From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #190 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 25 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 190 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: new mini-series/ watch the war NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC Re: Dark Cafe Days Amongst Us! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: new mini-series/ watch the war NJC ["Lori Fye" ] oscars njc ["ron" ] now - peace songs NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: BBC - 'A Woman of Heart and Mind' ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: Joni Mitchell, A Woman of Heart and Mind ["Mick Mick" ] Re: now - peace songs NJC [vince ] Re: oscars - now with added jc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: oscars - now with added jc [vince ] Re: oscars - now with added jc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: now - peace songs NJC [Deb Messling ] love train (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] Long, long, long awaited album from Maria McKee njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: now - peace songs NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] War songs njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: now - peace songs NJC [vince ] RE: Joni Wall to Wall ["patrick leader" ] Re: now - peace songs NJC [vince ] RE: Wall to Wall/My 2 Cents ["patrick leader" ] Re: NJC /Steve Polifka pc ["Steve Polifka" ] Re: love train (njc) [vince ] Re: new mini-series/ watch the war NJC [Randy Remote ] RE: oscars njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: I trespassed into the Casino at Asbury Park NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] The Crying Game/Brenda Lee NJC [Gary Zack ] Re: oscars - now with added jc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: oscars - Polanski njc ["kakki" ] Re: oscars njc ["kakki" ] Re: Oh Watchful Ones Amongst the Slaves -SJC [Ricw1217@aol.com] my favorite peace song [KJHSF@aol.com] Peace and war songs (njc) ["kakki" ] Re: I trespassed into the Casino at Asbury Park NJC [Jeff Koko np: ani difranco's new GREAT one...Evolve. Amen!! I can't get enough of it, the best thing she's done since 'To The Teeth' which wasn't really that long ago. She said in an interview that this is the last project she'll do with this band line-up, so I'm interested in where she'll go next. As to your war song thread, I'd contribute: Elvis Costello, "Shipbuilding" (With all the wealth in the world, diving for dear life, when we could be diving for pearls) XTC, "Generals & Majors" (Generals & Majors always seem so unhappy unless they got a war) Another XTC, "Here Comes President Kill Again" (no sample lyric needed) Lots more, of course, but there's a couple for ya'. Bob NP: Joni, "You Turn Me On I'm A Radio" Los Angeles 3/3/74 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:10:09 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Dark Cafe Days Amongst Us! Welcome Rob!! I saw the member profile a week or so ago, have been waiting for you to step forward and give an intro. Come out come out, wherever you are! :~) Bob NP: Joni, "Free Man In Paris" 3/3/74 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:32:39 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: new mini-series/ watch the war NJC > can you all suggest some songs i might not have thought of? I'm thinking ... Meanwhile, see: http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer? pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1035779486369&call_p ageid=1045739058633 Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:35:45 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: watch the war NJC http://www.zmag.org/songs/songarchive.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:44:31 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: oscars njc hi so i watched the oscars. didnt listen - just watched. reserved my listening for pete o connel & jonatha brooke (i guess its all the talk about the "war" song) does anyone else watch tv with the sound off & music on? its esp. funny with awards shows and bad movies - which are not too dissimilar. you really dont need the sound to follow the plot, and its amazing how apparent the corniness and bad acting become. ron btw - anyone else listen to pete o'connel? i think hes from canada - i found an autographed cd in a local shop (what people will sell!!!!!) for around 2 dollars, i was intrigued by the cogver & bought it. wonderful, rhythmic guitar playing with some great songs. recomended. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:10:59 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: now - peace songs NJC Alison writes: << i want to do a whole show filled with these sentiments this wednesday. can you all suggest some songs i might not have thought of? >> How about some of the oldies, from way back when peace was just a dream some of us had . . . "(The Ants Are My Friends) Blowin' in the Wind" by Bob Dylan "Eve of Destruction" by Barry McGuire "Xmas in February" by Lou Reed "I'd Love to Change the World" by Ten Years After "Riot Going On (Student Demonstration Time)" by the Beach Boys "Soldier Boy" by the Shirelles "Sympathy for the Devil" by Mick and the boys ("I rode a tank, held a general's rank, as the blitzkrieg raged, and the bodies stank") "Small World" by Ethel Merman "Wild World" by Cat Stevens "Crying Game" by Culture Club "Life's Gonna Suck" by Denis Leary "Everybody Hurts" by REM "Beat of Black WIngs" by what's-her-name . . . Plus a little Paul Simon, Joan Baez, Judy Collins, Odetta and the usual subjects. Also, are there any bluegrass/folk songs you know that would fit the bill? (Aren't you a bluegrass expert?) XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:15:19 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: BBC - 'A Woman of Heart and Mind' Yes what's the email address? I think maybe the BBC will show it if enough people email a request. I know it's not the same but the other week Jeremy Vine on R2 played 'Carey' because a lot of people kept emailing him to play more Joni. It made my day. I think I will email him to play 'Raised On Robbery' because the UK need to know that there is more to Joni that 'BYT' and BLUE! STEVE T 'Land of snap decisions Land of short attention spans Nothing is savored Long enough To really understand' NP: 'Jesus Was A Crossmaker' ~ JUDY SILL - BBC live (Thanks to whoever mentioned her name. I like, I like-on my "CD's to buy" list definitely. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe farrell" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 7:50 PM Subject: re: joni mitchell a woman of heart and mind njc > Hi Mick, > > Perhaps if all of us Joni fans in the UK email the beeb they might buy. > > What is the email address? Lets get writing, you never know. > > Thanks for the info Mick. > > Regards, > > Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:26:46 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: oscars njc >Roman POlanski's THE PIANIST. Scorsese was the first (or among the first) to give the absent Roman Polanski his standing ovation. What it would have been like if its really POlanski who is there while the handcuffs are being put on him. Kiddin'.< i did not see the oscars but this is a strange situation...i don't understand how people can give a standing ovation to polanski, overlooking what he did & ran from...bill maher brought that up this topic recently & many there (including me) were suprised to learn the details of his having sex with an underaged girl...she was 13 & he drugged & raped her...according to the trial testimony and here's part of the michael moore speech someone just sent to me: "We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man who's sending us to war for fictitious reasons, whether it's the fiction of duct tape or the fiction of orange alerts. We are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Any time you've got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up." ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:57:13 +0000 From: "Mick Mick" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell, A Woman of Heart and Mind Hi Joe, Thanks for taking it up. As a public service, I think they do take note of requests. So it's info@bbc.co.uk. But give them your town and phone number so they see you as genuine. They'll take more notice. Or phone - 08700 100 222. Or write - BBC, PO Box 1922, Glasgow, G2 3WT And if anybody outside the UK would like to be genune too, why not dip into ukphonebook.com? ;) >Hi Mick, > >Perhaps if all of us Joni fans in the UK email the beeb they might buy. > >What is the email address? Lets get writing, you never know. >Hi Mick, > >Perhaps if all of us Joni fans in the UK email the beeb they might buy. > >What is the email address? Lets get writing, you never know. > >Thanks for the info Mick. > >Regards, > >Joe. > > _________________________________________________________________ Surf together with new Shared Browsing http://join.msn.com/?page=features/browse&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=74&DI=1059 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:10:50 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: now - peace songs NJC How about: There's a chance Peace will come by Melanie Peace Train by Cat Stevens Peace Train by Yusuf Islam (a new version by the Artist formerly known as Cat Stevens) Orphan of World War II - John Hartford (there's the bluegrass fix) Give Peace a Chance - Plastic Ono Band What's so funny 'bout Peace Love and Understanding - Elvis Costello to name but a few ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:12:17 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: oscars njc Kate, I find it hard to be in judgment against Polanski because I just don't know the actuality. My recollection is - and I could be wrong here so if I am I hope someone can correct - that there were some questions about the validity of the charge and the testimony. Whether Polanski was guilty of just a horrid mistake in judgment or an actual criminal act, I do not know, but I have always suspected it was the former. And at that time period, being a Holocaust survivor having gone through the Manson killings losing his 8 months pregnant wife so brutally, I can comprehend a person who was not acting as I might prefer - - presuming it was a horrid mistake in judgment in a consensual act as opposed to a criminal act. Given the time that has elapsed and that he has shown in his life redemption from his reeling after the Mason murders, I was applauding for him at home. Just my thoughts. Vince PS - Mack - I sure don't mind that anyone here has less than my enthusiasm at Em winning his Oscar - we have been dancing on the Eminem lists. But your friend's point that Joni hasn't won an Oscar - I ask sincerely because I admit I do not know - has she ever written a song directly for the screen? I know she has never been nominated, but has she ever even written a song directly for the screen? If she has never done so and there is not an overlooked classic out there that should have been nominated, the fact that Em has won an Oscar and Joni hasn't doesn't bother me. I am wishing that Eminem had been there - I would have framed on my wall a picture of Streisand and Marshall Mathers together! And I appreciated your post a lot too. Kate Bennett wrote: >>Roman POlanski's THE PIANIST. Scorsese was the first (or among the first) >> >> >to give the absent >Roman Polanski his standing ovation. What it would have been like if its >really POlanski who is there while the handcuffs are being put on him. >Kiddin'.< > >i did not see the oscars but this is a strange situation...i don't >understand how people can give a standing ovation to polanski, ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:16:12 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: now - peace songs NJC MerMurphycopy@aol.com wrote: > >"Riot Going On (Student Demonstration Time)" by the Beach Boys > > > That had to be worst protest song ever - that one really sucks - it is the one piece of real crap on one of my most favorite albums ever. > >"Crying Game" by Culture Club] > How was that a protest song? I am confused??? And your list omits the greatest one ever, that always moves me to tears - - Merry XMas (War is Over). But I still love you! Vincenem ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:22:32 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: oscars - now with added jc In a message dated 24/03/2003 23:13:40 GMT Standard Time, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: > I know she has never been nominated, but has > she ever even written a song directly for the screen? Surely Man From Mars would qualify? Indeed it would have been a worthy winner, considering that Andrew Lloyd Webber was a winner that year, and the AOR horrors Diane Warren and Bryan Adams were among the other nominees. I think songs that are a truly integral part of a film should be given the nod over tacked-on-at-the-end-of-the-credits hackery. Azeem in London NP: Talk Talk - The Colour of Spring ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:33:20 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: oscars - now with added jc > I asked: > >> I know she has never been nominated, but has >> she ever even written a song directly for the screen? > Azeem answered > Surely Man From Mars would qualify? Questions (I have no answers today): was Man from Mars written directly for the screen, or just used in the movie? And isn't being written directly for the screen a requirement? And if - and since I suspect but do not know the answers - if (as unlikely as it seems to me) Man from mars was written directly for the movie and not just used in the movie, is it possible that Streisand used industry influence to keep Joni from being nominated because of her jealously and that Babs had Em win because she wanted to have a Adrein Brody-Halle Berry moment with Marshall Mathers? Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:46:30 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: oscars - now with added jc In a message dated 24/03/2003 23:36:06 GMT Standard Time, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: > Questions (I have no answers today): was Man from Mars written directly > for the screen, or just used in the movie? And isn't being written > directly for the screen a requirement? > > I'm not sure about this, but I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that Joni was approached directly by Allison Anders to write a song for the film; then I recall something about Joni not being able to come up with anything suitable, until her cat disappeared and she was inspired to write Man From Mars. I'm by no means certain of this, and I'm sure someone will know for sure... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:48:27 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: now - peace songs NJC Save the Country (Laura Nyro) Where Have All the Flowers Gone (a bunch of people) Peace Will Come (I know the Priscilla Herdman version) Two songs that are not "sing-along" peace songs but are all the more moving for that: Christmas in the Trenches The Band Played Waltzing Matilda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:55:48 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: love train (njc) OK, I just can't suffer alone anymore. I was getting ready to go to the candlelight vigil a week ago Sunday evening. What pops into my head, but the old O'Jays song "Love Train." And IT WON'T LEAVE!!! (LOL!) Then when I got to the vigil I was glad I had 3 different candles in 3 different containers. The first 2 kept blowing out. The scented one in the mayo jar did the trick. (Yes, only Marthat Stewart and I would go to an anti-war vigil with SCENTED candles!) So, regardless of your opposition to or support of this war, I was hoping this might bring a smile. And, maybe "infect" you with this song, so I'll stop humming it :-) lots of love Anne NPIMH: People all over the world, join hands, Join the love train, love train... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:59:54 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Long, long, long awaited album from Maria McKee njc It's 7 years since Maria McKee's masterpiece, Life Is Sweet, and FINALLY a new record is ready to go. High Dive appears in a month, and I can't wait. I've been scanning her website, on which tour dates including UK are promised; I'll certainly be going, anyone else a fan? Last time she played in London I hardly saw her at all: she was alone and seated throughout, whether playing piano or guitar, and it was still a stunning show. Jamie was there (although he'd gone to see David Gray, the poor deluded fool ;-) and I think Rob Jordan. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:07:52 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: now - peace songs NJC Vince writes: > >"Crying Game" by Culture Club] > > > How was that a protest song? I am confused??? Please, Vince -- no hard questions! I associate this song with the movie of the same name, which is about the "war" between the Irish and the British. It's not a peace song per se, but just because your precious Eminem didn't write it, don't be dissing it. I think my boy (George) wrote it. Where the hell are my meds? Why have I got a short little span of attention? I hope the Pope and the Dixie Chicks like me . . . - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:10:42 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: War songs njc Two of the most moving songs about war are to be found on Richard Thompson's album Daring Adventures: How Will I Ever Be Simple Again? and Al Bowlly's In Heaven. They're not overtly anti-war, which makes them that much more powerful, I think. And in fact one of his very greatest songs, Woods of Darney, is also about war, specifically the First World War. All of those songs are written from the point of view of soldiers or ex-soldiers, and tell of the suffering and sacrifices humble soldiers have to go through. As he included Phil Ochs's I Ain't Marching Anymore in his recent gig, I think it's clear where he stands. And another great war song, more obviously anti, which I don't think has been mentioned yet, is Bob Dylan's With God On Our Side. Perhaps the definitive version of it is by the Neville Brothers, on their Yellow Moon album. It's a spine-tingling rendition by Aaron, and still packs a mighty punch today - I'm listening to it right now. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:23:28 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: now - peace songs NJC Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > > I hope the Pope and the Dixie Chicks like me . . . > >- > Will you be surprised with the papal announcement tomorrow and the Dixie Chicks press conference... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:20:00 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Joni Wall to Wall i'd be interested in this tape, as bob and debra couldn't stop singing the praises of helga davis, who i missed. i'd love if certain parts that i DID hear got taped; i would cream to own a tape of the mingus big band set, which i DID hear. sylvia mcnair is an opera singer who sometimes sings cabaret. i wish i'd heard her. patrick, who needs to write a full report. np - meshell ndegeocello - ecclesiastes: free my heart >far, the most amazing performance of the 5 1/2 hours that I heard >was by Helga Davis, who did a version of The Beat Of Black Wings >that had everyone stunned. > If >anyone on the list taped the concert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:38:08 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: now - peace songs NJC Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >Vince writes: > > > >>>"Crying Game" by Culture Club] >>> >>> >>> >>How was that a protest song? I am confused??? >> >> > >Please, Vince -- no hard questions! > >I associate this song with the movie of the same name, which is about the "war" between the Irish and the British. It's not a peace song per se, but just because your precious Eminem didn't write it, don't be dissing it. I think my boy (George) wrote it. Where the hell are my meds? Why have I got a short little span of attention? I hope the Pope and the Dixie Chicks like me . . . > > Ha! Dave Berry wrote the Crying Game (I think, he had the original hit with it when Boy George was still fetus George) and I think the movie is about what isn't and what is between Dil's legs and whether it matters. Obviously you do not see sex where it is!!!!!!!! At best Crying Game is a piece song - getting a piece of Dil was so central to the movie but what piece would you get was the question! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:40:04 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Wall to Wall/My 2 Cents deb wrote: In the 33 years that Wall to Walls have been done, Joni's the first >woman to be so honored. as well, she's the first living composer to be honored. patrick np - peter gabriel - i grieve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:51:58 -0600 From: "Steve Polifka" Subject: Re: NJC /Steve Polifka pc Well, I thought everyone would know I was refering to G. Dubya. I don't have issues with folks from other states. What overcame me in my post, I can't say. It wasn't a slur against anyone else. Honestly. Just hate to see folks dying because of a quest for(self) glory. Steve p.s. Donna, next time you see me, you can mess up my hair... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mack watson-bush" To: "joni" Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:00 AM Subject: Re: NJC /Steve Polifka pc > Donna wrote: > > > > Being from Texas doesn't make you a Republican, or a warmonger, there > > are millions of people here, but not all of us are rednecks... > > > That one rankled my feathers as well. Temporarily in Wisconsin but have > found pro-war sentiments much more profound here than in Texas. There are > millions of we Texans that find George Bush and his policies deplorable. > > mack-wondering how things will go now that Americans are actually dying (and > it wasn't just the big game after all nor a gold medal at stake) and still > trying to figure out how he feels about this mess. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:57:03 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: love train (njc) anne@sandstrom.com wrote: >OK, I just can't suffer alone anymore. I was getting >ready to go to the candlelight vigil a week ago Sunday >evening. What pops into my head, but the old O'Jays >song "Love Train." And IT WON'T LEAVE!!! (LOL!) > You think you got problems with Love Train - when I saw the Stones last September at beautiful Comiskey Park, home of the Chicago White Sox, they suddenly broke into Love Train. Ever see Mick Jagger do Love Train? Ever see Mick Jagger prance to Love Train? It is a sight I shall never get out of my head. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:02:36 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: new mini-series/ watch the war NJC Alison E wrote: > can you all suggest > some songs i might not have thought of? Dylan - Masters of War and With God On Our Side Country Joe & The Fish - I Feel Like I'm Fixin' To Die, "Maria" CSN- Long Time Gone , Soldiers of Peace (great song) Crosby & Nash - Southbound Train David Crosby - What Are Their Names? John Lennon - Gimme Some Truth, Freeda Peeple Phil Ochs - I Ain't Marchin' Anymore Spearhead - "We Can Bomb the World To Pieces But We Can't Bomb It Into Peace" Ani DiFranco-Self Evident Pink Floyd - Dogs of War Jello Biafra-Die For Oil, Sucker Arlo Guthrie-Alice's Restaurant Massacre Police-Bombs Away John Trudell - Bombs Over Baghdad Stephen Stills/Manassas-Isn't It About Time? Jackson Browne - Lives In The Balance Bruce Springsteen - War (cover of Edwin Starr) Buffy St Marie - The Universal Soldier L7 - Wargasm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:42:37 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: The Younger Generation, was Re: JoniDay,ProtestDay,WarDay njc Aww, now. Things have been worse. Remember the period after Sly and the Family Stone and before Springsteen? A little musical nightmare I like to call "disco"? Not only did it feature the Brothers Gibb but the most repititious hi-hat riff ever foisted upon an ENTIRE DECADE! Don't get me started. I hope the youngsters take a moment to thank the old hippies for the radio format of the singer-songwriter, called "triple-A". It's a major feature in my life. Today I'll give thanks for David Gray, Alanis, Dave Matthews, & Bryan Thomas. I'll close with a quote from another young upstart, Kasey Chambers of Australia. Her dad gave her wonderful debut, "The Captain" a guitar sound straight out of Austin, Texas. You could put any of these cuts right next to Ronstadt's "Don't Cry Now" album. If the Eagles had cut an early album in a week, in someone's garage, it would be "The Captain". This album's been through the giant Riff-O-Matic Of Life. If you don't bob your head, hanging onto time, anticipating the next riff, well, you just don't like garage rock with a hint of twang, that's all. Kasey said, "I never lived through the Great Depression sometimes I *FEEL* as though I did. And I don't have answers to every single question; that's alright 'cause I'm just a kid. I'm not much like my generation. Their music only hurts my ears. An' I don't hide my pain to save my reputation; it's too hard to keep up with these years." song: CRY LIKE A BABY Look at the next-to-last line. That's a mouthful. Yum. Kasey has a place in the ol' Covington bunk-house anytime. Lama Andrew said, in part>>>>>> And I've often asked myself why my generation of artists (age 25 or so) seems more concerned about image, vanity and being famous than saying anything really relevant. I like Rufus Wainright. Alanis has some interesting things to say - just wish she'd say it better. But of the guys and dolls my age, who happen to be on the music scene and on a platform of fame and fortune, are shiny, plastic people with vacuous brain cavities. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:10:53 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: protest songs from the modern world NJC Ministry- Over the shoulder David Bowie- A better future Rage against the machine- Killing in the name of Gang of Four- Arm a lite rifle Kate Bush- Army dreamers UB40- Present arms I could go on but I'm sure Bob would be the only one still reading and he's Joni Only. Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:18:36 -0500 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: Oh Watchful Ones Amongst the Slaves -SJC If you blow up the attached photo - explain to stupid judgemental me as to why the hands are erased here????? The last person I will ever believe to be a braindead whore will be Mitchell - I often get an uneasy feeling about this woman that the rest of you miss - is she outclassed by the likes of Barbara Streisand for example????? Outclassed by any or an equal? Can she trust anyone? Is the picture meant to play with our minds, with the words - it is sickening enough to listen to all the self-proclaimed one hting or another - comments on anything and everything as if they constituted a common thread I want to reject the common thread but the failure for so many to see what common thread that is emerging is perhaps why pix like this one appears and no one notices i get extremely depressed and the instant soma one night stands dont cure it nothing does for i have seen this common thread of BABEL growing and I wonder... IS THAT HOW IT ENDS? WE BECOME BLIND AND CHATTER UNINTELLIGIBLY ( I HAVE SEEN THIS IN OTHERS FROM TIME TO TIME RECENTLY THEY LAUGH AND SPEAK AND MAKE NO SENSE AND CLEARLY TO THEM THE WORDS DO NOT MATTER) DO ALL THEN RESORT TO ANIMAL INSTINCT? AND AT SUCH A MOMENT, ARE THEY WORTH SAVING, IS LIFE WORTH CONTINUING IN? cant say i have ben less for having been a loner all these years but it gets harder and harder to have much hope when i see what all this social pollution has done to wedge itself in our ranks Will it be our children or our children's children staring at their stolen names? Too heavy? That is what the pied piper wants - is it God or the tempter speaking though it all? Yea too heavy and all I need to find is the strength to save up enough to move out of the environs of ground zero so I can die in dignity - it has me that concerned S. [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 021203rs.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:22:16 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: The Younger Generation Well, you have to admit that what's happening now in mainstream music is pretty horrendous. I'd take disco over this generic mumbo-jumbo any day of the week. At least you can dance to disco, get all hot and sweaty in a big afro wig and tight bell-bottoms. Disco is fun! Britney and Whitney and any number of other 'artists' whose names end in "itney" take themselves far too seriously. Hearing Brit say that she sees a lot of growth in her last album was gut-bustingly hilarious. Growth? Tumorous, maybe. Her popularity certainly spread like cancer. I've never tried dancing to "Hit Me Baby" and I never will. I enjoy the odd ABBA song. I enjoy some Donna, some Saturday Night Fever, some Gloria. I think that's mainly because disco is played with some form of intention behind it. Today's hit music is more or less just there to fill up air time. Even during the disco era there were songs to counterbalance its fluff - Joni was at the height of her career during the peak of disco. Now pop is so homogenous and bland that I swear it leaves my mind on permanent defrost. You have to dig pretty deep these days to find a relevant and interesting artist since mainstream culture celebrates a formula. And it's not one I'm all that eager to swallow. - -Andrew Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:26:23 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: oscars njc re: polanski- he was 43 & the girl was 13...he lived up the street from her...this happened in 1977 (8 years after his wife was tragically murdered)...he was convicted & fled the country when he found out he might receive a life sentence instead of no prison under a plea bargain...recently there was talk of letting him return to stand trial with a promise of no prison? i don't get it... read the recently released court transcripts of the girl's testimony here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicover1.html ******************************************* Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:36:29 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: I trespassed into the Casino at Asbury Park NJC In a message dated 3/24/03 3:29:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > much of it was filmed in & around the casino ... have you seen the movie? > > Yes, I have Kate and they make the streets of Asbury Park look like a war zone. Thanks for mentioning that. Love De Niro flicks Did anyone happen to see Bruce's Lonesome Day video, also filmed there...lol Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:06:02 -0800 From: Gary Zack Subject: The Crying Game/Brenda Lee NJC I confess to being a Brenda Lee fan for many years..... I have a CD by her called "The Crying Game" and the notes say: "Brenda Lee - The Crying Game - A new compilation made up of Brenda's great recordings of classic love songs: The Crying Game, written by Geoff Stephens, a hit originally for Dave Berry; No. 5, August 1964; more recently a successful inclusion in the film of the same name recorded by Boy George, hitting the charts UK and US. Recorded by Brenda, 24th October 1964 and released as a single January 1965 and included on the album, "Top Teen Hits" February, 1965." Had to let this out...... Best regards, Gary Zack >>Please, Vince -- no hard questions! >> >>I associate this song with the movie of the same name, which is about the "war" between the Irish and the British. It's not a peace song per se, but just because your precious Eminem didn't write it, don't be dissing it. I think my boy (George) wrote it. Where the hell are my meds? Why have I got a short little span of attention? I hope the Pope and the Dixie Chicks like me . . . >> >> >Ha! Dave Berry wrote the Crying Game (I think, he had the original hit >with it when Boy George was still fetus George) and I think the movie is >about what isn't and what is between Dil's legs and whether it matters. > Obviously you do not see sex where it is!!!!!!!! At best Crying Game >is a piece song - getting a piece of Dil was so central to the movie but >what piece would you get was the question! > >Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:28:09 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: oscars - now with added jc In a message dated 3/24/2003 6:47:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, AzeemAK@aol.com writes: > I'm not sure about this, but I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that Joni > > was approached directly by Allison Anders to write a song for the film; > then > I recall something about Joni not being able to come up with anything > suitable, until her cat disappeared and she was inspired to write Man From > Mars. I'm by no means certain of this, and I'm sure someone will know for > sure... > Yes, this is the truth-o fact-o. Joni was approached because of Klein's involvement in the film; Joni at first said no, because all she had in her was songs about how bad the music business was. Then her cat split, and the rest is history. Both Joni's original piano version, and Chaka Khan's version are much nicer than the one on TTT, although that one is pretty nice too! Bob NP: "War Is A Science" from Pippin Soundtrack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:26:27 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: oscars - Polanski njc It was strange for me last night to feel so happy for Adrien Brody and cheer wholeheartedly for The Pianist wins. You would think Michael Moore would have disgusted me the most ;-) but I have never been so horrified and repelled by the loud cheers and smiles and standing ovations for Roman Polanski. It was the lowest part of the night - perhaps one of the lowest parts of any Oscars - and I still can't get over it. Strange feeling no. 2 - I did not enjoy the movie Chicago but felt all but Zeta-Jones deserved the Oscar - especially Queen Laifah. Strange world no. 3 - a couple people at my Oscar party cheered wildly for Eminen's win and insisted he is pro-Bush (!) O-key. Speaking of Moore, Steve Martin's joke about the Teamsters loading him into the trunk of his limo actually was based a bit on true events. The LA Times today reported that several stagehands were loudly booing and jeering Moore and one followed him offstage yelling expletives. But Moore loves every minute of it. Ugh ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:01:23 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: oscars njc Vince wrote: > Whether Polanski was guilty of just a horrid mistake in judgment or an actual > criminal act, I do not know, but I have always suspected it was the > former. And at that time period, being a Holocaust survivor having gone > through the Manson killings losing his 8 months pregnant wife so > brutally, I can comprehend a person who was not acting as I might prefer > - presuming it was a horrid mistake in judgment in a consensual act as > opposed to a criminal act. Vince, I do not want to take anything away from his sufferings as a Holocaust victim and the horrible loss of his wife, and I do think he is a brilliant director and The Pianist is one of the greatest movies I've ever seen. Notwithstanding that, he has done, to put it mildly, inappropriate deeds, when it comes to young girls. He admitted to it all - the drugging and raping of the 13 year old girl and was assured he would get off by his Hollywood advisors. However, when the judge looked at it all, he allegedly commented to one of Polanski's friends that he was going to throw the book at Polanski and that is when he fled. I know of other information, also, but it would not be appropriate for me to say it here. But trust me on this one - he did not just have a lapse because he had lost his wife. It is unfortunate that he did not just do the time and make amends. Then his latest win would at least have a bit more honor. My estimation of Anjelica Huston, who was there somewhere in Nicholson's house as I recall at the time, and who was cheering so openly last night, has gone way down, I'm afraid. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:49:50 EST From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: Oh Watchful Ones Amongst the Slaves -SJC In a message dated 3/24/03 9:19:34 PM, smarcaurele@digitalproquo.com writes: > Yea too heavy and all I need to find is the strength to save up enough to > move out of the environs of ground zero so I can die in dignity - it has me > that concerned > > i'd say all you need is to have your med levels checked. sounds like its time for an itty bitty bit more thorazine... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:17:33 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: my favorite peace song THIS IS A TUNE BY EVERYTHING BUT THE GIRL-VOICE AND PIANO AND OH SO BEAUTIFUL-WISH YOU COULD ALL HEAR IT! The highlands and the lowlands Are the routes my father knows The holidays at Oban And the towns around Montrose But even as he sleeps They're loading bombs into the hills And the waters in the lochs Can run deep but never still I've thought of having children But I've gone and changed my mind It's hard enough to watch the news Let alone explain it to a child To cast your eye 'cross nature Over fields of rape and corn And tell him without flinching Not to fear where he's been born Then someone sat me down last night And I heard Caruso sing He's almost as good as Presley And if I only do one thing I'll sing songs to my father I'll sing songs to my child It's time to hold your loved ones While the chains are loosed and the world Runs wild And even as we speak They're loading bombs onto a white train How can we afford to ever sleep So sound again ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:55:09 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Peace and war songs (njc) In the 60s my favorites were Save the Country and Get Together. 60s songs that apply to now from my subjective opinion are the Beatles "Revolution" and Jethro Tull's "Living in the Past." Another Jethro Tull song that always stayed with me (and which is neither peace nor war but maybe a story for any soldier) is "Mountain Men" from "Crest of a Knave." There is something in it that must dredge up my Celtic roots. The poacher and his daughter throw soft shadows on the water in the night. A thin moon slips behind them as they pull the net with no betraying light. And later on the coast road, I meet them and the old man winks a smile. And who am I to fast deny the right to take a fish once in a while? I walk with them, they wish me luck when I ship out on the Sunday from the kyle. And from the church I hear them singing as the ship moves sadly from the pier. Oh, poacher's daughter, Sunday best, two hundred brave souls share the farewell tear. There's a house on the hillside, where the drifting sands are born. Lay down and let the slow tide wash me back to the land where I came from. Where the mountain men are kings and the sound of the piper counts for everything. Did my tour, did my duty. I did all they asked of me. Died in the trenches and at Alamein ...died in the Falklands on T.V. Going back to the mountain kings where the sound of the piper counts for everything. Long generations from the Isles sent to tread the foreign miles where the spiral ages meet. Felt naked dust beneath their feet. Future sun called winds to blow and the past and present hard-eyed crow flew hunting high and circling low over blackened plains of Eden. There's a child and a woman praying for an end to the mystery. Hoping for a word in a letter fair wind-blown from across the sea to where the mountain men are kings and the sound of the piper counts for eveything. There's a house on the hillside, where the drifting sands are born. Lay down and let the slow tide wash me back to the land where I came from. Where the mountain men are kings and the sound of the piper counts for everything. Where the real mountain men are kings and the sound of the piper counts for everything. Feel the naked dust beneath my toes while the future sun calls winds to blow and the past and present black-eyed crow flies hunting high and circling low between dream mountains of our Eden. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:55:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Koko Subject: Re: I trespassed into the Casino at Asbury Park NJC they also filmed a lot of tthe Sopranos there ... especially the dream sequences at the end of season II. - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/24/03 3:29:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, > kate@katebennett.com writes: > > > > much of it was filmed in & around the casino ... have you seen the > movie? > > > > > > Yes, I have Kate and they make the streets of Asbury Park look like a > war > zone. Thanks for mentioning that. Love De Niro flicks > Did anyone happen to see Bruce's Lonesome Day video, also filmed > there...lol > > > > Better ask questions before you shoot > Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit > It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. > That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away > > Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way > Through this lonesome day ===== Trade list: http://db.etree.org/koko "I DO know what my songs are about. Oh, some are about four minutes; some are about five. And some, believe it or not, are about eleven or twelve." -- Bob Dylan Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:12:12 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Moore is decidedly less in my book, was " njc MY BOY WON!" Yeah, he's good at being "anti". Where was his anger when the Kurds were getting gassed? Not a peep. Oh, yeah, he was lecturing GM about bringing jobs back to Flint, Michigan. Because, like, he grew up there, so nothing should ever change, and, like, GM owes everyone a job for, like, life, okay? Because, like, that's the way it was during his grandfather's day, okay? If we just return to the old ways, everything would be jake again. To me, he's simplistic, bordering on infantile. He has no solutions. He doesn't even debate. He's a whiner with a budget. Lama PS, I kind torn here. Last week I was replying to people off list but I'm kinda intimidated, Debra. Should I keep this stuff on-list or can I take it off-list if I promise to act like a gentleman? np: the lead out groove of Side 1 of the "The Trinity Session" LP. There are about 3 people on this list who fully appreciate what awaits me on Side 2. How to describe it? It's as overwhelming as the raspberry truffle at the Godiva counter at the mall, but longer lasting. DSK said, >>>>And Michael Moore won for his documentary and gave a speech so anti-war there was booing. You, go, guy!!! I was impressed.>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:19:02 EST From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: oscars njc In a message dated 3/24/03 11:49:42 PM, kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: > He admitted to it all - the drugging > and raping of the 13 year old girl and was assured he would get off by his > Hollywood advisors. However, when the judge looked at it all, he allegedly > commented to one of Polanski's friends that he was going to throw the book > at Polanski and that is when he fled. I know of other information, also, > but it would not be appropriate for me to say it here. > not that i would ever doubt you kakki, but i'm curious where you get all your inside dope? is it from the mouths of your apparently VERY indiscreet but well connected confidantes, or in the checkout aisle of your local stop & shop? how on earth do YOU know what polanski admitted to, let alone what his hollywood advisors told him...not to mention what the judge commented to one of his friends, in what was apparently a very grevious lapse of protocol and juris imprudence? and you hint of even MORE information?? if you're going to allude to it on an internet discussion list, what's the big deal with just coming out with it for all to see? let us make up our own minds on whether or not its appropriate. as i'm sure you know, many of the scenes and images in the pianist come straight from polanski's own experience, whose father and mother and entire family were rounded up and sent to concentration camps (where his mother eventually died) when the nazi's rolled into poland and began their reign of terror by exterminating the polish intelligensia. the man in the wheelchair, thrown from the balcony. the woman who smothered her crying baby in an attempt to conceal her presence from the germans. the mad woman wandering the streets, looking for her husband. the man licking the spilled soup from the filthy sidewalk. these are the things polanski saw, alone, on his own, with no one to care for him, at the ripe old age of SIX. this little boy, who escaped the warsaw ghetto and wandered the polish countryside, hiding in the forest, struggling to stay alive. alone, and SIX YEARS OLD! who managed to stifle whatever demons that nightmare left racketing around his psyche, only to have his wife and friends slaughtered by a notorious gang of psychopaths. whose wife, EIGHT MONTHS PREGNANT was stabbed to death as she begged for her life and the life of their unborn child. and yet he still, somehow, made great cinematic works of art, informing every one of them with his paranoia, fear, and a pervasive dread. i'm not here to be the apologist for roman polanski. thankfully, for him, he has no need for me to do so. because for those of us who think that art is, among other things, redemptive, his films do that all by themselves. he's a great artist, no matter how much pious gorge his name may cause to rise in your throat. if you can't seperate the art from the artist, then you should be consistent and throw out all of picasso's paintings, toss mozart's symphonies on the fire, relegate john lennon's music to the trash, erase all marlon brando's performances, ban the works of andre gide and jean paul sartre, and maybe take a real good look at some of the behavior of a certain joni mitchell. and that would be just the tip of a very big iceberg. roman polanski should not be held to any different standard of morality and socially acceptable behavior as anyone else. but i know i can't judge him, and i'm fascinated by the fact that you think you can. particularly when your judgements are based on innuendo and rumor, repeated as fact by someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who told you. ric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:36:43 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: TNT All-Star Tribute available, was Stupid Question Hi Mary, Welcome to the list. Good news/bad news. The bad news is that you can't buy the "TNT-All Star Tribute to Joni Mitchell" in a store. The good news is that you don't need to. I taped it in stereo from a digital cable connection. Since it's out-of-print, I'll make a stereo dub for ya if you follow these 3 guidelines: 1. Promise to never profit from the material. 2. Send me a blank VHS tape and 3. a note to remind me of what you seek. If you don't have the "Joni & James on the BBC" in 1970, send along a blank CD too. If you want more, there's lots where that came from. As a matter of fact, I'd skip the TNT show at first and go for the 4 VHS tapes of Joni's own tv appearances, Ashara's footage of the show of her visual art "voices", and even her childhood home in Maidstone, SK. For example, there's Joni on the Dick Cavett show the day after the Woodstock festival ended. How cool is that? If you want, I'll make stereo dubs of the "Refuge Of the Road" and "Come In From the Cold" videos for ya too since they are also out-of-print. They total about 1hr, 45 mins. Remember Mary, there are no stupid questions. You're only a "shy newbie" once. Now go buy some blanks and write me, off-list! And now a word about videos that put royalty pennies in Joni's satchel and subsidize flying the grandchildren into Los Angeles to see "Big Momma": The "Shadows and Light" video is available for purchase on ebay from a reputable guy in Hong Kong and it's a compelling document of Joni's jazz singing, the important collaboration with Charles Mingus, and some of the world's finest performances in the singer-songwriter universe. The "Painting With Words and Music" video is available right now for purchase on DVD in North America. It shows Joni dancing it up, some of her paintings, and tons of songs from the "Turbulent Indigo" era that I call "Intellect Engaged". Lama Mary in California asked, >>>Is there a video of the Tribute to joni that was broadcast April 16 2000? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #190 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)