From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #166 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, March 8 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 166 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Looks like Mackie's back in town (NJC) ["mack watson-bush" ] Haight Ashbury music help (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] DED ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Covers #38 - LET'S WING SOME FRISBEES/FREEBIES! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re: DED fan club [anne@sandstrom.com] wanting to be Joni [anne@sandstrom.com] The Tahoe Report (nJc) [Michaelpaz@aol.com] Re: The Tahoe Report (nJc) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Joni's spritual lines ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Joni's spiritual lines [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni's spiritual lines [Deb Messling ] Re: Joni's spiritual lines [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Joni's spiritual lines ["Lori Fye" ] More video clips [Doug ] Re: Joni's spiritual lines - mother earth ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni's spiritual lines [Mags N Brei ] Happy Birthday Chuckeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! (NJC) [AsharaProducLLC@aol.c] the old grey whistle test 1974 [Mags N Brei ] Old Joni revisted [Little Bird ] Townes Van Zandt Birthday Bash at the Cactus Cafe in Austin Tx (NJC) ["Ha] Today's Library Links: March 8 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 02:24:16 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Looks like Mackie's back in town (NJC) For love Lori, why else. lol. That, along with my version of a mid life crisis. Figured I wasn't getting any younger and had things to do. When summer comes, I will do them. As for Carole, Fantasy is as wonderful as it was back then and I thank my lucky stars that someone here didn't think so and left it in that used bin. p.s. as for the love, it hasn't been perfect but wouldn't change a thing. mack . > > Interesting that you brought that up, Mack! I LOVE that album, > although I haven't heard it in probably 30 years. I'd like to get my > hands on a copy, too. > > Lori, > wondering why in the world you moved to Cheeseland in the dead of > WINTER??? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 03:18:29 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: w-word/Fiddle and Drum Dflahm@aol.com wrote: >Respectfully, I don't know for sure that there ARE chords. Something akin to >a drone (we used to hear about that re "Indian music" or ragas, remember) >might work better. A drone would work, but I've been working on a harmonization of my own using Joni's actual track as the foundation. I do hear implied harmonies in there. It's not finished yet, but I think it will be very cool when it is. And it's interesting that you mention raga, because my inspiration for this idea came from a track on Indian musician Trilok Gurtu's album "Usfret," on which his mother sings a wonderful solo line which he harmonizes with synths, in a manner kind of reminiscent of Joe Zawinul or Lyle Mays. It's beautiful. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 04:06:48 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 7 1983: Joni performed at Budokan in Tokyo. This show was recorded for FM broadcast in Japan. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 04:09:33 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Bookcrossing njc >>From: AzeemAK@aol.com >>Subject: Bookcrossing njc >No, this isn't some fiendish genetic experiment, but a wonderful new way of sharing books with other people. I read about it today in The Big Issue (London's homeless magazine), and I immediately thought what a great idea; an extension of leaving newspapers on the bus or train for other people to read. The URL for the site is www.bookcrossing.com, and below is a very short extract from the site explaining how it works. I'm definitely going to sign up for it - has anyone already done so?? Hi Azeem, I haven't signed up myself, but a friend has. She says it's often quite hard to part with a book you've enjoyed so lots of people buy another copy to leave on the train or whatever! Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 06:19:16 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Bookcrossing njc In a message dated 07/03/2003 09:10:18 GMT Standard Time, Gertus@aol.com writes: << I haven't signed up myself, but a friend has. She says it's often quite hard to part with a book you've enjoyed so lots of people buy another copy to leave on the train or whatever! >> Call me a purist, but I think that's cheating, Jacky! The spirit of this project seems to me to best exemplified by being able to *let go* of something that has given the reader pleasure. Still, they do mention that double-purchase tactic on the website, although I couldn't help wondering if that was a sop to anxious publishers and retailers! Azeem in London NP: Shakespears Sister - Hormonally Yours ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 06:47:43 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Bookcrossing njc --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > No, this isn't some fiendish genetic experiment, but > a wonderful new way of > sharing books with other people. I read about it > today in The Big Issue > (London's homeless magazine), and I immediately > thought what a great idea; an > extension of leaving newspapers on the bus or train > for other people to read. > The URL for the site is www.bookcrossing.com, and > below is a very short > extract from the site explaining how it works. I'm > definitely going to sign > up for it - has anyone already done so?? What a great idea! I'm going to do it & pass the word on to friends (and foe too.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:48:36 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Haight Ashbury music help (NJC) Darice darice@mindspring.com wrote: > I'm planning a program at the San Francisco Public > Library in the Haight, on the music of the Haight, > in June 2003. Sounds like a great project to be involved with, Darice. You may have this covered already, but do you know about the 1967 documentary film "Revolution" - and the follow-up 20 years later called "Hippie Revolution"? A while back (July 2000) I spent some time driving around Northern California with two women I had befriended on the Internet - singer Kathleen Tarp, who had been a member of the Serendipity Singers, and her friend, Louise - (along the way we visited the Monterey Blues Festival and the Kate Wolf Festival in Sebastopol). In the sixties Louise was known as 'Today Malone' in Haight Ashbury and had starred in the original 1967 'Revolution' film - touring Europe in 1968 promoting it at 3 European film festivals. Today Louise is saving lives and stamping out disease as a hospital administrator. Kathleen and Louise remain two of my best-loved people on the planet, so I'll write to them and see if they can help at all with your program. In the meantime, I love this picture of 'Today' (on Haight Street, I imagine) hawking the alternative newspaper 'Berkeley Barb Wire' back then - see http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/07.18.96/hippie-9629.html and also found this doing a web search: >"The original 1967 documentary 'Revolution' starred > Today Malone, Herb Caen, Ronnie Davis, Louis Gottlieb, > Jurt Hirschhorn.... Features performances by Mother Earth, > Quicksilver Messenger Service, the Steve Miller Band and > Country Joe and the Fish. and these links for Tracy Nelson of 'Mother Earth' http://members.tripod.com/~DBFox/tracynelson2 >"Take the theme song from the film "Revolution" (where, >by the way, is the film's star, Today Malone, today?). It's >Brubeck-like rhythms are wholly out-of-sync with the >"garage band" psychedelia of the day and more in-tune >with the sophisticated approach of a Henry Mancini. While >the Steve Miller band is singing "doo-doo doo-doo-doo" >on "Your Old Lady," certainly a hippie novelty song of the >first degree You should be able to contact Tracy Nelson via her website http://www.tracynelson.com . She has an interesting bio @ http://www.tracynelson.com/TracyNelson/bio/index.htm - - Etta James/Linda Ronstadt/Maria Muldaur/Bonnie Raitt/ Scotty Moore/Willie Nelson/Neil Young content - great video of Tracy singing "That's Alright Mama" with Scotty Moore, DJ Fontana and the Jordanaires in her website gallery, too) Hope these links help, Darice. I'm hoping you'll share your 'program' research with the jmdl as it develops. Very best to you PaulC (who played several gigs - and worked the door! - at the US Cafe - on Haight, just up from Ashbury - back in 1975 - my English accent saved my life (literally!!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 13:55:07 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: DED Ron wrote about DED: > > joni getting ripped at by those dogs larry klein & all them other guest > artists. > > i just get this overwhelming impression of schizophrenia from the album. listen to the music on some tracks and > theres this cheezy pop sound Hi Ron, My interpretation of DED is different from yours. Yes it would appear at first sight that it's a cheesy pop rock thing. However I always felt that the lyrics were so intense that the music's main purpose was to make it easy to swallow the pill. As far as the themes Joni sings about, I wouldn't go as far as calling it schizophrenia. Just a glimpse of the real world IMO. Hence the "dogs" she refers to aren't her music mates but the business and the world in general. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:02:30 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers #38 - LET'S WING SOME FRISBEES/FREEBIES! OK, stick a fork in my Covers #38 contest...it's done. Congrats once again to Russ who remembered that there was a "B" in his last name. No one from VA stepped up to claim a freebie. And Jack Merkel & Mags won the "guess" freebies - so yip-yip-yahooty for them! My pick this time around for all of you scoring at home was "Woodstock" from LOTC. (Jack, when you get a moment pass along your address & I'll get your frisbee in the mail...Mags, I know yours already.) Thanks to all who gave it a shot, and we'll see you next month! More covers are only 39 steps away! Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Heigh Ho (The Dwarfs Marching Song)" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 08:07:52 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: re: DED fan club I know we have this debate every so often. And, as always, count me in as a HUGE fan of DED. I can still listen to the album (CD) and enjoy it thoroughly. The music still sounds modern to me. (I know many don't like the arrangements.) The weakest song for me is Lucky Girl. I'm not overly fond of Impossible Dreamer, either. And I don't consider Smokin' Try Another to be a song. Still, I love the way the first four songs flow from one to the next. And I like DED a lot. It's become a favorite to sing lately. I think the juxtaposition and starkly different arrangements of Shiny Toys and Ethiopia is brilliant. We go from the hyped up world of California to the stark sands of Africa. And, I'm planning to do acoustic versions of Dog Eat Dog and Fiction at JoniFest. (Or maybe I shouldn't say so. It might drive some folks away LOL!) BUT, here's a different take on DED. Or the song lineup I would like to hear. I guess this would be Joni's political album 1. Slouching Towards Bethlehem (the NRH version would do) 2. Fiction (an acoustic version in the vein of NRH) 3. The Three Great Stimulants (the acoustic version) 4. Tax Free (an acoustic version in the vein of NRH) 5. The Windfall (NRH version) 6. Dog Eat Dog 7. Shiny Toys 8. Ethiopia 9. Borderline 10. The Fiddle and the Drum (Clouds version) All songs seem appropriate these days. But maybe that's always true. Ah for the summer of 2001 when we were preoccupied with stories about shark attacks because it seemed like there was no 'real' news... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 08:15:34 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: wanting to be Joni Lucy, thanks for your post about your efforts to 'be' Joni. I too tried, but, of course, failed. I did have cheekbones (my only good feature!) and waist long blonde hair courtesy of Miss Clairol :-) . In my teens and early 20s people said I sounded like her, which was the ultimate compliment to me. But alas, all that changed... I'm happy to be me, but I have to admit that seeing even the video clips from the CHC/PBS special have me "looking in longing on the sly" at the good old days. OK, so 'fess up. Who else is/was a Joni wannabe? (Did I mention the turquoise and silver jewelry I wore?) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:24:21 EST From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: The Tahoe Report (nJc) Hello Gang- We are in beautiful Lake Tahoe with the whole family and a few friends from home. We are staying at Chez Julius who has been a wondeful host. We have had a great time sking and snowboarding (which I even tried too). I am way behind on the list topics but pray everyone is well and happy birthday to every one I have missed since Mardi Gras started. We are headed to Reno tonight and then back home on sunday. I don't know if Jack has told everyone yet, but I don't want you to miss this. He received a personal letter from the owner of CD Baby and he loves his album so much that he is going to feature it on the front page from March 12 for about a week. Please stop by and show your support and pick up a copy if you haven't already. Alison has been playing the stuff on her show as well as some other jocks at her station in Utah. I am going to try and get Jack to post the letter this guy sent to him cause it was so amazing. Has anyone else (who is on CD Baby) ever got a letter like this?? Talk to you guys soon. Love Paz NP-Rugrats on TV ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:31:24 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tahoe Report (nJc) wait....I think I hear the sound check.......could it be he'll open with this one?!? ~rosie soon to be in AC, NJ will report on the show tomorrow when I get back ATLANTIC CITY Well they blew up the chicken man in Philly last night now they blew up his house too Down on the boardwalk they're gettin' ready for a fight gonna see what them racket boys can do Now there's trouble busin' in from outta state and the D.A. can't get no relief Gonna be a rumble out on the promenade and the gamblin' commission's hangin' on by the skin of its teeth (Chorus) Well now everything dies baby that's a fact But maybe everything that dies someday comes back Put your makeup on fix your hair up pretty And meet me tonight in Atlantic City Well I got a job and tried to put my money away But I got debts that no honest man can pay So I drew what I had from the Central Trust And I bought us two tickets on that Coast City bus (Chorus) Now our luck may have died and our love may be cold but with you forever I'll stay We're goin' out where the sand's turnin' to gold so put on your stockin's baby `cause the night's getting cold And everything dies baby that's a fact But maybe everything that dies someday comes back Now I been lookin' for a job but it's hard to find Down here it's just winners and losers and don't get caught on the wrong side of that line Well I'm tired of comin' out on the losin' end So honey last night I met this guy and I'm gonna do a little favor for him Well I guess everything dies baby that's a fact But maybe everything that dies someday comes back Put your hair up nice and set up pretty and meet me tonight in Atlantic City Meet me tonight in Atlantic City Meet me tonight in Atlantic City ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 12:32:12 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Joni's spritual lines I enjoyed the list that was generated (originally asked for by Anne) regarding Joni references to cars/vehicles. . Anne (or anyone) did you save a complete list of these? I'd like to have this. . . And this got me to thinking about collecting some more. . . I'd like to have a list of Joni references (lines) that have anything to do with sprituality/goddess/god /Jesus/religion . . even if they are remote. . . anyone care to mention them? "god of cruelty drawn to all things god of delight." I would like to have these too. . Okay, there are two more categories that I want also. . should I ask for them now. . or maybe we should wait and do this one at a time. . (??) (okay, sneak preview,. . I'd like to see all references to peace and justice/earth issues and also all color references). Oh, I guess I just want it all. . and I want to collect them. . like. . . like oh, I don't know. .gems, pez dispensers, coins . . .etc. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 13:24:19 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's spiritual lines In a message dated 3/7/2003 12:32:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, treegreen1@hotmail.com writes: > and I want to collect them. . like. . . like oh, I don't know. .gems, pez > dispensers, coins . . .etc. > Don't forget to add Joni covers to that list! :o) As for your thread, I'll add: From Don't Interrupt The Sorrow" "God goes up the chimney, like childhood Santa Claus" Bob NP: East of Eden, "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 17:26:53 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Joni's spiritual lines >God must be a boogie man! I found myself singing that line to myself at work today, and a colleague walking by said, "Deb, you're so irreverent!" I can't win for losing at this job... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/03 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:34:27 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's spiritual lines There ar many referances in Joni's lyrics to god,the lord,churches,steeples,the devil,guru books,the bible ect...Joni has said that "Shadows and light" was divinly inspired,which I don't find hard to believe.It's just a deep,profound song. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 15:07:00 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's spiritual lines Marianne would ... > like to have a list of Joni references (lines) that have anything to > do with sprituality/goddess/god /Jesus/religion . . even if they are > remote. . Just like Jericho Let these walls come tumbling down now The priest sat in the airport bar He was wearing his father's tie Surely some revelation is at hand Surely it's the second coming Although I speak in tongues Of men and angels I'm just sounding brass And tinkling cymbals without love (et cetera, the entire song) And you know there may be more, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 18:12:26 -0500 From: Doug Subject: More video clips http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/mitchell.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 15:42:36 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's spiritual lines - mother earth > I'd like to see all references to peace and justice/earth issues Your top soil flies away Ethiopia We pump ours full of poison spray Ethiopia Between the brown skies and sprinkling lawns I hear the whine of chain saws hacking rain forests down Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 19:36:08 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Joni's spritual lines I'd like to have a list of Joni references (lines) that have anything to do with sprituality/goddess/god /Jesus/religion . . even if they are remote. . Well some say it's in service They say "Humble Makes Pure" Doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:49:56 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Joni's spiritual lines Relayer211@aol.com wrote: <<>> I agree with you..the song shadows and light is incredible and moving. I watched the entire Shadows and Light DVD today . Loved it even more. Wonderful to watch the play between Joni and the other musicians. Her rendition of Amelia is especially soulful imho on this. As always, the big treat for me... to watch Toller Cranston and Joni skating to Hejira...now that's a spiritual experience if I ever saw one. He truly dances on the ice, above and beyond the surface. They are so alike , I was struck by that today. Daring to be different , daring to push that creativity a little higher each time. And the sheer joy in their faces throughout . I think it was Heather who asked a few weeks ago about Joni music to cook by and this one was perfect! I love the thread of Hell's about the covers and such. Im not sure how to make up my mind. when I do.. I shall let you know. Mags np: Cactus Tree from Live at the BBC In Concert 1970 You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 21:06:47 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Happy Birthday Chuckeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! (NJC) Hey Chuckster, The very happiest of birthdays from your fellow Massachusettian. (At least for the moment) Happy Birthdaaaaaaaaaaaay to yooooooooooooooooou!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:12:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: the old grey whistle test 1974 we just finished watching the old grey whistle test 1974, which is on the pink dress concert video tape. my question is this: what kind of saxophone was Tom Scott playing on the song Trouble Child? It looks like a soprano sax, however, this horn is usually straight. Yes, I know that there exists a curved soprano sax, (as in the alto and tenor, baritone and bass) however, this one almost looks like a combination of the two...straight with a slight curve at the very end. Does anyone know ? is there a pink dress concert on tape without the numbers rolling ...rolling rock and rolling??? Mags nw: Joni talking :-)) You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:21:06 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Old Joni revisted Thought of one today: "There's a thin man smokin' a fat cigar..." Smoking in most public waiting rooms is now illegal. As for that alliteration... Boticelli black boy Broadway Bridge Spanish stairs Terra-cotta town Big blue pool that you sun by Big blue moon crude crows in a scary sky tourists talking... Lawyers and loansharks are layin'... Long and leggy crazy cries of love (technically not Joni, but...) in the back booth...piece of pie and on and on and on Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 00:22:26 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Townes Van Zandt Birthday Bash at the Cactus Cafe in Austin Tx (NJC) I always look forward to this night. the crowd was unusually thick, might be because all the airplay on KGSR or the fact they had the show on Austin City Limits a few weeks ago. Needless to say it was very good. The emcee was Butch Hancock (Flatlanders). He did about six songs then a couple for Townes son JT. He was followed by a couple of musicians then a fellow by the name of Derral Gleason took to the state for "The Hole". He did a great job and was given quite the applause for the evening. Joe Ely and Jimmy La Fave came on during the second set. The night was awesome. NP Bonnie Raitt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 02:23:54 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 8 On March 8 the following items were published: 1987: "A Song For This Decade? Folksinging Punk Rock" - Detroit Free Press (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=918 2002: "'Blue' Movie" - Entertainment Weekly (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=756 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #166 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)