From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #181 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 18 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 181 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Back to T'log (NJC) ["Raffaele Malanga" ] test ignore njc [colin ] talk to me/dylan on joni ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: talk to me / jerks /njc/lucinda williams njc now ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: talk to me / jerks /njc/lucinda williams njc now [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] good? njc [colin ] correction Re: good? njc [colin ] RE: good? njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: talk to me / jerks /njc [Randy Remote ] Elvis and Joni [Randy Remote ] CPR concert njc [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: Channel 5 rhymes with jive [Randy Remote ] Re: CPR concert njc [Randy Remote ] Re: CPR concert njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Was March 17/Now St. Patrick Leader & "At Swim" - NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: CPR concert njc [Randy Remote ] Back to T'log, DED ["Rache A" ] Re: good? njc [KJHSF@aol.com] re; apologies for error, roscoe & listas (LJC) [Jkp1953@aol.com] Re: good? njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: Please share with ... NJC ["patrick leader" ] RE: Was March 17/Now St. Patrick Leader & "At Swim" - NJC ["patrick leade] Re: Was March 17/Now St. Patrick Leader & "At Swim" - NJC [Murphycopy@aol] RE: Joni marathon in NYC ["patrick leader" ] Re: Channel 5 [Deb Messling ] Re: Joni marathon in NYC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Talk to Me ["Kerry Berghoff" ] Re: Wall to Wall NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: DED ... [Michael Paz ] Re: Dark Cafe Days/Chicago Style [Michael Paz ] Re: DED ...sjc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Talk to Me [frasere@intergate.ca] (njc) Science Fair Project ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Dark Cafe Days/Chicago Style - NJC now [Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Back to T'log (NJC) well, I've got two CD players and the one Travelogue is on doesn't really work :-) no, joking: I do play Travelogue. Even my partner, who isn't really a Joni fan, loves to play The Sire of Sorrow out loud very often. Raf, London >From: Catherine McKay >To: Raffaele Malanga , joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Back to T'log >Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:57:26 -0500 (EST) > > --- Raffaele Malanga wrote: > >My copy of Travelogue hasn't moved from the CD > > player since last > > November! > >Meaning you listen to it all the time, or you just >forgot it was still there? LOL. > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stay in touch with absent friends. Download MSN Messenger for FREE! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:34:23 +0000 From: colin Subject: test ignore njc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:03:48 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: talk to me/dylan on joni janet wrote: >bob dylan was quoted as having said regarding joni's work (o'brien's bio.) "joni's got a strange sense of rhythm that's all her own". joni's unique rhythm, it's ability to be so unpredictable is certainly one of the signatures on her work, and the quality i most admire. < amen to that...playing it like joni does is a real challenge! her sense of rhythm is so cool but not easy to duplicate...i remember the rest of that dylan quote being something like 'joni is allowed to tell you what time it is'...brilliant! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:03:50 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: talk to me / jerks /njc/lucinda williams njc now ron wrote: >>theres another song about communication and trust which is just so special to me - from lucinda williams' "car wheels on a gravel road" "all i ask, is dont tell anyone the secrets, dont tell anyone the secrets i told you"<< oh yeah! i love that line & the way lucinda sings it... you just know she has some deep secrets! lol...i cannot wait to get her new release that is supposed to be amazing...has anyone heard it yet? i have dibs on reviewing it for our local rag & would love an early release if anyone has those powers! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:34:38 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: Channel 5 I hope I'm not being predictably Manhatt-e-centric, but I always thought that Channel 5 referred to what was then WNEW-TV in New York. Prior to joining the FOX network in the 90s, Channel 5 was WNEW-TV. (It's now WNYW-TV.) As was the case with smaller broadcasters, the Metromedia group was starved for its own programming during prime time and for a period in the 70s and 80s ran reruns of feature films from 8-10pm most weeknights. Of course, they were littered with commercials for local retailers like Crazy Eddie ("PRICES SO LOW...THEY'RE INSANE!"),and time compressed to the point of being nearly unwatchable. BUT, they dug pretty deep and played films that were rarer and more provocative than the networks' infrequent offerings. CC "Ghosts of the future, phantoms of the past... rattle, rattling in the spoon and the glass." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:56:09 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: talk to me / jerks /njc/lucinda williams njc now In a message dated 3/17/2003 12:03:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > oh yeah! i love that line & the way lucinda sings it... you just know she > has some deep secrets! lol...i cannot wait to get her new > release that is > supposed to be amazing...has anyone heard it yet? I'm anxiously awaiting it..."World Without Tears", it's got a release date of April 8. And an interesting side note, the VINYL release is scheduled for April 22 and will have bonus tracks that are not on the CD!! (It'll be a double LP). I've got that on pre-order, it was supposed to come out next week but got delayed. Regarding the aforementioned "Metal Firecracker" from 'Car Wheels'...yeah, I can identify with that one a lot. That record is easily on the top ten of the 90's. Bob NP: Joni, "Conversation" (Second Fret Sets) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:12:53 +0000 From: colin Subject: good? njc I am often criticesd by people who know me because I prefer to see the good in people and because I won't condemn people. I see nothing wrong in condeming peopl's beahviour or attitudes, but I don't think it right to condemn people as bad. I tend to feel compassion for people who do terrible things. However, I am finding it increasingly difficult to dismiss the views of these friends. I am aware that people are not always coming from a 'good place', that people can be cruel and mean spirited and self centred. A situation arose again to day where iw as disrespected and abused. I did not let it pass tho and stood my ground. I have an adult dog to rehome. I rarely make a charge as long as am sure it is a good home. Well, went around to the house to meet these people. they were not in. I saw immediately that they lived on a main road and had no fenced in garden. My dog is not going to live there. So the 'friend' who put me in touch got stroppy with me and accused me of being 'stupid' and then the woman who was MAYBE going to have the dog phoned me and was abusive!!!! The point, I never said they could ahve the dog. i said I needed to meet them. Secondly, what fucking right have they got to EXPECT naything from me? And why the fuck should I have to justify myself to them? am sick of this sort of disrespect. i am sick of the way people beahve and am sick of getting it the neck from ignorant people who think only of themselves. YET if I start to 'judge' people as 'good' or 'bad', where does the authority come from to do that? whos is to say i am 'good' or 'bad'? Myself? well i know people who think they are 'good' and they do and and say evil. They think only of themselves, don't care about others as long as they have what they want. If we think others don't come up to the mark, how do we know we do? Are we to think of ourselves and others as bad for the errors we make? If so then we are all fucked because not one us is error free. Do we say 'bad' only applies to those who 'think' and who are aware of their errors? Awareness can come at many stage in life. Just writing this , I can see I am not likely to change into thinking people are innately bad. But short of living as hermit, it is very difficult to avoid shit heads. I am hurt and angry and probably talking crap. But know you lot are used to it and will ignore it or not as you please. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:17:50 +0000 From: colin Subject: correction Re: good? njc colin wrote: > > Do we say 'bad' only applies to those who 'think' and who are aware > of their errors? Awareness can come at many stage in life. > this was meant to read do we say 'good' only applies to those who 'think' and are aware of their errors and make efforts to change? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:35:12 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: good? njc i see your point, colin. i believe that good or bad are very relative terms. philosophers have been reflecting upon these concepts for centuries and no one has come up with a way to determine whether someone's good or bad per se (including ourselves). i am often surprised at friends who have almost everything in common with me but who find some people NICE that i think sinister and BAD to the core. how can we differ so radically? i have come to a point in my life in which i give everybody the benefit of the doubt. it was either that or constant lack of trust. because of my trusting nature i have been had many times but i have also benefited from knowing some people better than my first impression would have allowed. i have also realized that culture plays a big role in people's attitude. and then there are objective instances (where no cultural assumption or circumstance except selfishness and bad intentions could justify their actions) in which people are downright mean, and i just give them shit then and there. but many times, arguments or situations in which i feel hurt or disrespected arise from simple misunderstandings (it has happened to me on the list and in my travels) so i often give people and myself another chance. i judge only on the grounds of evidence and the willingness of the other party to strike a balance. recalcitrance or persistent rudeness are however clear signs that it's time to kick someone in the ass and move on. wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de colin Enviado el: Lunes, 17 de Marzo de 2003 04:13 p.m. Para: joni Asunto: good? njc YET if I start to 'judge' people as 'good' or 'bad', where does the authority come from to do that? whos is to say i am 'good' or 'bad'? Myself? well i know people who think they are 'good' and they do and and say evil. They think only of themselves, don't care about others as long as they have what they want. colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:41:29 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: talk to me / jerks /njc kakki wrote: > It's hard to tell if Mr. Mystery is rejecting her > or bored or maybe he is highly entertained by it all and doesn't mind if he > can't get a word in edgewise! My sense is that she thinks it is more than that-like a blockage on his part that makes him withhold. After suggesting a rash of subjects they could discuss, and assuring him she would listen to whatever he would say, wise or silly, she throws a slew of questions at him: Is your silence that golden? Are you comfortable in it? Is it the key to your freedom Or is it the bars on your prison? Are you gagged by your ribbons? Are you really exclusive or just miserly? Then she admonishes You spend every sentence as if it was marked currency! It seems like she is trying to break through his wall. Then again, he could be like the guy in the bar in "Raised On Robbery" who just wants to be left alone and watch the game! RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:48:59 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Elvis and Joni Last night VH-1 aired the 2003 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Ceremony. When Elvis Costello & The Attractions accepted their award, EC listed his many influences as an artist, including Lennon & McCartney, Rogers & Hart, Holland-Dozier etc and finished with "and most of all, Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:51:33 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: CPR concert njc I just had to write some people who would actually care and say WOW, I saw CPR in Northampton, MA last night and it was so freakin' good! A revelation. And, fortunately, I didn't *meet* Mr. Crosby before the show. ; ) I haven't followed the band at all and went just to see croz and hear some CSN tunes, but I loved it all. My god, Jeff Pevar was incredible. The whole band was incredible and smiling and laughing and hugging and kissing each other. I think they must have been psyched the tour was coming to an end. They played for 2 and half hours straight and there were so many highlights, but my favorite numbers were "In My Dreams", a very CPR arrangement of "My Country 'Tis of Thee", a kick-ass version of Triad (a song I never really cared for - but this killed), and we got treated to 3 encores. No "Delta" unfortunately. Which I would have loved to hear, but I'm not the type to shout out requests. The burly man seated behind me, however, took the opportunity to yell "For Free!!!!" at the top of his lungs between each and every song, which made me chuckle. I'll go see these guys again any chance I get. Best show I've been to in a long long time. Jenny Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:57:52 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Channel 5 rhymes with jive James Leahy wrote: > I figured the only reason Joni chose "Channel Five" was because it rhymed > with the previous line: "given some wisdom and a lot of jive." I think she is much too conscious of her words to let something like that slide. I think the Five was deliberately chosen for some reason, maybe because it was a real channel she was watching, or maybe because that number held some symbolism to her, or both. If it was a rhyme of convienience, she could have used drive, alive, dive, hive, or live, or she could have changed the word jive. As a wordsmith, she seems to be very scrupulous in sculpting her lyrics. Even if it was a stream of consciousness thing when she wrote it, I don't see her leaving it in if it didn't precisely express her intention. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:13:36 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: CPR concert njc Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > The burly man seated behind me, however, took the opportunity to yell "For Free!!!!" at the top of his lungs between each and every song, Somebody should have stuffed a sock in his mouth! Must be an old fan. "For Free" was once part of Croz' rep in his solo shows, and he recorded it with the Byrds for their reunion LP. Glad you got to catch CPR - My brother caught them a few days earlier and said they were great. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:24:28 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: CPR concert njc In a message dated 3/17/2003 4:13:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: > Must be an old fan. "For Free" was once part of Croz' rep in his > solo shows, and he recorded it with the Byrds for their > reunion > LP. Not so fast, turbo...CPR has had "For Free" in their setlist as well. We've got a live 1997 recording in our Covers series. Now kindly pull the sock out of that gentleman's mouth and allow him to request Joni covers all day long! :~) (CPR has also done 'Yvette In English') Bob NP: "Little Green", Gerdes Folk City, NY, 01/67 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:31:12 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Was March 17/Now St. Patrick Leader & "At Swim" - NJC Our fair colleen Debra Shea writes: << Beannachtam na Fiile Padraig oraibh! Happy St. Patrick's Day to you all! >> Ah, sure and it's a great day to be Irish -- even if the other three hundred and sixty-four aren't! May you all be a wee bit Irish -- a little green, shall we say -- on this glorious day. Also, I'd like to thank our own culture vulture Patrick Leader for recommending the book "The Hours" so highly. Loved it, loved it, loved it. (The movie positively pales, but isn't that always the case?) And thanks, Patrick, for twisting my arm until I agreed to go to see the Mark Morris Dance Group while they were in Boston. I had a wonderful time. And now a little story . . . Since I was Maggie's beard for the evening, I got to go to the party after the performance. (Man, Maggie's organization sure knows how to put on the dog, but that's another story. The food was fantastic!) Anyway, at one point towards the end of the night I was bending Maggie's ear about a book I've been reading and loving called "At Swim, Two Boys," by Jamie O'Neill. (More on that in a moment.) So I brought Maggie over to the table I had been sitting at to show her the book. There was a married couple from Seattle who had just sat down at the table, and as I was showing it to Maggie, the woman said, "I just finished that book!" and then we raved about it until I had to leave. Well, I found out the next day that this woman -- a very smart, lovely and charming lady -- was Mark's sister! For those of you on the list who may be wondering what to read next, let me say that "At Swim, Two Boys" is perhaps the best book I have read in a couple of years. Briefly, it is the story of two 16-year-old Irish boys who decide to spend a year training for a long swim to an island off the coast which they plan to claim for Ireland the following Easter. But the year happens to be in 1916, the year of the Easter Uprising. Like Joyce's "Portrait of the Artist," this is a coming of age story. And the writer's wordplay and use of language -- along with the story's Ireland and Dublin content -- feels a great deal like "Ulysses." (I am not even going to attempt a review because anything I say will fall short. If you're interested, check out reviews on line.) Anyway, the "kicker," as we used to say when I was in advertising in New York, is that this is also a gay love story, and as such, this novel moves right to the top of the top of the gay lit heap, in my opinion. I have been putting the brakes on my reading of the book because I don't want it to come to an end. (And I am sure it will be a sad end, which is an Irish specialty!) So -- happy St. Paddy's day, everyone! And may the floor not rise up to greet you in the face as you fall off your barstools! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:31:34 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: CPR concert njc %^&(garbled)*&(hard to reply, sock in mouth)*% SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/17/2003 4:13:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: > > > Must be an old fan. "For Free" was once part of Croz' rep in his > > solo shows, and he recorded it with the Byrds for their > > reunion > > LP. > > Not so fast, turbo...CPR has had "For Free" in their setlist as well. We've got a live 1997 recording in our Covers series. > > Now kindly pull the sock out of that gentleman's mouth and allow him to request Joni covers all day long! :~) > > (CPR has also done 'Yvette In English') ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:30:22 -0500 From: "Rache A" Subject: Back to T'log, DED I still listen to Travelogue fairly often, but I still don't really like Refuge of the Roads and For the Roses on that. Refuge of the Roads, in my opinion, needs Jaco - on Travelogue it seems slow and it drags on and it just doesn't have the motion it had. For the Roses just shouldn't have that big a sound on top of the vocal - it just doesn't need it. As for DED, I actually only know a few songs on it...I finally found a music store that has it and it should be coming in soon. i only have it on a record, which I don't get around to listening to much because the record player (and about every other surface in our house) seems to be covered with something...and i posted this a couple days ago just wondering does anyone know if a drummer Vito Rezza ever performed with Joni? bye! --- Raffaele Malanga wrote: > My copy of Travelogue hasn't moved from the CD > player since last > November! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:08:38 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: good? njc In a message dated 3/17/2003 2:14:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: > So the 'friend' who put me in > touch got stroppy with me and accused me of being 'stupid' and then the > woman who was MAYBE going to have the dog phoned me and was abusive!!!! > The point, I never said they could ahve the dog. I am reading a great book called "Loving What Is" that aims to teach us how to bless situations such as these, rather than stew in anger and bad feelings. Now, I am not claiming the ability to be able to practice this after so many years of subscribing to victim mentality, but according to the author, Byron Katie, if you want to let go of these bad feelings, you could be thankful to your friend and this woman. They have provided you an opportunity to stand up for yourself, to strengthen your intention, and that is a good thing. They are supposed to be in your life at this time to give you this opportunity. True, it is very difficult to withdraw from the perception that you have been wronged. But while you can do nothing to change the behavior of others, you do have a choice in your reaction to their behavior. And I say, good for you for sticking to your guns about your dog. That shows perseverance and integrity! Good Luck Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:28:49 EST From: Jkp1953@aol.com Subject: re; apologies for error, roscoe & listas (LJC) wow. i was so enthusiastic with roscoe's take on "talk to me" a couple of days ago that i literally slaughtered my attempt to reference and comment. i'll get it right before i try that again. cut, copy, paste........whatever. tutorial from my son to ensue immediately. my most humble apologies to all, especially to you, roscoe (terry) that i fecked it up so badly. janet NP: laura nyro; gonna take a miracle :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:32:11 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: good? njc --- colin wrote: the > 'friend' who put me in > touch got stroppy with me and accused me of being > 'stupid' and then the > woman who was MAYBE going to have the dog phoned me > and was abusive!!!! > The point, I never said they could ahve the dog. i > said I needed to meet > them. Secondly, what fucking right have they got to > EXPECT naything from > me? And why the fuck should I have to justify myself > to them? You don't owe them anything and you don't need to justify yourself. You know that, of course. They don't deserve it. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:41:16 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Please share with ... NJC i'm so very happy for you, heather. rock on! patrick np - bernadette peters - children and art (from sunday in the park...) >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >Heather >Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 2:36 PM >To: Joni@Smoe. Org >Subject: Please share with ... NJC > > >me my joy and excitement! I just received my acceptance letter to attend >Yale. I will be starting the masters program in archaeology and, >hopefully, >specializing in archaeometallurgy. This is going to open a whole new life >for me! When I told my daughter she said she was going to get me >an Indiana >Jones hat and whip. Gee ... what do I need with another whip? ;~) > >I'm just so excited! I had to share :-) > >Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:31:25 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Was March 17/Now St. Patrick Leader & "At Swim" - NJC what a nice post! thanks, smurph. "culture vulture"! sheesh! when i worked at culturefinder.com i was known as the culcha pusher as in 'i got yer culcha right here." great story about meeting morris' sister, and i'm glad you enjoyed the show. mark morris dance group in new york the week after next, two programs, i can't wait!! i've been reading about 'at swim, two boys' for a while, but your praise has me more interested. will look for it. as for being irish, i think this is the worst day. always a bit embarrassed to be irish on amateur night. i thought the onion article was pretty funny: 'irish-americans gear up for 'the reinforcin' o' the stereotypes' http://www.theonion.com/onion3909/irish-americans.html patrick np - angela lansbury - some people ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:02:02 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Was March 17/Now St. Patrick Leader & "At Swim" - NJC Patrick writes: > as for being irish, i think this is the worst day. always > a bit embarrassed to be irish on amateur night. I agree! It's as bad as being gay during gay pride. It even has an embarrassing parade to go along with the celebration! - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:00:04 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Joni marathon in NYC paul and all: we have been posting about it. most of us new yorkers are going at some point, and we have a few out-of-towners coming. i think it's going to be difficult for listers to connect up (i can't get there until 2 pm, and someone has written that as the marathon goes on, there's a line to get in. some people have bought priority access, though the event is free) what i'm going to try and do is identify a restaraunt/bar near symphony space that could be a gathering place for listers that want to meet. after the event. also, some people are coming in for the weekend so we've been thinking about some kind of sunday activities. i've got a couple of thoughts: 1) the metropolitan museum of art. the place is huge, the best museum in the world i believe. lots of paintings (more than 20) by that van gogh dude. there's a nice coffee stand (with sandwiches and snacks as well) on petrie court that could be a meeting place. there's a temporary show of da vinci drawings that is amazing (though people who want to get into that should get there EARLY. we arrived at the musee at 9:15 on a sunday (it opens at 9:30) and there were tons of people there, but it's worth doing because later the da vinci show gets 2-hour lines and truly uncomfortable crowds in the galleries. the met is also pay-what-you-wish, and i usually drop a dollar. i go so often; they make their money off me. my proposal is that people who want to get together sunday go to the met and agree to meet at the petrie court coffee stand at 11:30. the people who want to get there early for the da vinci show can do so. the rest of us can sleep in. 2) this also looks fun. i just heard about it today. and $25 for a live music brunch in new york is a bargain. full disclosure: my company works with imani winds, though we didn't know about this gig. - --- I M A N I W I N D S and Friends, L I V E I N N Y C @ Swing 46 Jazz and Supper Club join us for a World, Afro Cuban, and Urban Classical..... Brunch Sunday, March 23rd two sets...1:30pm and 2:30pm Guest artists include: Rolando Matos-Morales, Diane Herold, Rob Susman and others $25 includes table, brunch and one set or... $15 Chill with a Bloody Mary (or two) at the Bar Swing 46 is located at: 349 W 46th Bet. 8th & 9th Ave. Phone: 212-262-9554 Bring a friend! - --- so if people are interested in this brunch, please let me know and we can make a reservation. if people like the idea of meeting at the met, also let us know and that will be the plan. patrick np - elaine stritch - i'm still here, preceding monologue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:23:03 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Channel 5 I agree with you! I know that I saw "Celebration at Big Sur" on one of the NYC re-run channels (5, 9 or 11) in the seventies or early eighties. I imagine that the ghost howling "so spooky for its eagle soul" was young Joni singing "Get Together." At 05:34 PM 3/17/2003 +0000, you wrote: >I hope I'm not being predictably Manhatt-e-centric, but I always thought >that Channel 5 referred to what was then WNEW-TV in New York. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:23:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni marathon in NYC In a message dated 3/17/2003 8:04:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, pleader@nyc.rr.com writes: > so if people are interested in this brunch, please let me know and we can > make a reservation. if people like the idea of meeting at the met, also > let > us know and that will be the plan. > Hey, this sounds like a lot of fun Patrick! Thanks for the suggestion. I'll pretty much be at the mercy of Mr. Sartorius, so maybe we can work out the plans before then. This is one marathon I have been training for! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:07:35 -0700 From: "Kerry Berghoff" Subject: Talk to Me This is my first posting, so I hope I'm doing this right! After reading the many postings about "Talk to Me", I had to go get my CD out and listen to it. I am sure I've heard it before, but this is probably my least listened-to album (next to Mingus) and I couldn't seem to remember it... After hearing it, I have to say that it does have some very nice guitar (reminiscent for me of the Hejira sound) but the lyrics seem to be more juvenile than the usual Joni tune (ie, "til I pissed a tequila-anaconda") and much less "visually inspiring" for me than her average song. And the chicken squawk has got to go! One of my favorite things about Joni is her ability to inspire such marvelous visual imagery - like she is painting in my brain (OK. That sounds pretty stupid, but I can't think of a better way to describe it...) A couple of songs that are very visual for me are "Harry's House/Centerpiece" and "Lessons in Survival". Anyway, those are my two cents for the day. Long live Joni! Kerry BGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:15:45 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Wall to Wall NJC Have a great time Bob and everyone else going to the W2W thingy. I still can't believe they did not pick Christina, Brian Thomas, or Susan Cowsill to do that damn thing. I will try and listen in on Saturday. Christina, Sam Price and I will be performing a Joni tribute show on Monday March 24th at the Blue Nile on Frenchmen street. I am going to try and record it. Have fun all. Love Paz > In a message dated 3/13/2003 3:37:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, > dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: > >> So any other ideas for Sunday? Jazz brunch somewhere maybe. > > That sounds fine to me...as long as I'm with my friends I don't care what I > do, let's just find a nice cafe and hang out. I don't fly back until 7:30 > Sunday night. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:20:43 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: DED ... Don Good to see you and your alterego back in the saddle again. I am still on the fence with DED. I like some of the songs (bust still not all), but I give it a spin every now and then to see if I have matured at all lately. I do like T'Log in spite of it all. Hell you think Muller would be just gushing with glee having all the those Joni covers of Joni songs! LOL! And I am also in the think Talk to Me is brilliant camp. I even had a conversation with Joan on this very song. And the pissing in the parking lot was from something that actually happened to her. Best to all Paz >> Here's why I say this ... Joni's work with the then >> darling of the recording industry, the Fairlight CMI >> (computer musical instrument) is every bit as fresh, >> innovative and daring as any of her alternate guitar >> tunings, and the counterpoint lines she uses (or >> directed Dolby to use, same diff)as engaging as >> anything on HOSL or DJRD. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:23:21 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Dark Cafe Days/Chicago Style I agree profusely! Thanks so much Susan for sharing your story with us. Wish I could have been there. I have a dear friend in Chicago I need to hook you up with sometime. She is a lot of fun and I am suppose to see her soon. She keeps telling me about some crazy act up there called Patti Elvis. Glas you all had a good time in the Closet (kinky!!!) Love Paz (Ethyl wannabe) > I offer up this challenge to any of you who have never attended a Jonifest, > minifest, Paz fest or > simply met up with any other list members ... JUST DO IT! I dare you not to > have a great time and > not feel a part of some secret society! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:26:36 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: DED ...sjc In a message dated 3/17/03 11:19:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, michael@thepazgroup.com writes: > And the pissing in the parking lot was from > something that actually happened to her. > Was she at a Bruce Springsteen tailgate party? Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:37:07 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: Talk to Me Quoting Kerry Berghoff : > This is my first posting, so I hope I'm doing this right! Hi Kerry! Welcome to the list! And yes, you did it correctly. Hope we hear more from you- please chime in! I am curious about your e-mail address- any Joni connection there? Best, Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:04:24 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (njc) Science Fair Project - -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:16 PM Subject: Re: science fair project Portola, CA USA Hi, I am Lauren Selking, a student at C. Roy Carmichael Elementary School, in Portola, CA,(population 2050). I am working on my 2003 science fair project. I am trying to see where, and how fast e-mail will travel in a period of four weeks. I am keeping track of how many e- mails I get back, and what cities, states, and countries they are coming from. I hope that you will be willing to help me with my project!!! There are 2 steps: 1. Please send an e-mail to the following address: dollyneeyore@hotmail.com In the subject line of your e-mail please include your city, state, and country. You do not need to include your name. Please respond only one time. 2. PLEASE forward this e-mail to everyone on your mailing list. I will be keeping track of the number of responses, as well as the location. Therefore, send them even to people in the same town. In my science fair project I am trying to demonstrate how fast and how far information can travel over the internet in a four week period. My project will end on March 27th, so please disregard this message if you receive it after that date. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP AND PARTICIPATION!!!!!! Lauren Selking ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:11:46 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Dark Cafe Days/Chicago Style - NJC now Hey Paz, Wish you could have been here as well! I think I have told you this before, but I know Patti Elvis too, not well but some. In fact I sat shivah (sp) with her awhile back and we talked a bit. I heard she is going to be art of Big Goddess Pow Wow here at the end of the month. Which includes some of the best women performance artists around, and my Robin used to be a part of. So I will be seeing her soon. Come on over Paz, I'll take you into my "Closet." We'll sing Ethel all nite! Peace, Susan - --- Michael Paz wrote: > I agree profusely! Thanks so much Susan for sharing your story with us. Wish > I could have been there. I have a dear friend in Chicago I need to hook you > up with sometime. She is a lot of fun and I am suppose to see her soon. She > keeps telling me about some crazy act up there called Patti Elvis. Glas you > all had a good time in the Closet (kinky!!!) > > Love > > Paz (Ethyl wannabe) > > > > > > I offer up this challenge to any of you who have never attended a Jonifest, > > minifest, Paz fest or > > simply met up with any other list members ... JUST DO IT! I dare you not to > > have a great time and > > not feel a part of some secret society! Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:03:33 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 18 1997: The AllStar website reported: "Speaking of classic rock, some old familiar faces showed up at the launch party for the new magazine Entertainment at Home at the swank Beverly Hills restaurant Chasen's. Joni Mitchell and former Steely Dan guitarist Jeff "Skunk" Baxter were among the celebs hamming it up." - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:03:33 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 18 On March 18 the following item was published: 1998: "Joni Mitchell, Van Morrison will join Dylan on West Coast tour" - San Diego Union-Tribune (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=322 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #181 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)