From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #195 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 26 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 195 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The Pianist njc ["kakki" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #194 -- WTW [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: oscars njc ["Ross, Les" ] best anti-war songs [Thom Byrd ] Today in History: March 26 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] how do you find comfort these days? njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: The Younger Generation [colin ] re: Dark Cafe Days Amongst Us [Susan Guzzi ] Re: oscars njc [colin ] Re: The Pianist njc [colin ] Mose anti-war [Thomas Ross ] Mose anti-war [Thomas Ross ] Re: (anti)War songs njc ["Yensen, Stephen" ] Re: how do you find comfort these days? njc [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: how do you find comfort these days? njc [Chris Marshall ] Re: oscars njc [Catherine McKay ] Wall to Wall "review" in Village Voice [Deb Messling ] Paul Mc Cartney, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Moore is decidedly less in my book, was " njc MY BOY WON!" [Jerry Not] Re: Wall to Wall "review" in Village Voice [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: how do you find comfort these days? njc ["theodore" ] Re: anti war songs NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: FW: oscars njc [Jerry Notaro ] RE Oscars & Polanski NJC ["Gillian Apter" ] Re: Wall to Wall, Part 7 & last - Whew!! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: RE Oscars & Polanski NJC ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Wall to Wall, Part 7 & last - Whew!! [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: oscars njc [colin ] Re: The Pianist njc [colin ] Re: Paul Mc Cartney, njc [colin ] Re: Moore is decidedly less in my book, was " njc MY BOY WON!" [colin ] anti-war/peace songs suggestions THANKS! NJC [Alison E ] RE: Oscars & Polanski NJC ["Lori Fye" ] george butsh NJC ["ron" ] Re: anti-war/peace songs suggestions THANKS! NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: how do you find comfort these days? njc ["Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: The Pianist njc Azeem wrote: > Well, I saw it today, and all I can say is that Chicago had better be BLOODY > good - damn, I'm going to have to see it now aren't I?! I hope you do and give your impressions here. I still need someone to explain to me further why it was the best picture (despite some very great acting). > The Pianist is a breathtaking film - literally. I'm glad you saw it. It is stunning. Isn't it almost two hours long? I never felt the time and was completely absorbed through to the end. In this case, I was glad it was so long and could tell all of the story. > Polanski deserved the Oscar. Despite my mixed emotions, I totally agree that he did. >Quite what logic dictates that a film can win best adapted screenplay, best direction and best actor and yet > not win best film remains slightly mysterious to me. I think the same old politics ;-( Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:04:37 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #194 -- WTW Bob, I think your reports have been awesome!! I can just picture you sitting there with pen and paper in hand! Me too, thanks to all who reported on the WTW show. Being a total idiot, I planned to listen to it Sunday, but it was on Saturday. If any recording of the thing ever pop up, please, anyone, notify us. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:11:14 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Re: oscars njc ....with apologies for this being rather after the event, but i don't seem to be getting my digests these days. 'ric' wrote "because the well informed kakki, who seems to have a persecution complex a mile wide, " I'm sorry, is there another Kakki posting to this list? Only i don't recognise this as a trait for the Kakki I read. If a point is worth making 'ric', it's worth not making a personal insult out of it, don't you think? .....reading on...something about making moral judgements and using tabloid sources.....no, definitely not the Kakki I read. rgds les the lurker in london ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 23:12:57 -0800 (PST) From: Thom Byrd Subject: best anti-war songs Bobby's john brown~and~masters of war~If I live long enough there are a few fuckers that I would like to piss on their graves~and as I have said before WAARRRRRRRRRRRRRR WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ABSOLUTELY DIDDILY FUCKIN SQUAT Keep your pencil sharp, thom http://thombyrd.tripod.com/index.html Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 02:15:25 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 26 1983: Joni performed in Brussels, Belgium - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:25:55 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: how do you find comfort these days? njc i find myself watching the gameshow network if i can't sleep...late at night they have those old shows like 'to tell the truth' & 'what's my line'...something so comforting about them, escaping back to a relatively more innocent time when it just gets too hard to swallow these current affairs... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:26:43 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Michael Moore njc yes he is very appealing despite his gawky looks. what eyes! vince wrote: > kerry wrote: > >> I haven't heard much about the inappropriateness of Adrien >> Brody's "attack" on Halle Berry. I know he was excited, but that was >> disgusting. >> >> > I would have gladly stood in for Halle Berry and taken the full brunt > of that to spare her... > > Vince > > NP Adrien Brody in my mind ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:27:12 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: The Younger Generation Catherine McKay wrote: >> >> > >Disco wasn't about thinking. It was about dancing. >Even Joni has said, "Fuck it! Let's go dancing." > actually it was about fucking..... > >===== >Catherine >Toronto > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:42:27 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: re: Dark Cafe Days Amongst Us Hi Mia! I had no idea you were so close by and you have no excuse not to get down here for a visit to see the show! Kerry & Steve made it ALL the way from Milwaukee! But yes Rob what are the chances of taking the act on the road? And remember Rob mentioned the show being extended and running on Sundays in April. Hmm maybe we'll see Rob and the girls at Jonifest?! Come on ROb get Alyson and Anne to join up! I wonder what Joni would think of the show or shows like this? She would have to feel proud about this sort of tribute and interpretation of her work, dontcha think? Peace, Susan - --- mia ortlieb wrote: > Hi Rob , > > Welcome to the List! Any chance Dark Cafe Days might make its way up to > Milwaukee? This town is severely Joni-deprived. > > Mia > > NP: Joni and James - California Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:30:25 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: oscars njc >Good point. I don't get it either. If I had done a >crime, I'd rather face the music. > which is why you would be unlikely to commit one. >===== >Catherine >Toronto > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:34:41 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: The Pianist njc I am sure this is an excellent film. However, I will not be going to see it. I have found as I get older, I just cannot tolerate having my emotions stripped in this way. I recall a few years ago saying i wouldn't see Amistad and allowed myself to feel 'guilted' into doing so. i regret it to this day and even as i write this a certian scene is replaying in my head. i won't do this to myself anymore. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 01:50:21 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Mose anti-war Mose Allison (a national treasure: check him out!) from memory: Cryin' Mercy I can't believe the things I'm seeing I wonder 'bout some things I've heard everybody crying mercy when they don't know the meaning of the word A bad enough situation is sure 'nuff getting worse everybody crying justice as long as there's business first straight ahead knock 'em dead give a cheer grab your souvenir people running 'round in circles don't know what they're headed for everybody crying peace on earth just as soon as we win this war . . . TR Tom Ross Mijazi Music (518) 372-2611 http://www.tom.rossweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 01:50:21 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Mose anti-war Mose Allison (a national treasure: check him out!) from memory: Cryin' Mercy I can't believe the things I'm seeing I wonder 'bout some things I've heard everybody crying mercy when they don't know the meaning of the word A bad enough situation is sure 'nuff getting worse everybody crying justice as long as there's business first straight ahead knock 'em dead give a cheer grab your souvenir people running 'round in circles don't know what they're headed for everybody crying peace on earth just as soon as we win this war . . . TR Tom Ross Mijazi Music (518) 372-2611 http://www.tom.rossweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:39:54 +0000 From: "Yensen, Stephen" Subject: Re: (anti)War songs njc You probably know this but Country Joe McDonald has a whole album of war songs - "War, War, War!" Big Steve the Lurker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:47:58 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: how do you find comfort these days? njc In a message dated 3/26/2003 3:24:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > something so comforting about them, escaping back to a relatively > more innocent time Funny, I was just listening to someone talk about how things were back in the fifties. What intrigued me was that apparently, people held their political affiliations as intensely private matters. It was something people didn't discuss in polite conversation. It's kind of like we've gone through a tribal societal change and the pendulum is really at the opposite end now! I think some of that good old politeness sounds sort of comforting... I find comfort in listening to music while driving in the car late at night. i just drive through the back roads in Ohio and listen to music. The other night it was Vaughan Williams, tonight it was The Blue Nile. Also, I have a big old fat cat that i like to talk to before we fall asleep. Her name is Beatrice Louise, and she is incredibly sedate and comforting. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:43:46 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: how do you find comfort these days? njc On Wednesday, Mar 26, 2003, at 08:25 Europe/London, Kate Bennett wrote: > i find myself watching the gameshow network if i can't sleep...late at > night > they have those old shows like 'to tell the truth' & 'what's my > line'...something so comforting about them I take comfort in the people around me, and what they mean to me. I'm blessed with an amazing group of friends, so whenever anything's wrong, I have people to turn to. They in turn know I'm also here... When we're talking late at night, wide awake, I tend to resort to sci-fi or fantasy books. The stories within may be filled with parallel problems to those of our world, but the environment and people are often so completely alien that it's sufficiently escapist to make me forget, for a time, about this world. And then there's music. Spaking a bass guitar along to some driving rock music is always therapeutic, I find. The neighbours might not agree with me, but hey, that's their problem, right? :-) - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:52:54 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Re: Wall to Wall, Part 4 NJC --- Mags N Brei wrote: > or the lard ascending. okay enough already. > off to dreamland. > moogs. Unfortunately, my lard never ascends. It just stays and stays and stays... ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:22:28 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: oscars njc --- colin wrote: > >Good point. I don't get it either. If I had done a > >crime, I'd rather face the music. > > > which is why you would be unlikely to commit one. > It's not as if I haven't thought of it. It would just have to be worth it, and few things are IMO. (Note use of acronymn at end of sentence.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:50:06 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Wall to Wall "review" in Village Voice I haven't read the VV in years, and they are as snide as I remember. How many people realize that Joni has released "boring classical records?" No Regrets, Coyote Symphony Space's Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell event ran from 11 to 11 last Saturday, from the bright Chelsea morning to the night ride home, longer than a Danny Tenaglia DJ set, and because the Voice doesn't pay me by the hour, I don't have an opinion about half of it. Until now, Symphony Space had reserved the "Wall to Wall" treatment for the Bachs and Ellingtons of the world. Mitchell is the first pop songwriter to have her jersey raised to the Space's rafters, but at times, Saturday's ceremony seemed designed to honor her as everything but; representatives from jazz and folk and opera claimed Mitchell's catalog in the name of big-C "culture," a rather blinkered stance to take toward an artist who has worked with Billy Idol and Cheech and Chong, and a thumb of the snoot to those of us who still file her records, even the boring classical ones, under "Rock/M." Performers who chose to navigate the hills and switchbacks of Mitchell's catalog like fans, not curators, fared best. Suzzy Roche introduced "A Case of You" by saying she hadn't sung Joni in public since her seventh-grade talent show, where she placed fourth; when she finished, she stomped her feet in triumph. Greg Tate's Burnt Sugar Chamber Arkestra rendered "The Jungle Line"a Burundi banger from 1975's The Hissing of Summer Lawns, and Joni-fanatic Prince's favoriteas abstruse and barbed as Rammellzee's autograph. And poetry ambassador Bob Holman (backed by poets Jackie Sheeler and Vicki Hudspith, and a three-piece North Jersey alt-rock band) turned 114 of Mitchell's lines into a megamix called "Jonicento," cracking, "By the time we got to Woodstock, they put up a parking lot!" Goofy but sincere, Holman's crew honored Mitchell's oeuvre better than anyone else, treating it like a river of words on which to skate, and staggered off like they'd just split a case of the good stuff. Alex Pappademas - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:58:45 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Paul Mc Cartney, njc Hi all, Saw Paul last night for the opening night of his european tour. I hadn't been too impressed when I saw Wings back in 76 so I wasn't expecting much this time. Fantastic show, magnificent light show and video backup of each theme song. Paul was in rock'n roll shape, overall one of the best concerts I ever attended. Also, the whole Paris crowd spontaneously sang "Give Peace a Chance" in the middle of the show, and at the very end they also sang "We love you, yeah yeah yeah" If any european lister wasn't thinking of going, I'd say it's definitely worth the effort, even if that means scalpering. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:15:17 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Moore is decidedly less in my book, was " njc MY BOY WON!" colin wrote: > > Big busines ahs destroyed small business and communities. Have we let > them? Did we have a choice? Yes. We voted with our pocket books and wallets. Here in the States, and I'm sure it is the same everywhere, whenever the big discount stores open, people flock for the lower prices, leaving the smaller, locally owned shops which give better service and quality at higher prices to shut down. The price we pay, is the price we've paid. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:19:38 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Wall to Wall "review" in Village Voice In a message dated 3/26/2003 7:50:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: > Mitchell is the first pop songwriter This says it all, and totally excuses the guy for his inadequate and innacurate write-up. The only song Joni ever wrote with "pop" intent was "You Turn Me On I'm A Radio". My guess is that he, like most, is grossly undereducated in terms of Joni's catalog, so he tried to put up a smoke screen. Bob NP: Joni, "For The Roses", Philadelphia 3/2/72 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 05:20:38 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: how do you find comfort these days? njc I like to take my dog for walks on the beach. I hunt for shells and sand dollars. A woman I used to know told me there are more stars in the sky then grains of sand on the beach! WOW! Dog beach is right next to the navy installation in Coronado here in san diego. There is guard station at the end of the civilian portion of the beach right on the sand. The jets fly in and land on the airstrip there. I wanted to flip them the bird, but instead I used the old peace sign. I resisted the urge to goosestep and sig heil the guard. I think I'm growing up. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:26 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: how do you find comfort these days? njc i find myself watching the gameshow network if i can't sleep...late at night they have those old shows like 'to tell the truth' & 'what's my line'...something so comforting about them, escaping back to a relatively more innocent time when it just gets too hard to swallow these current affairs... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 05:25:51 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: The Pianist njc I'm single and I don't like going to the movies alone. Such a lonely thing to do by yourself. Also if the characters smoke then I want to go outside and smoke. Weird huh! The Tenant by Polanski is one of my favorite films. In the end the main character dresses as a woman and throws himself off a three story balcony. The first time doesn't kill him so he drags his body, broken and twisted from the fall back up to the top and does it again. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of colin Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:35 AM To: AzeemAK@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: The Pianist njc I am sure this is an excellent film. However, I will not be going to see it. I have found as I get older, I just cannot tolerate having my emotions stripped in this way. I recall a few years ago saying i wouldn't see Amistad and allowed myself to feel 'guilted' into doing so. i regret it to this day and even as i write this a certian scene is replaying in my head. i won't do this to myself anymore. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:41:58 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: anti war songs NJC Oh they do exist. I did a search of the Library of Congress Memory project, which is the greatest digital project in the world, I'm happy to say. A bunch turned up. Two typical songs: THE DOVE OF PEACE. Written by A. ANDERSON, Philadelphia. When the dark cloud of rebellion Enshrouded our land, The war cry resounding, From Georgia to Maine; The Dove of sweet peace, No longer could stay, She spread her bright pinions, "And flew weeping away." The rumbling of chariots, And the cannon's wild roar, Where the war horses are prancing, Or dashing through gore; Ungenial the clime To the Dove of sweet peace, She has fled from our nation Till these tumults shall cease. She has flown to a distance, In quiet to dwell, There weeping and cooing In her quiet lone cell, A waiting the hour, When the rainbow of peace Shall burst the dark cloud, And the war-cry shall cease. When the dark cloud of rebellion Enshrouded our land, And the war-cry resounding, From Georgia to Maine; The Dove of sweet peace, No longer could stay, On her bright golden pinions-- "Flew weeping away." February, 1863. HARRIS, Printer, S. E. corner Fourth and Vine Streets, Philada. Peace. Written by a Fool. [n. p.] [n. d.] A Fool. SHELF LOCATION American Song Sheets, Series 1, Volume 7 LYRICS PEACE. WRITTEN BY A FOOL. AIR--"The American Boy." Peace on earth, good will to men, Our blessed Saviour cried, He agonized upon the cross, And for us all he died. The dogs of war are now let loose, Our country's rent in twain, The life blood of our brethren South, The Northern hands do stain. They ask for nothing but their rights, Which from their fathers came, They wish for to be let alone, Why should their wish be vain. There is some honest, noble hearts, Yet in the Northern land, Who scorn to act a tyrant's part, Or shake the traitor's hand. Then come, let's drop our arms of steel, And be good friends once more, Let's feel the woes that others feel, Love God and him adore. Then should the storm of war arise. Our hearts in anger driven, We'll lift on high our tearful eyes, And beg to be forgiven. Jerry FMYFL@aol.com wrote: >Bob wrote: > > > >>The reason I asked Alison about bluegrass-type music is that I thought there >> >>might be some Civil War era anti-war songs I don't know about. The only WWI >> >>and WWII songs I could think of were all pretty much pro-war, or at least >>about missing home or a soldier . . . but I am sure there's at least one >>anti-war song for every war. >> >> > >I hope Ali comes up with something. I did some searches and couldn't come up >with any anti civil war songs. They were more one sided, north against the >south, slavery vs. anti slavery type songs. As for WWI and WWII anti war >songs, the only thing I found was a song called "I Didn't Raise My Boy to Be >a Soldier" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:44:06 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: FW: oscars njc theodore wrote: >Something about throwing the first stone. Repulsion is another film by >Polanski that is great! > And sadly, overlooked. With all the publicity he has been receiving they rarely mention this masterpiece. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:54:16 +0100 From: "Gillian Apter" Subject: RE Oscars & Polanski NJC KAKKI WROTE: "Reading it now has an impact and seeing the wild cheering at the Oscars really appalled me. I don't know what the group should have done at the Oscars. I'm not saying they should have booed him or sat on their hands, but I think they took it just a bit over the top to the point of repulsiveness IMO." They were obviously expressing what they thought about his film and his other work, his ART. Who is Kakki to gauge how much someone else should enjoy another artist's work and/or how loudly they should clap? His past behaviour with the 13 yr. girl CANNOT and should never be excused, but it has been said by quite a few on the list already, ART is one thing, the person is the other. gill (in madrid) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:31:25 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Wall to Wall, Part 7 & last - Whew!! In a message dated 3/25/03 11:25:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > Ute Lemper - Black Crow, Last Chance Lost, Love: Ute was backed by acoustic > guitar, bass and percussion. She made some extreme facial contortions when > dhe sang but she sounded great. Black Crow started off very slowly, then > she > kicked it in and the Crow was flyin! Last Chance Lost was beautifully done, > > Ute's vocal perhaps even more emotive than Joni's own on TI. I couldn't > help > but watch the guitarist try to negotiate what looked like some incredibly > difficult chord changes. She closed out with a fairly straightforward and > very pretty "Love > > I was totally blown away by her flawless performance. She did these three > songs justice. I saw her hugging her little girl as we were leaving the > theatre,and I just had to stop to thank her. A very talented woman. Not > only does she have a successful singing career, but she's an accomplished > actress as well. According to her biography, she's covered some Piaf. Would > love to hear her sing again. > > Rosie > NP: Joni, Coyote from Bob's Hejira samplings Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 9:48:41 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: RE Oscars & Polanski NJC > His past behaviour with the 13 yr. girl CANNOT and should never be excused, > but it has been said by quite a few on the list already, ART is one thing, the > person is the other. I was in a store the other day and it occurred to me that you never see people like Joni, James Taylor, or Stevie Wonder in the tabloids. I love their music, I know very little about their day to day life (all I know about James is that he's married, lives in New England and has two young twins.) And that's as it should be. And then there's people like Ozzy Osbourne who, in the past, has done a few weird, questionable things, though I also know he has suffered from drug and alcohol abuse, and tbough I haven't followed his more recent works, I love his early albums and alot of the Black Sabbath recordings. I admire his work. I'm not him and I don't really feel like its my place to judge him [Ozzy] or his actions...Roman Polanski probably used bad judgement in this case and I haven't seen "The Pianist" but if he was able to produce a great work of art and overcome whatever shortcomings he possesses(none of us are perfect) then I think there's all the more reason to applaud for him. Everyone has their demons they face...but I think everyone has the potential to do good and the goodness to realize their potential. There are no tabloids in Whole Foods and I find it so incredibly refreshing. Victor NP: The Neal Boortz show - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album, Parsonage Lane, coming this spring! Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:54:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Wall to Wall, Part 7 & last - Whew!! - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: After Brandon's subdued presentation, the emcee (there were several throughout the day, all DJ's from WFUV) On the off chance that there are a few NPR junkies out there who are fans of "Selected Shorts", one of the emcees throughout the day was the host of "Selected Shorts", and Symphony Space artistic director Isaiah Sheffer. I just love that man's voice. Nice reviewing Bob! Jenny announced that there would be a short break while they set up for The Mingus Big Band. It > didn't take long, and > soon everything was in place. Sue Mingus served as > emcee for the 5-song > extended set, telling lots of stories about Charles > & Joni, and even dishing > some dirt on Joni & Don Alias. The 14-piece band > swung as they supported the > following vocalists: > > Andy Bey - A Chair In The Sky: Andy's > chocolate-velvet voice was a perfect > choice for this song. Of course, as with all of > these, The Mingus Big Band > has played them many times, so there was a strong > professionalism present. > > Dana Hanchard - Sweet Sucker Dance: Dana came back > after her lovely turn on > 'Lindsay' and did a super job. The band played > flawlessly behind her, and > each song included some nice solos by saxophonists, > trumpets, and behind the > rhythm section was a 19-year old who played 'big > band' style drume to > perfection! Bonus points to Heather who recognized > Randy Brecker in the band. > > Julien Fleischer - Edith And The Kingpin: The only > non-Mingus selection, they > had the arrangement from their work with Elvis > Costello, and for his third > appearance Julien was 3-for-3. Reminded me of seeing > Jason Marsalis' set at > Pazfest. > > Melba Joyce - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines, > Goodbye Pork Pie Hat: As she > did previously with Harlem in Havana, Melba capably > sang these two with ease, > grace & style, never missing a beat in terms of > melody and rhythm. Singing > jazz couldn't be as easy as she makes it appear. The > band really bumped it up > a notch for Mingus' signature tune 'Goodbye Pork Pie > Hat'. When they > completed, an instantaneous standing ovation > resulted. From a purely musical > perspective, this was by far the most amazing > performance of the day. A > polished gem in every sense. > > I would not have wanted to be the act following > that, and luckily for > everyone I wasn't! That unenviable chore fell on: > > Jenifer Jackson - That Song About The Midway, The > Gallery: And she wasn't > overwhelmed by it in the least. Her performance, > accompanied by percussion > and guitar, was as pretty as the songs she chose. > > Don Byron & Music For Six Musicians + 1 - The > Priest, Dreamland: Does the > title sound pretentious? This was one of the most > pretentious performances > I've ever seen, and the sad thing is that the > players here were really > talented. If not for "Lord" Byron lording over them, > literally shouting at > them onstage, while they were playing, walking > around the stage, playing way > too many solos on his clarinet, and allowing the > excess that ruined these > performances. I mean, each song was 15 minutes long! > While all the musicians > were very capable, they just had no restraint. At > least the performance > featured a knockout Brazilian vocalist whose denim > skirt appeared to be > painted on, and she did lots of dancing onstage, so > I had a nice visual while > waiting for Byron to end, which Thank God he finally > did. > > Martha Wainwright - Roses Blue, Big Yellow Taxi: > This was a real > juxtaposition, because the young daughter of Loudon > Wainwright & Kate > McGarrigle was as UN-pretentious as they come. She > was not that familiar with > Joni and had just started to play her songs. You > certainly wouldn't have > known as she was very good playing & singing Roses > Blue (not one of Joni's > easiest melodies) and BYT, which she slowed down a > lot because she said she > was not familiar with it (!!) She was great, but I > would have like to have > seen a performer that WAS familiar with Joni, like > maybe Bryan Thomas! > > Marc Anthony Thompson - Don't Interrupt The Sorrow, > Hissing Of Summer Lawns: > Marc's set was also very quiet...Oren Bloedow backed > him on acoustic guitar, > and his voice was a good match for these songs. When > a baby in the audience > started to pitch a hissy fit, instead of singing > "wash and balance me", he > sang "wash that baby, please" which got a good > reaction from the audience. > When he sang "a good slave loves the good book", he > repeated it a couple of > times and then added 'a rebel loves applause". An > interesting, provocative, > and satisfying set. > > OK, so now we've sat through practically 12 hours of > Joni covers...one act to > go, and it was another winner. > > Ute Lemper - Black Crow, Last Chance Lost, Love: Ute > was backed by acoustic > guitar, bass and percussion. She made some extreme > facial contortions when > dhe sang but she sounded great. Black Crow started > off very slowly, then she > kicked it in and the Crow was flyin! Last Chance > Lost was beautifully done, > Ute's vocal perhaps even more emotive than Joni's > own on TI. I couldn't help > but watch the guitarist try to negotiate what looked > like some incredibly > difficult chord changes. She closed out with a > fairly straightforward and > very pretty "Love" and when they announced that they > were going to close with > Joni's clip of her singing "Chelsea Morning", we > JMDLer's who have seen it > again & again headed out into the New York night for > some food, drink and the > chance to share our thoughts about the > once-in-a-lifetime concert we'd > experienced. > > Again, my thanks to all of you who helped me share > this incredible day, it's > not one that I'll be forgetting anytime soon! > > In closing...if you have a chance to hand with > JMDLer's, or catch a 12-hour > Joni tribute...do it. > > Peace, > Bob > > NP: Broooce, "Waitin' On A Sunny Day" 12/9/02 Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:58:26 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: anti war songs NJC Most people don't think of this as a protest song, but, it's really very bitter. If it wasn't springsteen you may think it was written by a punk band. As far as I can tell its just two chords. D - G - D. D in the G D. BORN IN THE U.S.A. Born down in a dead man's town The first kick I took was when I hit the ground You end up like a dog that's been beat too much 'Til you spend half your life just covering up CHORUS Born in the U.S.A. Born in the U.S.A. Born in the U.S.A. Born in the U.S.A. I got in a little hometown jam And so they put a rifle in my hands Sent me off to Vietnam To go and kill the yellow man CHORUS Come back home to the refinery Hiring man says "Son if it was up to me" I go down to see the V.A. man He said "Son don't you understand" CHORUS I had a buddy at Khe Sahn Fighting off the Viet Cong They're still there, he's all gone He had a little girl in Saigon I got a picture of him in her arms Down in the shadow of the penitentiary Out by the gas fires of the refinery I'm ten years down the road Nowhere to run, ain't got nowhere to go I'm a long gone Daddy in the U.S.A. Born in the U.S.A. I'm a cool rocking Daddy in the U.S.A. Born in the U.S.A. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Notaro Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 5:42 AM To: FMYFL@aol.com Cc: Murphycopy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: anti war songs NJC Oh they do exist. I did a search of the Library of Congress Memory project, which is the greatest digital project in the world, I'm happy to say. A bunch turned up. Two typical songs: THE DOVE OF PEACE. Written by A. ANDERSON, Philadelphia. When the dark cloud of rebellion Enshrouded our land, The war cry resounding, From Georgia to Maine; The Dove of sweet peace, No longer could stay, She spread her bright pinions, "And flew weeping away." The rumbling of chariots, And the cannon's wild roar, Where the war horses are prancing, Or dashing through gore; Ungenial the clime To the Dove of sweet peace, She has fled from our nation Till these tumults shall cease. She has flown to a distance, In quiet to dwell, There weeping and cooing In her quiet lone cell, A waiting the hour, When the rainbow of peace Shall burst the dark cloud, And the war-cry shall cease. When the dark cloud of rebellion Enshrouded our land, And the war-cry resounding, From Georgia to Maine; The Dove of sweet peace, No longer could stay, On her bright golden pinions-- "Flew weeping away." February, 1863. HARRIS, Printer, S. E. corner Fourth and Vine Streets, Philada. Peace. Written by a Fool. [n. p.] [n. d.] A Fool. SHELF LOCATION American Song Sheets, Series 1, Volume 7 LYRICS PEACE. WRITTEN BY A FOOL. AIR--"The American Boy." Peace on earth, good will to men, Our blessed Saviour cried, He agonized upon the cross, And for us all he died. The dogs of war are now let loose, Our country's rent in twain, The life blood of our brethren South, The Northern hands do stain. They ask for nothing but their rights, Which from their fathers came, They wish for to be let alone, Why should their wish be vain. There is some honest, noble hearts, Yet in the Northern land, Who scorn to act a tyrant's part, Or shake the traitor's hand. Then come, let's drop our arms of steel, And be good friends once more, Let's feel the woes that others feel, Love God and him adore. Then should the storm of war arise. Our hearts in anger driven, We'll lift on high our tearful eyes, And beg to be forgiven. Jerry FMYFL@aol.com wrote: >Bob wrote: > > > >>The reason I asked Alison about bluegrass-type music is that I thought there >> >>might be some Civil War era anti-war songs I don't know about. The only WWI >> >>and WWII songs I could think of were all pretty much pro-war, or at least >>about missing home or a soldier . . . but I am sure there's at least one >>anti-war song for every war. >> >> > >I hope Ali comes up with something. I did some searches and couldn't come up >with any anti civil war songs. They were more one sided, north against the >south, slavery vs. anti slavery type songs. As for WWI and WWII anti war >songs, the only thing I found was a song called "I Didn't Raise My Boy to Be >a Soldier" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:01:51 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: oscars njc Catherine McKay wrote: > --- colin wrote: > >Good >point. I don't get it either. If I had done a > > >>>crime, I'd rather face the music. >>> >>> >>> >>which is why you would be unlikely to commit one. >> >> >> > >It's not as if I haven't thought of it. It would just >have to be worth it, and few things are IMO. > oh we have all thought about it! Stealing? Murder? > (Note use >of acronymn at end of sentence.) > >===== >Catherine >Toronto > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:03:28 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: The Pianist njc theodore wrote: >I'm single and I don't like going to the movies alone. Such a lonely >thing to do by yourself. Also if the characters smoke then I want to go >outside and smoke. Weird huh! The Tenant by Polanski is one of my >favorite films. In the end the main character dresses as a woman and >throws himself off a three story balcony. The first time doesn't kill >him so he drags his body, broken and twisted from the fall back up to >the top and does it again. > > > I just love cheerful optimistic films.....will note this one down as a must see... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:05:07 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Paul Mc Cartney, njc Laurent Olszer wrote: >Hi all, > >Saw Paul last night for the opening night of his european tour. > I saw his name up on some theatre whilst driving along the Ring Road of Antwerp.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:07:31 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Moore is decidedly less in my book, was " njc MY BOY WON!" I know you are right.However, it wasn't ALL of us. Soem us just have to like or lump what the majority decide.... The weird thing is-the butcher and greengrocers(when you cna find one) are CHEAPER than the supermarkets.... Jerry Notaro wrote: > colin wrote: > >> >> Big busines ahs destroyed small business and communities. Have we let >> them? Did we have a choice? > > > Yes. We voted with our pocket books and wallets. Here in the States, > and I'm sure it is the same everywhere, whenever the big discount > stores open, people flock for the lower prices, leaving the smaller, > locally owned shops which give better service and quality at higher > prices to shut down. The price we pay, is the price we've paid. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:04:07 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: RE Oscars & Polanski NJC Of course Gill. That is exactly what I was saying. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:41:23 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: anti-war/peace songs suggestions THANKS! NJC Just wanted to say a big "thanks!" to everyone who suggested songs to play on my show today. it went very well, i got SO many calls from people who loved it. just some of the tunes i played: ani d, self evident (huge response on that one...i think i'll play it every week--if you haven't heard it, go to her website and download it), marvin gaye, prince- sign o the times; i'd love to change the world by ten years after; buffalo springfield, for what its worth, tax free by ms. joni, which includes a "fuck" WHICH I FORGOT!!!!, big mistake, lots of dylan including the eddie vedder version of masters of war, some woody guthrie, bruce springsteen born in the USA which nobody gets...ha ha, joan baez, elvis costello peace love and understanding, corry hanna aka randy remote with just say no to war (a great song!), kate bush army dreamers, bruce cockburn, and so much more. lots of excellent suggestions, and i really appreciate all your help. its great to know that i can count on you guys to share your musical knowledge! (that initial email, in my head, i called it "muller bait": an ani difranco reference AND a question about specific songs, you just know muller is gonna come up with good stuff!) anyway, thanks everyone. alison e. in slc np: Ani Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:41:34 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: RE: RE Oscars & Polanski NJC Hey All Time for me to Open My Mouth Here ... I am an admirer of Polanski's work, also as someone else mentioned, after seeing "the Tenant" at a very young age. I am not a rabid fan however. That said his actions - at his age at that time were totally inexcusable. Its not a matter of making a vague judgement. He was a pig. Dont even get me started on where a poor woman would be if she had comitted this sort of crime - does a certain imprisoned teacher come to mind - hmmm? Also what about ANY person of color. And he is making money on his art in the country where he is a felon. I believe we should freeze any profits and pass them along to rape, incest and any other sexual victims & or their organizations. If he really is the successful artiste - he will make enough in other markets to survive. Hey I plan to see the movie but I cant believe the soft attiudes here about rape and with a minor and the drugging of said minor. I am shocked. Victor I know you to be a man of peace and impeccable respect for women, this is not about judgeing. Nor am I meaning to pick out just your post here for any sort of attack. He did it it's pure and simple truth, he should have to face some sort of consequence. If he has this potential to realize his goodness - I wonder exactly when he will - on his death bed!? How about now, by either donating his profits or coming in to face the music. Or by sponsoring some young women filmakers in the industry. There would seem to be a lot of painless ways to handle this. Perhaps I could forgive him - if he paid off my credit card debt. Now there's a good cause! OKay all done now. Peace, Susan - --- Victor Johnson wrote: ...Roman Polanski probably used bad judgement in this case > and I haven't seen "The Pianist" but if he was able to produce a great work > of art and overcome whatever shortcomings he possesses(none of us are > perfect) then I think there's all the more reason to applaud for him. > > Everyone has their demons they face...but I think everyone has the > potential to do good and the goodness to realize their potential. > > There are no tabloids in Whole Foods and I find it so incredibly refreshing. > > Victor > > NP: The Neal Boortz show > > > > > > --- Victor Johnson > --- waytoblu@mindspring.com > Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > Look for the new album, Parsonage Lane, coming this spring! > Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:54:55 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: Oscars & Polanski NJC Victor wrote: > Roman Polanski probably used bad judgement in this case and I haven't > seen "The Pianist" but if he was able to produce a great work of art > and overcome whatever shortcomings he possesses(none of us are > perfect) then I think there's all the more reason to applaud for him. WARNING - this is going to come on strong and may alter your opinion of me. I try to be a liberal thinker, I really do. However, there is at least one place where I draw a line that I will not alter or erase: sexual abuse of children. I honest-to-god believe that people who have committed (note that I haven't said "convicted") child sexual abuse should be SHOT, and I will volunteer for that job if someone will just let me do it. I'll bring my own gun and supply my own ammunition. Yes, this includes Roman Polanski. I don't care if he's a "great artist." We've surely missed out on a lot of great art because people, for whatever reason, weren't able to reach their potential. I would happily give up "The Pianist" (which I haven't seen and will not see) to see Polanski where he belongs, even though he's been "able to ... overcome whatever shortcomings he possesses." Sorry, but I can't applaud somebody like him. Lori, whose therapist says she has an "issue" with pedophiles (no shit) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:13:19 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: george butsh NJC hi >>>>catherine wrote >>>>> When I think of George Bush, I think of the psycho president in Stephen King's "Dead Zone" - I just can't get that image out of my mind. ouch!!! thats really scary & vivid. that man scares me a whole lot. he reminds me of one of those really, really stupid people with a huge chip on their shoulder whove now got into a position of petty authority, like a security guard or a policeman, and are now going to exercise their authority no matter what anyone says. except his authority is not petty. he might well turn out to be one of the most dangerous men in history, with the power to destroy and the stupidity to use it..... i disliked him from the moment i first saw him on tv. and its just got worse since then. ron joan baez - heres to you ps - ive just realised that ive sat listening to nearly the whole of joan baez live, and the first song i actually can now recall listening to is track 8 - cambodia. these jmdl digests really take my attention!!!! of course bobs reports had a whole lot to do with that. w2w sounds awesome!!!! what a wonderful concept!!!!!!! what other artists do they honour???? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:15:15 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: anti-war/peace songs suggestions THANKS! NJC In a message dated 3/26/2003 12:41:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, alisone4@yahoo.com writes: > (that initial email, in > my head, i called it "muller bait": an ani difranco > reference AND a question about specific songs, you > just know muller is gonna come up with good stuff!) Glad that your show went well, Alison. Knew that it would. The "F" word in Tax Free is almost inaudible, it's not like Steely Dan's 'Show Biz Kids' or something. Muller Bait! LOL! Why I oughta.... And speaking of Ani, I love this line from "Serpentine" on her new one: and uncle sam is rigging cockfights in the promised land and that knife you stuck in my back is still there it pinches a little when i sigh and moan and these days i'm thinkin i could just as soon use the time alone Bob NP: Joni, "For The Roses" Ithaca, NY 2/3/74 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:29:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: how do you find comfort these days? njc i agree with ya'll...friends- including my furry cat & dog friends, playing & listening to music, being in nature are all such comforts to me as is being with my family & getting a digest or two each day from the jmdl! peace, kate ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:29:50 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Previous W2W honorees In a message dated 3/26/2003 5:13:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, flopit@mweb.co.za writes: > what a wonderful concept!!!!!!! what other artists do they > honour???? They were celebrating their 25th anniversary. Previous tributes: Bach Schubert Brahms Haydn Copland Beethoven John Cage Richard Rodgers Baroque Charles Ives Mozart Cole Porter Gershwin Ellington Robert Schumann Irving Berlin Ravel & Debussy Leonard Bernstein Frank Loesser Kurt Weill Miles Davis Joni Mitchell Joni's in pretty good company - note that they ain't done Dylan, OR The Beatles yet...Joni came first! Bob NP: Joni, "Blue" 2/3/74 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #195 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)