From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #189 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, March 24 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 189 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: njc MY BOY WON! [dsk ] Re: Oscars (NJC) [] Re: njc MY BOY WON! [] Wall to Wall notes (2nd sending) [dsk ] Re: njc MY BOY WON! [dsk ] Re: Wall to Wall/My 2 Cents [dsk ] Re: Wall to Wall/My 2 Cents [Deb Messling ] Re: njc MY BOY WON! [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: njc MY BOY WON! [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: Wall to Wall notes [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #187 [JSerkes@aol.com] More W2W [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Oscars njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: njc MY BOY WON! [Jerry Notaro ] Re: I don't like this new mini-series (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: NJC /Steve Polifka pc ["mack watson-bush" ] oscars. apology ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Alternative Oscars njc [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Alternative Oscars njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] *****PARSONAGE LANE****** preorder now!!! ["Victor Johnson" ] Dark Cafe Days Amongst Us! [Susan Guzzi ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 03:05:06 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: njc MY BOY WON! Yes, it does feel good when someone you admire gets such an award. And, when someone you admire does not get an award, well, what do "they" know? It's just part of a publicity machine anyway. I heard Barbra Streisand being introduced and got distracted by something else so missed her comments. Sorry, Vince, can't help you there. I find it hard to pay close and unwavering attention to tv, especially awards shows. Maybe it'll be rebroadcast on cable or maybe someone else was paying close attention. And Frida got an award only for music? Salma Hayek's going to be steaming. I'd hoped it wouldn't, but I figured frivolous (what, there's a war on?) Chicago would get best picture because Academy voters usually go for the glitzy "feel good" shows, but what's with all those other awards for Chicago? And no best director for Scorsese? Big mistake there, I think. Adrien Brody's comments were very moving. Thanks for writing them out. It surprised me that he was willing to fight through the persistent music for more time to speak. Good thing he then came up with something impressively heartfelt. Debra Shea vince wrote: > > Thanks Debra for understanding my joy for Eminem - just so stunned still > and Streisand announced it (what bliss) and I loved the way she gasped > when she opened the envelope - did she say "oh my" or "oh my God" or > what, do you remember? Especially after they wouldn't let him perform- > > [snip] > > You know my experiences in making this film made me very aware of the > sadness and the dehumanization of people at times of war and the > repercussions of war. Whether you believe in God or Allah, may he watch > over you and let's pray for a peaceful and swift resolution" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:58:32 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: Oscars (NJC) Vince, You were the first person who came to my mind when Barbra Streisand announced Eminem's win. She looked pleased when she announced it. I am glad for Eminem, though I like the performance of Catherine Zeta-Jones and Queen Latifah. > Eminem got the Oscar - > and Adrian Brody won for the Pianist - > they got at least two things right - I am not sure I agree completely with that because this is the year when the people I secretly want to win, won! I prefer Catherine Zeta-Jones over Renee Zellweger in CHICAGO, and although I would be happy with Meryl and Julianne, the win of Catherine made me happier. Her campaign must have worked well. She is such a trouper. 8-months pregnant and all. I also was rooting for Chris Cooper who has been giving solid performances in many films, notably AMERICAN BEAUTY. And even if I was touched by Christopher Walken's sympathetic father role in CATCH ME IF YOU CAN, I was secretly wishing that Chris Cooper will get. Nicole Kidman's win was seen by some as surprising considering she only appeared 30 minutes in THE HOURS (as opposed to 33 and 38 minutes by Julianne Moore and Meryl Streep), but I always get the feeling that her presence was keenly felt even during the scenes she was not in. I like her performance in THE HOURS not only by getting that nose that made her unrecognizable, the way she rehearsed to write in the left hand to be true to Virginia Woolf and the wounded-crow gestures, and I belive in my very biased view that her performance eclipsed Renee Zellweger and Salma Hayek and even Julianne Moore's 1950s housewife. But was I pleasantly surprised that Pedro Almodovar won for original screenplay for TALK TO HER and Adrien Brody and the Japanese anime SPIRITED AWAY's triumph and Roman Polanski!!! I was a bit disheartened that Philip Glass' score did not make it (Elliot Goldenthal's score for FRIDA won) or Zhang Yimou's HERO which was trampled by Germany's NOWHERE IN AFRICA in the Best Foreign Language film or the loss of David Hare's adapted screenplay for THE HOURS. The performances were great but Caetano Veloso brought the house down with his song. And Olivia de Havilland and Peter O'Toole getting a standing ovation. Michael Moore's speech kicks ass major league! And I am racking my brains out thinking when was the last time a winner invited her/his fellow nominees onstage. Not since Vanessa Redgrave's lambasting the "Zionist hoodlums" did I hear boos. Not even Elia Kazan's lifetime Oscar generated boos (just respectful silence from some and applause from others). Chris Cooper was the first one to allude to the war by saying "peace" in the end. Gael Garcia Bernal went a step further by invoking Frida Kahlo to state his stand for peace. But it took a Michael Moore to really verbalize what others feel. And Susan Sarandon's peace sign followed. And Barbra Streisand's, and Adrien Brody's speech that brought tears to my professor's eyes, and Nicole's speech decrying the lives lost abroad, and even This guy Pierson (sp?). Gil Cates may have new presenters next year to replace those who "violated" the unwritten law of not saying anything about the war. It would be hypocritical to pretend that things have not changed. I like Adrien Brody's "one second please" admonition to conductor Bill Conti when the latter started the orchestra. Among the presenters, Mira Sorvino seems to be in another dimension, while Jennifer Garner is the love of my life from now on. Despite the things said about CHICAGO, I am not sad that it won despite my preference for THE HOURS. The years when FORREST GUMP and BRAVEHEART won took more than year to accept. Joseph in Manila (back to lurkdom) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:23:27 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: njc MY BOY WON! > And Frida got an award only for music? Salma Hayek's going to be > steaming. FRIDA also won for best in make-up. I think FRIDA's win for best original score is also a hotly contested one, considering we have Elmer Bernstein, Philip Glass and Thomas Newman as competitors. Elliot Goldenthal really immersed himself in period Mexican music and came up with something rousing and a tad revolutionary in some. Salma Hayek was visibly moved when the make-up awardee for FRIDA thanked her in a moving way. > I'd hoped it wouldn't, but I figured frivolous (what, there's a war on?) > Chicago would get best picture because Academy voters usually go for the > glitzy "feel good" shows, but what's with all those other awards for > Chicago? Catherine Zeta-Jones was/is good, I think. As for best art direction and costume, I think its well-deserved, although honestly I am not deep into those things myself, so if GANGS OF NEW YORK won best costume I assume that people who voted for it know what thay are doing. > And no best director for Scorsese? Big mistake there, I think. GANGS OF NEW YORK went empty-handed, too. Must be the backlash of Harvey Weinstein's pathetic campaign to vote for Scorsese. I like Martin Scorsese very much and even more so in GOODFELLAS, ALICE DOESNT LIVE HERE ANYMORE and THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST, but if its for his work in GANGS OF NEW YORK, I like what Almodovar did in TALK TO HER and Roman POlanski's THE PIANIST. Scorsese was the first (or among the first) to give the absent Roman Polanski his standing ovation. What it would have been like if its really POlanski who is there while the handcuffs are being put on him. Kiddin'. > Adrien Brody's comments were very moving. Thanks for writing them out. > It surprised me that he was willing to fight through the persistent > music for more time to speak. Good thing he then came up with something > impressively heartfelt. I agree, Deb. Brody surprised everyone including himself. He was visibly moved (his prolonged kiss to Halle Berry notwithstanding), and those last parts of his speech was most heartfelt and poignant. Loved the segment where the former Oscar winners were presented. My one regret is not seeing Vanessa Redgrave in between Luise Rainer and Julia Roberts. Joseph in Manila ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 03:26:33 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Wall to Wall notes (2nd sending) This is the second time I'm sending this since the first message sent hours ago hasn't shown up yet even though others have, so this may be a duplicate. The list is so quiet. Is all well with smoe.org? ********** Yesterday's music was such a life affirming celebration, reaching back through time as art can wonderfully do and erasing it (Chelsea Morning is HOW old?), and by its very being tying us all together and expressing hope for the future. There were performances that will be with me forever. I hope many of you were able to tune in at some point, and that a recording becomes available for everyone. It was interesting to me the way people inserted their comments about the war, without giving any speeches. Toward the end of the day someone mentioned that the artists had been told not to talk about the war, and yet many of them got their viewpoint about what's happening across anyway. Marathon man (and continuously charming, too -- how does he do that?) Jonicovers Bob took notes and I hope will soon give a detailed listing and reaction to what we heard and saw yesterday. At this point, for me, my thoughts about it are not very organized so I'll start with my favorite performance: Helga Davis, with an accompanying singer and small band, starting with God Must Be a Boogie Man (nice, sounded good, happy), then as she sang Beat of Black Wings, becoming today's Killer Kyle overwhelmed with all his complex feelings, then joining with the other woman who'd started singing Joni's Love, giving an emphasis to peacemakers, and as the song went on it became a demand and a plea and a desperate hope and urgent prayer for peace and (I felt) healing for Killer Kyle and all who are suffering. I was in tears by the end, as many people were, and Helga herself needed physical support from her co-performers. Magnificent. There was no emotional space between her and the music and the audience. Other highlights: Laurie Anderson's pre-Both Sides Now introduction; sitting calmly, with her foot she started a machine that made an eerie throbbing sound, and over that she said, with her own unique pacing, "to everyone who creates, create beautiful things now, and create... like there's no tomorrow..." Her version of BSN was very sweet, with her plucking what looked like a small electronic violin. Mingus Big Band doing Joni/Mingus songs and hearing stories from Sue Mingus. The Priest with a sexy Latin beat. Lucy Kaplansky's pleasing-to-me voice and demeanor. Gail Ann Dorsey singing Passion Play. Morley talking about Joni's elegant and subtle political activism. Garland Jeffreys' style of "having a good time" singing. The different instrumental sounds in the performances by Theo Bleckmann (who also mentioned that he experienced T'log as a moving anti-war statement), Don Byron and his group, and Burnt Sugar. The dramatically performed poem created from Joni lines (I imagined being in the beat poets era). Martha Wainwright's annoying-to-me start, saying things like "I really don't know this song but I've been playing it all day; and I don't have the cd so I don't know what it's supposed to sound like but I got the notes, so I'm going to give it a try." She was talking about Big Yellow Taxi!! The balls that girl's got! And then it turned out ok, with her playing BYT very slowly, and people singing along, and her whispering as we sang "I'm so glad you're all here." I found all of that oddly appealing by the end of her performance. Hearing Ute Lemper sing so clearly and effortlessly and with such power. Those were the things I enjoyed most. I can see already from what others have written that what I liked least (even hated!) were other people's favorites, and probably vice versa, so for now I'll limit my comments to this favorites/highlights list. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 04:22:33 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: njc MY BOY WON! jpalis@kssp.upd.edu.ph wrote: > > FRIDA also won for best in make-up. I think FRIDA's win for best original > score is also a hotly contested one, considering we have Elmer Bernstein, > Philip Glass and Thomas Newman as competitors. Elliot Goldenthal really > immersed himself in period Mexican music and came up with something > rousing and a tad revolutionary in some. I loved the music in Frida. It felt like an integral part of the movie (and of Frida's life) rather than added on top or intended only to push emotional buttons. The look of the movie was great, too. I especially like the way the courtyard's lushness changed depending on what was happening in Frida's life, and the innovative way her paintings were integrated into the scenes. > Salma Hayek was visibly moved > when the make-up awardee for FRIDA thanked her in a moving way. I missed that award acceptance. Salma Hayek had done so much campaigning for Frida, and seemed to have generated much good will so only the two awards is rather surprising to me. But, I guess, two is better than none. > Catherine Zeta-Jones was/is good, I think. As for best art direction and > costume, I think its well-deserved, although honestly I am not deep into > those things myself, ... It seems every year there's one film voters hook onto and vote for in many categories, when I'd rather the honors be spread out and more specific, such as art direction for Frida or sound for Gangs of New York, for example. > GANGS OF NEW YORK went empty-handed, too. ... I've heard Scorsese in interviews saying his movies aren't the type to win awards because his films are too violent and the academy tends to choose films that a lot of people can see. He also admits that he'd like to win an award after over 30 years in the business. I didn't think Gangs of New York had any chance for best picture, so was hoping he'd get best director, even though it would in part be for all the other work he's done also. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:03:26 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Wall to Wall/My 2 Cents Ken, That's great you were able to hear almost all of it! One thing I especially enjoyed about the show was the wide variety of styles and songs covered, and I could appreciate that even when I didn't like a particular artist's interpretation. > I listened to nearly all 12 hours over the radio and was left with the same > impression I had after the TNT tribute. Many of the performers sounded in > over their heads. Was that second banshee-wailing cover of Jericho somehow > more listenable if witnessed live? Because over the radio feed, it was truly > horrifying. That was Sussan Deyhim. I hated her singing, too, and was thankful the song was short (I don't think she did all of it) and that she only did the one song. Even watching her was painful. Her face contorted. Her chin did more than a little trembling. It was such a relief to me when she finally sang something outright. Then her voice had a rich deep sound, but then she'd go back to that other way of singing. Ouch. I couldn't stop watching her though. Other people had other reactions to her performance. The friend I was with was impressed because she was doing with her voice what a previous artist (Theo Bleckmann) had done with manipulating the microphone and other mechanical equipment. Then at dinner after the show, I learned that that style of singing is "throat singing", common to the Middle East (?), and is part of a great tradition, and that some people love the sound of it. Not me. It's interesting to know about; I hope I don't hear it again. > I noticed that operatic voice worked well for the Song to a Seagull > selections, but sounded comical on Hejira and reminded me of the sketch on > Saturday Night Live where the uncool music teachers perform contemporary > rock; singing and over enunciating. LOL! That's exactly the impression I had of Lauren Flanigan, who tied together five different songs. She even moved kind of like the Saturday Night Live singer in those comedy sketches. Two, even three, songs would have been okay because I liked the drummer and sitar player so there were some interesting sounds separate from her annoying voice. But five! with those forced segues. Too much. > I loved the performer who did Passion Play! She was right on the mark! She was great! That's Gail Ann Dorsey, a singer/songwriter whose day job, as she puts it, for the last 8 years is being David Bowie's bass player. I liked her electric guitar Wolf that Lives in Lindsay also. > The collage of car themed tunes at the beginning was nice, but again the featured > performer's studied style of singing strikes me as off. I much preferred the > background singer, who was featured on a swinging verse of You Dream Flat > Tires. Me too! That was Karen Mack, and her singing sounded "real" in a way the others didn't. Her voice was the most enjoyable part of that set to me. > Urge For Going sounded unrehearsed. I'd looked forward to Christine Lavin's set and was completely disappointed. She didn't seem to know the songs and so stumbled along, and even if she'd played and sung the songs flawlessly, her voice wasn't very interesting. It had no richness or emotion to it, that I could hear anyway, so I had trouble paying attention to her, even though Urge for Going is one of my favorite songs. > In all, though, hearing others perform these works makes me appreciate Joni's > talent even more. Hearing the wide variety of Joni's songs, all of them so expressive and finely crafted, makes me appreciate her talent even more. Then hearing singers making some adjustments so they can sing the song, and watching the guitarists (usually) struggle to keep up makes me realize how complex some of them are. In general, the artists who were most comfortable were the ones who re-created her songs in their own style rather than doing them as Joni did. > Her singing is just dead on all the time, effortless and > comfortable. It used to be. She's had to do her own re-creating lately, and she's stumbled herself when singing other people's songs. There was one song at the Both Sides Now concert that she had to get out the lyric sheet for because she could never remember the words, so I think a lot of her ease with singing her own songs is that she's probably labored over most of them and they're ingrained, and she'll have creative "giving birth"-type emotional connections to her work that other people never will. > I was really surprised and pleased at Sue Graham Mingus' > presentation. I somehow had the idea that she wasn't a big Joni fan. I did, too, as though they were rivals for Mingus' affection. I don't know where I got that idea. > Wish I could have been there in person, because it is inspiring to know that > Joni's recognition is growing. And any tribute to Joni is better than no > tribute at all. It was wonderful being there. Most performers took a great deal of care in their presentation, which to me showed how much they respect Joni and love her music. Some of them even stayed to hear the other artists. With a couple of exceptions, it felt like there was a lot of enthusiasm for the entire event from the artists as well as the audience. In the 33 years that Wall to Walls have been done, Joni's the first woman to be so honored. Other honorees include Miles Davis, Richard Rogers, Bach, Ravel & Debussy, Duke Ellington, Gershwin, Copland, Charles Ives, Irving Berlin... so she's in impressive company. I think she'd be pleased at that. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:42:40 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Wall to Wall/My 2 Cents To me, the most "Saturday Night Live-ish" moment was the guy singing Turbulent Indigo with The Four Bags: "oh what do you know about living in turbulent indigo-wo-wo." At 06:03 AM 3/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > I noticed that operatic voice worked well for the Song to a Seagull > > selections, but sounded comical on Hejira and reminded me of the sketch on > > Saturday Night Live where the uncool music teachers perform contemporary > > rock; singing and over enunciating. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:06:19 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: njc MY BOY WON! The Rev wrote: <> I think I am brainwashed. All I could think of when it was announced was "I am so glad for VINCE!! He must be SO happy!" LOL! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:13:44 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: njc MY BOY WON! Am I the only one who was disappointed with Chicago? All the hype, all the glowing reports... The songs alone were way too long. What am I missing here? Terry www.addconsults.com > Debra Shea, > still hoping Chicago does not get best film award and that Scorsese gets > best director... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:26:51 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Wall to Wall notes In a message dated 3/24/2003 12:33:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: > Marathon man (and continuously charming, too -- how does he do that?) It's way too easy when you're surrounded by the aura of Joni & the love & warmth of good friends! > Jonicovers Bob took notes and I hope will soon give a > detailed listing > and reaction to what we heard and saw yesterday. I was at first delighted that there was a very detailed program with all the performers & the songs they'd be doing, but then I soon found out that the order was being drastically flip-flopped. (Shades of Jonifest '01!) Anyway, for those who just want to know who did what, and just so you can appreciate the depth of the concert, here's a list of performers & songs, in their proper order: Sylvia McNair - Chelsea Morning Video clip - Joni singing "For Free" on the Dick Cavett show Sylvia McNair - California Laurie Anderson - Both Sides Now Jason Moran - The Priest Jason Moran/Alicia Hall - Woodstock Lucy Kaplansky - Carey, Willy Lorinda Lisitza - Cherokee Louise, Song For Sharon, Ray's Dad's Cadillac Helga Davis - God Must Be A Boogie Man, Beat of Black Wings, Love Stretto - Little Green Garland Jeffreys - People's Parties, You Turn Me On I'm A Radio Jane Ira Bloom - Woman Of Heart & Mind Morley - This Flight Tonight, River, Chinese Cafe Lauren Flanigan - (Medley: Song To A Seagull, Nathan LaFraneer, Hejira, Furry Sings The Blues, I Had A King) Gail Ann Dorsey - Passion Play, Wolf That Lives In Lindsay Ivy Austin - Little Green Christine Lavin - Urge For Going, Marcie Suzzy & Maggie Roche - A Case of You, For The Roses, Cactus Tree (w/Jennifer Glass) Bob Holman - Jonicento Luciana Souza - Blue, All I Want, Amelia, Jericho David Krakauer - The Fiddle And The Drum Theo Bleckmann - Refuge Of The Roads, Sisotowbell Lane, Sunny Sunday, Borderline Edie Carey - Night Ride Home Edie Carey w/ Anne Heaton - Slouching Towards Bethlehem Anne Heaton - For Free Julien Fleischer - Conversation Burnt Sugar, The Arkestra Chamber - The Jungle Line, A Strange Boy Dana Hanchard - The Wolf That Lives In Lindsay Elliott Sharp's Terraplane - Shadows & Light Gregory Douglas & Jeremy Mendocino - Court & Spark, Free Man In Paris Nora York - Both Sides Now, Sex Kills, The Fiddle And The Drum Melba Joyce - Harlem In Havana Carole Pope - Down To You, Raised On Robbery The Four Bags w/David Garland - Songs To Aging Children Come, Turbulent Indigo The Four Bags - Wild Things Run Fast, Help Me Fred Hersch - My Old Man, All I Want, River Greg Osby - Tax Free, Ethiopia Tamar-Kali - Silky Veils of Ardor Julien Fleischer - The Last Time I Saw Richard, The Circle Game Sussan Deyhim - Jericho Brandon Ross - Off Night Backstreet Mingus Big Band - A Chair In The Sky (Andy Bey - vocals) Mingus Big Band - Sweet Sucker Dance (Dana Hanchard - vocals) Mingus Big Band - Edith & The Kingpin (Julien Fleischer - vocals) Mingus Big Band - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines (Melba Joyce - vocals) Mingus Big Band - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat (Melba Joyce - vocals) Jenifer Jackson - That Song About The Midway, The Gallery Don Byron & Music For Six Musicians + 1 - The Priest, Dreamland Martha Wainwright - Roses Blue, Big Yellow Taxi Marc Anthony Thompson - Don't Interrupt The Sorrow, Hissing Of Summer Lawns Ute Lemper - Black Crow, Last Chance Lost, Love Video Clip - Joni sings "Chelsea Morning" on the Dick Cavett Show Obviously, writing a detailed review will take time, so bear with me. I'm supposed to be working! :~) Bob NP: Joni, "Amelia" from S&L ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:46:14 EST From: JSerkes@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #187 Went to the SymphonySpace show.... WOW. all I can say. It was a day of amazing muse. How lucky I was to be in NYC this particular weekend. The agenda was incredible. Artists were impeckable. I am so so glad I walked down on a Chelsea Morning. I always try and stay in Chelsea. Good vibe there. My favorite performance was Gail Ann Dorsey, an amazing bass player, who gets joni. gets her. so her interpretives were so calculated and excellent. "passion play, the the wolf who lives..."she plays for Bowie. Here is a partial list of performers... The Roches-Cactus Tree, A case of you, for the roses....by the way, for those of you who also love Nyro, the gen x tribute cd has them doing Wedding Bell Blues, so adorably... Sylvia McNair-Chelsea.... Lucy Kaplansky-Carey, Willie Garland Jeffrys-You turn me on, people's party Christine Lavin-Urge and Marce David Krakauer-The fiddle Carol Pope(what a treat to see this wild woman-Down to you and Raised on Robbery Mingus Band-great great great Bebel Gilberto-Blue Motel and Woman of Heart 11 hours wall to wall, more later...just beautiful. I am a "Lucky Girl" Jody L. Serkes Saint Louis MO. 314.991.9165 home 314.989.9898 work 314.378.6052 mobile jserkes@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:58:08 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: More W2W In a message dated 3/24/2003 8:46:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, JSerkes writes: > Bebel Gilberto-Blue Motel and Woman of Heart Except that she cancelled, so we didn't get to hear what would have been a wonderful set! Jody, you should have checked in with JMDL central, surely you saw & heard us. Bob NP: Joni, "Dreamland" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:14:07 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Oscars njc Three cheers for Michael Moore! For the first time, I stayed up to watch the whole thing (finished at 5am) - the joys of not having to get up for the old 9-5... Mike Moore's win was definitely the highlight of the evening: I don't think I've ever wanted someone to win an Oscar so much. And obviously he was going to say something about the war; I like the way he did it, gathering the other nominees around him and making the point about the strange relationship between "truth" and "fiction" - and he did get in a classically Moore-ish dig at Bush, something like "When both the Dixie Chicks and the Pope oppose you, you know your time's up." Adrien Brody's win was a great moment too, as he seemed the most genuinely shocked to hear his name announced. His speech was wonderfully all-over-the-place, and yet he managed to hold it together - just - and say some important things. And wasn't Halle Berry a good sport?? I bet she wasn't expecting to be snogged within inches of her life by an extremely emotional Mr Brody, but bore it like a trouper. I was really glad to see Chris Cooper up there too, a superb performer who's done some brilliant work, especially in John Sayles's films. So many of the names up for the statues this year were "the usual suspects". I haven't seen Chicago, and I don't know if I will (having an aversion to both musicals and Richard Gere), but was still slightly dispirited that it won quite so many awards. Still, how often does the best film award go to a middlebrow "safe pair of hands" rather than something really outstanding (I am thinking, for example, of Ordinary People winning over Raging Bull or A Beautiful Mind being preferred to Gosford Park)? For what it's worth, my choice for best film, out of the films I've seen and were nominated, would have been The Two Towers. Maybe The Return Of The King will clean up next year... Azeem in London NP: Paula Cole - Harbinger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:36:08 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: njc MY BOY WON! TerryM2222@aol.com wrote: >Am I the only one who was disappointed with Chicago? All the hype, all the >glowing reports... >The songs alone were way too long. What am I missing here? > Taste. Just kidding......... Jerry :-) I liked Chicago, but it was NO Cabaret. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:09:39 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: I don't like this new mini-series (NJC) > You can download a new recording of that very song at > www.jonathabrooke.com for free. Jonatha felt the song > had new relevance. I guess she's right. Thanks for the tip, Catherine. "War" has been playing repeatedly in my head the entire last week, and I sing it aloud (however badly) every time Mary says (in a sad voice), "Turn on the tv ... let's see what else we've bombed in Iraq." I've been wondering if Jonatha will begin performing this song in concert. Anyone know? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:20:04 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Alternative Oscars njc A few years ago the Guardian ran a feature listing the "alternative top 50 albums ever". The list was arrived at by veto-ing anything released in the last 5 years (recently released works tend to clog up such lists, something that applies to the oscars too), and then culling the "usual suspects", ie the albums that ALWAYS get picked, like Pet Sounds, Sgt Pepper, etc etc. Obviously, this process was highly subjective (and completely pointless, of course, but when has that ever stopped us guys making lists??), but the results was quite an illuminating list of overlooked classics. Anyway, I was thinking about some of the great films made last year that were comprehensively overlooked, either because they didn't have Harvey Weinstein thowing money around to get them noticed, or because they were released too early for the goldfish attention spans of some of the Academy voters, or for whatever other reasons - including that not enough people thought they were good enough, of course. So here's my alternative picks, some of which did get nominated, but didn't win. BEST FILM: Morvern Callar Dirty Pretty Things Lantana The Two Towers Donnie Darko BEST DIRECTOR: Peter Jackson (2 Towers) Lynne Ramsay (Morvern Callar) Phillip Noyce (Rabbit Proof Fence) Pedro Alomodovar (Talk To Her - I had reservations about it, but direction was superb) Christopher Nolan (Insomnia) BEST ACTOR: Chiwetel Ejiofor (Dirty Pretty Things) Nicolas Cage (Adaptation - the best thing he's ever done) Anthony LaPaglia (Lantana) Bill Nighy (Lawless Heart) Al Pacino (Insomnia) BEST ACTRESS: Edie Falco (Sunshine State) Samantha Morton (Morvern Callar) Audrey Tautou (Dirty Pretty Things) Kerry Armstrong (Lantana) Ana Lopez Mercado (Y Tu Mama Tambien) BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS: Jane Alexander (Sunshine State) Maggie Gyllenhaal (Donnie Darko) Kathleen McDermott (Morvern Callar) Rachel Blake (Lantana) Sophie Okonedo (Dirty Pretty Things) BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR: Benedict Wong (Dirty Pretty Things) Chris Cooper (OK, he actually DID win, but he deserved it) Patrick Swayze (yes really! For Donnie Darko) Robin Williams (Insomnia) Kenneth Branagh (Harry Potter & The Chamber of Secrets) Right, I'm done here, Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:31:29 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Stupid Question/ TNT video In a message dated 3/24/2003 1:36:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, mpredmore@att.net writes: > Is there a video of the Tribute to joni that was broadcast > April 16 2000? Hi Mary, not a stupid question at all. There is/was a video of this program, copies pop up on eBay of the video that was sent for Emmy voting, so you can get it that way, or I taped it live off the air when it was broadcast on TNT, so I've got a nice clean original(with commercials) that makes a good copy. I'm happy to make you a copy - just send me a blank tape + return postage + $6 to cover the cost of the dub, or send me $12 which covers all the costs and sends it direct to your front door. I have a paypal account if that's a help. Let me know if you're interested - of course the offer extends to anyone else who wants one. Bob NP: Joni, "Love" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:32:34 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Alternative Oscars njc Azeem writes: << So here's my alternative picks, some of which did get nominated, but didn't win. BEST FILM: Morvern Callar >> I don't know what the rules for Oscar nominations are, but I'm pretty sure "Movern" hasn't been released yet in the States. I loved the book, heard good things about the movie's direction and performances, so I am looking forward to the film. I went to see "Bowling for Columbine" last week and they showed a trailer for "Movern," so I guess it's on its way. Earlier, Azeem wrote: << I haven't seen Chicago, and I don't know if I will (having an aversion to both musicals and Richard Gere) >> That poor man. I can't look at him without seeing the ghost of that gerbil of urban mythology hovering behind him! As for "Chicago," I loved it and I, too, have an aversion to musicals. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:35:47 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Alternative Oscars njc A great list, Azeem. I concur that Insomnia was criminally overlooked. Have no idea why. Rabbit Proof Fence is one I'm certainly going to be on the lookout for. Everything I've read says that Jackson will get his due after the completion of the trilogy, so hang in there. Bob NP: Joni, "Sex Kills" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:40:33 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: A little more on J'Bro's "War" (njc) I said I wouldn't post on topics political, but having listened closely to the download, I just want to mention that Jonatha has played with the original lyrics a bit and, a result, made the song even more powerful. Have a listen. http://www.jonathabrooke.com/media/mp3/JonathaBrooke-War.mp3 Every morning I get up and I watch the war, watch the war And every morning it upstages all my favorite shows -- Donahue, and Hogan's Heroes Every morning I get up and I raise the flag, Salute the monument of those who gave their lives And I guess war's OK, it's just a little inconvenient, but it's better Than a video game ... it's better than the movies It's the American way, the new world order We hold these truths to be self-evident Well this is evident In the American day, you must give and I shall take, I will tell you what is moral and what's just Because I want, because I will, because I can, so will I Because I want, because I will, because I can, oh so will I Kill Every morning I get up and I watch the war, watch the war And every morning it upstages everything I know, everything I know ... 'Cause it's the American way, the new world order We hold these truths to be self-evident Well this is evident, yeah In the American way, you must give and I shall take, I will tell you what is moral and what's just Because I want, because I will, because I can, and so will I Because I want, because I will, because I can, and so will I Because I want, because I will, because I can, oh so will I Oh say can you see Because I can, so will I Kill - -- copyright 1995, 2003, Jonatha Brooke ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:47:07 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: NJC /Steve Polifka Why Steve Polifka! If you were here i'd muss up your perfect hair for that! Being from Texas doesn't make you a Republican, or a warmonger, there are millions of people here, but not all of us are rednecks... donna, (peaceful Texan) >>> "Steve Polifka" 03/23/03 08:52AM While Texans sit up building bombs, and making laws, and bars- They'd like to slam free choice behind us... (Did I say TEXANS? oops...) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:02 AM Subject: JoniDay,ProtestDay,WarDay > Hello, > March 22 was a good day for Joni fans at Symphony Space and while you who > could get in or listened on weak signal WFUV or via internet etc.,a lot more > fans were marching to protest the Iraq invasion on Broadway to Washington > Square Park.The protest was televised by WorldLinkTv on Ch.375 of Directv > Satelite and on other systems.Check out FreeSpeech.org and DemocracyNow.org > for details and independent views.... This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:00:31 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: NJC /Steve Polifka pc Donna wrote: > Being from Texas doesn't make you a Republican, or a warmonger, there > are millions of people here, but not all of us are rednecks... That one rankled my feathers as well. Temporarily in Wisconsin but have found pro-war sentiments much more profound here than in Texas. There are millions of we Texans that find George Bush and his policies deplorable. mack-wondering how things will go now that Americans are actually dying (and it wasn't just the big game after all nor a gold medal at stake) and still trying to figure out how he feels about this mess. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:11:21 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Oscars Azeem wrote: For the first time, I stayed up to watch the whole thing I tried but couldn't get past 5 minutes. With all deference to Vince, and must admit being happy for him when I heard the news, I don't share positive feelings for Eminem or his music. Conversation with Tod concerning it: mack-you won't believe this, Eminem actually won an oscar. tod-when were they on? mack-last night. tod-great. mack-you must be kidding. tod-you have your taste, i have mine. tod-joni mitchell never won an oscar. nuff said. - - pair of hands" rather than something really outstanding (I am thinking, for > example, of Ordinary People winning over Raging Bull In my opinion, Ordinary People was truly deserving while Raging Bull was nothing more than another one of those movies, one in a long line of Robert DeNiro playing the same part, again and again and again. I used to enjoy these awards shows but like someone else wrote last year, never again. Subjective popularity contests that invariably remind me of those cheerleading contests from my school days when the popular girl would always win over the seemingly unattractive girl with a few pimples. Great for the winner but not so for the rest and even though they have removed the word winner, to be more politically correct, that is what it means and all know it. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:14:07 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: oscars. apology followed the link. should have been njc, sorry joni onlies. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:28:49 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Alternative Oscars njc Reeeeaaaaallly Ethel? I thought your rousing rendition of "There's No Business Like Show Business" last night, was proof positive of your passion for the musical! And congrats on still fitting into that dress - I wonder how many of us could still do THAT! - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: As for "Chicago," I loved it and I, too, have an aversion to musicals. > --Bob Peace, Susan Damn that songs gonna be in my head all day now! Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:36:50 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Alternative Oscars njc Golden Eggs Guzzi writes: << And congrats on still fitting into that dress - I wonder how many of us could still do THAT! >> Thanks, but it was archival footage. XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:51:39 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: *****PARSONAGE LANE****** preorder now!!! First of all, I know the world is in a state of turmoil and war right now and I'm having as hard a time as anyone I guess but I hope to soon bring a ray of sunshine, peace and love into the world-that's how I've been surviving all along for the past two years, doing what I can to make the world a better place, and not succumbing to fear, uncertainty, and terror. In a weird way, it's almost fitting as I wrote "Parsonage Lane" the night before Sept 11, a day that really woke up the western world to the reality of terrorism, really bringing it close to home. What I hope is that "Parsonage Lane", the album, will wake people up to how beautiful the world can be, and stir up some wonderful, good energy that we so sorely need right now. Second of all, I want to thank Joni Mitchell because if it wasn't for her music, there would never have been a JMDL or a jonifest, I would never have gone to Topsfield, never would have flown out of Boston, never would have flown to New York for "Bobfest", and I could go on and on but I'll stop here and just say thank you Joni! Now for the details! We are now accepting preorders for "Parsonage Lane". Each copy is $15.00 in US dollars. And there will be NO SHIPPING charges. None!!! I know these are difficult times and hope this will help a little bit. This is for preorders only and includes all DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL orders, and is good for all orders whether you order 1,2,4, or any number of copies. Just send a check or international money order($15 for each copy) made payable to: Victor Johnson PO Box 43 Decatur, Georgia 30031 Parsonage Lane track listing: 1. Heavenly Eyes 2. Real World 3. Parsonage Lane 4. Carolina ( for James Taylor) 5. Master of the Ring 6. Broken Candles 7. September Bride 8. Accidental Angel 9. Wendy 10. Moonbeams 11. Boomerang Love 12. Scarlet 13. If the World Should End 14. Sailing Please email me if you have any questions...I'll continue to keep you posted but everything is rolling along and the artwork, which I saw today, is just breathtaking. I'm working six days a week at Whole Foods Market right now so haven't had much time to post but I hope everyone is doing alright and hope you're getting an opportunity to enjoy some of the beautiful weather we've been having here the past few days. best, Victor - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album, Parsonage Lane, coming this spring! Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:16:17 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Stupid Question/ TNT video KoversKing Bob wrote: <> I'm also happy to dub the following for blanks and postage or money equivalent for same for the following: TNT Tribute JMDL Video Tree #1 (2 tapes) JMDL Video Tree #2 (2 tapes) A Day in the Garden Joni Mitchell- Misc. Songs and Interviews (gift from Jonifest 2002) Sorry, I don't have the equipment to do PAL copies. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:50:25 -0000 From: "joe farrell" Subject: re: joni mitchell a woman of heart and mind njc Hi Mick, Perhaps if all of us Joni fans in the UK email the beeb they might buy. What is the email address? Lets get writing, you never know. Thanks for the info Mick. Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:31:54 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: I trespassed into the Casino at Asbury Park NJC rose, your photos look like stills for the movie 'city by the sea' (http://citybythesea.warnerbros.com/) with robert de niro & frances mcdormand much of it was filmed in & around the casino ... have you seen the movie? >http://home2.nikonnet.com/servlet/com.arcsoft.LoginNew?com=arcsoftBanner&aw p= index3.html&DIRECT=&USERNAME=rosemjoy&PASSWORD=nikoneditor_-1660354812&WHO=m e mberguest< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:52:53 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: new mini-series/ watch the war NJC - --- JMDL Digest wrote: > > > -------- > I don't like this new mini-series > [FredNow@aol.com] > > > Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 04:44:36 -0500 > From: FredNow@aol.com > Subject: I don't like this new mini-series > > Little Bird wrote: > > >>I guess everyone has been "Iraqified" of late, > sucked into TV land and its >>endless coverage of > live events around the globe. Every freakin' channel > > > Every morning I get up and I watch the war, watch > the war > And every morning it upstages all my favorite > shows--Donahue, Hogan's Heroes fred, you nailed it as usual...this song has been running through my brain since this action started. i played this on my radio show last week, along with some other gems like john lennon live in nyc doing imagine and give peace a chance, fiddle & the drum, and some others. i want to do a whole show filled with these sentiments this wednesday. can you all suggest some songs i might not have thought of? i appreciate it! off list is fine. alison np: ani difranco's new GREAT one...Evolve. Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:53:37 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Dark Cafe Days Amongst Us! Hey Everybody - Listen Up Please .... Especially those of you in the midwest or plannning to visit in the next month or so. I received an email today from Rob, one of the performers from "Dark Cafe Days" here in Chicago. It would be cool if we all wave hello right now, cause Rob has joined the list! OK not only that, but I have enclosed his email - so that I don't screw up the info - it looks like the Joni cabaret continues with an extension - so anybody for more Chicago festing let me know. The show is great as per my previous review and its a great environment as well. Rob hope you don't mind I passed this along, I did take out a sentence here and there. It would be fun in the spring to visit Chicago and see Rob and Alison and Anne perform this as well as they do! AND they are TOTALLY FUN! It also helps get Joni out there and in the mainstream view, or reacquaints people with her work. And any time we can recruit new admirers or recapture some old ones for The Queen of Mind Beauty - let's get it on! Cause we know if we want to see some of those faves (Blue Motel Room) become standards, we need people to hear it again and again and then they tell two friends and they tell two friends and so on and so on .... So welcome Rob and please feel free to post, I will be talking to you and seeing you soon! Peace, Susan Rob wrote: I have been telling everyone I know about you singing Blue as Ethel. Too funny. I wanted to say thanks again for comin' to the show last week. I'm glad you all liked it. We had some good press there this weekend. I think the Reader is going to feature us as the Critic's Choice this week. So Donna and Sue offered us an extension and I was hoping you could help me get the word out there to the Joni people. I subscibed to the "Only Joni" list - I haven't quite figured out the website or how to reply or post or anything. But I have enjoyed reading all of the stuff. Wish I would have been able to make it to the Wall to Wall Joni thing. Anyway - so next month (and probably May) Foiled Again is doing "Dark Cafe Days" Sundays at 9:00 PM - no show on Easter. $15 cover + 2 drinks. The drink part hasn't seemed to have been a problem for the true Joni fans! Raised on robbery indeed. Talk to you soon - hope you come back and see us again. Rob Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #189 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)