From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #174 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 13 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 174 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Haight Ashbury Music Help (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] RE: njc - talk to her [] RE: njc - talk to her (contains spoilers!) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Re: Alliterative Joni, Also , Tax Free (WARNING: Political Content!!! NJC) ["kakki" ] Re: Wall to Wall [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] More Wall to Wall [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Junos - NJC ["Rache A" ] blue tapestry (NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Wall to Wall [Randy Remote ] Re: Wall to Wall [Brian Gross ] Re: CBC Joni ["Kate Bennett" ] Streaming on the web NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Wall to Wall [Randy Remote ] "HDCD"'s versus original issue CD's; what is the REAL difference? [Andrew] Joni Connection (NJC - I think?) [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Wall to Wall NJC [dsk ] Re: vienna teng NJC [dsk ] Re: "HDCD"'s versus original issue CD's; what is the REAL difference? ["] Small Contribution to The Library, how do I submit article? [Andrew Smith] Re: Joni Connection (NJC - I think?) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: "HDCD"'s versus original issue CD's; what is the REALdifference? [Ran] Re: Streaming on the web NJC [Randy Remote ] RE: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest 2003 Raffle! ["Maggie McNally" ] Metamorphosis - NJC ["robin mortlock" ] Joni Mitchell: a woman of heart & mind - DVD order info details [Catherin] Re: Wall to Wall NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:05:04 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Haight Ashbury Music Help (NJC) Kate quoted Richard von Busack's review of "Hippie Revolution" (in 1996) http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/07.18.96/hippie-9629.html >The hippies' efforts may not have been lasting; > they were fuzzy thinkers who produced little art > that endured. Today, "Today" is a nice single > mom with two kids, a house and a swimming > pool in New Mexico.' Critics of all expression - in this case with the facts wrong, it seems - Louise has just written to me saying: > BTW, the house and pool wasn't mine. > They filmed at Rebecca's in Marin. I've > never had a pool, and always thought that > sounded so 'fashionable' which, I confess, > I am not. Kate wrote: > like paul's friend louise (who, contrary to how the author portrays her is > as paul wrote 'saving lives and stamping out disease as a hospital > administrator') i know many who who grew up through the 'hippie era' who > remained true to their ideals & have devoted their lives to making the world > a better place... Certainly true of Louise. Found this site - a brief virtual tour of the Haight Ashbury area and the associated musicians and characters - http://www.sftravel.com/haightashburysanfrancisco.html >"If The Grateful Dead were kings of the psychedelic kingdom > then 710 Ashbury Street was Buckingham Palace!! re Country Joe & the Fish >The Fish Tank was located at 638-640 Ashbury. ... >And its One..Two...Three..What are we fighting for? re Janis Joplin > you can visit her homes away from home in the Haight. >Two of them are located at 112 Lyons and at 635 Ashbury. >To roundout your Joplin pilgrimage go north of Haight Street >one block to Page, turn right and find 1090 Page, not only the >site of one of the Haights early crashpads, but is also where >Big Brother went full tilt boogie in between gigs. . re Jimi Hendrix >his pre-wah wah Woodstock days were spent around the >lava lamp at his apartment at 1524A Haight. You can almost >hear the Star Spangled Banner ripping from the windows!! re The Jefferson Airplane >Heading towards Fulton Street you won't run into any hookah >smoking caterpillars but if you go to 2400 Fulton Street you >will see where Alice would have hung out had she been around >in the 60's. Joni, of course, played at Winterland (The Last Waltz) - PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:29:48 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: RE: njc - talk to her > the new york times had three of its movie critics weighing in with their > oscar predictions last week. each of them had to pick a 'will win', > 'should win', and 'should've been a contender' and two of three picked > 'talk to her' in that third category. certainly would have been the > best of the year if they'd asked me. and the movie really should have > been nominated The omission of Pedro Almodovar's HABLE CON ELLA (TALK TO HER) in the Best Foreign Language derby of the Oscar was due to Spain's decision to send a different entry. Spain chose another film (something with a title about Mondays and Sun) as its entry, leaving the much heralded Almodovar film out of the running. But I am glad just the same that Almodovar was nominated for the Best Director even if his inclusion in the top five was probably the reason why Peter Jackson was edged out. And now, Spain's entry to the Oscar was not among those in the top five nominee. Sad story. > and in 'best director' (where almodsvar IS nominated) two of three > picked him for 'should'. but they all three picked scorsese to win. Personally I would want Roman Polanski to win, with or without the fanned controversy of his return to the US of A and his presence in the Oscar ceremony. THE PIANIST is a beautiful film that is at times, too painful to watch. And in Adrien Brody, a star is born. I am actually also impressed with what Stephen Daldry did in THE HOURS (and its my personal favorite among the Best Picture nominees, edging out THE PIANIST by a hairstrand), and if he wins, I will not grouch. But I think the Academy may feel that Martin Scorsese should get it. And while I agree that this great director be given the accolade due him, I think it would be more apt in films like GOODFELLAS and ALICE DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE rather than GANGS OF NEW YORK. But GANGS OF NEW YORK has the epic sweep to justify its win. Besides, with a Daniel Day-Lewis attached to the project, he certainly added class to the proceedings. The Oscar does not really always award the statuette to the best, but the careers of winners usually take a more robust form after their win (though not always true, look at Mira Sorvino). 'y tu mama tambien' should have had more chances to > win Mexico sent EL CRIMEN DEL PADRE AMARO as their entry this year and it was shortlisted as the top five nominees in the Oscar race. But I agree with Patrick that between the two films, I would root for Y TU MAMA TAMBIEN than EL CRIMEN DEL PADRE AMARO. Y TU MAMA TAMBIEN has a timelessness about it (despite minor contrivances in the film) and I am sure it will be talked about many many years after. Joseph in Manila np: Anonymous 4 "The Lily and the Lamb" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 05:28:37 -0500 From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: RE: njc - talk to her (contains spoilers!) PLEASE DON'T READ THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE FILM YET AND DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IN THE END! Talk To Her has been extravagantly praised by many people and critics whose opinions I respect, including the burghers of Joniville. I was left feeling really uneasy, however, mainly because of the issue of the rape of the ballerina whilst in a coma. It seems we are expected to swallow the proposition that by having this seemingly caring but (I found) creepy, frankly deranged man force himself on her while she is in no position to have any say in the matter, her life is saved. Do me a favour! This is not the first time Almodovar has sailed close to the wind around the issue of rape - remember that scene in Kika where, if memory serves, a rape scene is pretty much played for laughs? I didn't find it very funny. I am not sure how Almodovar gets away with scenes like this. Perhaps because of his larger-than-life and sometimes hysterically camp stories and sensibilities? Because he does have great roles for women in his films? I dunno. There were things about the film I thought were great, particular the performances of the two ballerinas, teacher and pupil, Caetano Veloso's cameo and, best of all, the silent film-within-the-film. But the ending was too pat, and overall I thought it was a big step back from Live Flesh and All About My Mother. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 02:30:50 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Re: Alliterative Joni, Also , Tax Free (WARNING: Political Content!!! NJC) Mary wrote: > If you mean Roman Catholics, they are explicitly contravening certain > official teachings of their church in voting Democratic, at least in many > instances. I imagine that the same could be said, to a lesser extent, of > Orthodox Jews. They're going against the grain. That's not my definition > of a "fundamentalist." There are huge numbers of people of these religions who vote Democratic. I think they do hold to their fundamentalist beliefs privately even though they may vote for some whose platform does not always coincide precisely with those beliefs. > I believe that when most people speak of "fundamentalist Christians," they > do indeed mean evangelical Protestants. If you'd like to broaden the > definition of "fundamentalist" to include members of any religion who hew to > either a literal interpretation of a text or certain very basic (or > "fundamental") teachings, fine. My guess, however, is that that's not what > most people think of when they use that term in the United States. That's interesting to me, because I know a number of people who indeed have fundamentalist beliefs, i.e. funadamentalist protestants who believe in strict biblical interpretation and are very devoted to the particular teachings of their faith which are not at all "liberal", who continue to vote Democratic. Just as the Republican party is made up of a myriad of people, so is the Democratic. I guess my point is that people are complex and often vote the way they do for any number of reasons outside any procribed party line of the moment. It seems like the perception is that the "hawk right wing Christian fundamentalists" have some major power. I just don't perceive it that way. Again, I think that it depends on what part of the country one if from. I always looked at the Robertson/Falwell types as a small group out of small section of the South, who did gain some vocality because they raised money for their TV empires and therefore had a microphone, but who, in reality, are still a regional anomaly in the overall demographic of the US. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:05:55 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc - talk to her (contains spoilers!) In a message dated 3/13/2003 5:28:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, AzeemAK writes: > It seems we are expected to swallow the proposition that by having this seemingly caring but (I found) creepy, frankly deranged man force himself on her while she is in no position to have any say in the matter, her life is saved. Do me a > favour! I think perhaps you're being a tad extreme, Azeem...it's strongly established in the film that he's deeply in love with her - indeed; he has basically dedicated his life to being her caretaker, and the scenes of him caressing her, grooming her, putting lotion on her, etc. reinforced that, at least for me. Obviously if he was just in it for necrophiliac sex he wouldn't have invested so much of himself. The black & white 'film within a film' was a revelation to him, and he had non-consensual sex (I would stop short of calling it rape...rape is about violence & control, not about sex) with her, and it was through his impregnation (not the sex act itself) that a new life was implanted in her and gave her body a reason to emerge from her comatose state. Maybe I'm being overly simplistic, but that's what the story said to me anyway. Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "Fruit Trader" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:59:40 -0600 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: Re: Re: Alliterative Joni, Also , Tax Free (WARNING: Political Content!!! NJC) RE: Roman Catholics and Orthodox Jews: their "fundamentalist" beliefs??? What is your designation based on, if not their strict adherance to a text or set of teachings? But I ask that more as a rhetorical question. My own personal experience of Catholicism is that many practitioners, including myself, take an *enormous* amount of leeway in following, or not following, certain church teachings. Moreover, one strand of Church doctrine, while not always emphasized, holds that *individual conscience* is primary in making these decisions. Debra mentioned this some time ago. My sense is that those who follow the church's substantive teachings on controversial matters such as abortion and gay rights in absolute lockstep tend overwhelmingly to vote Republican, not Democratic. Of course, there are areas that are difficult to categorize, such as the church's opposition to capital punishment, and the necessity for economic justice. But the former stance is relatively new, and the latter carries within it sizeable room for interpretation. When the day is done, I simply don't see picking and choosing, not to mention using one's conscience to vote against church teaching on a regular basis, as "fundamentalist," and I likely never will. Do some "fundamentalist" Protestants vote Democratic? It probably happens ocassionally, as I allowed for last week. I simply don't think it happens very often, and the election figures Jerry posted back that up. The voting pattern you speak of is the exception, not the rule. I can state confidently that I have NEVER heard a liberal Democratic candidate endorsed on a Christian radio station or similar TV show, or read this kind of endorsement in a letter to the editor by a self-identifying "fundamentalist" Christian, although I've seen and heard a fair amount of anti-Democratic jibes on these shows, and in these letters. Re: the power of politically conservative Protestant evangelicals in this country, and in the Republican party: you may wish to distance yourself from it, and you may wish that this faction hadn't virtually hijacked the party 25 years ago. So do I. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen. I think, in contrast, that the evidence is rather strong that it did. This group has had a tremendous, concentrated influence on both party policy and on elections at all levels, from local school boards to the Presidency itself. As Jerry pointed out last week, 11% is a huge number when usual margins of victory are between 3 and 5%, and accordingly, this group has been courted aggressively. I would suggest, if you don't like this state of affairs, that you work within your local Republican party and perhaps beyond to organize the systematic presentation of a different conservative belief system. Some Republicans (most notably, those who support abortion rights) have indeed been been doing just that for years, but obviously, they felt there was a need for their actions. In short, we "fundamentally" disagree, both about the designation of the two religions above, and the power of politically conservative Protestant evangelicals in this country. I will accept that, while continuing to hold to my own beliefs, based on my experience and information. I do not believe that I have anything further to add to this subject. Mary. P. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "kakki" To: "Mary E. Pitassi" ; "Gerald Notaro" Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:30 AM Subject: Re: Re: Alliterative Joni, Also , Tax Free (WARNING: Political Content!!! NJC) > > > Mary wrote: > > > > If you mean Roman Catholics, they are explicitly contravening certain > > official teachings of their church in voting Democratic, at least in many > > instances. I imagine that the same could be said, to a lesser extent, of > > Orthodox Jews. They're going against the grain. That's not my definition > > of a "fundamentalist." > > There are huge numbers of people of these religions who vote Democratic. I > think they do hold to their fundamentalist beliefs privately even though > they may vote for some whose platform does not always coincide precisely > with those beliefs. > > > I believe that when most people speak of "fundamentalist Christians," they > > do indeed mean evangelical Protestants. If you'd like to broaden the > > definition of "fundamentalist" to include members of any religion who hew > to > > either a literal interpretation of a text or certain very basic (or > > "fundamental") teachings, fine. My guess, however, is that that's not > what > > most people think of when they use that term in the United States. > > That's interesting to me, because I know a number of people who indeed have > fundamentalist beliefs, i.e. funadamentalist protestants who believe in > strict biblical interpretation and are very devoted to the particular > teachings of their faith which are not at all "liberal", who continue to > vote Democratic. Just as the Republican party is made up of a myriad of > people, so is the Democratic. I guess my point is that people are complex > and often vote the way they do for any number of reasons outside any > procribed party line of the moment. It seems like the perception is that > the "hawk right wing Christian fundamentalists" have some major power. I > just don't perceive it that way. Again, I think that it depends on what > part of the country one if from. I always looked at the Robertson/Falwell > types as a small group out of small section of the South, who did gain some > vocality because they raised money for their TV empires and therefore had a > microphone, but who, in reality, are still a regional anomaly in the > overall demographic of the US. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:04:07 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Alliterative Joni, Also , Tax Free (WARNING: Political Content!!! NJC) The only religious denomination to give the majority of their votes to the Republicans in the last presidential election was White Protestant. Even then it was on 55%. But since they make up 54% of the total electorate, their influence is significant. Jerry Mary E. Pitassi wrote: > Kakki: > > Which groups do you have in mind? > > If you mean Roman Catholics, they are explicitly contravening certain > official teachings of their church in voting Democratic, at least in many > instances. I imagine that the same could be said, to a lesser extent, of > Orthodox Jews. They're going against the grain. That's not my definition > of a "fundamentalist." > > I believe that when most people speak of "fundamentalist Christians," they > do indeed mean evangelical Protestants. If you'd like to broaden the > definition of "fundamentalist" to include members of any religion who hew to > either a literal interpretation of a text or certain very basic (or > "fundamental") teachings, fine. My guess, however, is that that's not what > most people think of when they use that term in the United States. > > Mary P. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kakki" > To: ; "Gerald Notaro" > Cc: ; > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:41 PM > Subject: Re: Re: Alliterative Joni, Also , Tax Free (WARNING: Political > Content!!! NJC) > > > >>Mary wrote: >> >> >>>I would NOT guess that 11% of those who voted Democratic are religious >> >>fundamentalists. >> >>I guess it depends on one's definition of religious fundamentalist. I >>broaden the definition to include any orthodox or fundamentalist religious >>sect, not just particular protestant evangelicals. Think about some of > > the > >>major voting blocs of the Democratic party and think about what religions >>they are >> >>Kakki. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:08:44 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Wall to Wall This event is about a week away - I'm getting very psyched!! For those who may be interested, besides the Saturday event there will be a group of us taking in the Matisse/Picasso exhibit at MOMA on Sunday. Obviously, all are welcome...I'm sure there will be lots of good food & conversation as well! Thanks to Paul M. who's putting me up Friday night, and Bob's Art who's putting up with me Saturday night. JMDLer's RULE!! Also, for those of you going to W2W, Symphony Space is offering a "Priority Admission" for 2 for those making a $50 donation prior to March 22. See the website for details: http://www.symphonyspace.org/genres/eventPage.php?genreId=1&eventId=287 I went ahead and took the plunge, it's a donation for a good cause plus I wanted to make sure I got in! :~P Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "Lonely Ol' Night" (3/18/99) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:20:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Wall to Wall Bob, it hadn't occurred to me that one might not be able to get in to Wall to Wall. So I did some checking and the theater seats 760. Yikes! That is tiny. I read that at past Wall to Wall events there was a line outside the door all day long and that once you get inside the presenters try and cajole people to leave and let other folks in. I don't know about you, but I was going to stay all freaking day! Has anybody gone to one of these before? Jenny SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote:This event is about a week away - I'm getting very psyched!! For those who may be interested, besides the Saturday event there will be a group of us taking in the Matisse/Picasso exhibit at MOMA on Sunday. Obviously, all are welcome...I'm sure there will be lots of good food & conversation as well! Thanks to Paul M. who's putting me up Friday night, and Bob's Art who's putting up with me Saturday night. JMDLer's RULE!! Also, for those of you going to W2W, Symphony Space is offering a "Priority Admission" for 2 for those making a $50 donation prior to March 22. See the website for details: http://www.symphonyspace.org/genres/eventPage.php?genreId=1&eventId=287 I went ahead and took the plunge, it's a donation for a good cause plus I wanted to make sure I got in! :~P Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "Lonely Ol' Night" (3/18/99) Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:31:30 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Wall to Wall In a message dated 3/13/2003 10:20:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com writes: > Bob, it hadn't occurred to me that one might not be able > to get in to Wall to Wall. Well, I always assume the worst because that's typically what happens with me! :~( Anyway, I'd hate to pay for airfare (which I've already done) and get there just to wait outside and miss it. The box office opens at 11:00 AM today, I intend to call them and get some definites. In the meantime, this entire event WILL be broadcast on FM radio, so if someone from the area who's not planning on attending will step up and tape the whole thing, I'll be happy to transfer it to CD, or of course it could be recorded direct to cd if you've got the right stuff. Bob NP: Mellencamp, "the breakout" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:35:13 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: More Wall to Wall OK, I talked to the box office, here's some more info: There will be reserved orchestra seats for those donors who fork over $125, per the website. They will have a separate box office for "Priority Admission" for "Friends", which is what you get for $50. If you do it online you'll need to follow-up by phone to get a membership number. If you have a membership you don't need to wait in the general line. They'll begin letting folks in around 10:45. Seats are first come, first served. There's no eating in the theater, but they do have a cafe in the complex. They won't force anyone out, but if you abandon your seats they become fair game. I'm assuming that if you're with someone they can save your seat if you go to the bathroom, etc. The lady I spoke to seemed shocked that I was intending to stay for the entire 12-hour presentation...I tried as best I could to explain my bizarre obsession with Joni covers. :~) She did confirm that the ENTIRE show would be broadcast on the radio. For last years W2W (Richard Rodgers) they released a CD. They will NOT be doing that this year as they could not secure the royalties/rights/whatever. Anyway, I feel a bit more secure now than I did this morning... Bob NP: Mellencamp, "Just Like You" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:42:41 -0500 From: "Rache A" Subject: Junos - NJC Just to let you know - you can vote for the juno fan choice award and there's actually some good people up. Though this year there doesn't seem to be much good stuff nominated, for the fan choice award Gordon Lightfoot, Leonard Cohen, kd Land, and Diana Krall and a list of others are up. Go to junos.ctv.ca and click on the fan choice award link to vote (and you can enter the contest to go to the junos and one wins to present the award too). And the other night on the news I saw Neil Young at the Rock & Roll hall of fame induction - I think he was presenting - saying some good anti-war stuff but the clip that they showed was really short. Rachel - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:39:33 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: blue tapestry (NJC) PS Jacky, a big MEEE TOOO for wanting to see Blue Tapestry if they're somewhere like Tunbridge Wells, so please let me know! But if it's in April then I won't be able to make it because I'm supposed to be in Vietnam - unless the war intervenes and I can only get to Tunbridge Wells instead! The date for Lieve, and anyone else who needs to know, of the T.Wells gig is Wednesday, April 9th. It's at the Trinity Arts Centre. I've discovered I have a bit of a problem with the date myself, but still hope to go, so contact me if anyone is thinking of going too. What are you going to Vietnam for, Lieve, work or pleasure? Regards Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:59:44 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Wall to Wall SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In the meantime, this entire event WILL be broadcast on FM radio, so if someone from the area who's not planning on attending will step up and tape the whole thing, What station? Do they stream on the web? And why does that sound messy? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:31:39 -0500 From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Wall to Wall guitarzan@direcpc.com wrote: >SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >In the meantime, this entire event WILL be broadcast on FM radio, so if someone from the area who's not planning on attending will step up and tape the whole thing, > > >What station? Do they stream on the web? And why does that sound >messy? > > WFUV-FM, 90.7 mhz from Fordham University in NYC Yes, they do stream, www.wfuv.org Brian np: Todd Mundt show (hello Yael!) - -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:36:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: CBC Joni $24.98- not a bad price especially for usa to canadian conversion...i'd purchase it right to be able to see it after all the raves but it will not be released until may :~{ - pbs is due to broadcast it apr 2nd & i am BUMMED! i have a gig that night...hopefully they will rebroadcast it later cuz we haven't had any luck recording on our ancient vcr... i LOVE the photo of joni on the cbc site! joyful smile & flowers in her hair... >>If you click on this link, it will take you to the CBC site, with info on how to order your own studio quality copy: http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:43:49 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Streaming on the web NJC In a message dated 3/13/2003 12:59:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: > And why does that sound > messy? Maybe because like me, you're a sick individual! ;~) Or a spider... Can you record it off of the stream? I was assuming that an FM broadcast would be of a superior quality to a webcast. The webcasts I've heard always sound like the performer's in a barrel. Bob NP: Mellencamp, "Human Wheels" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:15:06 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Wall to Wall Thanks, Brian- wfuv looks like a great station- Here's a page about the event, with the full schedule (show starts Mar 22, 11 AM EST) & just noticed that Bebel Gilberto will be one of the performers. http://www.symphonyspace.org/genres/eventPage.php?genreId=1&eventId=287 Brian Gross wrote: > guitarzan@direcpc.com wrote: > >> SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >> In the meantime, this entire event WILL be broadcast on FM radio, so >> if someone from the area who's not planning on attending will step >> up and tape the whole thing, >> >> What station? Do they stream on the web? And why does that sound >> messy? >> > WFUV-FM, 90.7 mhz from Fordham University in NYC > Yes, they do stream, www.wfuv.org > > Brian > > np: Todd Mundt show (hello Yael!) > > -- > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. > Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! > http://shopnow.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:42:09 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Smith Subject: "HDCD"'s versus original issue CD's; what is the REAL difference? Hi Listers: You guys have already been great, and I appreciate all of your help and comments. Now I have a question: Are the newer-released "HDCD"s really superior to the original releases? I have a few of both and I am not sure that I can tell the difference from a strictly audiophile point of view. I notice that they advertise that all of the original liner notes and artwork are included on these releases, but I had never noticed that this was missing from the earlier releases. Anwyay, I am decided if I need to switch out Hejira, Hissing, C&S, For the Roses, for the newer releases so thanks, in advance, for your suggestions and Cheers Andy Smith, Greenbrae, CA (relishing again attending June, 1983 concert at Concord Pavilion) ===== Andrew J. Smith andy.smith@iracema.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:27:04 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Joni Connection (NJC - I think?) It's a Joni World afterall! When I first joied the JMDL, there was somewhat of a hope on my part, that I would reconnect with some old Joni people I knew back in high school and have lost contact with - never happened. They must have gotten old and boring and are home listening to Celine Dion or something. But still being in Chicago I thought, this is a big city, I'll run into someone sometime! A few weeks ago, I noticed a new email address in my mailbox. I felt very drawn to it, it was weird. I felt this was something special or .. don't know, it was just very strange, I just had a weird vibe. The email was a lister who as far as I could remember had never posted, maybe they had. That was the post announcing the show, "Dark Cafe Days" being done here at Davenport's Cabaret, with all Joni music. The mail was unsigned as I recall. So I was curious. Was this a man or a woman and ... was she single?! ;-P Anyway I also wondered if this was the woman I had just ended a short relationship with. Who btw, is a huge Joni fan and had hinted she would like to possibly join the list. How did THAT not work out? ...We were both Joniphiles and that was one of the things she specifically said attracted her to me!? Not to mention my romanticism, good looks, dancing, Norah Jones and ... sorry, I digress agan. Anyway I wrote to the mysterious address and Dennis answered. I was pretty relieved it was not HER. So we exchanged emails and the Mini Chicago Fest took shape. Friday night I came home, after a Martini or 5 and began reading email. I was excited to see one from Dennis. The email began by calling me Suzie. Now I have no aversion at all to being called Susie, as I spell it. But I can not think of one of you who has ever referred to me as such. Usually my girlfriends do - for some reason. I hoped Dennis wasn't cancelling for next week! He was not, in fact it was not him answering the email at all! It was his sister Karen ... who also happens to be MY cousin through marriage, as we say here in Chicago. WE had NO idea! I had to read the mail twice as I was very confused at first ... not to mention - Martinis. Apparently, Dennis had suggested Karen come along to our litle Joni fest. She went ahead and read the email I sent out with the schedule for Friday night's festivities. When she got to the bottom she saw my name ... and why on earth did I feel the need to suddenly add my last name, which I rarely do here anymore. So how cool is that Dennis and I have a family connection of sorts! Unfortunately, Karen will not be able to attend, but this got her sister-in-law, my cousin Kathy, interested, as they are close. Cousin Kathy took me to my first Joni concert back in 72 and also fed me my first joint the year before that, July 26, 1971- summer of Blue, not that I remember exactly or anything! Although we both live in the city and fairly close proximity, we see each other once a year or two. So Kathy called me the next morning and we talked for over an hour! And she is planinng on going with us this week to the show, "Dark Cafe Days" at Davenports. So now my own cousin and I have reconnected and Dennis and I are practically kin! How cool is all this?! AND I do believe, you know - there may be more ... it's a Joni world afterall! Peace, Susan P.S. YES I have been to Disney World and so you know what irritating song is playing in my head ... over and over and over again! HELP! Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:40:03 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Wall to Wall NJC SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > This event is about a week away - I'm getting very psyched!! > > For those who may be interested, besides the Saturday event there will be a group of us taking in the Matisse/Picasso exhibit at MOMA on Sunday. Obviously, all are welcome...I'm sure there will be lots of good food & conversation as well! This is some rain on the parade news... the Matisse Picasso exhibit is one of those blockbusters requiring timed tickets ($20!) and there are no tickets available anymore for March 23. So unless Bob'sArt has already gotten tickets, there's no way (that I know of) to get them at this point for that day. Regular admission will get you to other parts of the museum, but there's not much there since it's now in a temporary space in Queens while the Manhattan building is being worked on. I don't think it's worth a trip across the river (spoken like a true provincial Manhattanite) to see just the other bits in MoMA QNS. So any other ideas for Sunday? Jazz brunch somewhere maybe. And if people are in the mood for museum strolling and chatting, there's always the Met, which now has an exhibit of Leonardo da Vinci drawings, or there's the exhibit about Einstein at the Natural History Museum on the west side. The new planetarium is part of that museum, too. I love that place and would go anytime anyone has the slightest interest in that. Ideas anyone? > Also, for those of you going to W2W, Symphony Space is offering a "Priority Admission" for 2 for those making a $50 donation prior to March 22. I'm glad to see that it's $50 for admission for two. I don't mind spending the $50 but didn't think my companion for the day would appreciate finding out about that at the last minute. > I went ahead and took the plunge, it's a donation for a good cause plus I wanted to make sure I got in! :~P One thing about having so many people in this cozy little city is that it's necessary to plan things WAY in advance... Unless it's a holiday weekend, it's difficult to do anything that's been publicized on the spur of the moment. It's a wonderful place, though, really! Debra Shea, looking forward to next weekend with friendly jonipals in crowded NYC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:01:27 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: vienna teng NJC Kate, What a nice review! Being limited to so few words must be a major challenge. I see there are no reallys, verys or extremelys in there (some of my favorite words :-). I got "Waking Hour" soon after the Letterman show and love it, especially the sound of the piano and the other light instrumental touches. I also like Vienna's singing. Her voice is whispery and intimate and then all of sudden she sings forcefully and clearly, and who knew she had it in her? I like the contrast. And I like the poetic lyrics, too. And the subtle humor, such as the song about a friend who's, alas, "only a friend", which is done as a tango, something usually associated with passionate romance. And I love the way there's tension in the music, and then all of a sudden there's a wonderfully comfortable feeling. The cd is full of surprises, even after listening to it many times. It's great to find something at their very beginning. Can't wait to see what's up next for her. Debra Shea Kate Bennett wrote: > > Vienna Teng > The Waking Hour > (Virt Records) > I first learned of Vienna through another performing songwriter as they were > planning a tour together, looking for venues and places to stay. Then I > heard friends raving about her performance on Letterman. Listening to music > samples, I was enchanted enough to buy her CD. Shes been described as > Chopin meets Sarah McLachlan, and although I dislike these kinds of > comparisons, in this case I admit it is very accurate. Classically trained > on piano and educated at Stanford, Viennas voice is beautiful, her lyrics > intelligent, and her melodies deeply moving. Highly recommended! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:02:28 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: "HDCD"'s versus original issue CD's; what is the REAL difference? Hi Andrew, When I first got 'Hits' I was amazed at the sound quality considering they are mostly old recordings. I didn't think songs before the 90's could sound so crystal clear. It's true that most of her albums must have been recorded well in the first place but I'm sure HDCD is better. The Geffen albums which haven't been remastered on HDCD don't sound as good. No matter how loud it turn up the volume 'Moon At The Window' and 'A Bird That Whistles' just sound too quiet! I replaced C&S with a HDCD version when I was in NY and noticed it was alot clearer and of course the booklet is so much better. I also had to replace THOSL to HDCD because it is my fave but was disappointed that the back cover is just the same as the back of the booklet and the picture of the houses was no where to be seen! Also the point where 'The Boho Dance' and 'Harry's House...' joins is different (better or worst I don't know). I think there is a bit of crackle on the HDCD version at the beginning of 'Harry's House...' which isn't on the original version. I don't think it is on the Misses HDCD version though!? Strange. All in all though I think HDCD is the best option. I can't imagine what the non HDCD version of STAS sounds like!? STEVE T NP: Jesus Was A Cross Maker (BBC live) ~ Judee Sill (American, folky and interesting) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Smith" To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 7:42 PM Subject: "HDCD"'s versus original issue CD's; what is the REAL difference? > Hi Listers: > You guys have already been great, and I appreciate all > of your help and comments. Now I have a question: > Are the newer-released "HDCD"s really superior to the > original releases? I have a few of both and I am not > sure that I can tell the difference from a strictly > audiophile point of view. > I notice that they advertise that all of the original > liner notes and artwork are included on these > releases, but I had never noticed that this was > missing from the earlier releases. > Anwyay, I am decided if I need to switch out Hejira, > Hissing, C&S, For the Roses, for the newer releases so > thanks, in advance, for your suggestions and > Cheers > Andy Smith, Greenbrae, CA > (relishing again attending June, 1983 concert at > Concord Pavilion) > > ===== > Andrew J. Smith > andy.smith@iracema.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:32:08 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Smith Subject: Small Contribution to The Library, how do I submit article? Dear Listers: I have uncovered a concert review by Peter Stack of the SF Chronicle, dated June 14, 1983. He is reviewing her concert at the Concord Pavilion. Since this is not yet part of The Library, how would I submit this? Thanks Andy Smith, (trying to make my own, small contribution ===== Andrew J. Smith andy.smith@iracema.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:59:26 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Connection (NJC - I think?) Great story Guzzi Girl !!! How neat to meet someone in your family on the JMDL. I guess along with the JMDL dating service, Les will have to start a section on finding lost loved ones :~) Jimmy (I do think Heather and I are related somehow on the family tree :) ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:22:30 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: "HDCD"'s versus original issue CD's; what is the REALdifference? Andrew Smith wrote: > > Are the newer-released "HDCD"s really superior to the > original releases? The ones with the biggest difference are Song To a Seagull and Court and Spark. In the case of STAS, the difference is quite dramatic. C&S was also an especially bad sounding CD in it's original release, so the remaster was welcome. Other titles, like For The Roses are something of an improvement, but I had to compare them repeatedly with headphones to notice the slightly silkier high end. If you have a CD player with the HDCD circuitry (I do not) you will probably notice even better sound quality. RR ps In the case of Blue, if you love this album, the gold version is worth the extra bucks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:30:25 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Streaming on the web NJC SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Can you record it off of the stream? Not that I am aware of > I was assuming that an FM broadcast would be of a superior > quality to a webcast. Yes, it would be. I was just thinking in terms of listening to it- hopefully someone in NY can tape it off the air. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:36:44 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest 2003 Raffle! Thank you, Mr. Lamadoo, and thank you all for your responses. Keep them coming in. A favor, please. When you reply to me (or the group) about what you are considering, what you are donating, questions about the raffle, or anything else related to the raffle, could you please put in the subject in great big caps RAFFLE. I often have to pass on reading my JMDL and Northeast Jonifest posts - worker bee that I am - and need help to make sure I don't miss any of these so I can respond quickly. So please, just as you try real hard to remember NJC (is this NJC? I couldn't decide - sorry if anyone is offended, but since it involves the whole community I decided it was JC, of sorts), try to remember RAFFLE. Thanks. Maggie -----Original Message----- From: jlamadoo@fuse.net [mailto:jlamadoo@fuse.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:06 PM To: NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest 2003 Raffle! I'm donating a first-edition copy of Karen O'Brien's book and a promotional LP copy of "For The Roses". Dig deep. Lama To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:43:22 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Small Contribution to The Library, how do I submit article? At 3/13/2003 02:32 PM, Andrew Smith wrote: >I have uncovered a concert review by Peter Stack of >the SF Chronicle, dated June 14, 1983. He is >reviewing her concert at the Concord Pavilion. Since >this is not yet part of The Library, how would I >submit this? Andrew and all future submitters - Simply send the text of the article to me at this address - any format on the text is fine. Also, if there are photos and you can scan them, send them along as well. Always looking for Library contributions! Thanks, Les NP: Paul Westerberg "No Place For You" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:13:17 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Joni Connection (NJC - I think?) Right you are Jimmy! I think Roberto is also related to us :-) Too bad we can't choose our family .... oh what the hey ... I'll choose you both! XO, Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of FMYFL@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:59 PM To: groovchacha@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni Connection (NJC - I think?) Great story Guzzi Girl !!! How neat to meet someone in your family on the JMDL. I guess along with the JMDL dating service, Les will have to start a section on finding lost loved ones :~) Jimmy (I do think Heather and I are related somehow on the family tree :) ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:17:59 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: Metamorphosis - NJC Has anyone heard of Metamorphosis - a 'healing technique' developed by Robert St John. The practice involves pressure points on the inside of the foot which in turn relate to gestation period - from conception to birth. He describes life in terms of Afference (consciousness) and Efference (action) - these two principles were once one and the splitting of them caused Space and Time.....and life as we know it. More info on www.metamorphosis_feet.com (underscore between metamorphosis and feet). I have been doing it for about 3 years now and it is quite remarkable... News and views please! Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:49:52 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni Mitchell: a woman of heart & mind - DVD order info details Here's the response I got to an inquiry I sent re: the Joni Mitchell video. It seems to be a stock response, as I asked them a few other questions that they didn't bother answering - jeez, don'tya hate that? They're quoting shipping and handling of only $2.00 and I don't think they're paying attention to where people live, because a UK lister told me he got the same form. Also, I think it's JUST DVD, and not available in VHS (unless they neglected to mention it.) Anyhoo, here are the details they provided: - ---------------------------------------------------- Many thanks for your enquiry regarding the Joni Mitchell DVD. The DVD will be released toward the end of May 2003 in Canada by EMI. The program is published by Eagle Vision and will be released in the United States by Eagle Vision. EMI will be distributing the program through its retail and distribution network in May. THA is taking advance order from the CBC web site, I am attaching the ordering details. Dear MANY THANKS FOR YOUR ORDER OF JONI MITCHELL: WOMAN OF HEART AND MIND. The Release date of this program is May 20, 2003. The Program features both parts 1 and 2 as seen on CBCs Life And Times series, plus some additional material. The cost to purchase the program is: $24.98 Gst: 1.75 Pst: 2.00 Shipping & Handling: 2.00 Total 30.73 You my send a cheque or money order for this amount to: THA Inc. 90 A Isabella Street Toronto, Ontario M4Y 1N4 Tel. 416-925-3766 Fax 416-925-3116 Email: tominternatonal@msn.com I am sorry, we cannot accept credit cards. Thank-you for you interest in our Joni Mitchell DVD! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:11:21 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Wall to Wall NJC In a message dated 3/13/2003 3:37:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: > So any other ideas for Sunday? Jazz brunch somewhere maybe. That sounds fine to me...as long as I'm with my friends I don't care what I do, let's just find a nice cafe and hang out. I don't fly back until 7:30 Sunday night. Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #174 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)