From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #180 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, March 17 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 180 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: talk to me / jerks /njc ["kakki" ] Re: Chinese Cafe [colin ] Re: talk to me / jerks /njc [colin ] Re: Joni mention on NPR, Refuge of the Roads tidbit [colin ] Re: Another viewpoint on current world affairs NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: talk to me / jerks /njc [Catherine McKay ] Dark Cafe Days/Chicago Style ["kerry" ] "The ghost of my old ideals" ["Mary E. Pitassi" ] RE: Please share with ... NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Life and Times [steph@cix.co.uk (stephanie daniels)] Re: "The ghost of my old ideals" [Merk54@aol.com] Re: "The ghost of my old ideals" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] talk to me [Jkp1953@aol.com] Re: Paz- a new online game NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: "The ghost of my old ideals" ["Mark or Travis" ] Joni marathon in NYC ["PAUL PETERSON" ] Re: talk to me / jerks /njc ["ron" ] Re: talk to me / jerks /njc ["ron" ] Re: talk to me / jerks /njc ["ron" ] HAppy ST Patricks DAY ["robin mortlock" ] Was "The ghost of my old ideals" now "The way it is" [Catherine McKay ] njc bad news good news [vince ] Re: njc bad news good news [Catherine McKay ] Re: talk to me / jerks /njc [colin ] Re: Please share with ... NJC [colin ] Re: Paz- a new online game NJC ["Steve Polifka" ] Today in History: March 17 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: March 17 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:55:10 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: talk to me / jerks /njc Wow Ron - very good points. I've been on the other side of the same situation a few times - only in dating relationships, but even then the relationships were marred for me forever. I know how it can shut you right up, and then future communication becomes more and more stilted because of the erosion of trust. I always kind of identified with "Talk to Me" in that I can be overly talky like Joni at times. Mind goes a mile a minute and you go from one subject to another and before you know it it is 4 in the morning Luckily I have a few male friends who are equally or more talky that me that I can indulge with sometimes. ;-) I remember an old boyfriend in high school who was the proverbial man of few words. It used to drive me nuts sometimes, but it wasn't because he was being witholding or anything like that. He was extremely generous and sweet. But he was very shy and verbosity just wasn't in his nature. He was, on the other hand, a genius at anything mathematical or spatial and helped me pass Geometry (barely). Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:26:42 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Chinese Cafe >It makes sense to me too, Colin. > >'Oh my love, my darling >I've hungered for your touch >A long lonely time >Time goes by so slowly >And time can do so much >Are you still mine? >I need your love >I need your love >God speed your love to me' > > > thanks for printing the wrods out mark. Yes, that is exactly why I thought it was about ther child. Of course only Joni knows why she used that song. I just always thoguth it was an odd choice for that song-it seemd incongruous to me but not now that we know about Kilueren. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:35:00 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: talk to me / jerks /njc >the major reason i got married was, ironically enough, to have someone to >talk to. i tried to talk but it just didnt work. after spilling my guts to >her about something i had never told another living -or even dead :-) - soul >my entire life - she went & blurted it out to a pair of casual acquaintances >a few days later..... (there was nothing huge about the facts of what i >told her - just about my emotional involvement with it....) > >there were countless similar incidents. id tell her about something about >something precious to me. and shed treat it like garbage. > No wonder that relationship died, Ron. What a dreadful way to treat someone. No wonder you clammed up. It is this sort of thing I was referring to-how we so easily 'blame' the other when it is us who do not create a good atmosphere for communication. Quite oftenthose who complain about 'lack of cummunication' are the very ones who don't listen or who don't take the communication seriously enough. Silence is a communication, body language, facial expressions, lack of interest, interest, smiling etc are all communications. sometimes it is our inability to recognize and or undderstand a communication that is the problem and notthatthre person is not communicating. Listening is ACTIVE. bw colin who hopes you are better matched now. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:37:03 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Joni mention on NPR, Refuge of the Roads tidbit I noticed this too. i also noticed she sings about a 'boston jim', i think in Richard, and we have a Boston Jim on this list.(or had) Dan Olson wrote: > On All Things Considered today (Saturday), in a piece on rap or some > rap artist (I wasn't really paying attention) someone mentioned > something like "...it's not like we're selling 4 million albums like > Joni Mitchell..." > > Also, I noticed in Refuge of the Roads on T'Log, the line "I'll shine > on your witness taking refuge IN the roads" replaced the original > "Shine on your witness in the refuge OF the roads". > > Cheers. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:27:26 +0000 From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: Back to T'log My copy of Travelogue hasn't moved from the CD player since last November! Raf - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stay in touch with absent friends. Download MSN Messenger for FREE! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:36:19 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Re: Another viewpoint on current world affairs NJC Dear Kate. and Susan..and Catherine Beautifully put (see below)... On this day, Sunday 16th March 2003, where I see in the headlines that there is no stopping the mad and bad from gashing the world with their tools of power.... your points have a particular resonance with how I try to live my life, the fears I have for my children, and how I have observed the power of good and healing working within it. It takes courage to resist. Some would judge a pacifist stance as that of weakness or cowardice but nothing good ever comes of War... As a community we are in for a testing time. Maybe with hope and trust and real intention to do the best we can, we can see each other through what is going to be (unless a miracle happends) the most dreadful time. I feel sorry for the Iraqis who have had to live under Saddam, I feel sorry for our troops, and their troops, and the US troops who must, inside their souls, wonder what the hell they are doing there... This is not, despite the mileage involved, going to be a distant war. IT will touch us all one way and other, just as it will touch the Iraqi citizens. May I make a suggestion... That on the list we have no talk of victory, no talk of people getting their "just rewards", no talk of "we showed them what for".... To do so would be to gloat over blood spilt, lives ended and tears shed and ultimately for the loss of humanity.... This poem, added by me to a previous post still sums up (for me at least) the feelings we need to have in this world If night should come sooner than we thought it might remember that I loved you. Not, I grant, a love that sacrifices truth or light but still a love that leant the world a heart on some warm secret hillside in the night. Lucy KATE WROTE > i have seen first hand how the power of my thoughts create reality & i have > witnessed miracles in my life & in those of my loved ones...i have done/am > doing what i can to petition, write, call, protest, pray... > > so now, for me, it is time to put all of my energies into being & creating > peace & love...to breathe it in & out...for this is a good place to be no > matter what :~} there is just more of a reason to remind myself to stay in > it... EDIT > > who knows what unseen forces might come into play if everyone who believes > the words of MLK (below) is able to call upon this vision....NOBODY yet > knows the outcome of things to come because the future has not yet happened > & in spite of appearances anything CAN happen... EDIT > SUSAN WROTE (AMONGST OTHER THINGS) "So while I challenge the sense and sensibility of those in power and leading us to the abyss, I know in their own minds there is some sort of inner personal logic taking place. But there are some tools sorely missed, - real hope, real humanity, real foresight, and this is what has killed the one main ingredient of hope we need to wade through this mess. TRUST. My fear and latest assailant on my hope, is that there is no trust and almost no chance it can be repaired - TRUELY repaired. Even if we all stretched our arms, and wrapped ourselves around eachother, right now, what chance that other plans would not be slyly being made. What trust is, can not be minimized. It is the basis for your work, your love, your family, your friendships, your ego. To trust your instincts. " CATHERINE WROTE I'm scared and my kids are scared and I don't know what to tell them apart from, "They don't have bombs that can reach here." I'm lost for words. Iraqis have kids too - what are they telling their kids? - -------------------------------------- Women of heart and mind.......... Lets pray, to whatever higher power that exists, for something to stop this headlong rush to mayhem ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:40:35 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #91 In a message dated 3/15/2003 8:23:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > From: Don Rowe > Subject: DED ... > > Good to see everyone still kicking the DED around > here. I'm with Don on this one - I always find it easy to listen to DED. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:57:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Back to T'log --- Raffaele Malanga wrote: > My copy of Travelogue hasn't moved from the CD > player since last > November! Meaning you listen to it all the time, or you just forgot it was still there? LOL. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:02:47 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: talk to me / jerks /njc --- ron wrote: > i was > the one who wouldnt talk. instead of just labelling > me as a jerk, perhaps > theres a reason for it??? > > the major reason i got married was, ironically > enough, to have someone to > talk to. i tried to talk but it just didnt work. > after spilling my guts to > her about something i had never told another living > -or even dead :-) - soul > my entire life - she went & blurted it out to a pair > of casual acquaintances > a few days later..... That's so sad. You couldn't possibly trust someone after they had done something like that. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:28:14 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Dark Cafe Days/Chicago Style My report is a little later than Susan's because I had to recover from too much fun in Chicago! I was a little fuzzy yesterday from 3 hours of sleep and a nasty hangover. (I haven't gotten out much this winter...) I don't have too much to add to Susan's detailed report. It was the first time I took the train down to Chicago and it was a really fun and non-stressful way to go! (And so appropriate to take a train to a Joni gathering!) Anyway, it was fun meeting Susan and her friends at The Closet. I think she knew everyone who came in the door! As she said, we ventured over to Davenport's, in a very interesting part of the city, and settled in for the show. I was impressed that the group did some of the more "obscure" songs and did them well. The highlights for me were The Gallery with beautiful harmonies that both women nailed, See You Sometime, Blue Motel Room and ACOY, which Rob sang solo and tagged a verse from BSN at the end. It was very emotional for me because I was missing my sweetheart from across the sea. :>) We had a nice time socializing with "Foiled Again" afterward and as Susan said, they were very excited about the JMDL and Joni fest. They'd be a nice addition! It was wonderful to see Susan again and meet up with Steve, Jeff, Dennis & co. and Jack. I had a great time chatting with Susan and Jack till closing time. We talked about music and bonded with the fact that we're all Harold and Maude fans! Thanks Susan for organizing this mini-fest and for your hospitality! I loved seeing your house and meeting feisty little Isabella. (Like mother, like "daughter?") Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:22:23 -0600 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: "The ghost of my old ideals" Sorry if this has already been mentioned: I've been floating in and out of this thread, and the list, for the last couple of days. But didn't Joni write a song very early in her career for CBC, or maybe something that was picked up by one particular CBC station? I think I got that from the now out-of-print Lenore Fleischer biography, circa 1976. At any rate, I always pictured Joni in some hotel room in Canada, years later, late at night, listening to that old song. Mary P. P.S. I, too, have always heard "ideals," and always will. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:44:07 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Please share with ... NJC wow heather, major congratulations to you! we can say we knew you when...:~} & wow colin, what great changes you've made for your health, congratulations to you! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:58 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: steph@cix.co.uk (stephanie daniels) Subject: Life and Times Hi everyone I'm new and would love to know if I can get a copy of 'Life and Times' over here in the UK. Any help welcome. Thanks Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:53:59 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: "The ghost of my old ideals" When ever I hear this line, I imagine Joni watching some old rerun of say the Donna Reed show, or some other classic 50s/60s family sitcom. Father Knows Best - that sort thing. The idealized family portrait. It has always sounded like a follow up to Song For Sharon to me, where as a little girl, she has this dream of getting married, and living a 'perfect' life. As she grows up, her goals change, and she realizes that she was just chasing dreams. Then while watching TV one day, this rerun comes on, and she flashes back on how that ideal used to appeal to her. She no longer aspires to that vision of life, but seeing it again on TV, she's some how haunted by it. To me, what's so powerful about that short, simple line is that it can apply to so many situations. Who hasn't had dreams, ideals, or ambitions that at one time seemed unshakable, yet over time you either out grew them, or even worse, simply abandoned them. I have no idea if this is what Joni actually meant, but I get goosebumps every time I hear this line. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:44:20 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "The ghost of my old ideals" In a message dated 3/16/2003 12:22:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, blckcrow@chorus.net writes: > But didn't Joni write a song very early in her career for CBC, or maybe > something that was picked up by one particular CBC station? I think I got > that from the now out-of-print Lenore Fleischer biography, > circa 1976. Yes, that would be "The Way It Is", which she wrote (and performed) for the CBC show of the same name. The JMDL video tree has a couple different versions of her singing it. She also performed it in her stage act, at least she did in January at Club 47, with a story about the whole experience. The melody is a bit challenging, but rewards repeated listenings, and lyrically it's very cool, and very politically charged: http://www.jonimitchell.com/TheWayItIsUnLyrics.html Bob NP: Steve Miller Band, "Dance, Dance, Dance" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:51:14 EST From: Jkp1953@aol.com Subject: talk to me talk to me" is always one of the several joni mitchell songs that i include. as a guitar player, i find her guitar work on that song to be utterly amazing. her sense of rhythm is incredible. it's almost dangerous for me to drive when that song is blasting in the car. so, perhaps people could overlook the attempt at humor or the self-deprecating lyrics and just get into the rhythmic experimentation that is so apparent on the song. just a suggestion. :-) NO ONE plays guitar like joni. NO ONE. it's just one of the reasons that joni RULES welcome terry. you read my mind when the subject is joni's genius guitar work on 'talk to me'. i can't recall a better example of what bob dylan was quoted as having said regarding joni's work (o'brien's bio.) "joni's got a strange sense of rhythm that's all her own". joni's unique rhythm, it's ability to be so unpredictable is certainly one of the signatures on her work, and the quality i most admire. together with her writing, she is unmatched. period. i particularly like the lyrics in TTM. i always thought her observation meant that she was really woo-wooed by a guy who was especially quiet.....not at all the talker she is. and that she did so much of the talking............shut me up.......and YOU talk to ME. so she made fun of herself for the imbalance there. imho. one last point. thanks to the listas for reminding me of '''the fiddle and the drum". how fitting and proper today. i hadn't thought of that song for a while because i tend to prefer joni's later stuff. Peace. janet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:21:30 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Paz- a new online game NJC Ok ok my secret is out http://www.asiamex.com/tayabas/17.html See the proof here. Thanks a lot Steve! Bitch! Paz (who is finally awake after 2 days sleep more after I have had some tea) NP-Lovesick Blues-Ryan Adams and Elton John at the Grand Old Opry April 2,02 > K&M International has an Online Game: > > Virtual Baby Monkey: > Take care of little Paz, Tickle him. > Feed him. Just keep him happy! > > So Mikey, when were you going to tell us? ;-) > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:25:23 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: "The ghost of my old ideals" > Yes, that would be "The Way It Is", which she wrote (and performed) > for the CBC show of the same name. The JMDL video tree has a couple > different versions of her singing it. She also performed it in her > stage act, at least she did in January at Club 47, with a story about > the whole experience. Could this have been a pre-cursor of 'Borderline'?\ I've always thought Joni had seen an old movie on the tube, maybe something with very noble characters and a very sharply defined conflict between good and evil. With a romantic subplot thrown in, of course! Mark E. in Seattle - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 3/13/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:54:48 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: Joni marathon in NYC I haven't been reading all the posts lately, so maybe this has been discussed, but does anyone know anything about, or have plans to attend the Joni Mitchell marathon in NYC at Symphony Space next Saturday? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:27:20 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: talk to me / jerks /njc hi kakki >>>> I always kind of identified with "Talk to Me" in that I can be overly talky like Joni at times. Mind goes a mile a minute and you go from one subject to another and before you know it it is 4 in the morning i think its truly wonderful when you have that going. i actually do know a few people like that where we can sit & talk for hours & hours & when you look up the restaurants closed & all the staff have gone (really happened to me once..) but thats a different issue to intimate communication between a man & woman (or any other combination you may prefer!!!). i must admit im not actually too clear on what joni is saying in the song as to what type of communication she is talking about - is it casual, or intimate. i always took it as the latter. rron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:33:02 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: talk to me / jerks /njc hi colin >>> No wonder that relationship died, Ron. What a dreadful way to treat someone. No wonder you clammed up. It is this sort of thing I was referring to-how we so easily 'blame' the other when it is us who do not create a good atmosphere for communication thanks colin. actually im quite surprised looking back at my posting now. i didnt realise quite how much emotion there was in it at the time of writing!!! i was just posting to support what people were saying about communication, and i wound up venting instead. obviously something i still need to deal with to some extent. >>>> who hopes you are better matched now. well. not really. my cat just doesnt care what i say as long as i feed him and fuss him. no seriously - im not rushing into the same trap - id rather be single than go through that again.... ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:37:38 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: talk to me / jerks /njc hi catherine >>>>That's so sad. You couldn't possibly trust someone after they had done something like that. theres another song about communication and trust which is just so special to me - from lucinda williams' "car wheels on a gravel road" "all i ask, is dont tell anyone the secrets, dont tell anyone the secrets i told you" besides being a great song it just nails so perfectly the feeling of having to rely on the discretion of someone you once trusted... ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:47:46 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: HAppy ST Patricks DAY To ALL Happy St Patricks DAY to everyone involved in this list. I am in Cork City (rebel county) in Republic of Ireland...... Good Luck RObin Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:52:43 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Was "The ghost of my old ideals" now "The way it is" --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Yes, that would be "The Way It Is", which she wrote > (and performed) for the CBC show of the same name. > The JMDL video tree has a couple different versions > of her singing it. She also performed it in her > stage act, at least she did in January at Club 47, > with a story about the whole experience. > > The melody is a bit challenging, but rewards > repeated listenings, and lyrically it's very cool, > and very politically charged: > > http://www.jonimitchell.com/TheWayItIsUnLyrics.html > I've never heard the song, so don't know what the melody is like. But reading the lyrics, it seems like it could be a rap song to me! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:26:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Larry D." Subject: Re: Chicken Squawlkin, Chinese Cafe, T'Log For what it's worth, my two cents on a few of the topics that have been rhubarbed over the past several days: I want to throw my vote in with the pro-"Talk to Me" folks. I like it. I think it's lyrically clever and I like JM's vocal. I also think it's a very good portrayal of someone in love enough to humiliate herself - and if you've never been in that position yourself, just wait. As for Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody, it's been one of my favorite Joni records since the release of Wild Things, but the first time I heard the version on T'log, it brought tears to my eyes. I don't know how you all feel, but I love Joni's deep contralto voice even more than I loved her girly soprano of old. Such richness, and such wisdom and experince behind it. Re: T'log, I don't think anyone has yet pointed out that the great pop and jazz singers of the early-to-mid-20th century were known for recording the same songs many times over the course of a long career (see Frank, Ella, Billie, etc.). I think T'log is like that. I admit, I do have to be in a certain mood for some of the more turgid songs, but overall I think it's an admirable album. As for future music from Joni, I guess only she knows ... Peace, y'all. Larry D ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:58:45 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: talk to me / jerks /njc Hi Ron, > i actually do know a few people like that where we can sit & talk for > hours & hours & when you look up the restaurants closed & all the staff > have gone (really happened to me once..) I think Joni would fit right into that crowd and probably would continue the conversation out in the parking lot long afterward, tequila anaconda and all ;-) > but thats a different issue to intimate communication between a man & > woman (or any other combination you may prefer!!!). i must admit im not > actually too clear on what joni is saying in the song as to what type of > communication she is talking about - is it casual, or intimate. i always > took it as the latter. Yes, there is a total difference between yapping away with a bunch of pals and being discreet and trustworthy in an intimate relationship. I take the song as her trying to get a guy she is either intimate with, or wants to be intimate with, to open up and not let her do all the talking all the time. But maybe she doesn't know when to shut off her own stream of consciousness. She does seem to indicate she is aware of that in the song and also admits to paying a price for talking too open and free where she might cross the liine and blurt out something that should have stayed confidential. Maybe she needs to sit back a bit and listen and try to pick up the non-verbal cues he is communicating. It's hard to tell if Mr. Mystery is rejecting her or bored or maybe he is highly entertained by it all and doesn't mind if he can't get a word in edgewise! It could be a case of incompatibility or a case of opposites complementing each other. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:00:44 -0500 From: vince Subject: njc bad news good news bad news is having the pipes in the apartment building freeze and have said pipes break so that when they thawed the apartment would would be flooded and with the apartment torn up and all the stuff outside that would freeze so that when I went to get it I would fall on the ice and smash my right shoulder and arm so badly that I could not even move my arm and since I smashed my arm into my side have ribs so sore that even breathing was incredibly painful and have this all be timed so that I would be unable to drive to Chicago for the Chicago JoniFest. And have my father be unhappy because he wanted to see me this weekend to help him move stuff (but I can't drive! I can't move my arm!) better news is the arm is healing and I can almost wash my hair now. best news is that because I was stuck at home I was able to get online the moment that Eminem tickets went on sale so I have 4 tickets in the main level and 2 front row club level tickets for this July in Detroit. might as well make the best of everything - Timing is everything - I'll see Eminem on Sunday in July and then drive straight to Chicago because I have All Star tickets - home run contests and all that on Monday, and then the game itself on Tuesday. Should be the best three days of my life! (And probably Gage's too since the plans are he is going to everything.) sorry I missed everyone in Chicago. I really wanted to be there. And 8 Mile comes out on dvd this Tuesday and I might not be able to fight the crowds at the video store since I am still recovering but what the hell, I have my copies pre ordered anyway so not a problem! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:33:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc bad news good news --- vince wrote: > bad news is ... > best news is that because I was stuck at home I was > able to get online > the moment that Eminem tickets went on sale so I > have 4 tickets in the > main level and 2 front row club level tickets for > this July in Detroit. > > might as well make the best of everything - > > Timing is everything Everything happens for a reason, n'est-ce pas? Sounds like you're making the best of what started out as a pretty horrible situation, so keep up the good spirits. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:43:54 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: talk to me / jerks /njc >actually im quite surprised looking back at my posting now. i didnt realise >quite how much emotion there was in it at the time of writing!!! i was just >posting to support what people were saying about communication, and i wound >up venting instead. obviously something i still need to deal with to some >extent. > not necessarily. It is normal for old pain to cause a rush of emotion. you'd onlyhave to fdeal with it if you were eaten up by it every day or if it prevented you getting close again. > > >>>> who hopes you are better matched now. > >well. not really. my cat just doesnt care what i say as long as i feed him >and fuss him. > same as my dogs. talk about communication-John and I had a blazing row today-over the dogs! My alpha female has been spayed. A much younger female is pregannt. In the wild, only the Alpha gets to be pregnant. So we have trouble. Martha stalks Napoli(the pregnant one). Napoli puts up with for a while and then goes for the kill as she has babies to protect, even if not yet born. Martha is much smaller and weaker. So we are having to play musical cages....(this does not seem to happen when all the females are entire) Not fair on anyone. So reluctantly we are allowing Martha to go to a new home where she will get all the attention to herself. It is so easy to forget that my beloved little ones are animals and behave as such! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:53:04 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Please share with ... NJC Kate Bennett wrote: > >& wow colin, what great changes you've made for your health, congratulations >to you! > Thank you Kate. The yoga is excellent and I would thorughly recommend it. For many years, I was led to believ there was something 'satanic' about yoga by well have a guess... anyway what the fuck they were on about i have no idea. it is just stretching excercises! I had NO idea how tense everything was. From yeards and years of being on 'alert', something you just are all the time if you had to be for a long time. Meaning there was a long period of time, 16 years, when it was wise to be 'alert'. not needed nown but still my body is tensed up all the time. Anyhow, the yoga really helps. Much of the pain has gone. Interstingly so has the chest pain and arm pain...whilxt the angina medicine has not touched it. Soalthough i am still awaiting the hosptial tests, after the wonky ecg, it would seem to me that the 'angina' is actually muscle pain, especially as i sit hunched up alld ay evry day sewing and knitting.... I ahev alwso been walking 45 mins a day with the dogs. we have not had rain(aprt from a couple of nights) for weeks whilst last year it rained almost everyday. Altho we hav not had rain for weeks, our garden is still soggy. Last eyar was the wettest on record. the other thing that really helps in all depts is the low carb way of eating. Always knew it was good and right for me but was not serious enough about sticking to it. Now I have been on the wagon with it for a couple of months. 20lbs gone, no hunger, no fatigue etc Yes i misss bread and Hagen Daaz but it psses and the long term beneifts far outweigh the damage one night of passion would cause.... bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:56:51 -0600 From: "Steve Polifka" Subject: Re: Paz- a new online game NJC Hey Mikey, How many Paz's are there? Could I be mistaken? (hee hee)... You should see the doll! Steve - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Paz" To: "Steve Polifka" ; "Joni Digest" Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 3:21 PM Subject: Re: Paz- a new online game NJC > Ok ok my secret is out > http://www.asiamex.com/tayabas/17.html > See the proof here. > Thanks a lot Steve! > Bitch! > > Paz (who is finally awake after 2 days sleep more after I have had some tea) > > NP-Lovesick Blues-Ryan Adams and Elton John at the Grand Old Opry April 2,02 > > > K&M International has an Online Game: > > > > Virtual Baby Monkey: > > Take care of little Paz, Tickle him. > > Feed him. Just keep him happy! > > > > So Mikey, when were you going to tell us? ;-) > > > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:47:33 EST From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Re: DED ... In a message dated 3/15/03 8:28:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: > Those who remember me already know that I > consider the much-maligned pooch one of Joni's finest > efforts. There, I've said it again, and darnit all > I'm still proud of it! > Thanks, Don. I wished I'd said that. As many of you know, it was DED that brought me back to Joni after I jumped ship in the post Mingus era. To this day, it's my favorite of her album efforts. I connected to DED through the LA radio station I was listening to at the time, which played Ethiopia and Shiny Toys in decent rotation. I was stunned and delighted that it was Joni. I thought it was, but, it had been a while since I had heard anything of her works. At the time, the station I listened to didn't announce what they were playing -- you had to call them up. The announcer told the story of my call on the air later that night. I think I said something about her voice sounding so different. Anyway, DED brought me back full force and made me seek out what I missed in my absence. No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:12:21 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: njc bad news good news Dear Vince Here is hoping your recovery is speedy and complete! We missed you here in Chicago! - --- vince wrote: > ...I would fall on the ice and > smash my right shoulder and arm so badly that I could not even move my > arm and since I smashed my arm into my side have ribs so sore that even > breathing was incredibly painful and have this all be timed so that I > would be unable to drive to Chicago for the Chicago JoniFest. > > > better news is the arm is healing and I can almost wash my hair now. > Thank Gawd Vince! I hate bad hair days, but a week of it - EEeewwwww! > best news is that because I was stuck at home I was able to get online > the moment that Eminem tickets went on sale so I have 4 tickets in the > main level and 2 front row club level tickets for this July in Detroit. > Had I known this I would have driven to Michigan myself to save you from that fate! And I don't even drive! > straight to Chicago because I have All Star tickets - home run contests > and all that on Monday, and then the game itself on Tuesday. Should be > the best three days of my life! (And probably Gage's too since the > plans are he is going to everything.) > Hey I may have an in for tickets to the All-Sar game as well (working on it), maybe we'll work in a little Jonifesting then. > sorry I missed everyone in Chicago. I really wanted to be there. > So are we sweetie! I sill think you were trying a triple axle and didn't get enough lift on your take-off. Please talk to Jimmy about this short coming, he's done wonders for my triple toe loop! Hope to see you soon, take care. Peace, Susan NP: Jonatha Brooke/Your House Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:02:39 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 17 1967: Joni performed at the Second Fret in Philadelphia and was interviewed by Ed Sciaky. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=606 1988: Timothy White interviewed Joni in a studio in North Hollywood. The interview remained unpublished until it was later used in a book called "Rock Lives". More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=390 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:02:39 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 17 On March 17 the following items were published: 1967: "Interview with Ed Sciaky" - WMMR (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=606 1988: "Joni Mitchell Interview" - Book (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=390 1991: "Joni Mitchell Finds The Peace of Middle Age" - New York Times (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=217 1998: "Morrison Rejoins Tour" - Addicted To Noise website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=45 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #180 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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