From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #172 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 12 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 172 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- senator byrd pc ["mack watson-bush" ] ooops njc pc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Blue Tapestry [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: senator byrd pc [Gerald Notaro ] margin of victory? (NJC) [Bruce Kimerer ] Re: senator byrd pc [David Sadowski ] Re: senator byrd pc njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re:Blue Tapestry [Gertus@aol.com] Re: senator byrd pc (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Blue Tapestry [Chris Marshall ] The origins of 'Tax Free' ["o" ] you can count on me NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Woman of Heart and Mind ["Rache A" ] origins of 'Tax Free'/Joni & religion [vince ] Part 2 is on now in the Eastern Time Zone! [] Joni in Detroit [Gary Zack ] Re: senator byrd pc (NJC) [Brian Gross ] Re: senator byrd pc njc [JRMCo1@aol.com] Part 2 - I'm overwhelmed! [Little Bird ] RE: Jonifest 2003 (NJC) ["Heather" ] RE: i'm in the paper -- NJC -- pot laws ["Heather" ] joni and the chicken 100% jc [] Re: Re: Cowboy Junkies njc [] joni and the chicken ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: njc - talk to her ["patrick leader" ] euro grass does woodstock ["kerry" ] RE: i'm in the paper -- NJC -- pot laws ["Lori Fye" ] RE: joni and the chicken ["Heather" ] RE: joni and the chicken ["Heather" ] CBC Joni, Part Two ["michael o'malley" ] home! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] home! njc [Alison E ] re: Senator Byrd pc (njc) [Dflahm@aol.com] Joni TV bios [Little Bird ] RE: Fiddle and the Drum NJC [Alison E ] Re: Joni TV bios [Doug ] Re: CBC Joni, Part Two [Ken ] Re: CBC Joni, Part Two [Ken ] Today in History: March 12 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: March 12 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Part Two, Joni CBC Special [Scott Price ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:30:44 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: senator byrd pc trying my best to avoid the political discussion but as i watch and listen to senator robert byrd i am left with one longing: why couldn't this man have been elected president? mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:37:21 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: ooops njc pc sorry joni onlines. don't read ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:33:45 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Tapestry In a message dated 3/11/2003 4:16:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve@hatstand.org writes: > Blue Tapestry is a tribute to Joni Mitchell and Carole King. > I'm sure Bob has them down! Indeed, Steve! Thanks to my pal "Joltin' Joe" Farrell, I've got a copy and have enjoyed it immensely. I love Carole King of course, but I favor the Joni tunes on this disc because they're so much more adventurous with their selections. Instead of BSN, BYT, and Woodstock we get "In France They Kiss On Main Street", "Coyote", and "Little Green" among many others. As you say, they pay tribute to the songwriter but rock out on their own accord. Very talented. I've included the Joni tracks on upcoming volumes, so don't touch that dial! My only complaint is that the CD is so hard for us to get here. You've got to print out an order form, and make payment in Pounds Sterling, unless they've changed the procedure. Lieve, maybe you can pick up some Blue Tapestry's and trade them for US CD's when you come to the Fest! ;~) Bob NP: Michael McDermott, "Shadow Of The Capitol" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:34:18 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: senator byrd pc Because he was an active member of the Ku Klux Klan and spent many years opposing civil rights for African Americans. Jerry mack watson-bush wrote: > trying my best to avoid the political discussion but as i watch and listen to > senator robert byrd i am left with one longing: why couldn't this man have > been elected president? > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:50:09 -0500 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: margin of victory? (NJC) Jerry wrote: "Those numbers represent a large number of those who vote, especially considering Bush's slim margin of victory" Mr. Bush did not have a margin of victory among voters. He had a margin of defeat. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:53:03 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: senator byrd pc The Robert Byrd of olden days probably voted for Strom Thurmond for president... and over his career, he is probably the champion legislator at larding up his state with pork barrel projects, which increased everyone's taxes. Gerald Notaro wrote: > Because he was an active member of the Ku Klux Klan and spent many > years opposing civil rights for African Americans. > > Jerry > > mack watson-bush wrote: > >> trying my best to avoid the political discussion but as i watch and >> listen to >> senator robert byrd i am left with one longing: why couldn't this man >> have >> been elected president? >> >> mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:00:24 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: senator byrd pc njc Jerry wrote: > Because he was an active member of the Ku Klux Klan and spent many years > opposing civil rights for African Americans. Being from Texas I did not know that much about Senator Byrd, although I have admired him as one of the very few that has stood up against this impending war. I researched a little more after receiving this info from Jerry. Looks as if he did make his mistakes although he has stated he regrets his actions fully. I do believe I admire him more now than before for it seems he has learned from his mistakes and I can ask no more than that. As someone who was raised to have many of those same feelings, which I have worked to dispel and throw away, I can see how he could have been caught up in that game. If all are judged by every action they have every taken (and discarded because of them), then who does that leave? Not many, if any. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:07:25 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re:Blue Tapestry In a message dated 11/03/2003 21:22:28 GMT Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: Steve wrote:- > A friend of mine just gave me the Blue Tapestry album! > Blue Tapestry is a tribute to Joni Mitchell and Carole King. > I'm sure Bob has them down! > > I went to see them live in Hastings where I live about a year ago. Wow what > a performance! I was really blown away. That's good to hear. I'm going to see them for the first time next month - in Tunbridge Wells although I'm also nervous of the "tribute" idea. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:07:42 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: senator byrd pc (NJC) > trying my best to avoid the political discussion but as i watch and > listen to senator robert byrd i am left with one longing: why > couldn't this man have been elected president? Because he's from West Virginia. Sorry, I couldn't resist that one! : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:15:49 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Blue Tapestry On Tuesday, Mar 11, 2003, at 23:07 Europe/London, Gertus@aol.com wrote: > Steve wrote:- >> A friend of mine just gave me the Blue Tapestry album! >> Blue Tapestry is a tribute to Joni Mitchell and Carole King. >> I'm sure Bob has them down! What I just heard over the phone sounded great - if we're not to see Joni live these days, then this sounds like the next best thing. If I'm brave enough to be contentious, maybe even better in some ways. I mean, I wasn't old enough to see Joni live when she was doing the material I now love most, and she doesn't perform it these days in the way I really want to hear it. If these guys are as good as they sound, I'll be able to hear it live, sounding the way I'd like it to sound. > That's good to hear. I'm going to see them for the first time next > month - in > Tunbridge Wells although I'm also nervous of the "tribute" idea. NJC now... Jacky, when is this concert precisely, in particular, which day of the week? If it all works out, I might come and see these guys. Hastings and Tunbridge Wells aren't a million miles apart either: Steve - are you in on this if the dates are good for you? Er, are there likely to be any tickets left? Cheers, - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:20:04 -0000 From: "o" Subject: The origins of 'Tax Free' Joni Mitchell Takes Up Topicality by Stephen Holden New York Times October 16, 1985 "One song, "Tax Free," denounces America's fundamentalist right. Toward the end of the song, Rod Steiger, playing a flamboyant Moral Majority-styled preacher giving a mock TV sermon, advocates the invasion of Cuba. Miss Mitchell's lyric asks, "How can he speak for the Prince of Peace when he's hawk-right militant?"" Just to clarify - this is one quote I found to justify my claims about the origins of 'Tax Free's lyrics. I didn't really want to initiate a debate on the rights and wrongs of the Reagan administration, as I don't know enough about it. From my understanding, however, Reagan was not exactly sympathetic to Communist Cuba. Rod Steiger 'preaches' at the end of the song "Our nation has whimpered and cried" Save me "And petted the Castros" Tax free "The Khomeinis' and the Kaddafis'" Save me "For so long" Tax free "That we don't know how to act like a man" Save me "I think that we should turn the United States Marines loose on that little island south of Florida and stop that problem!" The last sentence explains it clearly. Although I am aware that churches receive tax breaks, I think Joni was inferring that certain preachers were being offered further tax related incentives to preach sermons that 'corresponded' to certain governmental policies of the time. Cheers, Owen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:31:26 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: you can count on me NJC I don't suppose this film,"You can count on me" mentioned by SC JONI BOB and others, has as its theme music the excellent Grace Slick singing "You can count on me" from the Jefferson Starship (airplane?) LP does it? I WANT THAT SONG... I MISS IT AND I WANT IT, IF ANYONE HAS IT IN A MUSIC FILE I WILL LOVE YOU FOREVER.... SEND IT NOW.... please? I would hate be seen as pushy and shouty but you know the feeling when you long to hear a song and you no longer have access to it, and no one knows what the hell you are on about? Some one on the list PLEASE have it somewhere...... Hopefully someone will be kind.... Lucy XX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:57:04 -0500 From: "Rache A" Subject: Woman of Heart and Mind hi Well part two starts in a few minutes - but I think as I did with part 1 i'm going to watch it over the next few days just to one ad break at a time. But i'm curious in part 1 why they showed NY while playing Night in the City - yes it suits it but she said it's about Yorkville Ave. in Toronto... I don't know how much to expect from part 2, because with less than an hour they can't really look at anything in depth, but I'm sure I'll still enjoy seeing it. Rachel NP: Brent Titcomb - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:04:15 -0500 From: vince Subject: origins of 'Tax Free'/Joni & religion The tax exempt status of church-owned real property (real estate) (as long as it is used for church purposes) is a matter of state law on a state by state basis. Also church purchases of church related goods is also generally exempt from state taxes. And as well churches have the 501(c)(3) status (if they qualify according to the IRS guidelines) in reference to federal taxes which is why your gifts to the church are deductible. I am not aware of any particular effort during the Reagan administration to expand the tax exempt status. What I do recall is that the 1980 election was the first in which the Christian right made its presence known by massive organizing and distribution of printed materials. That was when the the terms "pro family" and such first passed into public use. On that printed material it always came out that Carter was 100% anti family and Reagan was 100% pro family. Carter was the target because he was a well known active church going born again Baptist - but he was a (dare I say) liberal. The issue of the tax exempt status arose in that election because one of the conditions is that no politics can be done in or by a tax exempt institution. I can say, Go Vote but not vote for who. I can say candidate A says this and candidate B says that, but if I put a spin on it and imply this is better than that, that is campaigning and thus a violation. If I invite a candidate to speak to the people (and no "campaigning" just being neighborly wink wink) that is ok, as long as theoretically I would invite every candidate. There were a lot of questions during and following the election about some religious tax exempt institutions violating the no politics thing. Also questions - as there are today - about what the payoffs are for delivering votes. As far as Joni and religion - as a practicing Christian I have no doubt that Joni is very well versed in the Scriptures and has an abiding interest in things religious. I am not a lyrics expert like some of you and I can't cite a string of lyrics but the references are too often and too informed to be casual. Even a phrase like "you are in my blood like holy wine" comes from someone very familiar with Eucharistic language. That would not be a phrase that would occur to most people, and as well, speaks to a relationship far more total than boyfriend/girlfriend or even lovers, it is a complete union in. which, and through something is present which as I type that makes no sense and I can't explain it. Whether it is "get back to the Garden" or Sire of Sorrows or whatever, the religious and Biblical imagery and themes run through Joni's work. My guess is she went to Sunday Church School a lot, and went to confirmation, and took it very seriously and was a very good student and learner, and while she may not be church goer anymore or have traditional beliefs (maybe she does, maybe she doesn't, she and I have never spoken) her life as she sees it is in good part a spiritual, religious journey. And I have always thought that about Joni, long before Heijera (another religious phrase) and long before Tax Free. In fact, Joni's anger in Tax Free could only (in my opinion) come from someone who takes spiritual things seriously, and Christianity seriously, and was offended by the political misuse of the Christian faith for partisan purposes. Now do I have any clue as to is Joni a Christian, no, because we have never spoke, but I would suspect yes, albeit not a traditional one (she challenges thought boundaries too much for that) who is more than capable of seeing spiritual insights and Truth in many nonChristian sources. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:06:56 -0500 From: Subject: Part 2 is on now in the Eastern Time Zone! Hey, you crazy canuck! Run to the TV. CBC-TV has part 2 on at 19:00. That's 7PM. "Life And Times" is on now in Toronto! All of us in the rest of the Joni-loving world are envious. Lama ps, Don't get used to it. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:26:16 -0800 From: Gary Zack Subject: Joni in Detroit Hi all, Believe it or not here in Detroit my roomie has cable and guess what we're getting? Joni Part2!! I convinced him to let me slip a tape in. It's on now.....just WONDERFUL!! I just wish I hadn't missed Part 1. My roommate didn't let me know we had the CBC station until after I got home from an appointment last Tuesday. To top it off, my VCR is on the fritz, so my bud, Rick, let me use his...so hopefully I'll get a good copy. I gotta get back to this show...and I have some music questions for you Kovers King, a bit later! Wow, amazing show..... So grateful to see Joni!! Gary Zack jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > Hey, you crazy canuck! Run to the TV. CBC-TV has part 2 on at 19:00. > > That's 7PM. > > "Life And Times" is on now in Toronto! > > All of us in the rest of the Joni-loving world are envious. > > Lama > > ps, Don't get used to it. [:)] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:49:45 -0500 From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: senator byrd pc (NJC) Mack wrote: > trying my best to avoid the political discussion but as i watch and > listen to senator robert byrd i am left with one longing: why > couldn't this man have been elected president? And Loooori answered: >Because he's from West Virginia. where the best place to find a date is at a family reunion ;~} npimh: Dueling Banjoes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:05:50 -0500 From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: senator byrd pc njc In a message dated 3/11/2003 5:00:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, courtandspark@earthlink.net writes: > Looks as if he did make his mistakes although he has stated he > regrets his actions fully. I do believe I admire him more now than before > for it seems he has learned from his mistakes and I can ask no more than > that. As someone who was raised to have many of those same feelings, which > I have worked to dispel and throw away, I can see how he could have been > caught up in that game. If all are judged by every action they have every > taken (and discarded because of them), then who does that > leave? Not many, > if any. > > mack I'm glad he regrets his actions, but I'll stop short of being an apologist for him. Many of them were egregious and unforgivable. The difference between his dispelled "feelings" and those of others who may have harbored similar rascist beliefs is that he acted on his under the color of authority as a lawmaker, which could adversely affect the lives millions of innocents in perpetuity, possibly. In addition to being a member and recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan in his late 20's, he voted against confirmation of Thurgood Marshall for Supreme Court Justice as a senator. He was adamently opposed to civil rights legislation to the extent that he filibustered against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the legal cornerstone of the Civil Rights Movement (along with the Supreme Court's Brown v. Board of Education decision in 1954)for 14 hours. On the other hand, he voted not to convict President Clinton during the Senate phase of the impeachment hearings, voted against Clarence Thomas' confirmation to the Supreme Court, and he's spoken out against this damnable Iraq war, so he's not *all* bad. Still, for President? I hope not ever. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:11:52 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Part 2 - I'm overwhelmed! Oh my gosh, Part 2 really did send me over the edge with its beauty. The final scenes, with the last portion of the orchestral Both Sides Now playing, were so moving: Joni's paintings interwoven with images of Joni painting on canvas, laughing with Kilauren, singing on stage, taking photographs of her grandchildren ... and then that wonderful red cape image again - a young Joni running on the beach, chasing seagulls, chasing dreams. And the violins and horns swell up with my tears... Wow. The film footage used of Joni with her daughter and grandchildren was just incredible: climbing trees, Joni dancing in Kilauren's backyard with her grandchildren, looking at flowers together, climbing on a jungle-gym. It's amazing, rare footage that will bowl you over with its beauty. Joni is so down to earth. As for the rest of the content, quite a bit was covered, mostly career focused. They talked a lot about Mingus and there was a lot of footage of Joni performing songs from Blue and Court & Spark. Her 80s period was only touched on with an examination of "Wild Things" with interviews with Larry Klein. Unfortunately, Hissing wasn't even mentioned and DJRD was only just barely touched on, mainly to do with influence on Mingus. Other rare footage includes a young Joni cutting a rug at a house party in the 70s, with Mama Cass and friends. There is also footage of Joni recording the 2000 version of Both Sides Now in the studio and writing out what look to be lyrics while sitting at a small desk. There are numerous photos of Joni through the ages, some that I have never seen before - gorgeous glamour shots and family photos courtesy of Kilauren. Kilauren speaks exactly like Joni! It's amazing how similar they sound. They both have the same inflection and intonnation, the same laugh. She was interviewed only briefly, but she did say that it felt like she had gone on a short trip but was just now coming home - it felt like no time had passed and she fell right back into comfort. And then there film footage of Joni on the beach, hugging Kilauren. This was a spectacular documentary. You will be absolutely overwhelmed by it when you see it. In a final interview Joni says that she always hoped that there would be other kindred souls out there just like her, who would love and feel the music, "It turns out," she says, "that there are!" Here we are. - -Andrew Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:15:15 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Jonifest 2003 (NJC) or "plant your ass in the garden" :-) heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Lori Fye Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 1:31 PM To: Murphycopy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Jonifest 2003 (NJC) Smurf asked: > Is the name of this year's fest also "Jonifest -- Back to the > Garden," or will there be a naming contest, too? If there is a contest, my suggestion is: "Get Your Ass to the Garden!" ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:17:21 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: i'm in the paper -- NJC -- pot laws doesn't marijuana have some medicinal benefits for glaucoma patients also? heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Susan Guzzi Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 1:14 PM To: Lori Fye Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: i'm in the paper -- NJC -- pot laws Lori wrote: (but he also self-medicated with "the real thing," too). I don't know if it's > any good for pain management. This I do know! YES I have managed to forget all about pain .... when I have been forced to take it for medicinal purposes. ;-P > > Lori, > who totally and completely supports the legalization of marijuana I'll second that! Peace, Susan Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:18:38 -0500 From: Subject: joni and the chicken 100% jc Marianne asked: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "What would Joni say about the chicken?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great question. Obviously, Joni's chicken is of two minds about crossing the road. The eagle and the serpent are at war in her. Should she stay on the comfortable side with its soft emotions, so fast, so smart? The world is at her feet, but what about her heart? She's had success, lots of fancy friends, yet she risks everything when she begins anew. There's danger in leaving home, in living up such a reckless lifestyle. Just last week she saw a farmhouse burning down in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of the night. What if Joni's chicken stops in the middle of the road, frozen in thought? Stopping in the road, a prisoner of the white lines, she could be hit. Deciding is hard work yet indecision could be fatal: You choose. And you lose if you hesitate. Home is boring and sad yet there's comfort in melancholy. Now she's thinking "That's no substitute. It just don't do it; come on now; you've got to try. Feck it. Strut like a rooster. March like a man." Tired of the inner dialog she murmurs aloud, "I'm always talking, chicken squawking." Puffed up and strutting, she darts out. A car on the hill! "You're not a hit-and-run driver! Bwak! No! No! Bwak!" Theatre of anguish. Theatre of glory. A thousand glass eyes were staring. In the middle of the road (Hynde), the stiff blue-haired house rules don't apply. Grazed! She keeps hearing bells all around her. She stumbles, like a mad man, kicking over garbage cans. Spins; blacks out. She winds up wounded, not even dead. No one watches when the ambulance pulls away. (Springsteen) Down and shaking when it thinks she thinks she's lost. Again. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:33:56 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: Cowboy Junkies njc McKay, I'm glad you enjoyed seeing the Cowboy Junkies in Toronto's Trinity Church. Yet, yer breakin' my heart. Do you know what it signifies that they played there? Do you "get" why she opened with the acapella version of "We Are Miners"? Seattle Mark, help me out here. I just can't bear to put it into words...... Catherine, you wrote about exactly the experience I've written about many times: you show up a little early for a Junkies' show......... you see a fecking WORLD CLASS BAND from 4 feet away for the price of a single tank of petrol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lama, still reeling from seeing them do the song "Open" the last time around. I'm so open/I don't sleep most nights/just lie awake and count my blessings/ wow. What a fabulous venue to see them Catherine !!!! Lama eat your heart out dude....this was la creme de la creme :-)) Mags, proud to be Canadian still. ;-) p.s Lama, which is your current email addy? I have two. Catherine McKay wrote: I just got back from seeing Cowboy Junkies live this evening. They were playing in Trinity St Paul's Church in downtown Toronto and what a nice venue that is. It was general admission and I was there early enough that I got a good seat only 7-8 rows from the front, right on the aisle, so I got a good view and good sound. To be honest, there probably isn't a bad seat in the place. The room isn't very large and I suppose there may have been 400 people or so there all told (maybe more - it's hard to estimate that stuff. They started off with Margo's a cappella "We are miners" song and played many old favourites along with three songs from an album that won't be out until 2004, and ended with a killer version of "Sweet Jane." Very satisfying and very delightful. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - - JM Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:07:49 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: joni and the chicken >>What would Joni say about the chicken?<< "Well I looked at the granite markers Those tribute to finality to eternity And then I looked at myself here Chicken scratching for my immortality" Hejira ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:06:06 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: njc - talk to her the new york times had three of its movie critics weighing in with their oscar predictions last week. each of them had to pick a 'will win', 'should win', and 'should've been a contender' and two of three picked 'talk to her' in that third category. certainly would have been the best of the year if they'd asked me. and the movie really should have been nominated and in 'best director' (where almodsvar IS nominated) two of three picked him for 'should'. but they all three picked scorsese to win. here's the link. http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/movies/20030308_OSCARS/cul_OSCARS_flash .html patrick, who thinks 'y tu mama tambien' should have had more chances to win np - leo brouwer - guitar concerto no. 6 'helsinki' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:21:19 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: euro grass does woodstock Bob wrote: >And don't even get me started on all the permutations of BSN's "angel hair" beginning...goes & floes, bows & >rows, swirls and curls, and Kathryn Grayson's unintelligible "oers & ploors"!?! Swirls and curls? eeeuuww! That reminds me...I saw the lyrics to ACOY on a Tori Amos website a while back and they had, "On the back of a cotton coaster..." It would be hard to draw a map of Canada on cotton! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:28:28 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: i'm in the paper -- NJC -- pot laws Heather asked: > doesn't marijuana have some medicinal benefits for glaucoma patients > also? Yes, it does. I don't know if the drug Dronabinol (Marinol) accomplishes the same thing. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:37:07 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: senator byrd pc (NJC) Brian (or was it Mags?) wrote: > And Loooori answered: > >Because he's from West Virginia. > > where the best place to find a date is at a family reunion ;~} And to add to my personal embarrassment, the "official" Fye family reunion - for my branch anyway - is held every July in Ripley, WV (believe it or not). I still can't figure this out, as NONE of us grew up there!! > npimh: Dueling Banjoes LOL ... scary! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:49:10 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: joni and the chicken oh, come on guys! Sweet chicken you are Briefer than a crosswalk star All these vain promises from Purdue li-ars Somewhere with your wings on time You must be clucking Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:08 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: joni and the chicken >>What would Joni say about the chicken?<< "Well I looked at the granite markers Those tribute to finality to eternity And then I looked at myself here Chicken scratching for my immortality" Hejira ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:55:23 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: joni and the chicken Last chance lost- The chicken cannot make the change Last chance lost- The bird will not be tamed Last chance lost- Hope the other side is not a rifle range (I'd like to think Joni would have a sense of humor) Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:08 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: joni and the chicken >>What would Joni say about the chicken?<< "Well I looked at the granite markers Those tribute to finality to eternity And then I looked at myself here Chicken scratching for my immortality" Hejira ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:19:45 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: CBC Joni, Part Two Well, they saved the best for last. Get out your hankerchiefs cause this one's gonna pull at the heartstrings. Very well done, lots of concert footage, lots of Joni at the piano (for all us Joni Piano affecionados). Joni is just so vital and beautiful. But we knew that already. In part 2, Joni's growth, evolution and risk taking are emphasized. Very touching commentaries from Klein. Intimate snippets of home movies with her new family bring the story full circle. I would love to see this as one continuous film, sans commercials. Can't wait. Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:34:34 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: home! njc a short one to let you all know that i'm safe (though never sound) and back at home. after some very trying delays, my plane took off at midnight and i got to buenos aires just in time for a shower and cup of REAL coffee before my interview with the people from the london business school (no big deal in the end, but lots of fun having tea with a bunch of english people at a posh buenos aires hotel). the flight was horrible -- wailing babies and farting senior citizens all around -- but i got through customs without any problem, so i count my blessings. brunch with ashara, maggie, chuck, barbara, jody, *that guy*, anne, ric, and my adored bob murphy, and the music and bull session in arlington will remain as the highlights of my trip -- not to mention bob doing irish little old lady and his new character (whose name i won't reveal because i know it'll surpass ethel at the next jonifest and i don't want to spoil the surprise). what else can i say? i got all the subzero windchill a winter freak can tolerate, i drank gallons of ginger ale, i ate crab cakes and i even got to speak to stephen in vancouver. oh stephen! i am such an imbecile! i never thanked you for the dan hicks cd when we were on the phone. i think this new instance of my forgetfulness beats even the time ashara gave me the darling little jars and i didn't have a clue why she was doing so! please forgive this spaced-out old queen. i have little messages for each one of you in my heart that i will keep to myself so that their positive vibrations increase their power thousandfold. we're in for some stormy weather worldwide. we all know that. but my jmdl family will stand. united, divided, whatever. love, wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:42:56 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] home! njc wally, i'm glad to hear you had a good time. i am so excited to see you in august! i've missed you. we all missed your energy last year. i'm so jealous that you got to hang out with smurph. love and kisses, alison - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > a short one to let you all know that i'm safe > (though never sound) and back > at home. after some very trying delays, my plane > took off at midnight and i > got to buenos aires just in time for a shower and > cup of REAL coffee before > my interview with the people from the london > business school (no big deal in > the end, but lots of fun having tea with a bunch of > english people at a posh > buenos aires hotel). the flight was horrible -- > wailing babies and farting > senior citizens all around -- but i got through > customs without any problem, > so i count my blessings. > brunch with ashara, maggie, chuck, barbara, jody, > *that guy*, anne, ric, and > my adored bob murphy, and the music and bull session > in arlington will > remain as the highlights of my trip -- not to > mention bob doing irish little > old lady and his new character (whose name i won't > reveal because i know > it'll surpass ethel at the next jonifest and i don't > want to spoil the > surprise). > what else can i say? i got all the subzero windchill > a winter freak can > tolerate, i drank gallons of ginger ale, i ate crab > cakes and i even got to > speak to stephen in vancouver. oh stephen! i am such > an imbecile! i never > thanked you for the dan hicks cd when we were on the > phone. i think this new > instance of my forgetfulness beats even the time > ashara gave me the darling > little jars and i didn't have a clue why she was > doing so! please forgive > this spaced-out old queen. > i have little messages for each one of you in my > heart that i will keep to > myself so that their positive vibrations increase > their power thousandfold. > we're in for some stormy weather worldwide. we all > know that. but my jmdl > family will stand. united, divided, whatever. > love, > wally Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:47:47 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: re: Senator Byrd pc (njc) Most news stories I have read about Byrd depict him as an impassioned champion of the United States Senate and its prerogatives. If these are accurate, then some of his opposition to war vs Iraq goes to the fact that it's the President, not the Senate making the decisions and giving the orders. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:50:49 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Joni TV bios What I see now, after watching this documentary on CBC, is how woefully ill-equipped a program like A&E's Biography is when it comes to re-telling the story of a life as complex as Joni's. As stated in the Ottawa Citizen article, this documentary went for a very poetic retelling of the events of Joni's life and career and had a natural curve from beginning to end. The formulaic pandering of A&E's Biography, with cheesy celebrity interviews and a trite voice over skimming the lushness of facts, would really not begin to do Joni justice. The reason I mention it is because it's always bothered me that A&E never did a biography on Joni and yet offered up bios on smaller fry like Connie Francis. But I see now that it was likely Joni who refused to take part in such a hasty rehashing of facts. What this "Woman of Heart and Mind" documentary really proves is that Joni is worth a million words but that only the fewest and most choice words are worthy of use when describing such a legend. - -Andrew Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:08:06 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: RE: Fiddle and the Drum NJC thanks for that, lori. i was well, quite nervous about singing it, actually, and not just cause i had had alot to drink, either! it was a very daunting task, in many ways. i hope to sing again this year! though not that song, kay and i are doing a rousing rendition of HUH! GOOD GOD Y'ALL! WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Say it again! alison e. in slc. np: bruce hornsby Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 10:10:37 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: The Fiddle and the Drum Marianne wrote: > WE could play and sing The Fiddle and the Drum this week > and wish our hearts out > or "pray" > >One of the most beautiful moments at last year's >JoniFest, imo, was >w>hen Kay and Alison sang "The Fiddle and the >Drum" ... it brought tears >to my eyes. >Lori Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:13:17 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Joni TV bios For the complete story we'll have to wait for the Ken Burns ten part series. You know: The Civil War, Baseball, Jazz, Joni Mitchell... KEN. Where are you? Doug ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:08:24 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: CBC Joni, Part Two Maybe. And with your pledge of only $160 which you can pay by either cheque or now with Mastercard or Visa we will send you your own Joni Mitchell crying towel and.... michael o'malley wrote: > I would love to see >this as one continuous film, sans commercials. Can't wait. > >Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:32:16 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: CBC Joni, Part Two When I first heard the Mendoza treatment of the song Both Sides Now with its Terry Riley feel of circular motion I felt that it was done with the intention of giving the same feel as The Circle Game and its "what goes around comes around" theme. While hearing it again on the CBC program tonight I felt that even more strongly and wouldn't be surprised if the idea was Joni's. I can hear Joni saying to Vince "Make it go around and round". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 02:11:13 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 12 1967: Joni was interviewed in Philadelphia by Ed Sciaky. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=607 1974: Joni performed at the Seattle Center Arena - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 02:11:13 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 12 On March 12 the following item was published: 1967: "Interview with Ed Sciaky" - WMMR (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=607 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:41:11 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Part Two, Joni CBC Special The second segment of this documentary was given an impossible task...to cram Joni's career from the early 1970s to present into a 50-minute TV show. Given the constraint, it pulled it off pretty well, but was forced to focus on only a few key elements. The show gave brief glimpses of live performances of songs from "Blue," "For The Roses," "Court and Spark," and "Hejira." Joni candidly referred to her own blue period and told of retreating to her Canadian hideaway for a year while she fought depression and a breakdown. The producers openly pointed out that "Blue" was a landmark for Joni, her fans, and the music world as she bared her soul like no one had done before and forever changed the rules for singer-songwriters by introducing an era of total openness and honesty. Joni's collaboration with Charles Mingus and her fall from commercial success was ably chronicled, and the big message here was that she has never compromised her muse, even as David Geffen and others were encouraging her to keep mining the pop music formula created with C&S, she was only interested in working with the Jacos and the Herbies and the Shorters of the world, believing these musicians were the only ones suited to produce the sounds and colors she was seeking. There are many touching moments, many great still photos and videos (JMDL's own Simon M. was mentioned in the ending credits), but I felt a definite air of finality at the close of the show. It was as if the show was saying Joni's had this long and fascinating and creative career but now it's gone full circle. Although not stated in so many words, it felt like they were saying her writing and performing and recording days are over. Of course we've been hearing this for years...I only hope it doesn't turn out to be as true as the rest of the "hour" program was. Still highly recommended, but to me not nearly as insightful as part one, Scott ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #172 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)