From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #187 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, March 24 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 187 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- I don't like this new mini-series [FredNow@aol.com] Chicago the song not the movie NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Ross and Martin at SUN! (sjc) [Thomas Ross ] JoniDay,ProtestDay,WarDay [Mark129@cs.com] Desperately Seeking Sharon -aka-The Bee Keeper (njc) ["Suze Cameron" ] Miles Davis is alive and he's a fish [Deb Messling ] Re: Joni TV Cartoon Reference (JC) ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: wall to wall joni report NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni in non-fiction/new cover? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: wall to wall joni report [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni TV Cartoon Reference (JC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Chicago the song not the movie NJC [vince ] I trespassed into the Casino at Asbury Park NJC [rosemjoy@aol.com] Re: Joni Mitchell Biography to be Broadcast on PBS ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedie] Joni and James Taylor ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: ProtestDay,WarDay njc [vince ] Joni Mitchell - A Woman of Heart and Mind ["Mick Mick" ] Interesting Couple (NJC) [Lindsay Moon ] Re: Joni Mitchell Biography to be Broadcast on PBS ["Steve Polifka" ] Re: JoniDay,ProtestDay,WarDay now njc [Randy Remote ] Re: JoniDay,ProtestDay,WarDayNJC ["chuty001" ] Re: I trespassed into the Casino at Asbury Park NJC [Mags N Brei ] Joni Wall to Wall [Seulbzzaj@aol.com] Re: njc MY BOY WON! [dsk ] Wall to Wall notes [dsk ] Re: njc MY BOY WON! [vince ] Stupid Question [mpredmore@att.net] Wall to Wall/My 2 Cents [KJHSF@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 04:44:36 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: I don't like this new mini-series Little Bird wrote: >>I guess everyone has been "Iraqified" of late, sucked into TV land and its >>endless coverage of live events around the globe. Every freakin' channel - >>even in Canada - war, war, war, war, war. Even channel 5! >>And in case you missed it PBS has a special on...the war. Every morning I get up and I watch the war, watch the war And every morning it upstages all my favorite shows--Donahue, Hogan's Heroes It's the American way, the new world order We hold these truths to be self-evident In the American day, you must give and I shall take, And I will tell you what is moral and what's just Because I want, because I will, because I can, so will I kill Every morning I get up and I raise the flag, Salute the monument of those who gave their lives And I guess war's OK, it's just a little inconvenient, but it's better Than a video game...it's better than the movies Because I want, because I will, because I can, so will I kill And every morning I get up and I watch the war, watch the war And every morning it upstages everything I know... Because I want, because I will, because I can, so will I Because I want, because I will, because I can, so will I Because I want, because I will, because I can, so will I WAR - Jonatha Brooke ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 04:49:33 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Chicago the song not the movie NJC vince writes: > I am very proud of my home town right now. I need to get myself some > sort of armband or something to make a statement at the Sox home opening > weekend - Many people are wearing a white scarf. > PS I changed the thread title for the hell of it. You have no idea what > a thrill it was to see Lake Shore Drive clogged with people. The last > time I was on Lake shore Drive on foot was when the Chicago police tear > gassed a Sly and the Family Stones concert at Grant Park - > damn it was > that really 32 years ago - now I feel old and depressed. I was there, Vince, but got out before the gas. Those days seem quaint compared to these. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 05:54:43 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Ross and Martin at SUN! (sjc) For those in the NYC vicinity: Our concert will include 'Our Song', which has the reharmonized chords to 'Woodstock'. Hope you can come! please pass this to interested parties. thanks Tom Ross *For Immediate Release* Ross and Martin at The SUN Music Company! Composer-performers Tom Ross and Jim Martin will give a concert of acoustic songs with texts by famous poets on Wednesday, March 26th at 8:30 pm, at the Sun Music Company, 340 E. 71st Street (between 1st and 2nd Avenues), New York City. Admission is $10. Jim Martin, accompanying himself on mandolin with his band Purple Martin, sings settings of poems by Louise Gluck, W. S. Merwin, and Emily Dickinson, among others. Purple Martin (with Julianne Klopotic, violin; Fredi Mali, bass; and guest artist Andy Teirstein, keyboards) creates dense textures which underpin Martin's keening tenor and arpeggiated mandolin style. 'Global jazz songs' characterize Tom Ross's work. The traditions of jazz, Africa, and India blend into songs with lyrics springing from Emily Dickinson, Mary Oliver and Pablo Neruda. From his performance-knowledge gained from Indian classical music, ornamented vocalese and tala rhythms are propelled by the African-American funk of Ross's jazz background -- he is a protege of guitar legend Johnny Smith and has played with Ornette Coleman's drummer, Ed Blackwell. Expect audience participation! -- Indian tala-clapping and call-response singing to mbira (thumb-piano) music of Zimbabwe. Please join us on Wednesday, March 26th, for an evening of sensual, funny and mystical music beyond category at the Sun, 340 E. 71st Street. * Tom Ross Mijazi Music (518) 372-2611 http://www.tom.rossweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 07:02:04 EST From: Mark129@cs.com Subject: JoniDay,ProtestDay,WarDay Hello, March 22 was a good day for Joni fans at Symphony Space and while you who could get in or listened on weak signal WFUV or via internet etc.,a lot more fans were marching to protest the Iraq invasion on Broadway to Washington Square Park.The protest was televised by WorldLinkTv on Ch.375 of Directv Satelite and on other systems.Check out FreeSpeech.org and DemocracyNow.org for details and independent views. But,those of you older fans who go back to Joni's early work including Songs to Ageing Children (Alice's Restaurant film),Fiddle and the Drum etc. should take some comfort that the music we grew up with still has social relevance. Our children and grandchildren are not creating as powerful songs as we did. Why do you think that is? Are we losing our best qualities to harmonize as each generation did from Yankee Doodle to Irving Berlin's Oh,How I hate to get up in the Morning to Eric Burden's War,What is it good for,absolutely nothing,and Bob Dylan's Blowing in the Wind? I don't want to bum you all out but as much fun it is to navel gaze about Joni songs,Joni romances and the Joni special on PBS April 2,the confluence of War and Music of either Patriotism or Protest is missing now.Sting seems to be one of the few artists who have blended world music themes and social concern.(Paul Simon,too) later,mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 07:39:22 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Desperately Seeking Sharon -aka-The Bee Keeper (njc) Hello All, My computer died and I am trying to update my address list. If anyone has Sharon Buffington's e-mail I would appreciate you passing it on to me. And Sharon, if you are still here mail me off list. Sorry for the bandwidth. Sue n.p. Class - Chicago soundtrack- London cast _____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB, POP3, Spam Filtering with LYCOS MAIL PLUS for $19.95/year. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus&ref=lmtplus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:11:07 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: wall to wall joni report My husband and I managed to sneak in a last-minute trip to NYC for the concert and peace march. We saw the the first 2.5 hours of the show, left for the march, and returned at 4 PM. Crowds were NOT big, unfortunately for Joni perhaps but fortunately for us, since we easily got good seats. Out of towners were undoubtedly scared away from the city. I liked Sylvia McNair's version of California. Also enjoyed The Four Bags' "Help Me Polka" and especially an instrumental version of The Fiddle and the Drum by klezmer musician David Krakauer. Saxophonist Greg Osby did beautiful versions of Tax Free and Ethiopia. Did you know that Tax Free actually DOES have a melody? In fact it's quite beautiful. We had to leave by 7:30. Can't wait to hear the report from the real marathoners. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:16:01 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Miles Davis is alive and he's a fish At yesterday's concert, WFUV DJ Rita Houston related the following: Rita met Joni for the first time at the Central Park tribute a few years back. Joni looked her in the eye and said, "Miles Davis is alive and he's a fish." Rita was understandably confused, since to her knowledge Miles Davis was dead and was not a fish. So Joni explained that she had visited an aquarium and a fish swam up to her and curled its lip up exactly as Miles Davis used to do, then quickly swam away. Joni said, "I knew it was Miles, because he shunned me." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:23:59 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: Joni TV Cartoon Reference (JC) Lindsay wrote: Caught this exchange from "As Told by Ginger" > >Hoodsie: " ... you don't know what you've got til it's gone." >Carl: "We're trying to write a song, not a love letter!" >Hoodsie: "It's from a song, Carl, a really good song. The kind that makes >kids cry." > >I always liked Hoodsie. He has a soul. My teenagers watch this show. They like it. I used to think it was lame. Now maybe it has redeemed itself. As far as SpongeBob goes, now that is classic. I missed "The Lost Episode" on Friday. Don't suppose you taped that did you? Sue n.p. Mr. Celophane - Chicago - London cast _____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB, POP3, Spam Filtering with LYCOS MAIL PLUS for $19.95/year. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus&ref=lmtplus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:21:48 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: wall to wall joni report NJC In a message dated 3/23/2003 8:11:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: > Crowds were NOT big, unfortunately for Joni perhaps but fortunately for us, > since we easily got good seats. Out of towners were undoubtedly scared > away from the city. > Thanks for our first wall to wall report Deb. As for *out of towners*, we went to one of my favorite local restaurants last night and in walks Rudolph Giuliani. I guess he's even staying out of NYC. I walked outside for a smoke, and over the shopping center speakers they were playing Joni's "Just Like This Train". As for another Joni music moment, I was in a home improvement store the other day, and they were playing Joni's "Troubled Man". Never heard that one in a store before. Looking forward to hearing more WTW reports. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:20:21 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in non-fiction/new cover? In a message dated 3/22/2003 2:09:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: > When coverkeeper Bob comes back from NY he can tell us > whether he has this one. Thanks for the heads up Randy...this one came out about a month ago, I kept my eye on Half.com and picked up a promo for a good price. Melissa does a good job with it...pretty voice, pretty song. She was supposed to be at W2W but cancelled early on as she fell off the program. Her cover kicks of #44, which is the volume I'm currently working on. #39 is up next, and I'll be announcing that in a week or so. Bob, having a Chelsea Morning in NYC NP: Bebel Gilberto, "Tanto Tempo" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:37:51 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: wall to wall joni report In a message dated 3/23/2003 8:11:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: > Saxophonist Greg Osby did > beautiful versions of Tax Free and Ethiopia. Did you know > that Tax Free > actually DOES have a melody? In fact it's quite beautiful. AMEN! Greg's set worked incredibly well, besides Tax Free he did Ethiopia, which was also excellent. Supports what I always claim that underneath the layers of production on DED lie some good songs. I'll be issuing a FULL report, of course, for those of who you are up for a review of a 12-HOUR gig (!!), but wanted to comment on your statement, Deb. And shame shame for not coming down to hang with us! ;~) Bob NP: Bebel Gilberto (who was on the slate last night but didn't play), "Samba e amor" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:41:13 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni TV Cartoon Reference (JC) --- Lindsay Moon wrote: > > Hoodsie: " ... you don't know what you've got til > it's gone." > Carl: "We're trying to write a song, not a love > letter!" > Hoodsie: "It's from a song, Carl, a really good > song. The kind that makes > kids cry." > > I always liked Hoodsie. He has a soul. Were you able to bite your tongue and resist the urge to preach the gospel of Joni to your kids at that particular time? (as in, "Hey, kids! Do you know where that line came from?" and so on. I always have a hard time with that, as there's nothing worse than being hit over the head with it. (There is hope. My 16-yr-old daughter has decided she prefers "old" music to modern stuff, her idea of "old" being 80s and 90s, but we're getting there.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:44:01 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: I don't like this new mini-series > Little Bird wrote: > > >>I guess everyone has been "Iraqified" of late, > sucked into TV land and its >>endless coverage of > live events around the globe. Every freakin' channel > - >>even in Canada - war, war, war, war, war. Even > channel 5! > >>And in case you missed it PBS has a special > on...the war. > Fred wrote: > Every morning I get up and I watch the war, watch > the war ... > > It's the American way, the new world order > We hold these truths to be self-evident > In the American day, you must give and I shall take, > And I will tell you what is moral and what's just [etc ] > WAR - Jonatha Brooke You can download a new recording of that very song at www.jonathabrooke.com for free. Jonatha felt the song had new relevance. I guess she's right. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:45:23 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Chicago the song not the movie NJC --- FredNow@aol.com wrote: > vince writes: > > > I am very proud of my home town right now. I need > to get myself some > > sort of armband or something to make a statement > at the Sox home opening > > weekend - > > > > Many people are wearing a white scarf. I saw an interview with Mike Farrell (formerly of M*A*S*H - TV version of course) on CBC Newsworld the other day. He was wearing duct tape on his lapel. And by the way, he is still one helluva fine-looking man, oh my! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:52:04 -0600 From: "Steve Polifka" Subject: Re: JoniDay,ProtestDay,WarDay I have avoided TV for 2 days- (fighting the flu, watching movies and otherwise depressed at the amount of warmongers in our country- the same who profess faith in 'GOD' and the Bible; who believe in the constitution. Do they remember what it is about?-lol.) Glad to know of all the protests and demonstrations. Cheers me up. Steve While Texans sit up building bombs, and making laws, and bars- They'd like to slam free choice behind us... (Did I say TEXANS? oops...) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:02 AM Subject: JoniDay,ProtestDay,WarDay > Hello, > March 22 was a good day for Joni fans at Symphony Space and while you who > could get in or listened on weak signal WFUV or via internet etc.,a lot more > fans were marching to protest the Iraq invasion on Broadway to Washington > Square Park.The protest was televised by WorldLinkTv on Ch.375 of Directv > Satelite and on other systems.Check out FreeSpeech.org and DemocracyNow.org > for details and independent views.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:50:29 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Wall to wall Joni Mitchell You'll not be surprised to know, Bob Muller did the complete the wall to wall Joni Marathon. 12 Hours of solid Joni covers! When will the boots surface? Whom ever recorded it, please step forward. We'll have discs flying from now until who knows when .......I think he deserves a standing ovation though.... Way to go Bob!!!! on a smaller note, you'll not be surprised ....Nikki & I didn't get there until 6PM ~rosie tired in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:52:41 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Miles Davis is alive and he's a fish --- Deb Messling wrote: >Joni > explained that she had visited > an aquarium and a fish swam up to her and curled its > lip up exactly as > Miles Davis used to do, then quickly swam away. > Joni said, "I knew it was > Miles, because he shunned me." Joni is such a comedian. I hope it was a joke. I think it was a joke. For someone who writes serious songs and who speaks so seriously about so many things, she can also toss off a good line, can't she? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:01:24 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell The highlight of the evening for me was The Mingus Big Band. Been wanting to see them for the longest time. they're set: Sweet Sucker Dance, Edith and the Kingpin, The Dry Cleaner from Des Moines, Goodbye Pork Pie Hat, and A Chair in The Sky Sue Mingus told us the story when Charles first met Joni and said to her, Hey I know you, you're that Hillbilly Girl or something to that effect. Joni stood there for a moment, not knowing how to react, then she started busting up. They liked each other immediately ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:09:50 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Chicago the song not the movie NJC In a message dated 3/22/2003 9:22:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: > I got > tickets for features Missy Elliott and 50" - way cool. 50 *inches* ??? Did you mean 50 cent? Was this a Freudian slip? :~) Bob np: Colorblind James,"Hi Fi Alphabet" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:13:55 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Wall to wall Joni Mitchell NJC In a message dated 3/23/2003 9:50:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, RoseMJoy writes: > I think he deserves a standing ovation though.... > Way to go Bob!!!! I wouldn't have missed it for the world, Rose...great to see 2 of my FAVORITE JMDL babes! I'm glad to know that you're not STILL driving around NYC wondering where in the FECK you are - LOL! Bob NP: ColorBlind James, "If Nobody Loves You In Heaven" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:26:23 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Wall to wall Joni Mitchell NJC In a message dated 3/23/03 10:13:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy writes: > I wouldn't have missed it for the world, Rose...great to see 2 of my > FAVORITE JMDL babes! I'm glad to know that you're not STILL driving around > NYC wondering where in the FECK you are - LOL! > thank God I found a service station when we came out of the tunnel!!!! I was on E!! Hey, I'm a Jersey Girl, now put me on that parkway south, and I'll give u the grand tour of the NJ shore ~rosie loving these Aussie reports of Bruucce stalkings/sightings Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:42:05 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: JoniDay,ProtestDay,WarDay >Sting seems to be one of the few artists who have blended world music themes and social concern.(Paul Simon,too) later,mark> Bono is doing his part. Dave Stewart (of Eurythmics) is in the midst of organizing a peace concert; he and Annie Lennox also released an album in '99 called "Peace" and helped promote Amnesty International on their tour. They're out there but they are far fewer than they used to be. And I've often asked myself why my generation of artists (age 25 or so) seems more concerned about image, vanity and being famous than saying anything really relevant. I like Rufus Wainright. Alanis has some interesting things to say - just wish she'd say it better. But of the guys and dolls my age, who happen to be on the music scene and on a platform of fame and fortune, are shiny, plastic people with vacuous brain cavities. For the older crowd, believe me when I tell you that a lot of us younger folks have noticed the decline in music, particuarly where its relevance to culture and social intrigue is concerned. - -Andrew Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 11:51:20 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Chicago the song not the movie NJC SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 3/22/2003 9:22:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: > > > >>I got >>tickets for features Missy Elliott and 50" - way cool. >> >> > >50 *inches* ??? > >Did you mean 50 cent? Was this a Freudian slip? :~) > > > No, it was a finger slip - which may be the same thing! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:45:45 -0800 (PST) From: rosemjoy@aol.com Subject: I trespassed into the Casino at Asbury Park NJC Hello JMDLers, Please come see my new photos of the Asbury Park Casino at www.NikonNet.com! To get there, simply click the address below and you'll be sent directly to my NikonNet photo album: http://home2.nikonnet.com/servlet/com.arcsoft.LoginNew?com=arcsoftBanner&awp= index3.html&DIRECT=&USERNAME=rosemjoy&PASSWORD=nikoneditor_-1660354812&WHO=me mberguest If that doesn't work, go to www.nikonnet.com, and click the "Albums" button. Then log in using the following information: Login ID: rosemjoy Guest password: nikoneditor_-1660354812 I hope you'll visit my album soon and don't forget to sign my guestbook! - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Learn. Share. Print. Inspire. NikonNet is a registered trademark of Nikon Inc. Copyright ) 2001 Nikon. All rights reserved ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:00:36 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Biography to be Broadcast on PBS This was most likely a prank. A new person "forwards" an email from a Joni-insider? This has our newly-repatriated [Don Rowe] written all over it! It's a funny present though, Don. Thanks. Lama, who's going to tape the American Masters presentation in S-VHS then turn around and buy the DVD. Sick! >>This is a brief and (sadly) not-handcrafted note to announce that a 90 minute biography for television entitled "Joni MItchell: Woman of Heart and Mind" will be broadcast nationwide on the PBS series "American Masters" on Wednesday, April 2, 2003. In most areas, the broadcast time will be at 9:00 PM. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:10:44 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni and James Taylor Hi Kerry, Yes, it's true. Joni and James were once "an item". On the newly-remastered Joni & James at the BBC in 1970, they finish each others sentences. [in several places] Several times. Often one offers an example. [And another example pops up in another voice.] It's quite obvious. [And charming too. Don't forget that!] Anyway, it's available when you send me: a.) a promise not to profit from this stuff. b.) 3 blank CD-Rs & c.) return postage. Now Kerry, go listen closely to "California" on the Blue album. Hear that opening lick that Joni plays on an Appalachian dulcimer? That's a straight lift from the patented James Taylor hammer-on catalog. She translated into a dulimer riff. I've never heard her discuss it but it's completely obvious to me. When the acoustic guitar joins in at 10 seconds, it's James. It's much easier to hear "California" as a duet on the BBC recording because it lacks the drums and slide guitar. This is the "fine mis-matching of a him and her" indeed. (Or is the "finest matching"?) Lama np: Tori on vinyl and the smell of English muffins from the kitchen From: "Kerry Berghoff" I thought I had read it somewhere that they were involved around the "Blue" time period and that a lot of that album referred to their relationship ending. Right? or merely rumor? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:14:56 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: ProtestDay,WarDay njc Prior posts: Sting seems to be one of the few artists who have blended world music themes and social concern.(Paul Simon,too) later,mark>Bono is doing his part. Dave Stewart (of Eurythmics) is in the midst of organizing a peace concert; he and Annie Lennox also released an album in '99 called "Peace" and helped promote Amnesty International on their tour. They're out there but they are far fewer than they used to be.\And I've often asked myself why my generation of artists (age 25 or so) seems more concerned about image, vanity and being famous than saying anything really relevant. Well, as predictable as Joni dissing the industry is me making an Eminem comment. The Eminem Show album spends considerable time speaking out against the current regime. The most brilliant of his raps is Square Dance - think of Bush being from Texas and an exaggerated Texas drawl from the Em dude - with Em it is always in his unique own way but his antiBush raps are scathing in their tone and the sarcasm ('this peace talk can cease") is not Em being anti peace but Em ripping into Bush for what Em feels Bush's policies are. I could give other examples but one is enough - and this isn't folk singing sing along stuff like in the 60s but in the idiom of the day Eminem makes at least as much if not more social commentary as anyone out there today. Vince [Eminem] People! (People!) It feels so good to be back (back) {*Eminem vocally scratching these lines*} Ladies and Gentlemen, introducing the new and improved, you know who.. chk-who, chka-er-chk-er-chk-er-chk [Eminem] Never been the type to bend or budge The wrong button to push, no friend of Bush I'm the center piece, you're a Maltese I'm a pitbull off his leash, all this peace talk can cease All these people I had to leave in limbo I'm back now, I've come to release this info I'll be brief and let me just keep shit simple +Cani-bitch+ don't want no beef with Slim Nooooooo! Not even on my radar So won't you please jump off my dick, lay off and stay off And follow me as I put these crayons to chaos from siance to siance, aw-er-aw-er-aw-eh-a [Chorus 2X: Eminem] C'mon now, let's all get on down Let's do-si-do now, we gon have a good ol' time Don't be scurred, cause thurr ain't nothin to worry 'bout Let your hurr down (and square dance with me) [Eminem] Let your hair down to the track, yeah kick on back (boo!) The Boogiemonster of rap, yeah the man's back with a plan to ambush this Bush administration Mush the Senate's face in, push this generation of kids to stand and fight for the right to say somethin you might not like, this white hot light that I'm under, no wonder I look so sunburned Oh no I won't leave no stone unturned Oh no I won't leave, won't go nowhere Do-si-do, oh-yo-ho, hello there Oh yeah, don't think I won't go there Go to Beirut and do a show there Yeah you laugh till your motherfuckin ass gets drafted While you're at band camp thinkin the crap can't happen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:40:30 +0000 From: "Mick Mick" Subject: Joni Mitchell - A Woman of Heart and Mind I wonder, does anybody in UK know much about buying procedures for TV? I asked the BBC and got this back. Do you think that if they got enough requests they'd actually buy it? Dear Mick Thank you for your e-mail regarding Joni Mtchell, A Woman Of Heart And Mind" In regard to your query may I say that there are no plans by the BBC, at present, to acquire the programme. Acquisition decisions are, however, always being taken and so this does not mean that the programme will not be acquired in the near future and I will register your interest in bJoni Mtchell, A Woman Of Heart And Mindb for the attention of the Acquisitions Department. Thank you again for taking the time to contact us. Regards Peter Brewer BBC Information _________________________________________________________________ Surf together with new Shared Browsing http://join.msn.com/?page=features/browse&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=74&DI=1059 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:14:31 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Wall to wall/ Paprika Plains Hello All Just checking in to see the reports (so few so far) of the wall to wall thing. I had to work yesterday and missed the entire thing on the broadcast. I am here in the studio waiting for Christina and Sam Price to show up (the other 2/3 of Paprika Plains) so we can have our final rehearsal before tomorrows gig at the Blue Nile. Hope everyone had a great time at Wall to Wall. Meant to tell you guys last week that Jack gave me a great boot of Ryan Adams and Elton John called Sweet carolina, recorded at the Grand Old Opry house April 2, 2002. Some great stuff. Also be watching for the premier of the new and improved Louisiana Jukebox on April 4, 2003. You can check us out at louisianajukebox.com. Later Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:26:59 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Interesting Couple (NJC) Just saw a story in one of my entertainment rags (People or Entertainment Weekly) that had a story that Diana Krall and Elvis Costello are now a couple. Not exactly a pairing I would have thought obvious (and I didn't realize he and his wife Cait Riordan were separated). She apparently wasn't aware of any of his work. She's got quite an education ahead of her ... kind of daunting I might think, although I know she's very talented she doesn't write her own songs that I'm aware of (and believe me, I'm not very aware of her work either). Hope they find some happiness. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:46:40 -0600 From: "Steve Polifka" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Biography to be Broadcast on PBS Jim, Don't we ALL do that??? Steve who's done it more times than not... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Biography to be Broadcast on PBS > > ...> Thanks. > > Lama, who's going to tape the American Masters presentation in S-VHS then > > turn around and buy the DVD. Sick! > > > > > > >>This is a brief and (sadly) not-handcrafted note to announce that > > a 90 minute biography for television entitled "Joni MItchell: > > Woman of Heart and Mind" will be broadcast nationwide on the > > PBS series "American Masters" on Wednesday, April 2, 2003. In > > most areas, the broadcast time will be at 9:00 PM. > > > > Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:41:24 +0000 From: colin Subject: belgium/ war njc Just got back from Belgium, look for dog sex again!Found two super boys. will definately send my bitches tothem. Also went o a Belgian dog show. It was packed-a couple of thousand. The talk was mainly of war(which is quite soemthing cos dog people onyl talk about dogs usually: what was almost universal was the condemantion of both the UK and USA. Oh and these people were not just Belgian but from al, over europe(we dog people travel). the TV I saw gave the same opinons too. I think it will take a lot to forget thsi feeling people now have about the UKUSA. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:06:15 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: JoniDay,ProtestDay,WarDay now njc Good websites noted. Worldlink has some great stuff. I've seen specials on Ravi Shankar, Brazilian features, etc. Anyone with Directv, check it out. The protests in SF and Chicago and elsewhere were covered pretty well this time. I had to laugh, though, when the SF channel went to a 'prowar demonstration' in Pleasanton (like it sounds, suburbia). It was, like 9 people waving flags. As to this generation, and protest songs, dude, change the channel! Get over there to the left of the dial where the public radio stations are, and you will find all kinds of excellent protest songs by the likes of Ani Difranco, Spearhead, and hundreds of indies like Jim Page that you've never heard of. Ani's 9-11 song is especially moving (Is it called "We hold these truths"?). I would be willing to bet there is more antiwar music now then there was during Vietnam. Yes, the sixties generation put out some fine music along these lines. The difference? There was no Clear Channel or MTV sanitizing the airwaves in the interest of the music busine$$. If you have trouble finding relevant local programming, you can listen to http://www.kmud.org online. They air Democracy Now daily at 11:30 (now 2 hours) and have highly politicized music and talk at various times throughout the week. Thurs @ 1:30pm and Tues @ 8pm are good bets for activist music programming. Or try Fri @ 9pm for a stimulating call-in talk show, or Thurs @ 9am for The Nation magazine. Also the Reggae show on Saturday night where you will find a large percentage of social commentary. RR ps War was by Edwin Starr (one hit wonder...I wonder...did they blacklist him after that or was that all he had in him?..). Eric Burden collaborated with the band War. Mark129@cs.com wrote: > Hello, > March 22 was a good day for Joni fans at Symphony Space and while you who > could get in or listened on weak signal WFUV or via internet etc.,a lot more > fans were marching to protest the Iraq invasion on Broadway to Washington > Square Park.The protest was televised by WorldLinkTv on Ch.375 of Directv > Satelite and on other systems.Check out FreeSpeech.org and DemocracyNow.org > for details and independent views. But,those of you older fans who go back to > Joni's early work including Songs to Ageing Children (Alice's Restaurant > film),Fiddle and the Drum etc. should take some comfort that the music we > grew up with still has social relevance. Our children and grandchildren are > not creating as powerful songs as we did. Why do you think that is? Are we > losing our best qualities to harmonize as each generation did from Yankee > Doodle to Irving Berlin's Oh,How I hate to get up in the Morning to Eric > Burden's War,What is it good for,absolutely nothing,and Bob Dylan's Blowing > in the Wind? I don't want to bum you all out but as much fun it is to navel > gaze about Joni songs,Joni romances and the Joni special on PBS April 2,the > confluence of War and Music of either Patriotism or Protest is missing > now.Sting seems to be one of the few artists who have blended world music > themes and social concern.(Paul Simon,too) later,mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:59:06 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Re: JoniDay,ProtestDay,WarDay now njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Remote To: ; Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 5:06 PM Subject: Re: JoniDay,ProtestDay,WarDay now njc >Get over there to the left of the dial where the public > radio stations are, and you will find all kinds of excellent protest > songs by the likes of Ani Difranco, Spearhead, and hundreds > of indies like Jim Page that you've never heard of. Ani's 9-11 song > is especially moving (Is it called "We hold these truths"?). It's actually a poem that I've heard her recite during her concert here and it's called "Self Evident." Here's a link to it from her website: http://www.righteousbabe.com/ani/l_self_evident.html Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:28:19 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: JoniDay,ProtestDay,WarDayNJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: Our children and grandchildren are > not creating as powerful songs as we did. Why do you think that is? I don't think that is true at all. The relevant subjects are different today. So are the relevant forms of music. I won't bore you with hundreds of examples but there are hundreds of examples. Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 16:26:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: I trespassed into the Casino at Asbury Park NJC beautiful, exquisite photo essay Rose..thanks for sending the link. love, moogs rosemjoy@aol.com wrote:Hello JMDLers, Please come see my new photos of the Asbury Park Casino at www.NikonNet.com! To get there, simply click the address below and you'll be sent directly to my NikonNet photo album: http://home2.nikonnet.com/servlet/com.arcsoft.LoginNew?com=arcsoftBanner&awp= index3.html&DIRECT=&USERNAME=rosemjoy&PASSWORD=nikoneditor_-1660354812&WHO=me mberguest If that doesn't work, go to www.nikonnet.com, and click the "Albums" button. Then log in using the following information: Login ID: rosemjoy Guest password: nikoneditor_-1660354812 I hope you'll visit my album soon and don't forget to sign my guestbook! - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Learn. Share. Print. Inspire. NikonNet is a registered trademark of Nikon Inc. Copyright ) 2001 Nikon. All rights reserved You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 16:52:56 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: JoniDay,ProtestDay,WarDay now njc > Ani's 9-11 song > > is especially moving (Is it called "We hold these truths"?). > > It's actually a poem that I've heard her recite during her concert here and > it's called "Self Evident." Here's a link to it from her website: > http://www.righteousbabe.com/ani/l_self_evident.html > > Kerry Thanks Kerry- I call it a song because she recites it dramatically against a musical backdrop on her "so much shouting so much laughter" CD (thanks gene).... Her wordplay is exquisite (you can download the mp3 at the above link) and I would put it up against Dylan or Joni in that regard-and of course I hold both of them in the highest esteem. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 16:56:56 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: JoniDay,ProtestDay,WarDay now njc Correction Randy Remote wrote: > > Or try Fri @ 9pm for a stimulating call-in talk show, Oops- it's Fri @ 9 AM on http://www.kmud.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:05:16 -0500 From: vince Subject: njc MY BOY WON! The Oscars wouldn't, refused to televise his song but he won - Eminem got the Oscar - and Adrian Brody won for the Pianist - they got at least two things right - my boy won! Maybe someday those who don't do the conventional shit but creatively explore new things will be praised and not damned as they work off the rough edges in search for meaning - as happened twice tonight - my boy won! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:24:26 -0500 From: Seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Joni Wall to Wall I stayed at the Wall To Wall from 11 AM to 5:30. I did not feel that the quality of performances held up to the same level that the first 3 hours did, but there was some really fantastic performances. Sylvia McNair is a cabaret singer, and sounded kind of corny singing Chelsea Morning, but did an interesting, somewhat bluesy version of California. While McNair's style is not my thing, one does have to admit that she has a great voice and technique, and yet one could tell that it was difficult to make the vocal leaps that Joni threw off so effortlessly. Yet, it was an admirable performance of the song. The real highlights for me was a vocal group called Stretto from Wagner College, who sang an acapella version of Little Green. The jazz pianist Jason Moran played The Priest. He was joined by Alicia Hall who did an unforgettable performance of Woodstock. By far, the most amazing performance of the 5 1/2 hours that I heard was by Helga Davis, who did a version of The Beat Of Black Wings that had everyone stunned. There were other very good performances by Morley, Laurie Anderson, opera singer Lauren Flanigan and Luciana Souza. If anyone on the list taped the concert (or at least the first 3 hours) off of the radio, I would be greatly indebted to you, if you would contact me, and hopefully we could arrange a trade. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:34:08 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: njc MY BOY WON! And Michael Moore won for his documentary and gave a speech so anti-war there was booing. You, go, guy!!! I was impressed. And Adrian Brody winning... that's great! Debra Shea, still hoping Chicago does not get best film award and that Scorsese gets best director... vince wrote: > > The Oscars wouldn't, refused to televise his song but he won - > > Eminem got the Oscar - > > and Adrian Brody won for the Pianist - > > they got at least two things right - > > my boy won! > > Maybe someday those who don't do the conventional shit but creatively > explore new things will be praised and not damned as they work off the > rough edges in search for meaning - > > as happened twice tonight - > > my boy won! > > Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 00:33:38 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Wall to Wall notes Yesterday's music was such a life affirming celebration, reaching back through time as art can wonderfully do and erasing it (Chelsea Morning is HOW old?), and by its very being tying us all together and expressing hope for the future. There were performances that will be with me forever. I hope many of you were able to tune in at some point, and that a recording becomes available for everyone. It was interesting to me the way people inserted their comments about the war, without giving any speeches. Toward the end of the day someone mentioned that the artists had been told not to talk about the war, and yet many of them got their viewpoint about what's happening across anyway. Marathon man (and continuously charming, too -- how does he do that?) Jonicovers Bob took notes and I hope will soon give a detailed listing and reaction to what we heard and saw yesterday. At this point, for me, my thoughts about it are not very organized so I'll start with my favorite performance: Helga Davis, with an accompanying singer and small band, starting with God Must Be a Boogie Man (nice, sounded good, happy), then as she sang Beat of Black Wings, becoming today's Killer Kyle overwhelmed with all his complex feelings, then joining with the other woman who'd started singing Joni's Love, giving an emphasis to peacemakers, and as the song went on it became a demand and a plea and a desperate hope and urgent prayer for peace and (I felt) healing for Killer Kyle and all who are suffering. I was in tears by the end, as many people were, and Helga herself needed physical support from her co-performers. Magnificent. There was no emotional space between her and the music and the audience. Other highlights: Laurie Anderson's pre-Both Sides Now introduction; sitting calmly, with her foot she started a machine that made an eerie throbbing sound, and over that she said, with her own unique pacing, "to everyone who creates, create beautiful things now, and create... like there's no tomorrow..." Her version of BSN was very sweet, with her plucking what looked like a small electronic violin. Mingus Big Band doing Joni/Mingus songs and hearing stories from Sue Mingus. The Priest with a sexy Latin beat. Lucy Kaplansky's pleasing-to-me voice and demeanor. Gail Ann Dorsey singing Passion Play. Morley talking about Joni's elegant and subtle political activism. Garland Jeffreys' style of "having a good time" singing. The different instrumental sounds in the performances by Theo Bleckmann (who also mentioned that he experienced T'log as a moving anti-war statement), Don Byron and his group, and Burnt Sugar. The dramatically performed poem created from Joni lines (I imagined being in the beat poets era). Martha Wainwright's annoying-to-me start, saying things like "I really don't know this song but I've been playing it all day; and I don't have the cd so I don't know what it's supposed to sound like but I got the notes, so I'm going to give it a try." She was talking about Big Yellow Taxi!! The balls that girl's got! And then it turned out ok, with her playing BYT very slowly, and people singing along, and her whispering as we sang "I'm so glad you're all here." I found all of that oddly appealing by the end of her performance. Hearing Ute Lemper sing so clearly and effortlessly and with such power. Those were the things I enjoyed most. I can see already from what others have written that what I liked least (even hated!) were other people's favorites, and probably vice versa, so for now I'll limit my comments to this favorites/highlights list. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 00:46:01 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: njc MY BOY WON! Thanks Debra for understanding my joy for Eminem - just so stunned still and Streisand announced it (what bliss) and I loved the way she gasped when she opened the envelope - did she say "oh my" or "oh my God" or what, do you remember? Especially after they wouldn't let him perform- dsk wrote: > >And Adrian Brody winning... that's great! > > > The text of Adrian Brody's acceptance speech after he shushed the orchestra for trying to tell him his time was up - Brody quieted them when his usual thanks were done and then he said (which is minus his last words salute to his friend in the service in kuwait): "There comes a time in life when everything seems to make sense. This is not one of those times, What I do know is that I've never felt this much love an encouragement from my peers and the people I admire. It fills me with great joy, but I'm also filled with a lot of sadness tonight because I'm accepting an award at such a strange time. You know my experiences in making this film made me very aware of the sadness and the dehumanization of people at times of war and the repercussions of war. Whether you believe in God or Allah, may he watch over you and let's pray for a peaceful and swift resolution" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:36:08 +0000 From: mpredmore@att.net Subject: Stupid Question Is there a video of the Tribute to joni that was broadcast April 16 2000? Mary in California P.S. Anybody willing to loan a copy of the CBC broadcast? (pretty please?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 01:48:12 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Wall to Wall/My 2 Cents I listened to nearly all 12 hours over the radio and was left with the same impression I had after the TNT tribute. Many of the performers sounded in over their heads. Was that second banshee-wailing cover of Jericho somehow more listenable if witnessed live? Because over the radio feed, it was truly horrifying. A handful of great renditions, though, particularly Mingus Big Band. I noticed that operatic voice worked well for the Song to a Seagull selections, but sounded comical on Hejira and reminded me of the sketch on Saturday Night Live where the uncool music teachers perform contemporary rock; singing and over enunciating. I loved the performer who did Passion Play! She was right on the mark! The collage of car themed tunes at the beginning was nice, but again the featured performer's studied style of singing strikes me as off. I much preferred the background singer, who was featured on a swinging verse of You Dream Flat Tires. Also enjoyed the jazz takes on Ethiopia and Tax Free! Urge For Going sounded unrehearsed. Kudos to the gorgeous piano playing on Down to You! Hooray for the Roches! In all, though, hearing others perform these works makes me appreciate Joni's talent even more. Her singing is just dead on all the time, effortless and comfortable. I was really surprised and pleased at Sue Graham Mingus' presentation. I somehow had the idea that she wasn't a big Joni fan. Wish I could have been there in person, because it is inspiring to know that Joni's recognition is growing. And any tribute to Joni is better than no tribute at all. Ken ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #187 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)