either against our allies in the Gulf region, or else here in the U.S. Who knows how many terrorists remain embedded in the U.S. Or, Iraq could sell its remaining chemical and biological weapons to various rogue terrorist groups. > >We have lost the support of many of our allies  France, Germany, etc. We are tarnishing the already weakened status of the UN. We are provoking France, Germany and Russia to struggle to assert themselves to keep us in check. Our image of fairness, of upholding international law, is tarnished as well. We are also refusing to face the real major cause of tension in the Middle East, namely, the Israeli/Palestinian situation. > >Fighting this war will be costly. The $75 billion Bush asked Congress for is just the first installment. Our economy is already weak now. The war will be a constant drain on our resources. That is exactly the thing that will please Osama bin Laden (remember him?): A constant drip, drip, drip of our resources dragging us down until we all go down the drain. Certainly, wherever he is, he must be pleased that we have launched our war against Iraq. > >Occupying and reforming Iraq, presuming we win, will be even more expensive than the war itself. Our presence in the region will be a constant thorn in the side of all the other Arab nations, who will be angered by our arrogance, interference and pride in believing we can dictate to another country the shape their government should take. You cant take democracy and shove it down peoples throats like a pill. Plus, democracy here in the U.S. is being eroded now. > >For additional study, check out this website: www.911pi.com >******************************************************************* >When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind. >--J. Krishnamurti, Freedom from the Known, pp.51-52 > >Like a barbed wire fence, strung tight, strung tense, every notion we subscribe to, every pretense, is just a Borderline > -- Joni Mitchell > >One love, one heart, lets get together and well feel all right. > --Bob Marley > > >Ruth in Richmond - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:02:56 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Iraq-NJC I've heard bin-laden does not like saddam. Iran and Syria are deemed bigger terrorism threats. Even if iraq was directly responsible for 9/11. I do not believe war is the answer. Violence is a cycle. To be the moral leaders of the world we need to be just that. As far as I can tell bush has made us all terrorists and murderers. I don't believe in the death penalty either for the same reason. Two wrongs don't make it right. I think that if one of those people that died on 9/11 could come back they would say "we've got to have peace." Love, Ted - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of blonde in the bleachers Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:52 AM To: lacyslvs@juno.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Iraq-NJC You can guess they didn't help, but you can't be sure. >From: Ruth Davis >Reply-To: Ruth Davis >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Iraq-sjc (little) >Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:18:41 GMT > >While some of the discussion is focusing on Iraq, I'd like to share the following with you all. I worked Joni in at the end, although I had to alter her lyric slightly: > >ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE WAR >This war sets a dangerous precedent. Iraq was not behind 9/11. We have no reason to believe there is an Al Qaeda link to Saddam Hussein. While Saddam is a brutal dictator, others exist in the world today. Will we go to war to depose all of them? You dont just march into a sovereign nation, no matter how corrupt, and overthrow its government. That is for the people of that country to do on their own, if they can. > >The potential backlash of a war with Iraq is a very real threat. Iraq, or groups sympathetic to Iraq, could easily initiate a retaliatory attack either against our allies in the Gulf region, or else here in the U.S. Who knows how many terrorists remain embedded in the U.S. Or, Iraq could sell its remaining chemical and biological weapons to various rogue terrorist groups. > >We have lost the support of many of our allies  France, Germany, etc. We are tarnishing the already weakened status of the UN. We are provoking France, Germany and Russia to struggle to assert themselves to keep us in check. Our image of fairness, of upholding international law, is tarnished as well. We are also refusing to face the real major cause of tension in the Middle East, namely, the Israeli/Palestinian situation. > >Fighting this war will be costly. The $75 billion Bush asked Congress for is just the first installment. Our economy is already weak now. The war will be a constant drain on our resources. That is exactly the thing that will please Osama bin Laden (remember him?): A constant drip, drip, drip of our resources dragging us down until we all go down the drain. Certainly, wherever he is, he must be pleased that we have launched our war against Iraq. > >Occupying and reforming Iraq, presuming we win, will be even more expensive than the war itself. Our presence in the region will be a constant thorn in the side of all the other Arab nations, who will be angered by our arrogance, interference and pride in believing we can dictate to another country the shape their government should take. You cant take democracy and shove it down peoples throats like a pill. Plus, democracy here in the U.S. is being eroded now. > >For additional study, check out this website: www.911pi.com >******************************************************************* >When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind. >--J. Krishnamurti, Freedom from the Known, pp.51-52 > >Like a barbed wire fence, strung tight, strung tense, every notion we subscribe to, every pretense, is just a Borderline > -- Joni Mitchell > >One love, one heart, lets get together and well feel all right. > --Bob Marley > > >Ruth in Richmond - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:01:35 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Happy Belated Bday's NJC Happy Birthdays to Suze & Evian, may your days be merry &... oops wrong holiday, have a great celebration!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:07:38 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Iraq-sjc (little) When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind. - --J. Krishnamurti, Freedom from the Known, pp.51-52 Like a barbed wire fence, strung tight, strung tense, every notion we subscribe to, every pretense, is just a Borderline -- Joni Mitchell One love, one heart, lets get together and well feel all right. --Bob Marley and the people in your neighborhood, would if they only could, meet and shake the other's hand, work together for the good of the land, and, say we got to have peace, to keep the world alive, with our voice the world knows there's no choice, we've got to have peace. - -- Curtis Mayfield are we going to commit our genocide before you check out your mind? - --Curtis Mayfield Ruth in Richmond ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:10:40 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: JoniFest Hey Anne, you forgot "...buying raffle tickets to support JM.com" in this email! You're forgiven. love, Maggie -----Original Message----- From: anne@sandstrom.com [mailto:anne@sandstrom.com] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:40 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: JoniFest It's getting warmer out. Do you know what that means? It's time to really, really start making your plans to come to JoniFest. (My apologies for no NJC, but I'd consider this Joni Content.) It will be the time of your life. REALLY! And, selfishly, I want to see all my friends from past Fests AND meet as many of you as possible in the lovely Catskill Mountains. just think... lazy summer afternoon... sipping wine coolers or martinis by the pool... listening to some Joni as done by our many talented JMDLers what could be better? looking forward to seeing you there! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:50:01 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: JoniFest (njc) What kind of Freak Fest is this ... some potsmoking, free lovin, old hippies' convention? Haven't you all grown up yet!??? Trying to relive your youth by sitting around singing Kumbaya?! You are/were all too stoned, too old to remember Woodstock, so what - you're trying to recreate it every year now ... Is that it? Sounds like a great idea! I'm in! Peace, Susan - --- anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > It's getting warmer out. Do you know what that means? > It's time to really, really start making your plans to > come to JoniFest. (My apologies for no NJC, but I'd > consider this Joni Content.) > > It will be the time of your life. REALLY! > > And, selfishly, I want to see all my friends from past > Fests AND meet as many of you as possible in the lovely > Catskill Mountains. > > just think... > > lazy summer afternoon... > sipping wine coolers or martinis by the pool... > listening to some Joni as done by our many talented > JMDLers > > what could be better? > > looking forward to seeing you there! > > lots of love > Anne Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:09:56 -0500 From: Patti Witten Subject: OT: ISO John van Tiel Sorry for the OT use of the list, but I've lost track of Uncle John and I was wondering if any of you have found him. I haven't been keeping up with the lists, so there may have been news that I missed. John, are you out there, or just "out there"? Thanks - -- Patti http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:58:35 EST From: Rdalindley@aol.com Subject: Re: Dark Cafe Days Amongst Us... and the "shadows and light" biography We are performing tonight FRIDAY @ 10:30 and then next month Sundays @ 9:00 The website for the club is davenportspianobar.com We're Foiled Again - check us out The song list hits four decades of her music from "The Gallery" to "Sunny Sunday" and all of the classics you love like "Last Time I Saw Richard" and "Help Me." We'd love to have some Joni freaks there! Rob - in the blue TV screen light ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:05:02 EST From: Rdalindley@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Ute Lemper, now BMR & cell phones Well then YOU should come see "Dark Cafe Days!" You'll be treated to a great version of Blue Motel Room - and then we segue right into "See You Sometime" - - looking at "both sides" (bad pun) of being in a motel/hotel. Too bad you don't live in Chicago - you could come tonight! Rob - in the blue tv screen light ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:57:01 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Song to a Seagull What a beautiful experience it was to listen to Song To A Seagull at full volume on this bright spring day! I had, previously, not really given that album too much attention but something about the swirly, colourful drawings on the cover lured me in for a closer look. I was stilled by it. I was absolutely moved by its purity. Joni's voice is in its prime here - that unetched, sterling silver quality that she became famous for. Granted, the production of the album is a bit hissy (and I know that Joni and Mr. Crosby know that) but it still shines and radiates with beauty. I think David Crosby described listening to the album as a "poetic experience" in the "Life & Times" bio and he was so right. It's poetic lyrically but also musically: The simple but elegant arrangements of Cactus Tree, I Had a King and The Dawntreader, the playful piano on Night in the City and the meandering guitar work on Sisotowbell Lane. Wow! It's a gorgeous album. I have been submerged in Joni's post '74 work for so long that I had forgotten about her first forays into recording and I was so pleased this afternoon to hear the youthful wisdom of the early Joni shining on this album. - -Andrew PS: What does Sisotowbell stand for? I know it's in O'Brien's bio, but I don't feel like looking it up. Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 23:13:50 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: collateral damage NJC In response to my 'collateral damage' post, Mark129 wrote, >>Hello, Not funny and not appropriate now so shut up and understand that war is hell. later, mark<< >>not funny<< it was not meant to be funny. >>not appropriate now>> I disagree; now more appropriate than ever. >>so shut up and understand that war is hell<< Thank you for a) insulting me, b) being condescending, and c) denying my inalienable right to free speech. mike in barcelona. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:25:32 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: On separating oneself (NJC) > When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. When I was in the Air Force, I had to check off a box on a personnel form to indicate my race. There was a box marked "Other" with a space next to it, so I checked that and filled in "Human." Unfortunately, the AF's computers couldn't cope with that so I ended up being classified as Caucasian anyway. But I TRIED!! : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:41:20 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull From the WMMR interview: So I've done this sort of Norman Rockwell near high school portrait of myself, and I'm losing interest in it very quickly and thinking -- wishing that I could run back to my colored ink and washes, things like the last album cover, which is the kind of thing I like to do. That's the style that's -- in a way that's the style that the POSALL and all these drawings I told you about are written. And I like to do drawings and then sort of like mythical drawing and then figure out what it is, like write a poem after I've done the drawing. It was from the drawings that I got the idea -- I wrote the sentence "perhaps our souls are little ladies" and realized that it spelled POSALL. And then I realized that you could make just wonderful words by making sentences, you know, by raising them that way. "Sisotowbell Lane" means "somehow in spite of trouble ours will be everlasting love." And I just took a thought and then kept working it until the vowels made a nice-sounding word, you know. Doug - who's still looking for the HDCD vaersion of Song To A Seagull Little Bird wrote: >What a beautiful experience it was to listen to Song >To A Seagull at full volume on this bright spring day! > > >I had, previously, not really given that album too >much attention but something about the swirly, >colourful drawings on the cover lured me in for a >closer look. > >I was stilled by it. I was absolutely moved by its >purity. Joni's voice is in its prime here - that >unetched, sterling silver quality that she became >famous for. Granted, the production of the album is a >bit hissy (and I know that Joni and Mr. Crosby know >that) but it still shines and radiates with beauty. > >I think David Crosby described listening to the album >as a "poetic experience" in the "Life & Times" bio and >he was so right. It's poetic lyrically but also >musically: The simple but elegant arrangements of >Cactus Tree, I Had a King and The Dawntreader, the >playful piano on Night in the City and the meandering >guitar work on Sisotowbell Lane. Wow! It's a gorgeous >album. > >I have been submerged in Joni's post '74 work for so >long that I had forgotten about her first forays into >recording and I was so pleased this afternoon to hear >the youthful wisdom of the early Joni shining on this >album. > >-Andrew > >PS: What does Sisotowbell stand for? I know it's in >O'Brien's bio, but I don't feel like looking it up. >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! >http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:53:06 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: banned tunes NJC In a message dated 28/03/2003 13:42:37 GMT Standard Time, chuty001@hotmail.com writes: > Just saw this list of songs Toronto's CHUM am banned from their play list > yesterday. > > Viva free speech and freedom of expression! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:19:50 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Ute Lemper and SARS --- jpalis@kssp.upd.edu.ph wrote: > I always pictured her [Ute Lemper] > singing BLue Motel Room, but I can imagine how she > can inhabit the other > songs. Yes! That would be truly amazing! Big Ute Lemper fan here. > Joseph in Manila > (getting scared of the public announcements in the > radio about SARS but > quite amused when a CDC doctor said: "forget the > scud missiles and smart > bombs in Iraq, when a SARS victim coughs, we are all > dead!") I've heard about nothing but SARS for the last week. Apparently Toronto is Pariah Town now. You've got some people who won't go to Chinese restaurants because the original case was from China, and it was (apparently) brought back to Canada by a family who had just come back from China. I've heard all sorts of paranoid ideas about it - it's the terrorists who started it; or it's the Americans because they're pissed off with us over Iraq. My daughter is convinced she's going to get it - and yet she's gone to a movie with her friends, where people will be coughing and sneezing all over the place. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:49:55 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Ute Lemper and SARS Catherine wrote: > I've heard all sorts of paranoid ideas about it - it's the terrorists who started it; > or it's the Americans because they're pissed off with > us over Iraq. Oh dear - sounds like some are starting to get a bit crazed over it all. I was reading today about the quarantines in Toronto. It started in China and spread to Hong Kong, Vietnam and Singapore. Then it came to the U.S. and Canada around the same time. People in the U.S are just as scared about it. I got even more concerned after hearing announcements at work today that one of our secretaries died suddenly yesterday and a lawyer's wife also died suddenly of pneumonia Wednesday. I'm flying north tonight and was half joking to a co-worker of wanting to get a surgical mask for the flight. She said she just happened to have one in her car and outfitted me! The health organizations are working day and night to figure it out. I read it may be a horse flu that has crossed species. Also heard that it is decreasing in virulence as it spreads. Be careful out there everyone. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:51:05 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC SARS --- kakki wrote: > Oh dear - sounds like some are starting to get a > bit crazed over it all. I > was reading today about the quarantines in Toronto. > It started in China and > spread to Hong Kong, Vietnam and Singapore. Then it > came to the U.S. and > Canada around the same time. People in the U.S are > just as scared about it. > I got even more concerned after hearing > announcements at work today that one > of our secretaries died suddenly yesterday and a > lawyer's wife also died > suddenly of pneumonia Wednesday. I'm flying north > tonight and was half > joking to a co-worker of wanting to get a surgical > mask for the flight. She > said she just happened to have one in her car and > outfitted me! The health > organizations are working day and night to figure it > out. I read it may be > a horse flu that has crossed species. Also heard > that it is decreasing in > virulence as it spreads. Be careful out there > everyone. The cases here now are either stable or improving, so things look like they're getting better, and they're trying to ensure it's contained. The people who think it might be an American plot obviously don't pay attention to the news (like yeah, it makes a lot of sense. Infect someone in China and then make sure they're in an elevator with some people who are visiting from Canada and are going back there really soon? And make sure you infect some Americans too, just to throw people off the track. OK... If they could do that, they could have sent Bruce Willis into Iraq to take out Saddam.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #199 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)