From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #164 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 6 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 164 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: female god? njc ["Heather" ] RE: Joni looks ["Heather" ] Looks like Mackie's back in town [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Joni Mitchell - Memoir [] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #162 [Freddyb4@aol.com] NJC another Dan update [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC another Dan update [KJHSF@aol.com] Haight Ashbury music help (NJC) [Darice ] Re: Cactus Tree [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project ["kakki" ] CBC Life and Times [frasere@intergate.ca] Today in History: March 6 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: March 6 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:19:53 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: female god? njc And from Laura Nyro's "Beads of Sweat" : "And we all looked out to God although he is the color of the wind" To me, it didn't matter if she used "he" because she counter balances it with God cannot be described ... i.e. the wind. Best- Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Lori Fye Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:16 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: female god? njc During a "vitamin A"-inspired moment in the mid-1980s, I was enlightened by the concept that god is a HUGE EYE consisting of all colors ... no gender involved. That's still my idea of god. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:22:50 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Joni looks That's very refreshing Dave! Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cuneo Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:19 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni looks Ciao joniphiles, I think Joni is quite attractive, but in a cold, Nordic way. An old girlfriend once angrily asked me if I "wanted to $%*? Joni" because she was a little jealous of my playing her stuff so much. Actually, I always thought I would like to have Joni as an older sister :~) The attraction for me, anyway, has always been more intellectual than physical. Ciao, Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:24:58 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Looks like Mackie's back in town Thanks for the comeback, Mack, I tried my best to write that in a way that would coax you out of lurkdom...glad I was successful, and of course I respect your opinion and rejoice in your total love & devotion to DED. The differences are what makes the journey interesting. Bob NP: Alana Davis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:28:00 -0500 From: Subject: Re: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Joni Mitchell - Memoir Yeah. About the time of the "Both Sides Now" tour, we heard about a multiple-book contract. I'm thinking it was rumored to be 3 books, including a book of visual art, an autobiography, and a book of poetry. The last one showed up as a collection of only the officially-released song lyrics (albeit claiming to be the "complete" book of lyrics "and Poetry" if I recall correctly which can NEVER be assumed.) The "voices" book was absolutely worth the modest price for the detail of some of the canvases alone. As I've said before, I don't *want* Roberta Joan / Joan / Joni / Norma to write an autobiography. How awful would it be to finish your autobiography and turn it in? How awful would it be to have Norma giving interviews about her creative years, putting a capstone on it all? All I really want our list...... to....... do...... is to goad her into writing. I loved the comment that Robin Williams made when he accepted a Grammy for a recording of a tour of stand-up comedy dates. Robin said, >>>>>> I want to thank Chris Rock for telling me, "Get your old-ass out there and *TOUR*." >>>>>> Joni, get this: Collect your old-ass bifocals, your old-ass notepad, your old-ass felt-tip pens; sit your old-ass out on the metaphorical rock and WRITE!! Lama, PS, I'm thinking that Bobby survived being type-cast as "the next Woody Guthrie". I mean, for a copy-cat, he did okay. The sneering Donald Fagen survived being compared to the sarcastic Dylan. (Sample lyric from "Can't Buy A Thrill": "a world become one/of salads and sun/only a fool would say that.") It seems like maybe that guy from Asbury Park survived growing up in death-trap, a suicide rap. I guess Joni distinguished herself as something other than Judy Collins' shadow. It's become obvious with "ones and zeroes" that Bryan isn't a Prince clone. Maybe it's just cause spring is almost here- I'm kinda... what's the word I'm looking for..... uh.... positive? No, *optomistic*. How weird. NP: "Pretty Ballarina" by the left banke (Thanks, Kakki!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:35:53 EST From: Freddyb4@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #162 In a message dated 05/03/2003 18:19:37 GMT Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Inflexibility? Intolerance? Gosh, Freddy, sounds like you could > teach religion a few things. Such a blanket condemnation puts > you in the same class of people who say "ALL gays are...", "ALL > blacks are...", "ALL Asians are...", etc., etc. > > Disgustedly, > - -- > Yeah I wrote that, no use denying it, but I see religion as just a form of politics, my criticism is aimed at the hierarchy rather than the people who chose to believe in a God, just as I may be critical of a government, and not the people who voted for them, or the people they rule. "Blanket comdemnation" Yes, but one could argue that religion brought that on its self, something that has been discussed here over recent months, we are on this list because we like Joni Mitchell, we have something in common, but I would never expect everyone to share my every point of view. In the same list as my comment Vince posted a reply that in many ways countered what I had written. I was critical of all religion, and because of that it would seem you all must assume I am as critical about Gays, Blacks and Asians etc, etc. I Have no problem with any of them, do you ? I am sorry but in 52 years I have found nothing to make me want to believe in God, in fact the opposite is true, and if the number of church goers is anything to go buy, I am not alone. Before anyone says, yes I had a go at illegal immigrants a while ago, the known figure for last year topped 110,000, there are 10s of thousands more. If you think this is not a problem, then that is something else we will have to differ on freddyb "Right said Fred, have to take the door off, that there door is gonna hav ta go" Bernard Cribbins Classic ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:36:43 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC another Dan update In a message dated 3/5/2003 9:28:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > The sneering Donald Fagen survived being compared to the sarcastic Dylan. And on the new one "Everything Must Go", due out in June, WALTER takes a lead vocal (for the first time in SD history) on the track "Slang Of Ages". And new Ani in less than a week, and new (and supposedly unbelievably killer) Lucinda in April. Life remains quite good. Bob NP: Alana Davis, also very killer - big ups to Monafitz! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:17:28 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC another Dan update In a message dated 3/5/2003 9:37:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > And on the new one "Everything Must Go", due out in June, WALTER takes a > lead > vocal (for the first time in SD history) on the track "Slang Of Ages". > > Walter is a pretty good singer. His CD 11 Tracks of Whack from around 1994 is very listenable. This is the first I've heard of an upcoming Steely Dan release! Thanks for the heads up. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:15:29 -0800 (PST) From: Darice Subject: Haight Ashbury music help (NJC) I'm planning a program at the San Francisco Public Library in the Haight, on the music of the Haight, in June 2003. Does anyone have any friends, acquaintances, family members, (Dennis McNally's sister, I've lost your email address), nmaes of people with stories, photos, memories of the Haight? Are they in the area still, available for the program? All help greatly appreciated........ TIA Darice email me @ darice@mindspring.com or leave message at 415-355-5656 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:51:24 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Cactus Tree Mitch wrote: <> This is SUCH a great Joni moment!! The *perfect* song for a *perfect* movie scene! I wrote about this movie when it first came out, and will reitterate that this scene with Cactus Tree as the backdrop is absolutely wonderful!! Everyone should go to their local video store and rent this now!!! Hugs, Ashara {Yeah, yeah, I know I am a day late and a dollar short, but I am finally catching up on a week's worth of e-mail on the plane back from Vancouver.} ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:16:22 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project I viewed her T'log paintings as a chronicle of actual history-changing events without a whole lot of hidden subtext other than some religious/cultural symbols surrounding the conflict. I recall her choice of songs for T'log were listed here before 9/11, too. To be repetitive, she said a few weeks after 9/11 that she viewed the conflict as the result of the "violence in film and movies exported by the U.S." I thought it a different kind of viewpoint at the time, but have come to agree with her in large part. The world has become desensitized to the ramifications of true violence. My reactiion to her recent comments as she was found listening to several talk radio shows is: 1. It is interesting that she is fascinated (maybe a little hooked) by them. 2. I hope she does not in the future dispel her global vision of the situation based on them. (Better to widen the vision and understanding by enrolling in some history classes down the street at UCLA and reading a variety of news and other reports at the library or on the internet). 3. If she writes new songs about "it's all about oil" I think she will be cheating her creative muse. (Although perhaps a self-deprecating ditty about owning an SUV might be fun). I've always thought she was prophetic and a visionary. I hope she can find that higher vision in the songs she may write on the state of the world today. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 23:32:33 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: best cover describing musical/lyrical content Hell asked: "Which cover best describes the musical and/or lyrical content of that album?" My vote goes for "Song to a Seagull." I think the album cover clearly shows what the listener is in store for. I love that Joni has divided the album into two parts and labeled them as "Part 1 - I Came To The City" and "Part 2 - - Out of the City, and Down to the Seaside." The artwork on the front cover clearly reflects Part 2, while the artwork on the backside reflects Part I. I like the photograph of Joni walking in the dreary weather through the dirty city, next to garbage cans, carrying all her belongings, and looking like a poor, young, struggling musician trying to make it - which is what she was. The songs also reflect this period of her life, living in a tenement castle, in a cobblestone sea, where the beaches were concrete, and the stars paid a lightbill. A noisy city where cab drivers are unfriendly, and where lonely people go window shopping in the rain. But at night, the city is pretty with all the lights that go waltzing in time. The artwork with the sea scene is a happier time, with sun on your shoulders and wind in your hair. You can leave your city satins behind and listen to the songs that the rigging makes. There are dolphins, mermaids, seagulls, and pirates. But once again, there is always another opposing view, such as when sandcastles crumble. I know Joni was not a big fan of her own curly-Q artstyle, but I especially love the way the seagulls are flying above the sunset to spell "Song to a Seagull." There is even a "cactus tree" in the artwork. Did someone mention that Joni appeared daisy-laden in her wedding photos from the WOHAM series that was just aired in Canada? The artwork on "Song to a Seagull" shows what appears to be a distorted headpiece above hair with daisies woven in. There may even be some pieces of "drip-dry and paisley"(Chuck?)here. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 22:14:30 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: w-word/Fiddle and Drum Kate Bennett wrote: > has anyone ever figured out the guitar chords to this song? i'd like to try > performing it as such with very simple guitar strums... This is a weird, dissonant song, not unlike Roses Blue and others she was writing at that time. It's also hard to know exactly what chord she may have been hearing in her head under the melody. But here's what it sounds like to me (the record is in Bb modulating up to C but I say capo that baby on the first fret and play it in "A") I'm using a Asus2 for the first and last chord, which sounds more "Joni" to me than a straight A Major. No matter how you slice it, there are some odd changes that will take you out of first position, especially after modulating. And [Asus2] so, once again, my dear [F] Johnny my dear friend And [Am] so, once again, you are [G#] fighting us all And [E/B bass] when we ask you why You [Am] raise your slicks and cry and we fall [A]Oh my friend, how did you [D/F#bass] come to trade the [D/A bass] fiddle for the [Asus2] drum Modulating up one step, the new chords would be Bsus2 / G / Bm / A# / F#/C#bass / Bm / B / E/G#bass E/B bass / Bsus2 Note the way it changes from major to minor and back to major again. On the A chord after 'fall' I hear it as straight major. Exactly where the last few chords fall is a matter of interpretation. Asus2, fretting low to high: 0,0,2,2,0,0 D/F#bass (D with F# bass) play low F# with thumb on 6th str. This will get you playing in the key of the record, but there may be a more elegant way of laying out the chords in a different key (key of C perhaps). RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:02:34 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: CBC Life and Times Greetings all! Last nights broadcast was truly magnificent! Catherine, Kate, Andrew, Ranger Rick. And all who posted, did so perfectly. All my friends called to tell me it was being broadcast. As far away as London, Ontario! My 10 year old daughter Jordan, called 15 minutes in to say she was trying to tape something on TV and saw a Joni thing on CBC! How cool is that? She then proceeded to comment that Joni looks like a wrinkly Siamese cat!!! The nerve! The programme was superbly done. Well produced and edited, current day Joni shot beautifully, and coming across quite lucidly. Many wonderful old clips interspersed with great guests- Crosby, Nash, James Taylor, David Geffen (to my surprise), Elliot Roberts. Lots we have seen before- the Johnny Cash Show, The Pink Dress concert, Dick Cavett. But really so well edited that all seemed almost brand new. And some we have not seen- Joni stills and movies as a child- stunning!- the incredibly intimate pictures from her wedding to Chuck.red cape running on the beach so well described by Andrew. The Laurel Canyon days really came thru beautifully. Often my heart felt pangs and tears welled up in my eyes. Joni was so lovingly portrayed, and held in such incredible artistic awe by the guests One clearly understood how important and life altering the effect she had on them was. Not only on them, but the music industry and our life and times as well. Over and over it was clearly said her uniqueness has not been met before, nor since. I must agree! And even as a youngster, Joni came across so profoundly. It was apparent way back then, that she was far ahead of the crowd in her way of looking at life and the world. Her vision of how she wished to express herself artistically was firmly in place. This will surely end up being one of our favourite Joni videos. I am eagerly awaiting next Tuesdays broadcast of part 2. Who knows what it will hold? Bob Muller remarked that he didnt hold out much hope that the latter part of her career will be given its due based upon her midstream changes from genre to genre, and the incredible artistic leaps she took. Well, that was clearly portrayed in part one, that she was doing it then. I can only assume the same for next week. A pure joy to watch! And thanks to the loan of Blue Smurfs Cupcake, the evening was most enjoyable ;-) Best to all, Stephen in Vancouver NP: Marcio Faraco- Ciranda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 02:12:22 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 6 1983: Joni performed at Budokan in Tokyo. This show was recorded for FM broadcast in Japan. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 02:12:22 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 6 On March 6 the following items were published: 1976: "1976 Nassau Concert Review" - Record World (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=433 1997: "Melancholy Meets the Infinite Sadness" - Rolling Stone (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=309 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #164 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)