From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #161 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 5 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 161 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC Debs Poll [Freddyb4@aol.com] Another chance to see Ben Taylor on TV (american TV) [NJC] [Richard Gold] Re: [TerryM2222@aol.com] Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind, part 1 - CBC TV [Catherine McK] Re: Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind, part 1 - CBC TV [Little Bi] RE: Toller Cranston njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Wall to Wall schedule NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: cats (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Life and Times of Joni Mitchell - wow! [Catherine McKay ] Re: cats (njc) [Gary Zack ] Re: Toller Cranston njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Story on the two Joni bios ["michael o'malley" ] Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind, part 1 - CBC TV [Rick and Susa] sounds like joni is thinking about her next project ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: [NortheastJonifest] Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind, part 1 - CBC TV ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: cats and cricket (njc) ["hell" ] cbc show: Joni Mitchell: A Woman of Heart and Mind [cul heath ] Re: NJC feminine pronouns for God NJC ["kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:20:51 EST From: Freddyb4@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Debs Poll In a message dated 05/03/2003 01:39:53 GMT Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 07:00:21 -0500 > From: Deb Messling > Subject: NJC feminine pronouns for God NJC > > I'm doing a quickie poll out there to find out if people find the use of > female pronouns for God to be offensive. Hello Deb What could be offensive about what you suggest ????? As a non-believer who would be quite happy to have something more to believe in, this is where all religion falls down, the inflexibility, the intolerence, the closed shop mentality, you will be welcomed into any religion as long as you toe the line, but if you rock the boat or ask awkward questions and you will be as welcome as a fart in a diving suit. Some people might take offence, but God ! She would just laugh ! Freddyb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:22:35 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Another chance to see Ben Taylor on TV (american TV) [NJC] Ben and his band will be on the Late Night with Carson Daly show, next week, Tuesday March 18. ~Richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:34:40 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: My guess is she's nearly as tall as me (5'8"). I have a pix of us standing together when she came to Detroit a few years ago and I noticed I was just a tad taller than her. Terry www.addconsults.com In a message dated 3/3/2003 5:32:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, treegreen1@hotmail.com writes: I am curious to know, > > > How tall is Joni? > Does anyone know? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:01:37 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind, part 1 - CBC TV I watched and taped part 1 of "Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind" on CBC tonight. I don't think any of you will be disappointed. This is a very tastefully done look at our Joan, featuring much music and lots of lovely images, both still shots and film. It also includes interviews with James Taylor, Graham Nash, David Crosby, David Geffen and Elliot Roberts, as well as Joan herself. Is there anything in it that the really fan doesn't already know? Probably not. I for one had never seen Joni's wedding pictures from her brief marriage to Chuck Mitchell, but I'm sure some of you have. And there were some recordings played of early Joni solo, as well as with Chuck - again, things some of you probably have in your collections, but not this lister. I video-recorded it here at home and also realized I could videotape it at the TV I have at work (sometimes I'm such an eejit that never occurred to me until today when I was looking at the little TV on my desk, realizing it had a VCR built into it, so I headed down to the drugstore downstairs and picked up a videocassette. It's very obvious the love the interviewees have for Joni still, especially Graham Nash. It made me wish things had worked out for them, as it's very evident how madly in love with her he was. If the only problem was competition for who would get to the piano first, then I'm sure they could have figured that one out quickly; still I totally get Joni's point about her frustrated poet/artist grandmothers and why she didn't want to get into a relationship that might make her want to kick the door down. I'm looking forward to part 2 next week and once again, I don't think any of you will be disappointed when this shows up on PBS in a bit less than a month. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:06:22 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind, part 1 - CBC TV Catherine wrote: Is there anything in it that the really fan doesn't already know? Probably not. I for one had never seen Joni's wedding pictures from her brief marriage to Chuck Mitchell, but I'm sure some of you have. I hadn't seen these either and what really stung my heart was her revelation that as she was walking down the isle "laden with daisies" she was thinking about how she could get out of the marriage. There was a lot of bitterness towards Chuck in this documentary with Joni admitting she felt betrayed by him. - -Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:16:21 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Toller Cranston njc --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > I was a huge Toller Cranston fan. It is my > understanding that he and Joni > are friends. He recently stated that he felt he > changed the face of men's > figure skating. As immodest as that statement may > sound, he most certainly > did. Aside from being the first out male figure > skater in the profession. ... after Jimmy Stewart, that is. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:18:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Wall to Wall schedule NJC --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Bob writes: > > Carole Pope? Did you say CAROLE POPE???? I can't > believe she's going to be > there. I had to go all the way to Canada to find the > CD from when she was > with Rough Trade. Remember "All Touch" and "High > School Confidential"? Speaking of Carole Pope, she's going to be playing at Hugh's Room in Toronto in the next little while. I wonder if she'll sing any Joni songs? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:20:49 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: cats (njc) --- ron wrote: > hi > > does anyone else also have a cat who loves to climb > on the keyboard!!!!!! > > Piano or computer? Every now and then, one of my goofy cats climbs onto the (piano) electronic keyboard and manages to turn it on and play spooky cat music on it. I haven't caught one of them on the computer keyboard yet, but who knows - they're probably e-mailing their friends when there's no people at home. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:24:21 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Life and Times of Joni Mitchell - wow! --- Little Bird wrote: > (Did > the other Canadians recognize a very young Adrian > Clarkson sitting next to Joni in one of those old > interviews?) Yes! Our governor general was pretty much eye candy - she just sat there smiling. Who was the guy? was that Paul Soles? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:28:49 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind, part 1 - CBC TV --- Little Bird wrote: > > I hadn't seen these either and what really stung my > heart was her revelation that as she was walking > down the isle "laden with daisies" she was thinking > about how she could get out of the marriage. There > was a lot of bitterness towards Chuck in this > documentary with Joni admitting she felt betrayed by > him. He certainly comes across as a total A-hole. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:28:48 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: JMDL project sorry everyone, this was supposed to be a private mail to loori. mags, very embarrassed. Lori Fye wrote:> how about hormone replacement and then chippendales. I dunno... not > my idea :PPP LOL, Mags! Chippendales, huh? "Gayboys with their pants so tight" ; ) ~ You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 22:40:10 -0800 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: cats (njc) Hi Ron, My cats don't climb on the keyboard, but my one cat (Laverne) enjoys sitting in front of the computer screen so I can't see it!!! Best regards, Gary Zack ron wrote: >hi > >does anyone else also have a cat who loves to climb on the keyboard!!!!!! > > >ron >ron - np - allman brothers 1973.10.06 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:41:13 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Toller Cranston njc In a message dated 3/4/03 10:17:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: Aside from being the first out male figure > skater in the profession. > after Jimmy Stewart, that is. > > No, it was Dick Button, then Toller, then me :~) Jimmy (who will attempt a triple salchow, quadruple toe walley combo at this years 2003 regional championships on Oct.1 in West Acton, Mass) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 23:18:29 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Story on the two Joni bios Follow this link to get the story from the Ottawa Citizen on how the film, JM Both Sides Now and Again, became JM:AWOHAM http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id=c1d1062f-3aab-48f4-8b59-2d27d70eb7 16 Apparently Joni vetoed the first film. The article is a little too long to reprint here. Saw part one tonght. Great footage of Joni's classic early songs and Laurel Canyon days. Joni talks briefly about her breakup with Graham Nash. This film is very much about her music career, not so much a story of her life. Poetic and lyrical are two words that would describe it. Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 20:29:44 -0800 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind, part 1 - CBC TV Oh my, that was so fine. This hour is all about the Joni I fell in love with in 1968. As a matter of fact there is a segment shown from the first time I saw her--a black and white CBC presentation where she plays Circle Game and fingers a chord with her index finger over the top of the neck. There's wonderful home movie footage both of her growing up and after she moves to California, as well as pictures from her wedding to Chuck (no love lost there, as Catherine has pointed out). Plus short clips of Joni singing in her folk club days and performing "Blues in the Bottle" with Chuck (I get the feeling that she was the draw in that duo: the performance was pretty standard folk fare except for the fact that Joni's voice was so divine.) My eyes got kinda misty a few times, watching clips of Joni swaying in the long velvet dresses she wore at all of the concerts I got to see in the late 60's. Did I mention I was so in love with her? For about 20 years? Interesting though that the first hour brings us only up to about 1970. That leaves one hour to span from 1970 to today. What I want now is to have access to all the footage and sound files that they used to compile this portrait. I must have it!!!! This is definitely a "no warts" portrait but that's the way I like my Joni best. Rick, rewinding as we speak. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:30:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project my new performing songwriter magazine came today... an interview with larry klein (who mentions joni several times of course, in addition to others he's worked with) & ends with this very hopeful statement: "so i'm trying to finish that body of work and then possibly another record with julia, and joni and i have been talking about some things" !!!!! woohoo!!!! another interview with rosanne cash where at the top of her essential listening list is joni mitchell's 'blue' & under new music reviews, ben taylor gets an A- while lucinda williams gets an A+...saying she has surpassed her two previous releases...can't wait for this one (due out in early april) this mag is on the web- i'm not sure if you can read the klein article there or not ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:34:17 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Toller Cranston njc Jimmy wrote: > Jimmy (who will attempt a triple salchow, quadruple toe walley combo at this > years 2003 regional championships on Oct.1 in West Acton, Mass) Was that a quadruple toe wally? Does a tourist visa allow that sort of thing? Actually, I don't think I even want to know...... Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:40:45 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Joni Mitchell - a woman of heart and mind, part 1 - CBC TV graham is one of the finest people i've ever met, his loyalty to david crosby is legendary & i am pretty sure he can be largely credited with saving crosby's life...i remember reading that graham wanted a stay at home wife & kids & joni did not feel that was her calling...graham does have a lovely wife of many years named susan & i think they have at least 2 kids... >It's very obvious the love the interviewees have for Joni still, especially Graham Nash. It made me wish things had worked out for them, as it's very evident how madly in love with her he was. If the only problem was competition for who would get to the piano first, then I'm sure they could have figured that one out quickly; still I totally get Joni's point about her frustrated poet/artist grandmothers and why she didn't want to get into a relationship that might make her want to kick the door down.< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:11:05 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: JMDL project >All I have to say is: JONI TURNS 60 THIS YEAR ... let's do something special. Let's start planning NOW.< santa barbara, ca- 3rd annual joni tribute...maybe we'll do it like wall to wall... please all you nyc concert goers, i need full reports! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:17:54 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: cats and cricket (njc) Ron wrote: > does anyone else also have a cat who loves to climb on the keyboard!!!!!! No, but I have one that lies on the desk between me and the keyboard, with his head on my mouse hand, so I can't use anything. I think he might be trying to tell me something...... And in another message, Ron said: > ps - Hell, - arent you grateful to our wionderful sa cricket team who cant > count & thought theyd won against sri lanka only to find out that they > hadnt - by one run - & instead let NZ through to super sixes round?????? > :-( You have my sympathies, believe me. The good old Vera Duckworth/Jerry Lewis system strikes again! And Kenya is second only to Australia on points going into the Super Six? No one could have predicted that! And then they got annihilated by West Indies (who didn't even make the Super Six) in their last game, just to confuse people even more! I think this World Cup is becoming more of a lottery by the second. I still hope we win, though ;o)! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 22:19:18 -0800 From: cul heath Subject: cbc show: Joni Mitchell: A Woman of Heart and Mind http://66.183.107.55:81/cul1/homeworlds/journal/archives/003571.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 02:03:14 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 5 1974: Joni performed at the Anaheim Convention Center in Anaheim, California More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=592 1989: An all-star group gathered in Britain to record "The Spirit of the Forest" single, with proceeds going to the Earth Love Fund for the preservation of the Brazilian rainforests. At the end of the month, recording on the single continued in New York City and it was there that Joni added her one line about saving the birds and the monkeys. Some of the other musicians and singers involved in the project were Chris Rea, XTC, Bonnie Raitt, Ringo Starr, Olivia Newton-John, Thomas Dolby, and Kate Bush. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:23:31 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: femimine pronouns for GOD...NJC Dear Deb, in response to your mail about feminine pronouns for GOD... Call it male or female call it what you like, since It my be your GOD and YOU may feel a need to worship it, Call it by some name that could be either sex, Lesley, Jean/Gene... Robin or use English in a less usual way and miss out all personal pronouns... Now that would make for a wordy time... Surely GOD is a construct anyway? its not a real thing... its belief... so please put me down as a TOTALLY HAPPY FOR YOU TO USE WHATEVER YOU WANT as it is of absolutely no importance to me....since I do not believe in GOD as such... Ah but get me onto the natural powers of this world and that is a different thing...... good luck with your search Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 23:51:18 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: NJC feminine pronouns for God NJC Deb wrote: > The webmaster was VERY upset and changed the pronoun to "his," then the > library director asked me to remove the quote altogether. Ridiculous. They apparently have blanked out their minds from reading context and are reacting to something that had nothing to do with the theme of the book being discussed and an appropriate quote from the Amazon review. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #161 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)