From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #197 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 27 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 197 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Michael Moore [njc] [Richard Goldman ] Re: Kakki bashing njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] re-writing joni ["robin mortlock" ] Compassion NJC [colin ] Re: Compassion NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: re-writing joni [Catherine McKay ] Thursday Night at Jonifest [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] WAR NJC, lucy's two pennyworth ["Lucy Hone" ] ANNOUNCING.....the Jonifest 2003 LOGO CONTEST!!! [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Review of W2W - New York Times, 3/27 [Deb Messling ] GEorge butsch and mr BLEEEAAAHHH NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: re-writing joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Woodstock in the aisles - what happened to this tribute cd? plus wall to wall commentary [] Re: Kakki bashing njc ["mack watson-bush" ] RE: war songs for profit NJC ["theodore" ] Re: war songs for profit NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Kakki bashing njc ["theodore" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #196 [MARBOLI79@aol.com] Re: war songs for profit NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] joni was a skater, wasn't she? [twoshoes@sasktel.net] Misheard lyrics [Little Bird ] Re: Misheard lyrics [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: joni was a skater, wasn't she? [Little Bird ] RE: Misheard lyrics ["theodore" ] Re: WAR NJC, lucy's two pennyworth [colin ] Dark Cafe Days and more [Rdalindley@aol.com] RE: WAR NJC, lucy's two pennyworth ["theodore" ] War NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: **SPAM** NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] how do you find comfort these days? njc ["ron" ] Re: WAR NJC, lucy's two pennyworth [colin ] John Cleese article (NJC) ["Suze Cameron" ] Taipei, Taiwan? (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Do I want an iPod (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] song of the day (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: John Cleese article (NJC) ["kerry" ] How to cheer oneself up njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Happy Belated Bday's NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Happy Belated Bday's NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: WAR NJC, lucy's two pennyworth ["theodore" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 00:16:59 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Michael Moore [njc] For those of you who might want to see and watch , this is the Pressroom Interview Backstage at the Oscars that Michale Moore did, it's 12 minutes long, and well worth the watching: http://mfile.akamai.com/8629/asf/clips.download.akamia.com/8629/DocumentaryFeature_300k.asx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:43:13 -0500 From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Kakki bashing njc Gillian wrote: << Who is Kakki to gauge how much someone else should enjoy another artist's work and/or how loudly they should clap? >> To which Kakki replied << What's ironic is that I thought I'd conveyed my extremely mixed emotions over the whole situation and did state I didn't know what people should have done regarding their applause. >> To which I can only add "hear hear!" You DID convey your ambivalence and seemed to me to go out of your way to stress that you *weren't* decreeing what people should have done. As I'm sure you're aware Kakki, I disagree with you pretty comprehensively about most things political. Despite, or maybe because of that, I want to say that I totally support you on this issue, in the light of this unseemly sniping, although I'm not sure two people counts as "Kakki bashing" (and I know it wasn't you who used that phrase)- I'm glad to see that several people share this point of view. I also agree with you that Ric owes you an apology. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:23:06 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: re-writing joni This is all about misheard lyrics that you think sound better than the intended verse: Refuge of the Roads "I met a friend of spirit, he drank and womanised" Sex Kills "There's a hostile sun beating down now, on the massiveness within" Anymore?.....i am curious. Robin - Ireland - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:40:36 +0000 From: colin Subject: Compassion NJC Mytake on compssion has nothing much to do with udnrstanding what people do-the why's and wherefore's-it just has to do with feeling comapssion for people who do terrible things-there but for the grace of God go i type of feeling. Having seen and experienced what can happen to the human soul/psych, i cannot help but feel sorrow for such people-yes, like Hussin, Hitler, Manson, Dahmer, the Wests etc. And of course those they harmed. One can feel compassion for both the victim and the victimiser. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:56:53 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Compassion NJC --- colin wrote: > > > Mytake on compssion has nothing much to do with > udnrstanding what people > do-the why's and wherefore's-it just has to do with > feeling comapssion > for people who do terrible things-there but for the > grace of God go i > type of feeling. To me, it's pretty much the same thing. First I try to understand why someone might have done something terrible. I can sometimes understand that, if I had been pushed a bit harder, I could have ended up doing something pretty terrible. (In some cases, maybe I should have!) If I can't figure it out, I come to the conclusion they're "just nuts" (one of my mother's favourite expressions for people who did things that she thought were crazy, often things that weren't terrible at all, but just out of line with the way she thought things should be)and they can't help it. Sometimes I can figure it out, but they're still "just nuts". Either way, there but for fortune go you and I. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:59:32 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: re-writing joni --- robin mortlock wrote: > This is all about misheard lyrics that you think > sound better than the > intended verse: > > Refuge of the Roads > > "I met a friend of spirit, he drank and womanised" > > Sex Kills > > "There's a hostile sun beating down now, on the > massiveness within" > > Anymore?.....i am curious. D'oh! You mean those aren't the right words? I think I need to find a large-print version of Joni's lyrics and possibly a hearing aid. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:05:46 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Thursday Night at Jonifest Hi Jonifest 2003 attendees and potential attendees! If you are planning on attending the Thursday Night festivities, please indicate that on your online form so I can start to get an idea of numbers. Thursday night is a wonderful opportunity for people to settle in to Full Moon, epecially those coming from a distance. It's a chance to get to know people and play music in a little bit more intimate setting as well. Please remember to check off what extra meals you will partaking in so I can get the money sorted out. A reminder to register/send a deposit in soon if you want to be guaranteed a bed! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:12:44 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: WAR NJC, lucy's two pennyworth Powerful stuff Debra, in Digest 196. What war we wage (and I use "we" here as a general word before the "count me outs" get worried) continues long after the battle guns have ceased their hymn to destruction. The memory outlasts the kant and rhetoric of the temporary gods elected to think and act for our countries. The USA's madman and his UK puppet will be tomorrows heroes or villains depending on what side you take. The feelings voiced by parents over this war will trail down through history into the children of both sides of this dreadful crime....The argument for and against this war will not cease with the final result. If I may make an analogy you only have to see the post-mortems of large sporting fixtures where the losing side claim the referee was blind or was in the pay of the winning team.... to realise that people take to heart the performance of "their side" and the result that ensues. There are events that are still talked about where only sporting prowess was at stake, not the lives of thousands of people whether military or civilian. The resistance does not surprise me one iota. The Iraqis are a proud nation whose people, by report, are warm and friendly. AS we love our countries so they and will resist the desecration of their homeland. The various militias are going to remain loyal to Saddam for now.. they dare not do otherwise ... but if they do surrender it has to be remembered that they will remain in Iraq after the war is over and will aspire to the positions they held before their leader, and provider of status, was deposed! This is NOT going to ever end..... the civil war that will ensue and the in-fighting that will take place will leave Iraq as an unstable brick in the wall of the gulf. DUBYA and BLAIR are not thinking this through.... They believe their own hubris. They listen to strategists who give the best possible scenario.. This war was going to happen as they have both been told it was going to be easy to win. If you have a chance to go to the Independent website and read the leader and see an account by Robert Fisk it makes very clear the terror that is meted to those who have no choice but to be there and suffer.... this is not a video game where the victims get to live again..... http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=391165 This morning I did watch the broadcast on SKY news... I watched a Paladin missile launcher explode as a shell had stuck in the breach.... BANG!... luckily the 4 guys got out as the fumes from the shell gave them prior warning.... I just wish our leaders were there to experience the fear and the horror of all of this... The treatment of the bodies of our two soldiers was terrible but then in war these things happen. IN the Viet Nam war Vietnamese women had handgrenades inserted into them and then the pins were pulled, in the second world war all sides committed atrocities in varying degrees of depravity and distress. Each of our nations is guilty of these acts and we cannot expect other nations to behave any differently. It is beyond our comprehension, but we are here in our homes with the remote control we are not stretched beyond our spheres of experience. WE can judge we can pontificate, we can crow and whoop for every mangled Iraqi soldier, woman and child or we can bleed and plead for an end to it...as I do so deeply in my heart's core... This is a nasty, dirty, war with no real reason for us to be there. I don't know what the answer to the despot Saddam Hussein is? but I have a horrible feeling this is not going to change things.... I hope it will change things for the oppressed, the tortured, the raped, the maimed, the abused and now bombed..... that is the Iraqi civilian and military personnel personal experience of this "Just" war." It is a catastrophe on all fronts........ I am sure that my view is shared by some, derided by others and of no consequence to the people in power, but it is my view and I am peaceful with that. I have to avoid thinking about the songs that haunt me about this war but "come Away Melinda" by Tim Hardin (I think) is the one song from about 1967 that I remember as being about the aftermath of war. "come away Melinda, come in and close the door, that was just a picture book we had before the war" How many picture books will there be, after this war, that show a previous world now altered by the desecration of humanity on the alter of hegemony and hubris? Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:13:41 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: ANNOUNCING.....the Jonifest 2003 LOGO CONTEST!!! All you creative people out there........get your pens, paper, pencils, watercolors, pastels, scissors, oils, acryllics, crayons, magic markers and other creative implements, and send your entries for the most WONDERFUL logo for Jonifest 2003 to: les@jmdl.com CONTEST RULES: 1) Please no copyrighted pictures/drawings. 2) Please keep the Logo simple for ease of reproduction. 3) It should include the words Jonifest 2003 somewhere in the Logo. Feel free to make up a slogan as well, if the spirit moves you. 4) Prize: My undying gratitude and the ENORMOUS prestige of having your logo used for top secret Jonifest things. As in last year, there will be a wonderful prize as well, to be given to the winner. (To be determined.) 5) All entries must be received by April 28, 2003. Everyone out in JMDL land will have a chance to vote for their favorite logo. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:25:17 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Review of W2W - New York Times, 3/27 March 27, 2003 Artists, Folk to Classical, Interpret Joni Mitchell By BEN RATLIFF After hearing hours of Joni Mitchell's music interpreted by others on Saturday, during Symphony Space's "Wall-to-Wall Joni Mitchell" festival, here's the first thing to be said about interpreting that music: It isn't easy. All those tightly sprung, shifting guitar-based harmonies, under that onrushing voice. All those lyrics, barely transportable to another person's mouth, either for reasons of rhythm or poetic expression. (There are linguistic quips, startling flashes of anger, lines that would be terribly precious coming from a duller person.) Compare it to the past 32 editions of the annual "Wall-to-Wall," a roll call of figures basic to our performance culture, from Bach to Miles Davis to Kurt Weill to George Gershwin. Joni Mitchell is indeed a major composer, worthy of the honor. But that doesn't mean many musicians dare to perform her personal, intransigent work very often. Of the stretches I managed to hear, the best performances were given by folk singers, representing where she originally came from, and jazz performers, representing where she has inevitably been heading. There wasn't much happy medium. Suzzy and Maggie Roche, two-thirds of the folk trio the Roches, have a sensible, unflappable disposition. They didn't seem overwhelmed by the task, even though Suzzy allowed that she hadn't performed a Joni Mitchell song since she was in high school. Martha Wainwright, on the other hand, was super-flappable: here's a good example of a young folk singer, a beneficiary in some sense of Ms. Mitchell's work, yet she had never performed the master's tunes and had only learned "Big Yellow Taxi" earlier that day. (Yes, it's a famous song.) Shaking with nerves  and wearing rain boots on a sunny day, which could have been an indicator of her mood  she got through it by playing only the basic chords and hollering out the lyrics. She forced it to work. And so did Marc Anthony Thompson, bringing two songs from "The Hissing of Summer Lawns" down to their basic essence with voice and guitar. As for jazz, the pianist Fred Hersch came prepared. His solo versions of three songs from the "Blue" album  "My Old Man" (which he has recorded), "All I Want" and "River"  incorporated the melodies into his own solo-piano conception, full of shifts in dynamics and a salting of Monk-style staccato figures among the rich, murmured chords. The saxophonist Greg Osby took two songs from one of Ms. Mitchell's most overlooked records, "Dog Eat Dog," and exploded the chord changes, working through them with the guitarist Mike Moreno. The Mingus Big Band performed some tracks from Ms. Mitchell's collaborative album with Charles Mingus; the baritone singer Andy Bey, escaping her vocal technique entirely, sang "A Chair in the Sky" with his own authority. Don Byron's Music for Six Musicians, with the singer D. K. Dyson, fared less well: their interpretation of an early song, "The Priest," went overboard with Yoruba references in percussion and singing, resulting in a so-so take on Ms. Mitchell by way of a so-so take on Afro-Brazilian music. And the singer Luciana Souza has a voice whose precision can match the younger Ms. Mitchell's, but the rapid rhythm of the words in "All I Want" wiggled away from her. There were cabaret singers (Julian Fleisher), classical-repertory singers (Dana Hanchard, Ute Lemper, Alicia Hall) and former quasi-rock stars (Laurie Anderson, Garland Jeffreys). One strangely memorable tribute came from the singer Theo Bleckmann, who often sings without words, and as if he's from another planet. His arrangements for voice, accordion and drums of songs from the very old "Sisotowbell Lane" to the contemporary "Borderline" were so concentrated that the performance approached a siance. Some people take their Joni seriously; Mr. Bleckmann is one of them. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:35:30 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: GEorge butsch and mr BLEEEAAAHHH NJC Kate I don't know if you have ever seen the film "DARK CRYSTAL" which was a Jim Henson thing...muppet fame guy... but there were these disgusting things called the Skekis who had mean vulture faces and thin lips.... that is what Dubya reminds me and I think our Tony BLEEEAAAAHHHHH is starting to look like bush around the lips too!!! I realise this is bit of a Me too mail but what the hell.... Lucy Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:32:10 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: george butsh NJC does anyone notice how much his lips look like a reptiles? shades of bob murhphy's post...i have a hard time looking at his face when he speaks...i feel sorry for the reptiles to be compared to him... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:58:14 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: re-writing joni In a message dated 3/27/2003 6:23:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, robinjamesmortlock@hotmail.com writes: > Refuge of the Roads > > "I met a friend of spirit, he drank and womanised" But this *IS* the lyric she sings on Hejira. In post-Hejira live performances, and on Travelogue she altered the lyric to "a drunk with sages' eyes". Bob NP: Joni, "For Free" Seattle 3/12/74 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:02:46 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Woodstock in the aisles - what happened to this tribute cd? plus wall to wall commentary In a message dated 3/26/2003 11:11:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, pleader@nyc.rr.com writes: > back to the unreleased tribute, i wonder if elvis costello > put down his > 'edith and ' with the Mingus Big Band? Yes, when he was artist-in-residence at UCLA in 2001, he performed with The Mingus Orchestra and did 'Edith'. That wasn't the only performance, but there were not many. We have an audience recording, not the best quality but better than nothing. In his intro he alluded to the actual studio recording which had been sitting on the shelf for awhile even at that point. Bob, days away from tribute frisbee #39 NP: Joni, "Trouble Child" 3/12/74 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:27:15 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Kakki bashing njc Azeem wrote: . > > As I'm sure you're aware Kakki, I disagree with you pretty comprehensively about most things political. Despite, or maybe because of that, I want to say that I totally support you on this issue, in the light of this unseemly sniping, although I'm not sure two people counts as "Kakki bashing" (and I know it wasn't you who used that phrase) No, that was me. I am not sure just exactly how many it takes to constitute a bash. 3? 12? Webster defines it as -to engage in harsh, accusatory criticism. Sounds like that fits the bill. I often don't agree with Kakki either on politics, although many times I do, but I read each and every post she puts forth here. Why? Because she is informed and makes her points concisely, passionately, and without getting personal, although on occasion she has had to delve into the latter, a bit, when attacked, but more often than not she doesn't even engage in that. It seems as if she and her posts are always held to a different standard than anyone else. I can only surmise it is because of her stances on different subjects that are often at odds with the consensus, here on the JMDL. I appreciate her and her views. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:28:07 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: war songs for profit NJC Just as the road to hell is sometimes paved with good intentions, I think the road to heaven is sometimes paved with bad ones. I guess what I'm trying to say is ganesh contains all qualities, male, female. As far as I can tell he is an elephant person with four arms and the body of a man, he has a lotus ,a flaming heart in one palm, a pomegranate shaped spice box, and a tray of orange colored treats, he likes coconuts and has a legion of rats dressed in black gold trimmed vests who also snack on these orange treats, he has beautiful feminine eyes and a golden crown encrusted with jewels, he winds the universe like a big clock by saying hung mani padme ohm, or some such ... he is a big fat gay four armed pink elephant with a memory as old as time. Does this make sense? ted - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Koko Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:54 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: war songs for profit NJC FWIW, Dylan said that he never bought into the whole protest scene in the 60's. He also said he wrote "Masters of War" because he knew it would sell. Take that for what it is, a quote from Bobby, which are sometimes a telling truth, sometimes a flat lie, but mostly a little bit of both. - --- chuty001 wrote: > IMO If Madonna does a song on the subject and donates every penny to > a worthy > cause, she's still going to reap the profits from the exposure anyway > you come > at it. So where her heart is really makes little difference. There > are far > better ways of helping whatever cause she chooses to support. Most > high > profile people would do it through anonymous donations or allowing > there name > or image to be used. Not trying to use the cause to invigorate a > sagging > career. > > Enough shooting my mouth off for now. > > Chuck > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: FMYFL@aol.com > To: chuty001@hotmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:33 PM > Subject: Re: *****SPAM***** Anti-war/pro-war songs for profit??? > NJC > > > In a message dated 3/26/2003 4:29:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, > chuty001@hotmail.com writes: > > > Isn't that what all wars and popular music are about? > > > Most likely Chuck, but I hope there are some artists who care more > about the > cause than the money. ===== Trade list: http://db.etree.org/koko "I DO know what my songs are about. Oh, some are about four minutes; some are about five. And some, believe it or not, are about eleven or twelve." -- Bob Dylan Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:33:45 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: war songs for profit NJC In a message dated 3/27/2003 8:28:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, theodore@buckfush.org writes: > Does this make sense? Not in the least little bit, but at least you had it marked NJC. Bob NP: Joni, "Same Situation" Ambler, PA 8/22/74 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:39:39 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Kakki bashing njc As someone very new to this list, it really seemed to me that Kakki was just trying to give something to think about. It certainly sparked debate and made me think. I like good cinema but at what price in this instance? I think everyone is off the track a little and the way this whole thing got to people just shows that Kakki was right in bringing this up. It's an issue. I LOVE YOU KAKKI ;0) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of mack watson-bush Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 5:27 AM To: joni Subject: Re: Kakki bashing njc Azeem wrote: . > > As I'm sure you're aware Kakki, I disagree with you pretty comprehensively about most things political. Despite, or maybe because of that, I want to say that I totally support you on this issue, in the light of this unseemly sniping, although I'm not sure two people counts as "Kakki bashing" (and I know it wasn't you who used that phrase) No, that was me. I am not sure just exactly how many it takes to constitute a bash. 3? 12? Webster defines it as -to engage in harsh, accusatory criticism. Sounds like that fits the bill. I often don't agree with Kakki either on politics, although many times I do, but I read each and every post she puts forth here. Why? Because she is informed and makes her points concisely, passionately, and without getting personal, although on occasion she has had to delve into the latter, a bit, when attacked, but more often than not she doesn't even engage in that. It seems as if she and her posts are always held to a different standard than anyone else. I can only surmise it is because of her stances on different subjects that are often at odds with the consensus, here on the JMDL. I appreciate her and her views. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:54:09 EST From: MARBOLI79@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #196 IN MILES OF AISLES, BETWEEN THE SONGS "COLD BLUE STEEL" AND "WOMAN OF HEART AND MIND", SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE TELLS SOMETHING ABOUT MICK JAGGER I THINK THAT MAKES JONI LAUGH WHAT IS IT ? I'M FRENCH AND CAN'T UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING IN ENGLISH THANK YOU ALL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:28:52 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: war songs for profit NJC In a message dated 3/27/2003 8:28:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, theodore@buckfush.org writes: > Does this make sense? > Not to me, but you have a great imagination! And Ted, even though I know what buckfush.org means, every time I see your addy I think of Tina Turner singing "buckfush city limits" :~) Jimmy the spammer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:13:33 -0600 From: twoshoes@sasktel.net Subject: joni was a skater, wasn't she? it's carnival time across the land and i wonder if joni ever participated in them as a child? she must have photo of my sister and I at age 7 and 5 in our carnival gear http://xoetc.antville.org okay okay you can barely see the skates oh, the days way back when when i used to be cute !!! i imagine she might have worn just such a costume as i and lined up against the wall for the obligatory photo op only she probably Enjoyed performing while i never did, never do though i love skating, love singing, love dancing there are so many of you on this list who sing in public i can do it, i have as recently as two years ago (musical theatre) but the only pleasure is in the rehearsals and the after-accolades sad but true i would love to hear how those of you who perform experience it why you do it why you do it why you do it i know joni didn't like performing for huge crowds (she mentions this in the life and times bio) but enjoyed the small venues has anyone heard her say more about this, other than that she started doing it in coffee houses because she needed the money and not because of some inner urge or desire or need? my idea of enjoyable "public" singing is a singalong where everyone sings and their is no audience, or singing harmonies in a closed studio. Kate ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:43:26 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Misheard lyrics My contribution: Misheard: "Hoe-down, in a field in a farmer's grove" Actual: "Motown, in a field in a farmer's grove" From: "Ray's Dad's Cadillac" - -Andrew Yahoo! 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You know, stick your head above the crowd and we'll be glad to lop it off! But something in me made me not like the separation. As the stages got higher and higher, the fickleness of the crowds, suddenly this was being taken seriously and there were critics sitting out there. I disliked the formalization of it as it went to the big stage and this need for perfection. In the coffee houses it was so experimental, so casual, so friendly. I could jump off the stage and sit down with them, stay at people's houses, go out to dinner. There was no inequity. I remember the first night when I heard someone suck in their breath when I went by. And I ran! It filled me so full of adrenaline that I ran for about six blocks in the opposite direction: 'That's Joni Mitchell!!(gasp!)' Boom! I was outta there!" Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:58:24 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: joni was a skater, wasn't she? I never liked big venues cause the lights were too bright. We'd always tell them turn em down. You can't see past the first row. Its hard to tell who's throwing things at you ! Ted - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Little Bird Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:50 AM To: twoshoes@sasktel.net; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: joni was a skater, wasn't she? > i know joni didn't like performing for huge crowds (she mentions this in the life and times bio)but enjoyed the small venues has anyone heard her say more about this, other than that she started doing it in coffee houses because she needed the money and not because of some inner urge or desire or need?> JONI ON THE BIG STAGE: "I never liked the big stage. I liked the coffee houses. I never liked the idea of separating myself from people, or being elevated. Maybe it's Canadian! You know, stick your head above the crowd and we'll be glad to lop it off! But something in me made me not like the separation. As the stages got higher and higher, the fickleness of the crowds, suddenly this was being taken seriously and there were critics sitting out there. I disliked the formalization of it as it went to the big stage and this need for perfection. In the coffee houses it was so experimental, so casual, so friendly. I could jump off the stage and sit down with them, stay at people's houses, go out to dinner. There was no inequity. I remember the first night when I heard someone suck in their breath when I went by. And I ran! It filled me so full of adrenaline that I ran for about six blocks in the opposite direction: 'That's Joni Mitchell!!(gasp!)' Boom! I was outta there!" Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:59:31 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Misheard lyrics - -----Original Message----- From: theodore [mailto:theodore@buckfush.org] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:48 AM To: 'Little Bird' Subject: RE: Misheard lyrics That's funny. When I was a kid I thought the lyric to lucy in the sky with diamonds went "... the girl with colitis go by." Instead of "...the girl with kaleidoscope eyes." My dad had colitis! Ted - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Little Bird Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:43 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Misheard lyrics My contribution: Misheard: "Hoe-down, in a field in a farmer's grove" Actual: "Motown, in a field in a farmer's grove" From: "Ray's Dad's Cadillac" - -Andrew Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:13:20 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: WAR NJC, lucy's two pennyworth Lucy Hone wrote: >Powerful stuff Debra, in Digest 196. > >What war we wage (and I use "we" here as a general word before the "count me >outs" get worried) continues long after the battle guns have ceased their hymn >to destruction. > it is now more than obvious we have been lied to. It is about oil after all, and not about terrorism. it si about gettign rid of Saddam and getting the oil. USA has already stated it will be 'administrating' Iraq once it is over, and NOT the UN. They ahev already takren steps to secure the oil wells. Blair looks a right prat now. And will we profit from it? No. The contracts have already gone to USA companies. And our Chancellor has just given 3 bn pounds for the war effort. Yet peopel are dying on waiting lists for hopital treate,mtn. i still ahev not had my heart test and it will be another 8 weeks at elast before I get it....# And these arseholes clal themselves Xtians? 'many will call me Lord and I will turn away because I will not know them'. It makes me want to shoot the bastards..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:28:38 EST From: Rdalindley@aol.com Subject: Dark Cafe Days and more "And remember Rob mentioned the show being extended and running on Sundays in April. Hmm maybe we'll see Rob and the girls at Jonifest?! Come on ROb get Alyson and Anne to join up! I wonder what Joni would think of the show or shows like this? She would have to feel proud about this sort of tribute and interpretation of her work, dontcha think?" Hopefully Joni would like what we do. I would be nervous as a cat if I had to perform in front of her. I love how nervous everyone on the TNT tribute was - makes me feel a little better. Susan - I think we did get Anne to sign up. She hasn't posted yet - but I think she's reading. "By the way, here's the finished track listing for the ill-fated "A Case of Joni" tribute CD, which was supposed to have been released 3 years ago. " That's funny to me. Foiled Again almost called our Joni tribute "A Case of Joni." Anne and Allison made fun of my idea and then suggested - Big Yellow Joni - or Hissing of the Summer Joni. :/ Glad we went with Dark Cafe Days. On Ute Lemper I was totally blown away by her flawless performance. . . . A very talented woman. Not only does she have a successful singing career, but she's an accomplished > actress as well. According to her biography, she's covered some Piaf. Would > love to hear her sing again. I think she's amazing. I wasn't surprised at all that she was at the tribute. She does such a great job with other people's material. Her Piaf covers are amazing. On one of her latest CDs she did material by Tom Waits, Elvis Costello, Phillip Glass - sadly no Joni on it. Later Rob - in the blue TV screen light ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:29:31 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: WAR NJC, lucy's two pennyworth It has to make you love them even more. After all there is hope for everyone. A slove ship captain wrote the song "amazing grace." Story has it he turned the ship around! Since you mention the new testament, Jesus sought disciples from tax collectors. There is that one guy (Saul, Paul)? who is on the road to kill Jesus and then the scales fall from his eyes. He travels through misery and mishap and then gets the chance to bring the gospel to the Romans. Jesus also says a house divided cannot stand, so you can't both want peace and want to kill these guys. Although I do know how you feel. Ted - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of colin Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:13 AM To: Lucy Hone Cc: dsk11@bellatlantic.net; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: WAR NJC, lucy's two pennyworth Lucy Hone wrote: >Powerful stuff Debra, in Digest 196. > >What war we wage (and I use "we" here as a general word before the "count me >outs" get worried) continues long after the battle guns have ceased their hymn >to destruction. > it is now more than obvious we have been lied to. It is about oil after all, and not about terrorism. it si about gettign rid of Saddam and getting the oil. USA has already stated it will be 'administrating' Iraq once it is over, and NOT the UN. They ahev already takren steps to secure the oil wells. Blair looks a right prat now. And will we profit from it? No. The contracts have already gone to USA companies. And our Chancellor has just given 3 bn pounds for the war effort. Yet peopel are dying on waiting lists for hopital treate,mtn. i still ahev not had my heart test and it will be another 8 weeks at elast before I get it....# And these arseholes clal themselves Xtians? 'many will call me Lord and I will turn away because I will not know them'. It makes me want to shoot the bastards..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:54:13 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: War NJC debra > It's not surprising to me that there's such resistance there. I can't imagine it's all because of loyalty to Saddam. People are protecting their homeland.< i can't watch much of this war on tv but catch a little bit each day- i don't remember the journalist i saw but he spoke of hearing these sentiments from people he'd spoken to- that they felt it was important to defend their land, but they were not in support of saddam...this is something that often gets underestimated or overlooked by those with the big guns...it scares me to hear how they are saying it is not as easy as they thought it would be- i'm sure for anyone who remembers vietnam this brings up horrible deja vu >>And I can't pass the battlefields in Virginia without thinking of how many men suffered and died there. Those huge green fields are so bloody.>> when we were kids, my parents took us around to all those forts & battlefields around the east coast, thinking this was some wonderful history lesson...i hated those trips & always felt some low level of nausea but didn't quite know why consciously... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:11:55 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: **SPAM** NJC i have that same filter on my email & you can adjust it...but from what i've seen, once you have sent something that is spotted as spam, other emails you send automatically get pegged as spam (i think, still trying to figure it out) maybe jimmy should try sending another to see if this theory holds true ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:42:05 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: how do you find comfort these days? njc hi music. more & more i find myself thinking what a wonderful blessing and privilege it is to have so many such beautiful musical artists around. it is just such an amazing art form - the sheer beauty of music as a whole sometimes just moves me to tears. the depth of talent and sensitivity available in music at the moment is just plain incredible. when all the crap about war etc gets to me i just turn up the volume and take refuge.... yeah theres a lot of crap out there. dont listen to it. i also think that there is far more quality music, and far more accessible than has ever been at any time in history till now. ron np - laura nyro - cat song ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:35:41 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: WAR NJC, lucy's two pennyworth theodore wrote: > Jesus also says a house divided >cannot stand, so you can't both want peace and want to kill these guys. > yes i forgot irony is an english thing.... >Although I do know how you feel. >Ted > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of >colin >Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:13 AM >To: Lucy Hone >Cc: dsk11@bellatlantic.net; joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: WAR NJC, lucy's two pennyworth > >Lucy Hone wrote: > > > >>Powerful stuff Debra, in Digest 196. >> >>What war we wage (and I use "we" here as a general word before the >> >> >"count me > > >>outs" get worried) continues long after the battle guns have ceased >> >> >their hymn > > >>to destruction. >> >> >> >it is now more than obvious we have been lied to. It is about oil after >all, and not about terrorism. it si about gettign rid of Saddam and >getting the oil. USA has already stated it will be 'administrating' Iraq > >once it is over, and NOT the UN. They ahev already takren steps to >secure the oil wells. Blair looks a right prat now. And will we profit >from it? No. The contracts have already gone to USA companies. > >And our Chancellor has just given 3 bn pounds for the war effort. Yet >peopel are dying on waiting lists for hopital treate,mtn. i still ahev >not had my heart test and it will be another 8 weeks at elast before I >get it....# >And these arseholes clal themselves Xtians? > >'many will call me Lord and I will turn away because I will not know >them'. > >It makes me want to shoot the bastards..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:54:21 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: John Cleese article (NJC) British Newspaper Article by John Cleese Bitter after being snubbed for membership in the "Axis of Evil", Libya, China, and Syria today announced that they had formed the "Axis of Just as Evil", which they said would be more evil than that stupid Iran-Iraq-North Korea axis President Bush warned of in his State of the Union address. Axis of Evil members, however, immediately dismissed the new Axis as having, for starters, a really dumb name. "Right. They are just as evil, in their dreams!" declared North Korean leader Kim Jong-il. "Everybody knows we're the best evils . . . best at being evil . . ..we're the best." Diplomats from Syria denied they were jealous over being excluded, although they conceded they did ask if they could join the Axis of Evil. "They told us it was full," said Syrian president Bashar al-Assad. "An axis can't have more than three countries", explained Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. "This is not my rule, it's tradition. In World War II you had Germany, Italy, and Japan in the evil Axis. So,you can only have three, and a secret handshake. Ours is wickedly cool." International reaction to Bush's Axis of Evil declaration was swift, as within minutes, France surrendered. Elsewhere, peer-conscious nations rushed to gain triumvirate status in what has become a game of geopolitical chairs. Cuba, Sudan and Serbia announced that they had formed the "Axis of Somewhat Evil", forcing Somalia to join with Uganda and Myanmar in the "Axis of Occasionally Evil", while Bulgaria, Indonesia and Russia established the "Axis of Not So Much Evil Really as Just Generally Disagreeable". With the criteria suddenly expanded and all the desirable clubs filling up, Sierra Leone, El Salvador, and Rwanda applied to be called the "Axis of Countries That Aren't the Worst But Certainly Won't Be Asked to Host the Olympics". Canada, Mexico and Australia formed the "Axis of Nations That Are Actually Quite Nice But Secretly Have Some Nasty Thoughts About America", while Scotland, New Zealand and Spain established the "Axis of Countries That Want Sheep to Wear Lipstick". "That's not a threat, really, just something we like to do", said Scottish Executive First Minister Jack McConnell. While wondering if the other nations of the world weren't perhaps making fun of him, a cautious Bush granted approval for most axis, although he rejected the establishment of the "Axis of Countries Whose Names End in 'guay", accusing one of its members of filing a false application. Officials from Paraguay, Uruguay, and Chadguay denied the charges. Israel, meanwhile, insisted it didn't want to join any Axis, but privately world leaders said that's only because no one asked them. _____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB, POP3, Spam Filtering with LYCOS MAIL PLUS for $19.95/year. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus&ref=lmtplus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:38:12 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Taipei, Taiwan? (NJC) My company's Los Angeles office has a client who has an associate living in Taipei. He needs an apartment in Taipei for about 6 months. Anyone know anyone that can assist with this? (I know it's a long shot, but what better group to ask than y'all?) Thanks in advance! : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:04:32 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Do I want an iPod (njc) I'm sure many of you know LOTS more than I do about this. So, here's what I want. A portable device on which I can store lots (1,000 or more?) songs and have them play back randomly. And I don't want to have to fumble with CDs. So, is it an iPod that I want. Or are there other such devices? Any help as I consider emerging from the stone age would be appreciated. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:09:06 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: song of the day (njc) I'm hoping that others here will join me in this little exercise. I'll start. I'm thinking it would be great to propose a song of the day - something relatively obscure (or at least not mainstream radio) by an artist others may want to check out. So I'm thinking that Lynne Saner's "A Child Once" is a good place to start. (Why do I have a feeling no one has heard this gem?)If you've heard it raise your hand :-) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:22:26 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Re: John Cleese article (NJC) > British Newspaper Article by John Cleese This is too funny! It's the best political article I've read in a long time. Thanks for sharing it. Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:20:14 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: How to cheer oneself up njc Well, having listened to some debate on telly about this wretched war, thus getting fairly depressed and hot under the collar, I decided the only thing to do was put Saint Etienne's singles compilation (Too Young To Die) on the stereo and read one of Nancy Banks-Smith's telly reviews. May sound a little out of whack, but hey, it does the trick for me: watch the grin spread across my face! Short extract from Nancy's piece below, link to the whole thing below that, enjoy it, dear people Much Joni, Azeem in London NP St Etienne - Nothing Can Stop Us << Only Coronation Street (ITV1) among the soaps acknowledged the present unpleasantness, popping it into the pudding like a current currant. Watch out for Shelley, the barmaid at the Rovers, quavering to her betrothed, Peter Barlow: "I've been thinking about this business with Iraq. What if you were called up or something?" Peter, who is upholding the finest traditions of the Royal Navy by promising to marry two women simultaneously, looked, I thought, a little wistful at the prospect of this escape clause. Like a man who finds a file in a wedding cake. >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardianweekly/story/0,12674,922396,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:22:38 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Happy Belated Bday's NJC I'm glad you posted Suze, cause I lost your addy. Everybody wish the lovely, and oh so funny Sue Cameron a HAPPY belated BIRTHDAY!!!! I don't know where that Argentinean BD Fairy is, so please excuse him. Have a great one Suze! and if soon to be jmdl daddy again Rob aka "Evian" Procyk is still around, HAPPY FRICKING BIRTHDAY TO YOU TOO! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:31:26 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Belated Bday's NJC HAPPY BIRTHDAY, SUZE & EVIAN!!!! ROSIE IN NJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:58:39 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: WAR NJC, lucy's two pennyworth I just saw a sign that read "drop bush, not bombs." Right up there with "make wine, not war." - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of colin Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 1:36 PM To: theodore Cc: 'colin'; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: WAR NJC, lucy's two pennyworth theodore wrote: > Jesus also says a house divided >cannot stand, so you can't both want peace and want to kill these guys. > yes i forgot irony is an english thing.... >Although I do know how you feel. >Ted > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of >colin >Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:13 AM >To: Lucy Hone >Cc: dsk11@bellatlantic.net; joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: WAR NJC, lucy's two pennyworth > >Lucy Hone wrote: > > > >>Powerful stuff Debra, in Digest 196. >> >>What war we wage (and I use "we" here as a general word before the >> >> >"count me > > >>outs" get worried) continues long after the battle guns have ceased >> >> >their hymn > > >>to destruction. >> >> >> >it is now more than obvious we have been lied to. It is about oil after >all, and not about terrorism. it si about gettign rid of Saddam and >getting the oil. USA has already stated it will be 'administrating' Iraq > >once it is over, and NOT the UN. They ahev already takren steps to >secure the oil wells. Blair looks a right prat now. And will we profit >from it? No. The contracts have already gone to USA companies. > >And our Chancellor has just given 3 bn pounds for the war effort. Yet >peopel are dying on waiting lists for hopital treate,mtn. i still ahev >not had my heart test and it will be another 8 weeks at elast before I >get it....# >And these arseholes clal themselves Xtians? > >'many will call me Lord and I will turn away because I will not know >them'. > >It makes me want to shoot the bastards..... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #197 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)