From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #171 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 11 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 171 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- There's no place like home (njc) ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: njc The Good Girl [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: i'm in the paper -- NJC -- pot laws ["Lori Fye" ] Re: njc The Good Girl [vince ] Re: njc The Good Girl [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Alliterative Joni, Also , Tax Free (WARNING: Political Content!!! NJC) ["Mary E. Pitassi" ] Re: joni and the chicken (sjc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: calling all Joni wannabes [Jeff Koko ] Re: joni and the chicken (sjc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: joni and the chicken (sjc) [Brian Gross ] Re: Alliterate Joni Also 'Tax Free' now njc ["kakki" ] Re: Alliterative Joni, Also , Tax Free (WARNING: Political Content!!! NJC) ["kakki" ] Re: Alison Moyet - Hometime - BUY IT!!! NJC [Gerald Notaro ] njc The Good Girl ["Kate Bennett" ] CBC Part 2 spoiler ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: covers #38 revelations [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Jonifest 2003 (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] al gore njc ["ron" ] euro grass does woodstock [Mags N Brei ] Re: i'm in the paper -- NJC -- pot laws [Susan Guzzi ] Re: euro grass does woodstock [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] About "Woman of Heart and Mind" [Little Bird ] Blue Tapestry ["Stephen Toogood" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 06:29:54 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: There's no place like home (njc) Well after many bumps in the road I am finally back home. Sorry to post a personal to the list but to reply to all of you individually would be nuts! Even though things did not work out the week that you were all keeping your fingers crossed for me it did at least push the issue. Once the ball was rolling everything moved along quite nicely. Thanks again to all the words of encouragement I have received throughout my ordeal. If there was going to be another writers contest I would have one helluva story to tell! See you all at the fest! Sue _____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB, POP3, Spam Filtering with LYCOS MAIL PLUS for $19.95/year. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus&ref=lmtplus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:05:07 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc The Good Girl In a message dated 3/10/2003 11:31:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: > Want to rent a good dvd? > > Jennifer Aniston's The Good Girl. I'm with you, Vince...I saw it in the theater way back when and loved it. Jennifer was prefectly cast and was, as you say, brilliant. Did the DVD have some good extras? My favorite line of 2002 comes from this movie: "Have sex with me or break your husband's heart" And it did evoke a lot of comparison to "You Can Count On Me" in its study of a female trapped in her own skin in her own life of quiet desperation. I also caught "Frida" last week. Selma Hayek deserves the Oscar for her work here, just incredible. And Almodovar's "Talk To Her" was very moving & original as well, but that's no surprise from him. The joy was taking my sisters to see it (neither one had seen an Almodovar film before) and then watching them race to the Blockbuster to get every other film he's made. Bob NP: John Mayer, "Back To You" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 05:30:32 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: i'm in the paper -- NJC -- pot laws WAY behind on stuff, I just wanted to chime in on this, one of my favorite discussions ... Smurf wrote: > The issue of medical marijuana use should have been settled years ago > in favor of patients who want it, period. I bit that if some mega- > drug company could figure out a way to own the rights to marijuana, > patients who need it would have it in no time. A drug already exists that's a marijuana "derivative." Dronabinol, more commonly known as Marinol, is used to increase appetite for HIV/AIDS patients. My brother took it, and it seemed to help (but he also self-medicated with "the real thing," too). I don't know if it's any good for pain management. More info: http://www.hivdent.org/drugs/DRONABINOL.htm and http://www.marinol.com Lori, who totally and completely supports the legalization of marijuana ~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:45:15 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Alliterate Joni Also 'Tax Free' now njc kakki wrote: > > > I never heard of Reagan on the 700 Club. Here is the transcript of his appearance: http://www.patrobertson.com/Statesman/RonaldReagan.asp Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:51:42 +0000 From: "Sarah Cartwright" Subject: Re: calling all Joni wannabes sorry, i always seem to be 2 days behind everyone else in posting and by that time everyone else has moved on but anyway....i loved the thread on the joni wannabes and thought i would share the fact that my boss ( mind you, he was drunk...) at my xmas party just passed, said to me half way through the meal, " I've just realised who it is you remind me of Sarah, Joni Mitchell". Could I believe it??!! I think to this day he does not quite realise the impact that had on me. Unfortunately, however I think he may have been clutching at straws with the long blonde hair, and piano playing traits, seeing as i certainly would not even put myself anywhere near Ms Mitchell on that score but anyway, it put a smile on my face for a good few days after!! bye for now, sarah ( with absolutely no sign of cheekbones whatsoever) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send instant messages for free with MSN Messenger. Click here to download it now! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:53:37 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: njc The Good Girl >In a message dated 3/10/2003 11:31:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: > >Want to rent a good dvd? > >Jennifer Aniston's The Good Girl. > > >and SCBob replied: > >I'm with you, Vince...I saw it in the theater way back when and loved it. Jennifer was prefectly cast and was, as you say, brilliant. Did the DVD have some good extras? > >My favorite line of 2002 comes from this movie: >"Have sex with me or break your husband's heart" > So many good lines in the movie but that was a great one! The dvd has deleted scenes, all of which were interesting, most were very charming, and one of them was in my mind a real loss to the movie, so get the dvd and see it. Also Aniston did a nice job commenting on the film. I have always avoided Aniston films because I was not sure what she could do beyond Rachel on Friends (on which I thought she is outstanding) but her performance just blew me away - she is an incredibly gifted actress, this character is light years away from Rachel and she plays Justine prefectly. And the rest of the script, being so well written, so well acted, just good scene after good scene... For once, I didn't see the plot twists in advance and where the film was going, it was a quiet unfolding of a well crafted, well acted gently told story that had me full of wonder and eager to see what Justine and Holden would do next. I hope we have said enough that others will go rent this and discover one of the real joys of movies in 2002. And Bob, you are not only a music slut, you are a cinemaista too - and I am very thankful that you responded to my post. Your opinion matters to me a great deal and I am glad that you fell for this charming and thoughtful movie as I did. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:11:47 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc The Good Girl In a message dated 3/11/2003 8:53:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: > I have always avoided Aniston films because I was not sure > what she > could do beyond Rachel on Friends Hopefully she can beat the stereotype; I've never seen "Friends" but anyone who inhabits a character for that long definitely gets typecast and has to beat a prejudice. I would imagine the toughest obstacle is to get the chance to tackle a great script like "Good Girl". Laura Linney's choices after "You Can Count on Me" haven't been very good and she's lost the momentum of that movie. Hopefully Jennifer will have better luck. I suppose it really is true that good scripts for women are hard to find. This weeks film: "Rodger Dodger" I'm very excited that our "Upstate Film Society" has (temporarily) convinced one of the multiplexes to turn over ONE screen (out of 20) Tues/Weds/Thurs nights for indie films. Bob NP: Curtis Mayfield, "Superfly(single mix)" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:22:24 -0600 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: RE: Alliterative Joni, Also , Tax Free (WARNING: Political Content!!! NJC) Kakki wrote: This is wild to me. Churches have ALWAYS received tax exemptions. I never heard of a movement to invade Cuba in the 80s! I always thought "Tax Free" was about how many of the unscrupulous TV preachers were using that tax advantage to build multi-million dollar broadcasting, theme park, publishing etc. empires while bilking poor grandmas out of their social security checks. If anything the government was going after many of them in the 80s (see history of the downfall of Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert and a number of others). Maybe some of you can point me to this lost history of the 80s regarding "tax breaks for support of a Cuban invasion." Kakki's understanding is also my understanding of this song and its genesis. Kakki also wrote: While the "religious right" usually do support conservative candidates, they only represent a small portion of all people who vote conservative for a thousand reasons other than religion. I abhored the TV preachers because of their sleazy opportunism. And what they professed does not represent conservative political ideals of live and let live and freedom to live your life and follow your own beliefs as an individual. I'm surprised to hear Joni making such sweeping generalizations here. Agree with her on the song but not her understanding of conservatives in this instance." Can't agree here, Kakki. A "small" portion? Admittedly, the religious right does not represent all conservatives. My own brother, a thoughtful man who is more influenced by his philosophical beliefs on the nature of government and people than by his religious faith in forming political opinions, lies outside this designation. And I realize that you do not identify with this group. However, I'd like to see numbers on the relative breakdown (although I am not suggesting that anyone post them here: LOL!). My thinking is that this faction has been a huge influence on the strategy and goals of the Republican Party since the Reagan administration, is not insignificant, and is not small in number, although it may or may not constitute a majority. Believe it or not, I come from good conservative roots, and even voted for Gerald Ford in my first presidential election! But the conservatives lost me with the rightward, explicitly Christian, mainly evangelical-toned turn they took with Reagan. (Yes, I realize that not all evangelical Christians identify with the religious right, either). Finally, Kakki wrote, in response to David: ">I believe that both the Republican Liberty Caucus and > the Democratic Freedom Caucus embrace these ideals. Seems to me a "live and > let live" administration would not have spent taxpayer money to agressively > prosecute a state-sanctioned medical marijuana grower, for example. I would assume they were only following existing laws. Every conservative I have ever known, including one parent, believes in the decriminalization of drugs and certainly hands-offs from the medical marijuana growers." First, as you know and I know, "following existing laws" differs dramatically depending on the prosecutor or prosecuting agency, and his/her/its use of prosecutorial discretion. But in any event, medical marijuana is only one example of the current administration's willingness to meddle in individual liberties. The Bush administration--in general, on the whole, and even apart from its response to September 11--can hardly be characterized as "live and let live" on these issues. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it! ;-) I'm very sorry if this post offended anyone. Since this appears to now be a full-blown thread, I suggest that, if it continues, it be moved to the PC list Les has set up for this purpose. Really, really enjoying all the talk of All Things Joni here! Take care, Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:57:18 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Alliterative Joni, Also , Tax Free (WARNING: Political Content!!! NJC) > Kakki wrote: > > > While the "religious right" > usually do support conservative candidates, they only represent a small > portion of all people who vote conservative for a thousand reasons other > than religion. Mary P. wrote: > Can't agree here, Kakki. A "small" portion? Admittedly, the religious right > does not represent all conservatives. My own brother, a thoughtful man who is > more influenced by his philosophical beliefs on the nature of government and > people than by his religious faith in forming political opinions, lies outside > this designation. And I realize that you do not identify with this group. > However, I'd like to see numbers on the relative breakdown (although I am not > suggesting that anyone post them here: LOL!). My thinking is that this > faction has been a huge influence on the strategy and goals of the Republican > Party since the Reagan administration, is not insignificant, and is not small > in number, although it may or may not constitute a majority. You are quite correct, Mary. 14% of those who voted in the year 2000 identified themselves as members of the Religious Right. And 79% of them voted Republican. Those numbers represent a large number of those who vote, especially considering Bush's slim margin of victory. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:39:41 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: joni and the chicken (sjc) What would Joni say about the chicken? Marianne >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:39:03 -0500 >From: "patrick leader" >Subject: FW: chickens - njc >GEORGE W. BUSH We don't really care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road or not. The chicken is either with us or it is against us. There is no middle ground here. AL GORE I invented the chicken. I invented the road. Therefore, the chicken crossing the road represented the application of these two different functions of government in a new, reinvented way designed to bring greater services to the American people. COLIN POWELL Now at the left of the screen, you clearly see the satellite image of the chicken crossing the road. HANZ BLIX We have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we have not yet been allowed access to the other side of the road. MOHAMMED ALDOURI (Iraq ambassador) The chicken did not cross the road. This is a complete fabrication. We don't even have a chicken. SADDAM HUSSEIN This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it RALPH NADER The chicken's habitat on the original side of the road had been polluted by unchecked industrialist greed. The chicken did not reach the unspoiled habitat on the other side of the road because it was crushed by the wheels of a gas-guzzling SUV. PAT BUCHANAN To steal a job from a decent, hard-working American. RUSH LIMBAUGH I don't know why the chicken crossed the road, but I'll bet it was getting a government grant to cross the road, and I'll bet someone out there is already forming a support group to help chickens with crossing-the-road syndrome. Can you believe this? How much more of this can real Americans take? Chickens crossing the road paid for by their tax dollars, and when I say tax dollars, I'm talking about your money, money the government took from you to build roads for chickens to cross. MARTHA STEWART No one called to warn me which way that chicken was going. I had a standing order at the farmer's market to sell my eggs when the price dropped to a certain level. No little bird gave me any insider information. JERRY FALWELL Because the chicken was gay! Isn't it obvious? Can't you people see the plain truth in front of your face? The chicken was going to the other side. That's what they call it -- the other side. Yes, my friends, that chicken is gay. And, if you eat that chicken, you will become gay too. I say we boycott all chickens until we sort out this abomination that the liberal media whitewashes with seemingly harmless phrases like the other side. DR. SEUSS Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes, The chicken crossed the road, But why it crossed, I've not been told! ERNEST HEMINGWAY To die. In the rain. Alone. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. I envision a world where all chickens will be free to cross roads without having their motives called into question. GRANDPA In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Someone told us that the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough for us. BARBARA WALTERS Isn't that interesting? In a few moments we will be listening to the chicken tell, for the first time, the heart-warming story of how it experienced a serious case of molting and went on to accomplish its life-long dream of crossing the road. JOHN LENNON Imagine all the chickens crossing roads in peace. ARISTOTLE It is the nature of chickens to cross the road. KARL MARX It was an historical inevitability. VOLTAIRE I may not agree with what the chicken did, but I will defend to the death its right to do it. RONALD REAGAN What chicken? CAPTAIN KIRK To boldly go where no chicken has gone before. FOX MULDER You saw it cross the road with your own eyes! How many more chickens have to cross before you believe it? SIGMUND FREUD The fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken crossed the road reveals your underlying sexual insecurity. BILL GATES I have just released eChicken 2003, which will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your checkbook - - and Internet Explorer is an inextricable part of eChicken. ALBERT EINSTEIN Did the chicken really cross the road or did the road move beneath the chicken? BILL CLINTON I did not cross the road with THAT chicken. What do you mean by chicken? Could you define chicken, please? COLONEL SANDERS I missed one?< _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:53:49 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni and the chicken (sjc) In a message dated 3/11/2003 10:39:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, treegreen1@hotmail.com writes: > What would Joni say about the chicken? That it's a chicken of Heart & Mind, crossing, and traveling traveling traveling a lonely road with no eggs to raise. Bob NP: Edwin McCain, "See The Sky Again" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:10:35 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Koko Subject: Re: calling all Joni wannabes Hmmmm... reminds me of my ex-girlfriend. A dead-ringer for a young Joni. In fact, before I knew her name I used to call her Joni. Think of a real-life cover of "Clouds." The high cheek bones, the brilliant huge smile, long blonde hair. - --- Sarah Cartwright wrote: > sorry, i always seem to be 2 days behind everyone else in posting and > by > that time everyone else has moved on but anyway....i loved the thread > on > the joni wannabes and thought i would share the fact that my boss ( > mind > you, he was drunk...) at my xmas party just passed, said to me half > way > through the meal, " I've just realised who it is you remind me of > Sarah, > Joni Mitchell". Could I believe it??!! I think to this day he does > not > quite realise the impact that had on me. Unfortunately, however I > think > he may have been clutching at straws with the long blonde hair, and > piano > playing traits, seeing as i certainly would not even put myself > anywhere > near Ms Mitchell on that score but anyway, it put a smile on my face > for > a good few days after!! > > bye for now, > > sarah ( with absolutely no sign of cheekbones whatsoever) > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Send instant messages for free with MSN Messenger. Click here to > download > it now! ===== Trade list: http://db.etree.org/koko "I DO know what my songs are about. Oh, some are about four minutes; some are about five. And some, believe it or not, are about eleven or twelve." -- Bob Dylan Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:16:44 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni and the chicken (sjc) --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > What would Joni say about the chicken? That it's always talkin', chicken squawkin' (bawk-bawk-bawk-BAWK!) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:30:55 -0500 From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: joni and the chicken (sjc) anima_rising@yahoo.ca wrote: > --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > >What would Joni say about the chicken? > >That it's always talkin', chicken squawkin' >(bawk-bawk-bawk-BAWK!) > > And chicken scratching for its own immortality hmmm...an immortal chicken...wonder if it could be like a stone crab...chop off an extremity and throw it back to grow another? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:07:18 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Alliterate Joni Also 'Tax Free' now njc Thanks Jerry - I found it yesterday. Most all Reagan discussed was the deficit, budget and tax reform. There was nothing in there about invading Cuba or anything related to that. There was no discussion of those who criticized Reagan. If this is the show Joni saw, I am at a loss to see where she got her interpretation. Noy yo say she could not form a valid impression by watching some other show out there. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:12:24 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Alliterative Joni, Also , Tax Free (WARNING: Political Content!!! NJC) Jerry wrote: > You are quite correct, Mary. > 14% of those who voted in the year 2000 identified themselves as members > of the Religious Right. And 79% of them voted Republican. So 79% of 14% equals 11% who voted Republican. That's a small portion to me, unless one thinks 0% is the acceptable portion! I wonder what the % of religious fundamentalists vote Democrat. I'd guess it would be about the same. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:05:03 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: Who is (was) Gisele MacKenzie? (now SJC) Gisele MacKenzie was one of Canada's favorite singers from the post WWII era. She was born in Winnepeg and achieved great success in her native country singing popular tunes and light classics. Gisele came to the US in 1951 where she performed on the "Club 15" show (was this radio?) and later as a regular guest "luminary" on "(The) Your Hit Parade" sharing the stage with Jack Benny. And why you should care? In 1958, she had a Canadian hit record single and LP called, "Hard To Get." On the album was her version of "Unchained Melody" (originally written by Alex North as incidental music for the film, "Unchained" in 1951). The style of the piece was lush and orchestral, not unlike BSN/Travelogue in the romantic tradition beloved by Joni. Given MacKenzie's popularity in Canada, and not knowing how easily American records made it to jukeboxes in Canadian prairie cities in the 1950s, I think it's entirely possible that Gisele MacKenzie was the singer on the version Joni, Gail and Louise (maybe there was a happy ending) were dropping dimes to hear "one more time." This is pure speculation of course, as I can't prove that MacKenzie's version made it to a format (even a B-side) that was playable on jukeboxes of the era, or that any of the other versions of the song available by period artists: Les Baxter, Perry Como, Al Hibbler, Ricky Nelson (the more likely -- July 1958), Gene Vincent, The Platters, Andy Williams ('59), or The Lettermen were the chosen one. Given Joni's affinity for the classic/romantic forms, it wouldn't surprise me if she broke the mold from time to time to break away from the rock n' roll hysteria to spin something like Gisele's version. So, in the absence of a detailed autobiography, my reconstruction of the events sounds like that. Oh, for a muse of fire... Oh, for a time machine... CC "Back in 1957 we had to dance a foot apart." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:18:37 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Alliterative Joni, Also , Tax Free (WARNING: Political Content!!! NJC) Mary wrote: > But the conservatives lost me with the rightward, explicitly Christian, mainly evangelical-toned turn they > took with Reagan. (Yes, I realize that not all evangelical Christians identify > with the religious right, either). They lost me there, too (but not forever) > First, as you know and I know, "following existing laws" differs dramatically > depending on the prosecutor or prosecuting agency, and his/her/its use of > prosecutorial discretion. What I was thinking about was California overwhelmingly passing legalization of medical medical a few years back. It was the Federal government under the previous administration and Janet Reno who vowed to fight this change in state law which was not consistent (under their interpretation) with Federal law. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:08:24 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: Alison Moyet - Hometime - BUY IT!!! NJC Has anyone heard/bought the latestish Alison Moyet album "Hometime"? I recommend it to old fans and new. If anyone remembers her voice from Yazoo days and "Alf" then they are in for a treat. She was doing some musical in the states fairly recently - did anyone see it? Would love to hear her singing "Sex Kills". Let me know...................... Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:11:51 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Alison Moyet - Hometime - BUY IT!!! NJC --- robin mortlock wrote: > Has anyone heard/bought the latestish Alison Moyet > album "Hometime"? > > I recommend it to old fans and new. Haven't heard it, but I do enjoy Alison Moyet's voice and wonder why there isn't more *stuff* out there by her. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:21:03 -0600 From: Subject: Re: Re: Alliterative Joni, Also , Tax Free (WARNING: Political Content!!! NJC) 11% of all those who voted Republican in that particular election is actually a significant portion, especially if that segment is well-organized and has a sophisticated lobby. Furthermore, its influence on Republican party politics in the past 25 years can't be measured in numbers alone. I would NOT guess that 11% of those who voted Democratic are religious fundamentalists. What do I base this on? What I have heard, seen and read on talk radio, including Christian radio stations, and in conservative press. More to the point, for those who believe that the Bible is the inspired, literal word of God, I would imagine that there is simply too much in the Democratic party platform that contravenes that word, and that worldview. (Actually, I view much of what's taken to be "literal" to be quite interpretive, but that's a whole 'nother discussion). There *are* evangelical Protestant groups like Sojourners in Washington, DC who tend toward the left, not the right. That's why I took care to include the caveat in my initial post: that, and contact with various individuals. However, in my experience, they are the exception, rather than being anywhere close to the rule. Should I move the thread, anyone?? Really, I will!! ;-) Take care, Mary P. > > From: "kakki" > Date: 2003/03/11 Tue AM 11:12:24 CST > To: "Gerald Notaro" , > "Mary E. Pitassi" > CC: > Subject: Re: Alliterative Joni, Also , Tax Free (WARNING: Political Content!!! NJC) > > Jerry wrote: > > > You are quite correct, Mary. > > 14% of those who voted in the year 2000 identified themselves as members > > of the Religious Right. And 79% of them voted Republican. > > So 79% of 14% equals 11% who voted Republican. That's a small portion to > me, unless one thinks 0% is the acceptable portion! I wonder what the % of > religious fundamentalists vote Democrat. I'd guess it would be about the > same. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:35:55 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: covers #38 revelations euro grass kicks ass!!!!!!! this is THE most amazing rendition of woodstock Ive ever heard!!! wooohooo it'll get you out of your seat and dancing around the kitchen in your jahmies while you make lunch... omg!!!!!!! This song makes it to my top ten list of covers...no contest, no question ya gotsta dig blue grass baby ;-)))))))) zen moogs ;-) You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:42:02 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Alison Moyet - Hometime - BUY IT!!! NJC Her work with Yaz is spectacular. Jerry Catherine McKay wrote: > --- robin mortlock > wrote: > Has anyone heard/bought the latestish Alison > Moyet > >>album "Hometime"? >> >>I recommend it to old fans and new. > > > Haven't heard it, but I do enjoy Alison Moyet's voice > and wonder why there isn't more *stuff* out there by > her. > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:45:21 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Busking njc/now songwriting good call paz...ahhh, therein lies the beauty of songwriting paz >Yea but you got a song out of that trip did you not???< victor >I played in Paris and made nothing. Made about 10-15 dollars in Cambridge Square once. Didn't do so well in New Orleans.< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:45:28 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: njc The Good Girl we rented that & liked it a lot too...i did not expect jennifer to be a very good actress but she played a very different character from her tv role & quite well (haven't seen her in any movies), tho as frumpy as her character was she is still very beautiful... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:45:29 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: CBC Part 2 spoiler i love that it will include her daughter & grandchildren, but why oh why did they edit out a discussion of cohen's influence? what do i really know but i have the impression that cohen was so formative to her artistic development...hopefully someone can get their hands on the original film... >>According to the Ottawa Citizen, part 2 of the documentary tomorrow will air home video footage of Joni and her daughter, playing with her grandchildren. There will also be an extensive section on the Mingus controversy. Cut from the original film, thanks to Joni's interference, were interviews with her parents, discussion of Leonard Cohen's influence on her work<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:24:20 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: covers #38 revelations In a message dated 3/11/2003 12:37:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > euro grass kicks ass!!!!!!! > > this is THE most amazing rendition of woodstock Ive ever heard!!! wooohooo > it'll get you out of your seat and dancing around the kitchen in your > jahmies while you make lunch... > I agree Mags !!! It's such a totally different, but wonderful rendition of "Woodstock". I happen to like Bluegrass music, and I'd love to hear an entire CD of Joni covers done a la bluegrass. This song certainly makes up for the "River" cover done by The Girls Next Door, doesn't it Mags? ;~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:30:32 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Jonifest 2003 (NJC) Smurf asked: > Is the name of this year's fest also "Jonifest -- Back to the > Garden," or will there be a naming contest, too? If there is a contest, my suggestion is: "Get Your Ass to the Garden!" ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:55:02 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: al gore njc hi >>>>>>patrick wrote >>>>>AL GORE I invented the chicken. I invented the road. Therefore, the chicken crossing the road represented the application of these two different functions of government in a new, reinvented way designed to bring greater services to the American people. so if big al really invented the internet why does he keep ignoring my requests for a refund of my subscription to www.bigbeavers.com ???? ron np - roger lucey - storms & fires ps - hope the site i linked doesnt really exist :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:04:03 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: euro grass does woodstock okay now that ive been peeled off the ceiling. ahem. seriously folks, euro grass version of woodstock is amazing, high energy. kickin' i love how it starts out sounding like something from the theme from shaft and then kicks into this high energy musically ON version filled with great harmonies.. banjo/mando/guitar picking. I imagine Les et al up there doing this at Fest...so how about it? Mags np: euro grass.......gonna join in a blue grass band :-) You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:13:43 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: i'm in the paper -- NJC -- pot laws Lori wrote: (but he also self-medicated with "the real thing," too). I don't know if it's > any good for pain management. This I do know! YES I have managed to forget all about pain .... when I have been forced to take it for medicinal purposes. ;-P > > Lori, > who totally and completely supports the legalization of marijuana I'll second that! Peace, Susan Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:30:25 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: euro grass does woodstock In a message dated 3/11/2003 1:04:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > np: euro grass.......gonna join in a blue grass band :-) I LOVE the way they alter that lyric too! A good bluegrass band is hard to resist, no doubt about it. We've had a couple other bluegrass Joni covers so far, of course like Kate says the best ones are where the vocalist or group takes the song and really interprets it on their own terms, and this is a GOOD example! Of course, always happy to get a copy to whoever wants one, whether it's #38 or #1 or all points in between! :~) Bob NP: Ani, "serpentine" from her latest 'Evolve' out today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:47:13 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Alliterative Joni, Also , Tax Free (WARNING: Political Content!!! NJC) >>So 79% of 14% equals 11% who voted Republican. That's a small portion to >>me, unless one thinks 0% is the acceptable portion! I wonder what the % of >>religious fundamentalists vote Democrat. I'd guess it would be about the >>same. >> >>Kakki Far from it. 79% voted Republican, 19% for the Democrats. And 11% of the total Republican vote is no small matter, considering most margins of victory are between 3-5% of the vote. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:42:57 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Haight Ashbury music help (with joni content now) i just took a look at the link paul provided (below)...& find it interesting how the author/reviewer (Richard von Busack) of this film dismisses both the people & the art of the 'hippie' era as short lived... i would conclude the just the opposite... like paul's friend louise (who, contrary to how the author portrays her is as paul wrote 'saving lives and stamping out disease as a hospital administrator') i know many who who grew up through the 'hippie era' who remained true to their ideals & have devoted their lives to making the world a better place... as to the author's claim that the era produced little art that endured (i assume music is included here), i imagine many jmdlers would vehemently disagree with that statement! off the top of my head a short list of enduring infludences: joni mitchell, grateful dead (my friend just saw the reincarnated 'dead'- the official name they now use- at winterland in san francisco), neil young, csn&y, bob dylan, santana & countless others who never really stopped & have influenced several generations of musicians...i'm sure others here can list many others who would fall under the enduring category... http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/07.18.96/hippie-9629.html (an excerpt): 'As a musician worries, "Are we going to turn them on, or are they going to turn us off?" It was the latter, of course. The hippies' efforts may not have been lasting; they were fuzzy thinkers who produced little art that endured. Today, "Today" is a nice single mom with two kids, a house and a swimming pool in New Mexico.' Paul >>In the sixties Louise was known as 'Today Malone' in Haight Ashbury and had starred in the original 1967 'Revolution' film...Today Louise < ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: euro grass does woodstock earlier today, in a rather exuberant mood , magsie wrote in reference to euro grass' woodstock: > np: euro grass.......gonna join in a blue grass band :-) and then southern bro Bob wrote: <> and speaking of altering lyrics in a performance...I love how Joni does that for example: when she was at Day in the Garden in 98 she sang.... listen....strains of Mark Isham... (or whoever happens to be on trumpet at the time).... such a clever gurll she is ;-) giving hejira a lot of air time these days and enjoying it even more. especially hejira, amelia and song for sharon. i love the story telling aspect of these songs. gorgeous. lots to think about and learn. mags npimh: one of my favourite lines from song for sharon...shine your light on me Miss Liberty ;-) You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:22:38 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: euro grass does woodstock In a message dated 3/11/2003 3:04:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > <> Which is not to say that I love every lyric alteration in the annals of Joni covers...far from it, actually. Euro Grass' alteration is appropriate; Billy Squier's "River" is *not* as he takes off into left field and almost improvises a whole new set. And then there's Tony Spinelli's "Carey"! I haven't released that one yet but it's coming up...he basically starts off with "the wind is in from Africa" and then blabs on about whatever! Wassup with that? Like who has the nerve to think they can IMPROVE on Joni's lyric???? Although I have to admit it's so bad I can't help but laugh my *ss off! And don't even get me started on all the permutations of BSN's "angel hair" beginning...goes & floes, bows & rows, swirls and curls, and Kathryn Grayson's unintelligible "oers & ploors"!?! Bob NP: Edwin McCain, "anything good about me" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:27:26 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: About "Woman of Heart and Mind" Here's the story by Tony Atherton. It ran in the Vancouver Sun, the National Post and the Ottawa Citizen. Not sure if this was posted yet... - Andrew in Ottawa - ---- The two-part biography that airs tonight and next Tuesday at 7 p.m. on CBC's Life and Times is called Joni Mitchell: A Woman of Heart and Mind. It should not be confused with another two-part biography from the same production company which CBC almost aired last year at this time. The earlier film was titled Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now and Then, but it might also be called The Documentary Joni Mitchell Didn't Want You to See. The history behind the two films reveals almost as much about the Canadian musical icon as what you'll see on screen tonight. Joni Mitchell: A Woman of Heart and Mind is a handsome, lyrical piece of film-making which focuses largely on Mitchell's music, partly on her painting, and almost incidentally on her life. We see how her life is reflected in her music, and how her music affects her life, sometimes with penetrating clarity. But we skip over a lot of personal detail. This is an art film, not a celebrity biopic. Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now and Then, on the other hand, was more personal, chattier, and a lot more Canadian. Mitchell hated it. And since she had demanded editorial control up front, she vetoed it days before it was to broadcast in Canada, and well after review copies had been sent out to critics. At the time, nothing was said of Mitchell's dismay. CBC played the cancellation as a simple schedule change; the film was being held for the following season. But when it reappeared this spring, the film had a new name, a new director and a new co-producer, PBS's Emmy-winning arts-biography series, American Masters. Joni Mitchell: A Woman of Heart and Mind will air later as a 90-minute special on the U.S. public broadcaster. The film began as the second half of a two-part deal between Mitchell and Eagle Vision Entertainment, a U.S.-based, British owned production company, says Life and Times senior producer Michael Claydon. In 1998, Mitchell and Eagle Vision collaborated on an intimate concert video called Joni Mitchell: Painting with Words and Music, which the CBC aired. The biography was a follow-up, and CBC came on board as a minor player. Eagle Vision approached Susan Lacy, the Peabody-award-winning film-maker and founder of American Masters, about co-producing the film. She was very interested, she said in an interview from New York, and even accompanied the film's crew to Canada to interview Mitchell's parents. "But that was before I had seen the contract," says Lacy. American Masters, which has profiled Bruce Springsteen, F. Scott Fitzgerald, and Richard Avedon, among others, doesn't make "official" biographies, and never lets its subjects have control over the finished product. Lacy backed away from the film. "I remember telling [Eagle Vision], 'You're going to regret this,' " she says. Lacy doesn't know specifically why Mitchell balked at the film, but she has her suspicions. "I thought it was a gossipy show, but I didn't think it had anything to do with her art or her music. It wasn't lyrical, it wasn't poetic, it wasn't all the things that I would have wanted it to be if I were making the film." And it spent a great deal of time detailing the singer's early life at the expense of her later musical career, when Mitchell's constant musical experiments often took her out of the spotlight. When Eagle approached her with its dilemma, Lacy agreed to take over as director and make a new film -- if Mitchell agreed to give up editorial control. The singer/songwriter acquiesced. "I think she sensed that our interests in what we wanted to do with the film were more compatible with her interests," says Lacy. By the time Lacy was finished with her reworking, Mitchell's Canadian childhood was reduced to the barest essentials; it is portrayed in the film as little more than a time when the fledgling artist was more interested in painting than music. The original film featured reminiscences with Mitchell's parents, anecdotes about a favourite teacher, Mitchell's own memories of her bout with polio and her keen sense of alienation from her classmates. All of this, along with the yearbook photos and family snaps, are missing from the new film. Gone as well is much of her time on the Canadian folk scene, and the way in which singers like Leonard Cohen influenced her. Lacy says she was "eliminating things I didn't thing were germane if you have only 90 minutes as opposed to a book [to fill]." Not all the cuts pleased Mitchell, Lacy admits. "She has a perspective on her own history that not necessarily always can be borne out." In the original film, for instance, there is an extensive section dealing with Mitchell's relationship with her first husband, singer Chuck Mitchell. They had met at a Toronto club shortly after the teenage singer had quietly given birth to her daughter, the product of a brief relationship in art college. With her child in foster care, Mitchell went on the road with her future husband and, she says in the film, agreed to marry him as a way of providing for her daughter, though he subsequently refused to raise her. She paints Mitchell, and his role in her life, in far darker shades than Lacy lets her get away with in tonight's film. Joni Mitchell: A Woman of Heart and Mind is ultimately a more polished and thoughtful treatment than the earlier work. It includes an enlightening segment on her relationship with Graham Nash and how her decision to leave him preceded a new era of soul-searing self-reflection in her work. There is also a detailed look at her collaboration with Charlie Mingus on his swan song album, and unprecedented footage of Mitchell with her daughter, with whom she was reunited in recent years, and her grandchildren. Over all, the film makes clear Mitchell's frustration with the general lack of recognition for her later career. "We're all human; we like people to like what we do," says Lacy. "I think she's had her ups and downs and disappointments, but I think she's in a very clear and strong place today." The Ottawa Citizen ) Copyright 2003 Vancouver Sun Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:16:57 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Blue Tapestry A friend of mine just gave me the Blue Tapestry album! Blue Tapestry is a tribute to Joni Mitchell and Carole King. I'm sure Bob has them down! I went to see them live in Hastings where I live about a year ago. Wow what a performance! I was really blown away. They really caught me by surprise because the words "tribute" and "band" always conjured up really naff feelings for me, but these guys really rocked! They used all their own instruments and even played in altered tunings! Chris While singing 'Amelia' with guitar and Pete Zorn (who I believe was in Fairport Convention) doing vibes was breathtaking. They stay pretty close to most of the songs original form but there a lot of nice touches. It was great because I of course love Joni's music and Carole King is one of my favourites too. Anyway I'm not sure if any of the songs they did at Hastings (the CD is live) is on it but their version of 'Raised On Robbery' is spectacular. I will definitely see them again! The CD is well worth a listen a listen and you can check them out: www.bluetapestry.co.uk Peace STEVE T NP: 'Free Man In Paris' ~ Blue Tapestry ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #171 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)