From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #184 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 21 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 184 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Wall to Wall logistics [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Suddenly, no tv NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Me and My Mojo [Jennymac48@aol.com] RE: Wall to Wall logistics ["Heather" ] Re: Suddenly, no tv NJC [dsk ] War and Woodstock [steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle)] Re: Joni and James Taylor [Randy Remote ] Re: Me and My Mojo ["chuty001" ] Wargasm-shameless peace promotion njc [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni and James Taylor NJC ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: Me and My Mojo ["chuty001" ] Random thoughts on how the world has changed overnight - njc [Catherine ] Re: Joni and James Taylor ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Random thoughts on how the world has changed overnight - njc [ It > feels so frivolous to be writing about it with the war having started. No way! Me & Dubya have a deal, he does what HE wants & I do what I want. The only difference is the cost; I spent $50 for a symphony space membership, he dropped $50 mil for an air attack on Iraq. I just pray that he accomplishes his mission quickly with a minimum of innocent lives lost. > The lines start forming about 9 am, with the doors opening about > 10:30. The seating plan is on their website, so if someone would like to > suggest an area to aim for that's fine with me. I'm hoping to be there at 9:00 - 9:30 to get in the queue. (I'll be the one in the rain poncho!) > Once someone goes outside, they have to stand in line again to get back > in. Once in, I plan on staying in. I'll smuggle in a couple of candy bars or something. I can go hungry if I have to; after all, one has to suffer for their art! :~) Besides, it'll make a late-night meal in the city that much more tasty... > I asked if there would be any Joni stuff for sale and was told probably > not, but the performers may be selling their own cds. Bob, maybe you can > find some more covers there! Maybe so...I hope so. Several of the performers there have cd's out with covers, I just got the Melissa Errico this week with Night Ride Home, it's very pretty. Mingus Big Band released a version of "Sweet Sucker Dance" last year that I haven't snagged yet, so this might be a good opportunity. The > box office guy recommended area restaurants/bars so I checked them out > while I was in the neighborhood and told Patrick L. what I > found. I > think he'll be making some suggestions on list about that. It WILL be a day of adventure, Debra. And it'll be awesome - we're in for some fine music, and dare I say that maybe Joni will surprise us and pop in? Boy will she be glad to see me! :~) I talked to Bobs Art last night, he'll be coming along later in the evening, and being a true Bob of spirit he's game for wherever the evening takes us. Thanks for the info - looking forward to seeing y'all soon! I feel like a fricking 5-year old on Christmas Eve! Bob NP: Joni & The LA Express, "Woodstock" (MOA) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:28:32 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Suddenly, no tv NJC > It may be time to take more seriously my get-out-of-town plan... You're always welcome at my house, Debra! Lori, 12 miles north of the White House : D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:55:11 EST From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: Re: Me and My Mojo Would any kind and brilliant soul please post the pictures in the 1998 article of MOJO magazine. I know we can get the text and 1 picture in the library on JMDL but I want to see all the photos! I mean "Joni lounging at home..." I live for! Thanks Love JennyMac ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:56:23 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Wall to Wall logistics Thank you for checking on all this Debra! With all the recent on goings of war, the Metro North line has beefed up security and people are told to expect delays. I am planning on going but am holding out till the last minute. The weather conditions don't help either. Maybe I should invest in a plastic poncho (or a Sears poncho -Zappa ;-) Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of dsk Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 1:35 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Wall to Wall logistics Here's more info about this Saturday's Joni Wall to Wall in NYC. It feels so frivolous to be writing about it with the war having started. Seems a good use for my anxious energy, though, so here it is. In case someone's missed earlier posts about this extravaganza, check this out: http://www.symphonyspace.org/genres/eventPage.php?genreId=1&eventId=287 Yesterday I went over to Symphony Space and talked to the guy at the box office. Becoming a member for $50 makes getting in MUCH easier. Membership covers that person and one guest. You can "join" via phone or in person through Friday. The box office number is 212-864-5400 and it's open from 11 am to 7 pm. On Saturday there will be two lines, one for "members" and one for "non-members". It's the non-members line that barely moves. When seats are available, members are let in first, and then people on the other line are let in. Since people can't become members on Saturday, they're really stuck in that line. Anyone who's in the members line gets to go in first. There will probably be a lot of activity inside, with people moving around and leaving at any time. One suggestion the ticket seller had for our group is that we pick out an area of the theater and try to meet up there. The lines start forming about 9 am, with the doors opening about 10:30. The seating plan is on their website, so if someone would like to suggest an area to aim for that's fine with me. I imagine the place will be packed all day long, but maybe not since it's the first weekend of the war and lots of people will probably stay home. And it's supposed to rain all day. Then, again, it's NYC, full of intrepid people who insist on doing what they want even when it's raining and there's a war on, so maybe not on the staying home. Plus, it's Joni's music! Once someone goes outside, they have to stand in line again to get back in. I spoke with someone else today who said the longest wait in the members line during previous Wall to Walls was about 1/2 hour, so, again, paying the $50 is a good idea; then if you do go outside it won't take long to get back in. If you're in the other line, it could take hours to get back in. Snack food is available in the building. Not very healthy food is what I was told. I asked if food could be taken into the theater, as in one person go out and bring back lunch for other people. Answer: only if no one sees it. I asked if there would be any Joni stuff for sale and was told probably not, but the performers may be selling their own cds. Bob, maybe you can find some more covers there! There are police all over the city, and some national guardsman in some of the more crowded places. There's even been a policeman standing on my corner for the past few days, with his radio squawking. Maybe he has one of those radiation or chemical detectors on him. I don't know if there will be any unusual security at Symphony Space. Probably not. It's at 95th and Broadway, and all across 96th Street at every avenue all cars and trucks going south are being stopped and searched, so there will be plenty of cops a block away. Plus, 95th is a couple miles from midtown so I doubt anything would be happening there. Anyone who goes into the theater, though, has as her or his first assignment to find out where all the exits are. That's prudent behavior no matter what's going on in the world. There's a huge anti-war rally planned for Saturday, with people gathering at noon at Times Square (42nd Street) and marching downtown, so that will tie up traffic all day, especially on the west side. Anyone driving in, or coming in by train to Penn Station, will need to plan around that. That's it. Sounds like a major adventure to me! I expect the music to be fantastic, and am thinking to start the day very early, get settled in, make a note of where all the exits are, then focus on enjoying the music with my companions, and ignore whatever jostling may be going on. The box office guy recommended area restaurants/bars so I checked them out while I was in the neighborhood and told Patrick L. what I found. I think he'll be making some suggestions on list about that. Debra Shea P.S. I'm leaving off the NJC; even though it's not directly about Joni, there may be Joni-onlies who could use the info. I hope that doesn't offend anyone. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:03:07 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Suddenly, no tv NJC Thanks, Lori :-) Somehow getting closer to Dubya's house isn't very comforting, although it's a better offer than going to my parents' house with a nuclear power plant too close for comfort these days. They have their own get-out-of-town plan. My favorite idea is my friend's offer; she'll come pick me up in her car and we'll head to Ohio, where she's from. In my imagination, nothing could go wrong in Ohio, wherever that is (I'm kidding about that, really, I know where Ohio is...). I keep paying attention to Mayor Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Kelly tell us how they've got it all covered. NYC may be the safest city in the US now, for the time being anyway. Never thought I wouldn't mind seeing cops all over the place, armored vehicles, automatic weapons... Stay safe everyone. My prayers go also to the innocent people in Iraq and all the military people and journalists in harm's way, and their families who are missing them... Debra Shea Lori Fye wrote: > > > It may be time to take more seriously my get-out-of-town plan... > > You're always welcome at my house, Debra! > > Lori, > 12 miles north of the White House > > : D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 19:10 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle) Subject: War and Woodstock Thanks to everyone who helped me with 'Life and times'copies and for the lovely welcome.I was fortunate to see Joni play in Edmonton 25 years after Woodstock and, with this awful war happening, have written another verse to try and maintain my optimism. It was how I saw it. I think I shall have a beer and go and sing it! I saw Joni sing one August and it was 25 years on And this song cracked through the night air on the whiplash of her tongue The chords rang hard and cynical, soft grey clouds hung in her eyes But I could still see butterflies Through Canadian twilight We sang We are stardust, we are golden And we've got to get ourselves Back to the garden Love Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:08:47 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni and James Taylor Kerry- Yes, they absolutely were involved around the Blue period- James adds his lovely acoustic guitar to some of the songs. (And Joni appears on a couple of his, as well). It's generally thought that the For The Roses songs are about their breakup. Try the search engine at the jmdl website for more info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/ RR Kerry Berghoff wrote: > Someone posted a comment about James Taylor's latest album, "October Road" > (which IS absolutely delicious, I'd have to agree.). My question is about the > past relationship between these two songstrels. I thought I had read it > somewhere that they were involved around the "Blue" time period and that a lot > of that album referred to their relationship ending. Right? or merely rumor? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:13:51 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: Me and My Mojo From: To: > Would any kind and brilliant soul please post the pictures in the 1998 > article of MOJO magazine. Here's a link Jenny http://www.geocities.com/dreamflattires/index.html?1048187028340 Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:21:40 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Wargasm-shameless peace promotion njc "Just Say No To War" is a song I wrote in 1991 (GWI) and recorded 3 weeks ago. It is available as a free MP3 at my website http://www.corryhanna.com One of my favorite anti-war songs, "Wargasm" is by L7 Wargasm wargasm, wargasm, one two three tie a yellow ribbon 'round the amputee masturbate, watch it on tv crocodile tears for the refugees wargasm, wargasm, one two three smutty bloody pictures, ecstasy blueballs waiting impatiently from alcatraz to lady liberty body bags and dropping bombs the pentagon knows how to turn us on wargasm wargasm one two three pit bull, pit bull, ecstasy wave those flags high in the air as long as it takes place over there [yodels courtesy of Yoko Ono] wargasm, wargasm, wargasm, wargasm body bags and dropping bombs the pentagon knows how to turn us turn us on turn us on, wargasm turn us on, wargasm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:31:44 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: War and Woodstock In a message dated 3/20/2003 2:16:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, steph@cix.co.uk writes: > We are stardust, we are golden > And we've got to get ourselves > Back to the garden This was especially cool given that I was listening to Ladies of The Canyon and when I clicked on your message Joni's "Woodstock" was playing. I LOVE it when stuff like that happens. Bob NP: Joni, "The Circle Game" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 20:02:20 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Joni and James Taylor "Randy Remote" wrote: > It's generally thought that the For The Roses songs are about > their breakup. Yes definitely. Just listen to 'See You Sometime'; "But you know I'm not after A piece of your fortune And Your fame 'Cause I tasted mine I'd just like to see you sometime" Also I've always thought that there is a Carly Simon kind of feel to Joni's voice on that album! Anyone else? Steve T NP: 'Tax Free' ~ Joni (I think DED is actually growing on me!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:08:52 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: Joni and James Taylor NJC steve wrote: <> a nice hot bath with some epsom salts should clear that right up. ;o) cindy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 20:21:20 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Joni and James Taylor NJC I think I'll have a shower then. No really all this forced listening is now paying off. Who knows CMIARS may be next or even Both Si...okay too enthusiastic! STEVE T NP: 'The Three Great Stimulants' ~ Joni (Come on you know you want to!) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Vickery" To: "Stephen Toogood" Cc: "Joni List" Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 8:08 PM Subject: Re: Joni and James Taylor NJC > > steve wrote: > < >> > > a nice hot bath with some epsom salts should clear that right up. > > ;o) > > cindy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:55:23 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: Me and My Mojo > From: > To: > > > > Would any kind and brilliant soul please post the pictures in the 1998 > > article of MOJO magazine. > > Here's a link Jenny > > http://www.geocities.com/dreamflattires/index.html?1048187028340 > > Chuck > Dreadfully sorry I forgot to link the page. It is there now. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 19:28:16 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Random thoughts on how the world has changed overnight - njc The world has changed overnight. There was major police and security presence all over gov't buildings today near Queen's Park in Toronto, where I work. The police were making their presence felt by jut being there, not doing much of anything at all. You don't notice it so much in the building where I work, because it's not an official "government" building, even though it is 80% occupied by gov't offices, the rest by a private art and design college. At a meeting I went to in the minister's office today, a security guard was posted right outside the door. I've never seen that before. And we're not even in this war. Had to go to another two-hour meeting today as part of the building's emergency preparedness group, updating procedures on what to do in event of fire, flood, bombing, biohazards and what have you. Before all we really worried about was fire. Now there's so much more to consider. After work, on the way back to where I park my car, I was walking down Yonge Street when along came a parade of war-protesters. They were all very young, mostly university students, but some high school kids as well, (and a couple of "old" people like me), carrying Iraqi flags and signs saying "Stop mad cowboy disease" and so on. A group of five or so people was holding aloft a bird made of sticks and coloured paper, sort of along the lines of a Chinese dragon (but a bird - possibly a phoenix? certainly not a dove.) There were some women pushing their babies in carriages, kids with painted faces and some people dressed in carnival-like clothing, chanting things like, "One-two-three-four, we don't want your f*cking war" and so on. All along the street, people were coming out of shops to watch and listen - and everyone was smiling. I walked along with them for a while grinning like a fool 'til I came to my turnoff. I believe they're down in front of the US consulate on University Ave right now - it's raining like crazy tonight. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:31:10 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni and James Taylor > Kerry- > Yes, they absolutely were involved around the Blue period- > James adds his lovely acoustic guitar to some of the songs. > (And Joni appears on a couple of his, as well). > It's generally thought that the For The Roses songs are about > their breakup. > Try the search engine at the jmdl website for more info: Although the CBC program was wonderful in many ways, one thing that really bugged me was that there was no mention of this relationship at all. They interviewed James and his commentary appears in a couple of places, but there is nothing about their affair which I always thought was a very important one for Joni. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:05:16 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: Random thoughts on how the world has changed overnight - njc > The world has changed overnight. IN our case here in the Philippines, the peso dipped to an all-time low of 1 is to 55 US dollars because of war jitters. Panic buying was not reported in the papers but we are all pani-buying. The day before the planned attack, I went to a local supermarket to buy a few cola drinks and I was horrified to see a long queue of people lining up laden with grocery products. Surely, this is not just a pay-day spree. It had to be something else. The UN just granted our president emergency powers and people are worried that she might use the occasion to impose martial law (the way Marcos did in 1972), or suddenly give powers to the military and the US troops in Mindanao to do a blitzkrieg operations, without regard to the ceasefire talks currently in negotations with the government and our Moro rebels. Things are definitely changing, too. Students in the University have this heightened awareness of things that may go bump suddenly anytime. People in the metropolis, too are a nervous lot. Just yesterday while I was holding classes, two low-flying planes passed by the academic oval that had 2/3 of the students jumping off their seats, and then realizing its a plane, they nervously laughed and went back to their seats. With the threats that the Mindanao wars will escalate in the Metro because of the all-out support of our government to the US-led war, bus terminals, malls, cinema, public places are strangely quiet. Generations later, I hope the people will not forget the atrocity of this war and not forgive the those who left long-lasting scars in our psyche. Joseph in Manila ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 00:36:33 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: FW: Joni marathon in NYC - afterwards debra has found, i think, a perfect place to serve as a meeting spot saturday night after the marathon. i quote: Another place, which is my first choice, is City Diner on the corner of Broadway and 90th Street. on the west side of Broadway, same side as Symphony Space so there's no way anyone could get lost. This is a big place, open 24 hours a day, serves alcohol and since it's a diner, has every kind of food possible. I talked to the manager there who said groups of 6-7 are usually seated at the big round table in the corner by the window. - --- This does sound fantastic, and i really appreciate debra's research. i think we should plan on it. as for the marathon, bob's info regarding membership priveleges makes the thought very attractive. i think i'll go up after work tomorrow and buy one. i'll be arriving at symphony space around 2 pm, dealing with whatever delay happens. i'll look around for listers. i don't know if i'll last the whole time (nine hours of anything kind of makes my teeth hurt at the thought.) but i hope everyone who's there meets us at city diner some time after 11 pm saturday. patrick np - adams, el niqo, which i just heard and saw live in its new york premiere earlier this evening. what a profound, amazing piece of music! plus, any time i get to hear dawn upshaw and lorraine hunt live is a keeper memory. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 02:21:48 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 21 On March 21 the following items were published: 2000: "Joni Mitchell Taps Orchestras For Tour" - AllStar Website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=472 2000: "Strings Attached" - VH1 Website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=475 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #184 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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