From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #163 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 5 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 163 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's cover art - and the n j c "female god?" thread ["Lori Fye] Re: Some trivia - Joni "blesses" Crows' BYT [Murphycopy@aol.com] Story on the two Joni bios ["Kate Bennett" ] Subject: Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project ["Kate B] Re: Joni's cover art ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Religion (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: female god? njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: female god? njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: female god? njc ["Lori Fye" ] RE: w-word/Fiddle and Drum ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #162 [JSerkes@aol.com] Joni's cover art ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: doyouseewhatisee [Catherine McKay ] Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Some trivia - Joni "blesses" Crows' BYT ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Some trivia - Joni "blesses" Crows' BYT [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project [dsk ] joni cover art [dsk ] Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project ["Lori Fye" ] Re: JMDL project [Fauchja@aol.com] Re: Joni's cover art [Fauchja@aol.com] my two joni cents ["walterphil" ] Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project ["J.David Sapp" <] Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project ["mack watson-bus] RE: Does everyone still like me alot?(NJC) ["Heather" Subject: Re: Joni's cover art - and the n j c "female god?" thread Hell wrote, of what Joni might have been saying with the cover of DJRD: > "I'm whatever I want to be - male, female, black, white. Here I am, > take me as I am". Perhaps Joni is really ... GOD???? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:33:19 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Some trivia - Joni "blesses" Crows' BYT Bryan writes: << I don't know if this is true or not . . . (BIG SNIP) . . . CC's BYT has Joni's stamp of approval >> Thanks, Bryan! I forgot to report last week that a friend of mine told me she heard pretty much the same story on the radio recently. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:35:42 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Story on the two Joni bios interesting article- the only thing i winced at was that they edited out (given the time constraints but oh why not make it longer!) l. cohen's influence on joni's writing (i think cohen was one so influential) but it sounds like the released version was much improved & i can't wait to see it... >>Follow this link to get the story from the Ottawa Citizen on how the film, JM Both Sides Now and Again, became JM:AWOHAM http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id=c1d1062f-3aab-48f4-8b59-2d27d70eb 716<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:00 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #161 JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 5 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 161 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: NJC Debs Poll [Freddyb4@aol.com] Another chance to see Ben Taylor on TV (american TV) [NJC] [Richard Gold] Re: [TerryM2222@aol.com] Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind, part 1 - CBC TV [Catherine McK] Re: Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind, part 1 - CBC TV [Little Bi] RE: Toller Cranston njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Wall to Wall schedule NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: cats (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Life and Times of Joni Mitchell - wow! [Catherine McKay ] Re: cats (njc) [Gary Zack ] Re: Toller Cranston njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Story on the two Joni bios ["michael o'malley" ] Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind, part 1 - CBC TV [Rick and Susa] sounds like joni is thinking about her next project ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: [NortheastJonifest] Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind, part 1 - CBC TV ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: cats and cricket (njc) ["hell" ] cbc show: Joni Mitchell: A Woman of Heart and Mind [cul heath ] Re: NJC feminine pronouns for God NJC ["kakki" ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:20:51 EST From: Freddyb4@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Debs Poll In a message dated 05/03/2003 01:39:53 GMT Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 07:00:21 -0500 > From: Deb Messling > Subject: NJC feminine pronouns for God NJC > > I'm doing a quickie poll out there to find out if people find the use of > female pronouns for God to be offensive. Hello Deb What could be offensive about what you suggest ????? As a non-believer who would be quite happy to have something more to believe in, this is where all religion falls down, the inflexibility, the intolerence, the closed shop mentality, you will be welcomed into any religion as long as you toe the line, but if you rock the boat or ask awkward questions and you will be as welcome as a fart in a diving suit. Some people might take offence, but God ! She would just laugh ! Freddyb - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:22:35 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Another chance to see Ben Taylor on TV (american TV) [NJC] Ben and his band will be on the Late Night with Carson Daly show, next week, Tuesday March 18. ~Richard - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:34:40 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: My guess is she's nearly as tall as me (5'8"). I have a pix of us standing together when she came to Detroit a few years ago and I noticed I was just a tad taller than her. Terry www.addconsults.com In a message dated 3/3/2003 5:32:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, treegreen1@hotmail.com writes: I am curious to know, > > > How tall is Joni? > Does anyone know? - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:01:37 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind, part 1 - CBC TV I watched and taped part 1 of "Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind" on CBC tonight. I don't think any of you will be disappointed. This is a very tastefully done look at our Joan, featuring much music and lots of lovely images, both still shots and film. It also includes interviews with James Taylor, Graham Nash, David Crosby, David Geffen and Elliot Roberts, as well as Joan herself. Is there anything in it that the really fan doesn't already know? Probably not. I for one had never seen Joni's wedding pictures from her brief marriage to Chuck Mitchell, but I'm sure some of you have. And there were some recordings played of early Joni solo, as well as with Chuck - again, things some of you probably have in your collections, but not this lister. I video-recorded it here at home and also realized I could videotape it at the TV I have at work (sometimes I'm such an eejit that never occurred to me until today when I was looking at the little TV on my desk, realizing it had a VCR built into it, so I headed down to the drugstore downstairs and picked up a videocassette. It's very obvious the love the interviewees have for Joni still, especially Graham Nash. It made me wish things had worked out for them, as it's very evident how madly in love with her he was. If the only problem was competition for who would get to the piano first, then I'm sure they could have figured that one out quickly; still I totally get Joni's point about her frustrated poet/artist grandmothers and why she didn't want to get into a relationship that might make her want to kick the door down. I'm looking forward to part 2 next week and once again, I don't think any of you will be disappointed when this shows up on PBS in a bit less than a month. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:06:22 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind, part 1 - CBC TV Catherine wrote: Is there anything in it that the really fan doesn't already know? Probably not. I for one had never seen Joni's wedding pictures from her brief marriage to Chuck Mitchell, but I'm sure some of you have. I hadn't seen these either and what really stung my heart was her revelation that as she was walking down the isle "laden with daisies" she was thinking about how she could get out of the marriage. There was a lot of bitterness towards Chuck in this documentary with Joni admitting she felt betrayed by him. - - -Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:16:21 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Toller Cranston njc --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > I was a huge Toller Cranston fan. It is my > understanding that he and Joni > are friends. He recently stated that he felt he > changed the face of men's > figure skating. As immodest as that statement may > sound, he most certainly > did. Aside from being the first out male figure > skater in the profession. ... after Jimmy Stewart, that is. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:18:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Wall to Wall schedule NJC --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Bob writes: > > Carole Pope? Did you say CAROLE POPE???? I can't > believe she's going to be > there. I had to go all the way to Canada to find the > CD from when she was > with Rough Trade. Remember "All Touch" and "High > School Confidential"? Speaking of Carole Pope, she's going to be playing at Hugh's Room in Toronto in the next little while. I wonder if she'll sing any Joni songs? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:20:49 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: cats (njc) --- ron wrote: > hi > > does anyone else also have a cat who loves to climb > on the keyboard!!!!!! > > Piano or computer? Every now and then, one of my goofy cats climbs onto the (piano) electronic keyboard and manages to turn it on and play spooky cat music on it. I haven't caught one of them on the computer keyboard yet, but who knows - they're probably e-mailing their friends when there's no people at home. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:24:21 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Life and Times of Joni Mitchell - wow! --- Little Bird wrote: > (Did > the other Canadians recognize a very young Adrian > Clarkson sitting next to Joni in one of those old > interviews?) Yes! Our governor general was pretty much eye candy - she just sat there smiling. Who was the guy? was that Paul Soles? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:28:49 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind, part 1 - CBC TV --- Little Bird wrote: > > I hadn't seen these either and what really stung my > heart was her revelation that as she was walking > down the isle "laden with daisies" she was thinking > about how she could get out of the marriage. There > was a lot of bitterness towards Chuck in this > documentary with Joni admitting she felt betrayed by > him. He certainly comes across as a total A-hole. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:28:48 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: JMDL project sorry everyone, this was supposed to be a private mail to loori. mags, very embarrassed. Lori Fye wrote:> how about hormone replacement and then chippendales. I dunno... not > my idea :PPP LOL, Mags! Chippendales, huh? "Gayboys with their pants so tight" ; ) ~ You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 22:40:10 -0800 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: cats (njc) Hi Ron, My cats don't climb on the keyboard, but my one cat (Laverne) enjoys sitting in front of the computer screen so I can't see it!!! Best regards, Gary Zack ron wrote: >hi > >does anyone else also have a cat who loves to climb on the keyboard!!!!!! > > >ron >ron - np - allman brothers 1973.10.06 - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:41:13 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Toller Cranston njc In a message dated 3/4/03 10:17:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: Aside from being the first out male figure > skater in the profession. > after Jimmy Stewart, that is. > > No, it was Dick Button, then Toller, then me :~) Jimmy (who will attempt a triple salchow, quadruple toe walley combo at this years 2003 regional championships on Oct.1 in West Acton, Mass) - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 23:18:29 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Story on the two Joni bios Follow this link to get the story from the Ottawa Citizen on how the film, JM Both Sides Now and Again, became JM:AWOHAM http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id=c1d1062f-3aab-48f4-8b59-2d27d70eb 7 16 Apparently Joni vetoed the first film. The article is a little too long to reprint here. Saw part one tonght. Great footage of Joni's classic early songs and Laurel Canyon days. Joni talks briefly about her breakup with Graham Nash. This film is very much about her music career, not so much a story of her life. Poetic and lyrical are two words that would describe it. Michael in Quebec - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 20:29:44 -0800 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind, part 1 - CBC TV Oh my, that was so fine. This hour is all about the Joni I fell in love with in 1968. As a matter of fact there is a segment shown from the first time I saw her--a black and white CBC presentation where she plays Circle Game and fingers a chord with her index finger over the top of the neck. There's wonderful home movie footage both of her growing up and after she moves to California, as well as pictures from her wedding to Chuck (no love lost there, as Catherine has pointed out). Plus short clips of Joni singing in her folk club days and performing "Blues in the Bottle" with Chuck (I get the feeling that she was the draw in that duo: the performance was pretty standard folk fare except for the fact that Joni's voice was so divine.) My eyes got kinda misty a few times, watching clips of Joni swaying in the long velvet dresses she wore at all of the concerts I got to see in the late 60's. Did I mention I was so in love with her? For about 20 years? Interesting though that the first hour brings us only up to about 1970. That leaves one hour to span from 1970 to today. What I want now is to have access to all the footage and sound files that they used to compile this portrait. I must have it!!!! This is definitely a "no warts" portrait but that's the way I like my Joni best. Rick, rewinding as we speak. - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:30:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project my new performing songwriter magazine came today... an interview with larry klein (who mentions joni several times of course, in addition to others he's worked with) & ends with this very hopeful statement: "so i'm trying to finish that body of work and then possibly another record with julia, and joni and i have been talking about some things" !!!!! woohoo!!!! another interview with rosanne cash where at the top of her essential listening list is joni mitchell's 'blue' & under new music reviews, ben taylor gets an A- while lucinda williams gets an A+...saying she has surpassed her two previous releases...can't wait for this one (due out in early april) this mag is on the web- i'm not sure if you can read the klein article there or not ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:34:17 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Toller Cranston njc Jimmy wrote: > Jimmy (who will attempt a triple salchow, quadruple toe walley combo at this > years 2003 regional championships on Oct.1 in West Acton, Mass) Was that a quadruple toe wally? Does a tourist visa allow that sort of thing? Actually, I don't think I even want to know...... Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:40:45 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind, part 1 - CBC TV graham is one of the finest people i've ever met, his loyalty to david crosby is legendary & i am pretty sure he can be largely credited with saving crosby's life...i remember reading that graham wanted a stay at home wife & kids & joni did not feel that was her calling...graham does have a lovely wife of many years named susan & i think they have at least 2 kids... >It's very obvious the love the interviewees have for Joni still, especially Graham Nash. It made me wish things had worked out for them, as it's very evident how madly in love with her he was. If the only problem was competition for who would get to the piano first, then I'm sure they could have figured that one out quickly; still I totally get Joni's point about her frustrated poet/artist grandmothers and why she didn't want to get into a relationship that might make her want to kick the door down.< - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:11:05 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: JMDL project >All I have to say is: JONI TURNS 60 THIS YEAR ... let's do something special. Let's start planning NOW.< santa barbara, ca- 3rd annual joni tribute...maybe we'll do it like wall to wall... please all you nyc concert goers, i need full reports! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:17:54 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: cats and cricket (njc) Ron wrote: > does anyone else also have a cat who loves to climb on the keyboard!!!!!! No, but I have one that lies on the desk between me and the keyboard, with his head on my mouse hand, so I can't use anything. I think he might be trying to tell me something...... And in another message, Ron said: > ps - Hell, - arent you grateful to our wionderful sa cricket team who cant > count & thought theyd won against sri lanka only to find out that they > hadnt - by one run - & instead let NZ through to super sixes round?????? > :-( You have my sympathies, believe me. The good old Vera Duckworth/Jerry Lewis system strikes again! And Kenya is second only to Australia on points going into the Super Six? No one could have predicted that! And then they got annihilated by West Indies (who didn't even make the Super Six) in their last game, just to confuse people even more! I think this World Cup is becoming more of a lottery by the second. I still hope we win, though ;o)! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 22:19:18 -0800 From: cul heath Subject: cbc show: Joni Mitchell: A Woman of Heart and Mind http://66.183.107.55:81/cul1/homeworlds/journal/archives/003571.html - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 02:03:14 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 5 1974: Joni performed at the Anaheim Convention Center in Anaheim, California More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=592 1989: An all-star group gathered in Britain to record "The Spirit of the Forest" single, with proceeds going to the Earth Love Fund for the preservation of the Brazilian rainforests. At the end of the month, recording on the single continued in New York City and it was there that Joni added her one line about saving the birds and the monkeys. Some of the other musicians and singers involved in the project were Chris Rea, XTC, Bonnie Raitt, Ringo Starr, Olivia Newton-John, Thomas Dolby, and Kate Bush. - - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:23:31 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: femimine pronouns for GOD...NJC Dear Deb, in response to your mail about feminine pronouns for GOD... Call it male or female call it what you like, since It my be your GOD and YOU may feel a need to worship it, Call it by some name that could be either sex, Lesley, Jean/Gene... Robin or use English in a less usual way and miss out all personal pronouns... Now that would make for a wordy time... Surely GOD is a construct anyway? its not a real thing... its belief... so please put me down as a TOTALLY HAPPY FOR YOU TO USE WHATEVER YOU WANT as it is of absolutely no importance to me....since I do not believe in GOD as such... Ah but get me onto the natural powers of this world and that is a different thing...... good luck with your search Lucy - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 23:51:18 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: NJC feminine pronouns for God NJC Deb wrote: > The webmaster was VERY upset and changed the pronoun to "his," then the > library director asked me to remove the quote altogether. Ridiculous. They apparently have blanked out their minds from reading context and are reacting to something that had nothing to do with the theme of the book being discussed and an appropriate quote from the Amazon review. Kakki - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #161 ***************************** - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:46:10 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project very insightful debra, on the painting vs songwriting & how she might now be motivated to write more & also on t'log's subtle statement which had not occured to me...& you are so right, if she chooses to write about the world situation, it sure won't be simplistic... >I don't think painting, which she does for joy, will be able to convey those feelings. My first thought was that a new Joni album is on the way. I see T'log as her subtle anti-war statement, especially considering the paintings she included. And the songs...< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 10:48:16 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's cover art > Which is her "best" album cover, and why? Court And Spark, because the art flows so well and is multi- dimensional, just like the album (imo). > Which cover best describes the musical and/or lyrical content of that > album? The Hissing Of Summer Lawns ... On the foreground you can *see* The Jungle Line, The Boho Dance, and of course The Hissing Of Summer Lawns if you consider the hose to the sprinkler to be that snake ... and in the background you can see Harry's House (and is that the Pam Am roof behind it?) ... and of course there are all those Shadows And Light. > And which cover best describes Joni as a person? Hejira or Song To A Seagull, for their multi-layered complexity. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:58:36 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Religion (NJC) --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Freddy wrote: > > Confucius say, "Man who fart in church sit in own > pew." Wow! I remember this one - I feel like I'm 12 all over again (not a bad thing to be either.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:59:22 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: female god? njc --- Lori Fye wrote: > During a "vitamin A"-inspired moment in the > mid-1980s, I was > enlightened by the concept that god is a HUGE EYE > consisting of all > colors ... no gender involved. > > That's still my idea of god. > Kind of like Sauron? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 11:07:50 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: female god? njc Catherine wrote: > Kind of like Sauron? Of course I had to look that up as I'm not well-read in the works of Tolkien ... but yeah, kind of like that - except minus the EVIL part! Also see this interesting little ditty, found while looking Sauron: http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,57005,00.html LOL ... Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 11:08:47 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: female god? njc I wrote: > found while looking Sauron: I meant found while looking FOR Sauron! Lori, hoping she doesn't "look" Sauron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:16:39 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: w-word/Fiddle and Drum has anyone ever figured out the guitar chords to this song? i'd like to try performing it as such with very simple guitar strums... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:18:43 EST From: JSerkes@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #162 In a message dated 3/5/03 12:21:09 PM Central Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Which is her "best" album cover, and why? This may be better worded as > "Which > is your favourite", as this will always be subjective.... Which is her "best" album cover, and why? This may be better worded as "Which is your favourite", as this will always be subjective.... To me Nyrogrl, BLUE is the best. Only because I believe she took the cue from Laura Nyro, and basically copied (which is so unJoni) the "First Album, and Eli" portrait concept. Joni loved Laura, and I so groove on that. Just a thought. I loved DonJuan's Reckless cause of the Joni Mascarade, and I also grooved on Dog e Dog...both self portraited Joni...photos on DJ was awesome and so fun. Jody L. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:47:02 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni's cover art i have always loved the cover of Ladies of the Canyon...i love the b&w sketch of her with colorful imagery underneath on a background of white....it is a perfect visual reflection of the simplicity & relative innocence of that time & place (late 60's, early 70's in laurel canyon)... i have always had a particular fondness for that era both musically & culturally, wishing i could have somehow wandered into that music scene but in actuality living a somewhat parallel existence in another canyon about 100 miles north... well you know, as they say, you can take the girl out of the flowerpower but you can't take the flowerpower out of the girl...or something like that... i also feel the cover perfectly reflects the music/lyrics within & perfectly reflects who joni was at that time... >>Which is her "best" album cover, and why? This may be better worded as "Which is your favourite", as this will always be subjective.... Which cover best describes the musical and/or lyrical content of that album? And which cover best describes Joni as a person?<< npimh- 'the babysitters here'-dar williams "and it's peace, man, cool, yeah, the babysitter's here" ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:27:16 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: doyouseewhatisee --- twoshoes@sasktel.net wrote: > I sat there watching the show, with tears in my eyes > in response to Joni's > incredible bell-like voice in her youth, feeling so > *gratified* that her > praises were being sung so well and hoping that > maybe, just maybe, many > up-till-now deprived people would get an inkling of > what I have raved about > for years. I sat there with tears in my eyes through the whole thing. Then I watched it again today, and I still sat there with tears in my eyes. > While the show was on, although I was taping it, no > one in my family dared > talk to me! Same here. I had warned the kids in advance that I was WATCHING this show AND taping it. I couldn't tape it without watching, since my remote is broken and it doesn't seem you can program the thing without the remote (yeesh.) Anyway, I never trust that automatic programming. Half the time I put the wrong channel in - - why can't they keep the channel numbers the same on both cable and regular (antenna) TV? I hardly ever watch TV in any case so, for me to make this kind of demand was pretty much unheard of and they respected it. YES! in fact, only once did one of them even venture down to find out when the show was going to be over, and then he went back upstairs - and they didn't fight for the whole hour it was on! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:32:31 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project In a message dated 3/5/2003 4:15:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: > wonder if > there wasn't an anti-war message in her choice of some > songs. and Bob Muller wrote: While I will agree with you both on the paintings, Joni had chosen most of her songs (including "The Dawntreader", "Sire of Sorrow", "Borderline") prior to 9/11, so I don't think her choice of songs was any anti-war message for T'Log. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 15:37:44 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Some trivia - Joni "blesses" Crows' BYT You know, The first time I heard this cover I thought, "Oh god, what a piece of shit". I have listened to it over again more times and still think it is not as great as what others have been saying about it. Maybe it is that the last MAjor label acts to incorporate or to cover Joni has been with this song. And I just feel it is time for it to end. Big Yellow Taxi is such a great song but she has so many songs just as great that for some reason, have been covered but, don't reach the charts as much as this one. I guess on a positive note that this says something great about the power of song. Maybe it is that the counting crows never titilated me that way they do to some people. Their first album was good, but not many of their songs after that have excited me the way the first one did. Blair NP: Impressions, John Coltrane > >I don't know if this is true or not, but I picked it up off the Counting >Crows discussion forum. By the way, the Crows' cover of BYT continues to >climb the charts and is now charting in three American radio formats and is >a hit in the UK, NZ and Australia. > >Bryan > >I asked him if he'd had feedback from Joni on his version of BYT, and he >said she was there at the time they were recording it; she was in the next >studio recording something, and someone brought her in to listen, (and he >was embarassed), and she liked it. So CC's BYT has Joni's stamp of >approval, if any hard-core Joni fans were struggling with the concept.... _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:46:09 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Martin Simpson (SJC) Steve Dulson wrote:- > > > I saw the wonderful English folkie Martin Simpson last night and > was blown away. I can't believe I've missed him all these years - > only saw him once before, backing up June Tabor. > > Anyway, after finishing his first set with a furious "Masters > of War" he came back after the break and said "I think you > deserve some love songs now." He then talked about Joni, and > about how good Travelogue is, and how dumb Rolling Stone's > review of it was, all as a lead-in to playing "A Case of You". > Oh, he also said that when he was growing up in Scunthorpe, > he REALLY didn't want to be there - but he was able to escape > every time he played a Joni song. Obviously a huge fan. He > has fairly recently moved to New Orleans - watch out for him, > Paz man > Steve, you've upset me! I was all lined to go to see Martin in a concert > just 6 miles from my UK home a couple of months ago but had to cancel at > the last minute. I've never seen him live but have a few of his albums and > have admired his guitar playing for years. Now you tell me he's a Joni fan > too - not something I would have guessed and, if he's now living in New > Orleans, I'm not likely to get another chance for a while. And he sang my > favourite Joni song! Lucky you is all I can say. Take care Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:38:53 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: NJC feminine pronouns for God NJC hi Deb wrote: > The webmaster was VERY upset and changed the pronoun to "his," then the > library director asked me to remove the quote altogether. on a lighter note i have the proof that god is neither: a woman : yeah right - "she" would have given women: menstruation pmt (now *god* with pmt - theres a scary thought!!!!!) childbirth shopping a man: condemned men to live with woman with pmt????? - oh wow - sudden flash as to the the attraction of a gay lifestyle!!!!! :-D case closed... actually - there is *no* justification whatsoever for censoring your right to free speech - whether or not anyone agrees, disagrees, is offended or not, or just doesnt care is not the issue. & if people are really sincere they can either deal with it or pray sincerely for you to "see the light". or maybe just discuss it politely with you (now theres a novel concept). a library is/should be a bastion of free speech :-) ron (ps - vince im sure theres some kind of serious scriptural proof - no marriage in heaven 'cause people will be like the angels???) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 15:53:56 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Some trivia - Joni "blesses" Crows' BYT In a message dated 3/5/2003 3:37:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, donjuansrd80@hotmail.com writes: > Big Yellow Taxi is > such a great song but she has so many songs just as great that for some > reason, have been covered but, don't reach the charts as > much as this one. Plus it reinforces the public's image that Joni is an icon out of the 60's & 70's as opposed to a present force to be reckoned with. Sounds as though the CBC/PBS TV broadcast is going to pretty much gloss over her post C&S era as well. Bob NP: Wendy MaHarry, "Brand Me" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 16:00:33 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > While I will agree with you both on the paintings, Joni had chosen most of > her songs (including "The Dawntreader", "Sire of Sorrow", "Borderline") prior > to 9/11, so I don't think her choice of songs was any anti-war message for > T'Log. I know she'd chosen some songs prior to 9/11 because the tribute in Canada where she sang to the recorded symphony was pre-9/11 (I think, but am not sure about that since it seems like that was rather recent... must be the power of those enthusiastic posts about it.) I read somewhere that she gave Vince Mendoza a list of songs at the last minute that she wanted him to orchestrate, and my thought was some of those songs may have been post-9/11, when there was the expectation of bombing Afghanistan. Or, if they are all pre-9/11 choices, she's more of a visionary than I realized! Debra Shea P.S. I'm still intrigued and curious as to why she would chose Dawntreader. I'm glad she did, just wonder what her choosing reasoning was, for any of the songs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:19:17 -0500 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: Joni looks Ciao joniphiles, I think Joni is quite attractive, but in a cold, Nordic way. An old girlfriend once angrily asked me if I "wanted to $%*? Joni" because she was a little jealous of my playing her stuff so much. Actually, I always thought I would like to have Joni as an older sister :~) The attraction for me, anyway, has always been more intellectual than physical. Ciao, Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 16:24:27 -0500 From: dsk Subject: joni cover art JSerkes@aol.com wrote: > > > Which is her "best" album cover, and why? > > To me Nyrogrl, BLUE is the best. Only because I believe she took the cue from > Laura Nyro, and basically copied (which is so unJoni) the "First Album, and > Eli" portrait concept. Joni loved Laura, and I so groove on that. Just a > thought. That's interesting. I don't know that Laura album cover and am curious now so will go looking for it. I always thought she took the "Blue" idea from the Miles Davis album cover of "Kind of Blue", which is a blue-tinged closeup portrait also. And, since he's one of her heros, thought perhaps she'd been influenced by that. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:22:45 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project In a message dated 3/5/2003 3:59:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: > P.S. I'm still intrigued and curious as to why she would chose > Dawntreader. I'm glad she did, just wonder what her choosing reasoning > was, for any of the songs. > According to her "Words From a Woman of Heart and Mind" interview in the 2/8/01 issue of Billboard Magazine, Joni said "We're also doing 'The Dawntreader' from my first record. I'm just distilling what I think are essential songs in terms of my best writing but bearing in mind what translates to symphonic production." You may be right about her being visionary. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 13:42:41 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project Debra wrote: > Or, if they are all pre-9/11 choices, she's more of a visionary than > I realized! I was listening to the Travelogue version of "Otis and Marlena" last Friday night as I drove through the snow, and this part of a verse jumped out at me: Always the grand parades of cellulite Jiggling to her golden pools Through flock and cupid colonnades They jiggle into surgery Hopefully beneath the blade They dream of golden beauty They've come for sun and fun While Muslims stick up Washington On the JMDL site, there has always been this explanation: http://www.jmdl.com/glossary/muslims.cfm but I wondered to myself - as I considered the often shallow and self- absorbed nature of so many Americans versus the hard reality of the way so much of the rest of the world lives - if Joni doesn't have a bit of precognitive ability as well ... Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 16:42:56 -0500 From: "Rache A" Subject: Re: Alliterate Joni hi! This is one of my favourites:"You snipe so steadyYou snub so snide -So ripe and readyTo diminish and eride!You're so quick to condescend, My opinionated friendAll you deface, all you defendIs just a borderline"and all through that song there are plenty of examples... --Rachel - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:27:26 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL project and put some flowers round the room? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:33:08 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's cover art In a message dated 3/5/2003 1:49:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com writes: > >Which is her "best" album cover, and why? > > The back side of For the Roses (lp) because you get to see Joni's > beautifully unclothed backside. > >Which cover best describes the musical and/or lyrical content of that > >album? > In My opinion, WTRF>>>> Fauchja ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:45:42 -0500 (EST) From: "walterphil" Subject: my two joni cents best album cover? easy--for the roses- maybe a bit prejudiced cause its my fave lp but i think the blue green filter is amazing and i just love joni's face AND that outfit best descriptive of contents inside? has to be song to a seagull that illustration literally has half the songs within the drawing! and joni representation? clouds and travelog i just love those paintings and each well represents joni at that point in her life i find the van gogh portrait trite and embarrassing onto my reactions on first listening to joni lps--- (clouds & ladies) i initially only reacted to the more rolickin tunes (ie: chelsea and conversation) but eventually of course warmed up to the entire lps. went back and bought "seagull", and loved it (the best of the 3 i thought) (still do!!) and then proceeded to buy the albums as they came out NEVER once being dissapointed finding all of them fresh and amazing UNTIL "wild things"-(so pedestrian, for joni, i thought horrible painting as well) the same with "dog" and "chalkmark" (i eventually LEARNED to like several songs from each of these) but "night ride home" set things on track again for me with "turbulent" and "taming the tiger" completeing a "comeback"(for me) trio. one odd thing-i remember when "hissing" came out in the dead of winter--(such a summery album) and conversely "hejira" came out in the middle of summer! it didn't bother me-i like mixing up the seasons (i have christmas lights in my windows year round!) and...they're comming to take me away ha ha.... one last thing-its nice that joni and ex hubby are chattin-let's just pray it isn't a musical collaboration! xxx walt The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:54:35 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project Bob - so true on both counts. There are some beautiful acoustic versions of DED, The Three Great Stimulants & Lakota (CMIARS) out there. Impossible Dreamer would have been a good closer on T'log - no I think a GREAT closer. I think Three Great Stimulants would have been thematically perfect for T'log plus it has a gorgeous melody. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:18:23 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project Bob rated: > Good Friends (an OK pop song)C+ Gotta give that one at least an A- and love the sentiments there. > Fiction (Much too busy lyrically)F Oh no. A+++. And the busy-ness of the lyrics is what makes it so grand. > The Three Great Stimulants (solid Joni, literate & pensive) A- Agree on that one. > Tax Free (Preachy rhetorical lyrics, anti-melodic) F A+++. Can't beat this one. Don't find it preachy at all. As a matter of fact, seems anti-preachy to me. Guess one could see it either way. > Smokin' (Empty, Try Another) (A novelty throwawy, coulda been a contender and some funky bass work) C- A+ Love it just the way it is. A keeper with me. > Dog Eat Dog (Great song, weak production)A A+ Think they said it just the way it should have been said. > Shiny Toys (Good production (for what it was), weak song)D This one I didn't like. F. > Ethiopia (Beautiful and so sad) A A+++ > Impossible Dreamer (ditto but a bit more hopeful) A A++++ Can't improve on perfection. > Lucky Girl (another OK pop song)C B+ Nothing wrong with pop. Too bad she won't go trendy for a flavor or the month again. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:10:49 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Does everyone still like me alot?(NJC) i thought you were on the joni only list, bob? just couldn't stay away, eh? :-) heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of SCJoniGuy@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:10 AM To: Relayer211@aol.com; Joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Does everyone still like me alot?(NJC) > Everyone used to tell me how wonderful I am,how much they > liked what I had > to say.Does everyone still feel that way?thanks. Of course we do, Murphy! Gawd, sometimes you're so damn insecure... Oh, wait a minnit, this wasn't from Murph...my bad. Bob NP: The Lyres, "Teach Me To Forget You" PS: Relayer, you're cool as well. ;~) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #163 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)