From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #160 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 4 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 160 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re: hejira ["Sarah Cartwright" ] Fire tragedy -- NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Cant wait to see the Masters Series [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's language [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni, CBC, tomorrow (now today) at 7 pm [Catherine McKay ] the w word..fiddle and the drum NJC? ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: the w word..fiddle and the drum NJC? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Fire tragedy -- NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Covers Freebie reminder [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni Bio Review ["James Leahy" ] Re: Toronto Star interview/article [Bob Shemkovitz ] Re: w-word; Fiddle & The Drum [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC -- WALLY BRUNCH CHANGE OF VENUE -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: NJC -- WALLY BRUNCH CHANGE OF VENUE -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Hejira,,,now I get it..... er do I? (NJC) ["Stephen Toogood" ] RE: Toller Cranston ["Jerry Notaro" ] Wall to Wall schedule [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Wall to Wall schedule NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] other music (NJC) ["ron" ] RE: Toller Cranston [Little Bird ] cats (njc) ["ron" ] A. Lennox tour - MANY more US dates! (NJ) [Little Bird ] Helplessly Hoping/alliteration (NJC) [Bruce Kimerer ] Re: cats (njc) ["Lori Fye" ] Alliterate Joni [KJHSF@aol.com] NJC on Vanilla Wannabes ["Suzanne MarcAurele" ] Re: JMDL project ["Lori Fye" ] Re: JMDL project ["Lori Fye" ] Re: NJC feminine pronouns for God NJC [TerryM2222@aol.com] Life and Times of Joni Mitchell - wow! [Little Bird ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 09:12:54 +0000 From: "Sarah Cartwright" Subject: re: hejira hi lucy your post on Hejira struck a chord with me as I USED to feel exactly the same. In fact the reason I went out and bought Hejira was that everyone on the list talked about it so highly and I thought I must be really missing something ! So I duly went out to buy it and I was so disappointed on first listening as previously I had been a total canyonlady blue type, so I think musically it takes a bit of getting used to the difference. But please persevere, you will grow to love it, there are a few I still don't particularly love but I used to skip the song Hejira itself and now I adore it - the words just blow me away. Song for Sharon always puts a smile on my face, Black Crow makes me want to go wild, Coyote is a great driving song, and A Strange boy just does something to me, it is sooo sexy, one of my joni favourites by far. So anyway, I agree with Catherine, give it a rest for a bit and go back to it, I'm sure it will grow on you, or vice versa! Or - you never know, and may I be struck down by lightening for saying it.. - you may simply just not ever like it, if we all liked everything in exactly the same way how boring it would be...... best wishes sarah - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stay in touch with absent friends. Download MSN Messenger for FREE! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 06:40:42 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Fire tragedy -- NJC --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > A "legal expert" for the local CBS news affiliate > said on last night's > broadcast that this tragedy is the result of a > confluence of many factors > that all came together on that fateful night. For > example, the band's > pyrotechnics guy was unlicensed. The club's interior > walls and ceiling were > covered in a non-flame retardant foam (which is less > expensive than the > fireproof kind) to help reduce noise levels that had > been a source of > complaints from neighbors. There was no sprinkler > system (which would have > cost about $20,000). And the place had let in more > people than the legal > limit allows that night. How was this allowed to happen? Are there no licensing requirements in Rhode Island? Don't they do fire & safety inspections before allowing these clubs to open up? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 06:50:53 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Cant wait to see the Masters Series --- Suzanne MarcAurele wrote: > Am really looking forward to seeing the Master > Series feature presentation > of Ms Joni Mitchell some of her life and times !!! > Just one small aside > here: THIS LIST IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT JONI > MITCHELL NOT THE CRAVINGS FOR > ATTENTION BY OTHERS, CAN WE TRY, GOING FORWARD TO > KEEP IT THAT WAY? I have > received at least one email where a member is > considering leaving the list > because it is filled with so much crap - I agree! > So lets get back to its > purpose!! Suzanne, if you're not on the joni-only list or digest, that's probably the problem. Most people don't forget to add the njc to their subject lines, although it does happen from time to time. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 07:00:21 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: NJC feminine pronouns for God NJC I'm doing a quickie poll out there to find out if people find the use of female pronouns for God to be offensive. Here's the background, if you want: I coordinate a book discussion group, and the readers chose "The Red Tent," which is a novel based on biblical characters, written from a female point of view. On the library's web page promoting the group, I used a quote from an Amazon review which said that the book was what the Bible might have been had it been written "by God's daughters instead of her sons." The webmaster was VERY upset and changed the pronoun to "his," then the library director asked me to remove the quote altogether. I was taken aback, and I'm tempted to make a bit of a fuss from an intellectual freedom point of view, but if my usage was truly offensive to sincere people, I don't want to do it. I'm not religious and I don't even know many religious people, so it's hard for me to gauge. Is it offensive? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/03 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 07:04:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's language --- Bruce Kimerer wrote: > > Or, also in O&M: "The golden dive, the fatted > flake". Now, I have no idea > what 'fatted flake' really means. I think of it as skin flaking, after a sunburn. It seems to me the more fat you have, the more likely you are to sunburn instead of tan (of course, being really white also contributes). The golden (ones) are in good shape - they're tanned and they're at the pool diving in and carrying on; the fatted (the fat ones) are just lying in the lounge chairs getting sunburned and flaking. I also think of the "golden" as being the young and beautiful ones (with or without the aid of cosmetic surgery) whereas the "fatted" are the older ones, past their prime, just lying around to catch some rays (instead of being up here in the frozen friggin' north, where they're threatening us with "heavy snowfall" today and tomorrow, and wondering whether taking the subway might not be a better idea than driving the car. I hate winter!) > > And she is not at all a show-off with her language. > I love the opening to > Paprika Plains for its plain speaking so artfully > put together that you can > see, hear and smell the scene: > > "It fell from midnight skies > It drummed on the galvanized > In the washroom women tracked the rain > Up to the makeup mirror > Liquid soap and grass > And Jungle Gardenia crash > On Pine-Sol and beer" This is probably one of my favourite Joni verses - just love the way that sounds. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 07:07:46 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni, CBC, tomorrow (now today) at 7 pm --- Little Bird wrote: > I'll be taping the show tomorrow on CBC but wonder > if it's necessary to send it to the U.S. since it's > the same program on PBS's "American Masters." I'll > have the tape, regardless, if it's needed for > dubbing. They might get a kick out of all our frikkin' commercials. Don't know if the USers know this but on Canadian TV you're allowed more commercial time, so this means they always cut bits out of every show that comes from the US. I think I may just buy the video that (was it Ranger Rick?) posted about - no commercials there, I hope. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 07:10:12 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hejira...... and others --- Rache A wrote: > Hejira is definitely one of my favourite albums. > Have you ever listened > to it while travelling? Though I can't explain why > really, it is > particularly wonderful then. Just last summer I was > listening to it > travelling, and in Black Crow at "I looked out the > window and I saw that > ragged soul take flight" I did look out the window > and a crow just flew > out of a tree into the blue sky... I listened to it yesterday while driving to work and on the way back home, after Lucy posted about it. Yesterday was a perfect Hejira day. It was sooooo cold, but the sky was very clear, so you could see all the "white flags of winter chimneys". And, on the way home, just as I was pulling onto my own street, I saw not six, but two, white vapor trails above the (not exactly) bleak terrain. It was the duogram of the heavens? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:16:49 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: the w word..fiddle and the drum NJC? The fiddle and the drum... Powerful song this... why cannot it be taken up as an anthem and sung loudly and long throughout the world... But would they listen? these leaders? I think not........ Lucy Who is sadder about the imminence of this slaughter than she can really articulate. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 07:22:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: the w word..fiddle and the drum NJC? --- Lucy Hone wrote: > The fiddle and the drum... > > Powerful song this... why cannot it be taken up as > an anthem and sung loudly > and long throughout the world... I hope we'd all be singing in the same key... ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 07:25:13 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: feminine God PRIVATE REPLIES please NJC I forgot to say that I'd prefer private replies to my question. The last thing I want to do is ignite a flame war about God on the JMDL list, not after what we've been through lately! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/03 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 04:25:23 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: NJC feminine pronouns for God NJC Good Morning! - --- Deb Messling wrote: >I coordinate a book discussion > group, and the readers chose "The Red Tent," which is a novel based on > biblical characters, written from a female point of view. On the library's web page promoting the group, I used a quote from an Amazon review which said that the book was what the Bible might have been had it been written "by God's daughters instead of her sons." > > The webmaster was VERY upset and changed the pronoun to "his," then the library director asked me to remove the quote altogether. > > I was taken aback, and I'm tempted to make a bit of a fuss from an > intellectual freedom point of view, but if my usage was truly offensive to Make a BIG fuss Deb! Although I am an atheist and clearly a feminist, this IS just censorship of your intellectual freedon point of view. I am sure it is offensive to some, but any opposing thoughts or views can be taken as such. Women in my community, not all, but many use the female pronoun for god. And many men as well as women, I know often speak of god as he or she. It's a possibility, if in fact a god does exist, though I would tend to think of that entity as neither sex specifically. Actually I would love to read this book, now that you've mentioned it! That's just my 2 cents. Peace, Susan Gooddess forbid the atheist has something to say! LOL! Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 08:11:34 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: NJC feminine pronouns for God NJC Deb I forget these issues exist. I'm am very offended about changing the word "her" to "him" by the webmaster. Given all that has happened in the theology since the early 1970s, male language as the exclusive way to refer to God is dead, dead, dead as an issue - unless you run into narrow mined people which you have here, it would seem. A problem with saying what the Bible might have been had it been written "by God's daughters instead of her sons."' is beyond reason. God is not a superman with a penis and testicles. God is not bound by physical limitations of human gender. Geneses 1 states that God created human beings "in the image of God, male and female." At the very least God transcends human sexual limitations. You can go to the hymnals of the Lutherans (With One Voice) and the United Church of Christ (New Century Hymnal) and see hymns that refer to God with feminine terminology. The Scriptures themselves refer to a God who would nourish us a mother suckles her child at the breast, and a mother hen who would draw her children under her wings. The "Spirit" as the third 'person' of the Trinity in Greek is a feminine word, sophia, (wisdom, which is feminine...) and the Hebrew words for spirit - wind, breath, are hardly gender specific. To get around this present controversy, rather than wage theological war, the solution is to eliminate all gender specific references as in: what the Bible might have been had it been written "by God's daughters instead of God's sons." That does still change another person's words but doing away with pronouns is what I do in worship all the time to avoid gender specific pronouns. Once they agree on my wonderful proposal above - can they object to saying the word "God" again - then organize a library study on Biblical understandings and terminology for God. It will blow everyone away. Vince aka (the Rev) Vince Deb Messling wrote: >I'm doing a quickie poll out there to find out if people find the use of >female pronouns for God to be offensive. > > Here's the background, if you want: I coordinate a book discussion >group, and the readers chose "The Red Tent," which is a novel based on >biblical characters, written from a female point of view. On the library's >web page promoting the group, I used a quote from an Amazon review which >said that the book was what the Bible might have been had it been written >"by God's daughters instead of her sons." > >The webmaster was VERY upset and changed the pronoun to "his," then the >library director asked me to remove the quote altogether. > >I was taken aback, and I'm tempted to make a bit of a fuss from an >intellectual freedom point of view, but if my usage was truly offensive to >sincere people, I don't want to do it. I'm not religious and I don't even >know many religious people, so it's hard for me to gauge. Is it offensive? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:16:17 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fire tragedy -- NJC This is really scary, as that same band played at the Stone Pony on Valentine's Day, a club that I frequent a lot. They pulled the same stunt there. Thank God nothing happened, but it could have. I attended the 29th Anniversary bash with Joe Grushecky the next night and the place was filled to way over capacity. This happens more times than not. rosie in nj Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 08:28:32 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers Freebie reminder Just a quick reminder to get your guess in to win a FREE copy of Covers, Volume 38...I've got 2 leaders, of course, but there are MANY guesses that would beat the current leaders. All JMDLer's new & old from anywhere in the universe can play. No Joni fans in Virginia? That surprises me a bit. Bob NP: Laura Love, "Bad Feeling" NP: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:42:21 -0500 From: "James Leahy" Subject: Joni Bio Review Here's a review of the Joni bio from this morning's Globe and Mail by John Doyle. Life & Times: Joni Mitchell (CBC, 7 p.m.) is the big Canadian deal. A wonderfully rich and detailed study of Mitchell's life and music, it's way better than the usual Life & Times quickie biography. A two-parter (part two airs next week), it will later be seen on PBS as an American Masters special. Mind you, she is Canadian. It's a richly detailed assessment of Mitchell, with a lot of marvellous footage from Canadian TV over the years. Best of all, it has many interviews with fellow musicians who assess her honestly and, sometimes, ruefully. Mitchell herself is an utterly beguiling figure, sharp, witty and self-deprecating. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 09:10:37 -0500 From: Bob Shemkovitz Subject: Re: Toronto Star interview/article on Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:59:41 -0500 (EST) Catherine McKay wrote: > Today's (Sunday's) Toronto Star has an > article/interview on Joni in the Arts & Entertainment > section. There's also a photo in the hard-copy > version.) > > Here's a link: > > http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article > _Type1&c=Article&cid=1035778493755&call_pageid=968867495754&col=969483191630 Catherine, thanks for posting this article! It contains some info I wasn't aware of, mainly, that the film was produced by Eagle Vision. They're a subsidiary of Eagle Rock Entertainment, which has produced a ton of music related shows on home video. Not sure, but I believe they did Painting With Words & Music; at any rate, I know I've seen the Eagle Rock logo on many of the concert-film DVD's I own. I take this as a sign that the Joni film will be eventually released on home video...let's keep our fingers crossed. Judging by the preview excerpts on the CBC site, it looks like a terrific production! Another Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 06:54:37 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Toller Cranston I notice that one of the Life and Times programs is to feature Toller Cranston. Does anyone know if this has aired yet? If so, does anyone have a copy or know how I could get one? oh, and a little Joni/Toller trivia - Toller skated to a piece from i Pagliacci, one of his most well know programs. Of course Joni mentions Pagliacci in Otis & Marlena. And we all know that Toller is the skater on the cover of Hejira. From what I understand, he makes Joni look positively humble! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:11:26 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fire tragedy -- NJC Catherine writes: << How was this allowed to happen? Are there no licensing requirements in Rhode Island? Don't they do fire & safety inspections before allowing these clubs to open up? >> I don't know, Catherine. I do know that RI was the most overly corrupt state I've ever lived in. The former mayor of Providence is in a federal prison now! The mayor of the city of Boston, however, just signed a law yesterday banning fireworks from all nightclubs. (It's hard to believe this law is necessary because people don't have the common sense it takes to NOT set off fireworks indoors, though.) --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 07:17:55 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Spotting a Joni fan at 50 paces > Has anyone else ever spotted a Joni fan from afar? I had the reverse happen. I was in Todos Santos (Baja Mexico) - home of the "real" Hotel California - in December 2001, walking up one of the lovely little streets ... I was wearing my wonderful JoniFest 2001 t-shirt, which has a photo of Joni on the front. An American woman was walking toward me, and suddenly she stopped, pointed at my shirt and exclaimed, "Joni Mitchell!!" Then we looked at each other and smiled the biggest smiles. : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:23:05 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Bio Review jamesl@ca.inter.net writes: << Mitchell herself is an utterly beguiling figure, sharp, witty and self-deprecating. >> "Self-deprecating?" Joni? That's about the last word I'd use to describe her! If she's self-deprecating in this bio, it should be a fascinating show. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 15:31:18 +0000 From: "Tamsin Lucas" Subject: Re: more Brett Easton Ellis NJC How was it Vince? It's not out in the UK until 28th April but I'll be watching it then. I'm just not too sure how I will take Dawson from Dawson's Creek playing Sean!! He seems so far removed from him but maybe I under estimate him (James Van der Beek). > >I am watching Rules of Attraction tonight, newly out on video/dvd. > >Has anyone else seen it? > >Vince > > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:30:10 -0500 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: w-word I have often posted about The Fiddle and the Drum, especially when it got listed as a least favorite by list members. I always loved this song in the Vietnam era. It was brave both lyrically and musically. Who else would have recorded an accapella song like it, but our Joan. The "My dear Johnny, my dear Friend," is especially poignant in today's world when those who are protesting are accused of being unpatriotic. It is a trick that Tricky Dick was most fond of. Jerry - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:22 PM To: JMDL Subject: w-word >From the Toronto Star interview: Instead her radios are tuned to talk stations offering news flashes and political commentary, which all seem like madness to her. "I wander through my house trying to get a picture of what is happening to the human psyche," she says in a tone that's both perplexed and angry. That would be enough to send anyone off the deep end. She should come here and talk to us, we don't talk about the w-word ( on Joni-only ). From my perspective as an outsider (Canadian), She described the situation herself perfectly well in 1968 with her lament, The Fiddle and the Drum. And so once again My dear Johnny my dear friend And so once again you are fighting' us all And when I ask you why You raise your sticks and cry, and I fall Oh, my friend How did you come To trade the fiddle for the drum You say I have turned Like the enemies you've earned But I can remember All the good things you are And so I ask you please Can I help you find the peace and the star Oh, my friend What time is this To trade the handshake for the fist And so once again Oh, America my friend And so once again You are fighting us all And when we ask you why You raise your sticks and cry and we fall Oh, my friend How did you come To trade the fiddle for the drum You say we have turned Like the enemies you've earned But we can remember All the good things you are And so we ask you please Can we help you find the peace and the star Oh my friend We have all come To fear the beating of your drum Joni Mitchell 1968 If anyone has personal opinions on the w-word please use NJC. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 12:23:20 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: w-word; Fiddle & The Drum In a message dated 3/4/2003 11:30:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: > I have often posted about The Fiddle and the Drum, > especially when it got > listed as a least favorite by list members. It IS a very strong song musically & lyrically...maybe it doesn't get its due because it has no accompanying instrumental part, but for me that adds to the power of the song. And it's also done in great style by June Tabor whose voice is a perfect match for it. Lyrically, what I find so moving about it is that in the first three verses she ends with a question, as if the conflict is avoidable, but by the final stanza she states the disappointing inevitability - "we have all come to fear the beating of your drum". Bob NP: Lynyrd Skynyrd, "The Ballad of Curtis Loew" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:45:13 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: NJC -- WALLY BRUNCH CHANGE OF VENUE -- NJC Hello, Wallyworlders! Plans have changed for this coming Sunday's brunch with the Birthday Fairy because my first choice -- Johnny D's in Somerville -- does not take reservations. :-( Culinary Queen Maggie, who has lots of experience in events planning and loves to eat, has recommended that we convene at Sidney's Grille in The Hotel at MIT, which is at 20 Sidney St. in Central Square, Cambridge, 617-494-0011. (I have cut and pasted their brunch menu below.) Fact is, Sidney's may be a better place to get together than Johnny D's because Sidney's does not feature a jazz brunch, so there won't be any loud music that will get in the way of our boisterous conversations. I hope this change meets with everyone's approval. Please let me know by tomorrow morning if you're planning to attend and if you are bringing a guest or two and then I will make reservations with our final head count. I think we should plan to be there and ready to be seated at noon because that will give us a couple of hours to linger over brunch -- and Wally! -- before the restaurant closes. A-OK? Here's a link to the hotel: http://www.hotelatmit.com From that link you can click on DIRECTIONS, or just go here: http://www.hotelatmit.com/ancill/directions.html This is a link to the SIDNEY'S GRILLE part of the site: http://www.hotelatmit.com/sidney/ And here Is their brunch menu: Sidney's Grille Brunch Saturday, Sunday 11am - 2 pm Beverages Coffee, Decaffeinated B $2.25 French Press Coffee B $4/ $7 Espresso B $2.50 Cappuccino B $3 CafC) au Lait B $3 Loose Tea B $3 Hot Chocolate B $2 Milk b Whole, 2% or Skim B $1.50 Fresh Juice Freshly Squeezed Orange Juice or Grapefruit, Tomato, Cranberry and Apple Juice B $2.95 Alcoholic Beverages (not served until 12:00 on Sundays) Mimosa B $4.50 Kir Royale B $5 Bloody Mary B $5 Breakfast Specialties: Starters: Sidney's Daily Soup B $3.50 Romaine Salad with Roasted Garlic Dressing B $4.50 EntrC)es: Three Egg Omelet Choice of Maine Crab, Harrington Ham, Tomatoes, Spinach, Wild Mushrooms, Onions, Feta or Smoked Cheddar Cheese B $8.50 Three Eggs Any Style, Choice of Ham, Bacon or Sausage, Home fries B $8 Poached Eggs on Red Flannel Hash Served wit h Chive Hollandaise B $9.50 Poached Eggs on Toasted Bagel Country Ham or Smoked Salmon, Hollandaise and Fresh Asparagus B $10.50 Assorted Danish on the Griddle Marinated Fresh Fruits B $8.50 Fresh Fruits and Berries Homemade Granola and Yogurt B $8.50 Lunch Specialties: Maine Crab Cakes Spicy Slaw, Lentil Crisp B $11.50 Smoked Haddock Baby Potatoes, Asparagus and Light Cream B $10 Grilled Chicken Spinach Salad, Vermont Chevre, Fresh Fruits and Spicy Pecan Vinaigrette B $9.50 Bourbon BBQ Chicken Smoked Gouda and Country Bacon Club, Yukon Fries B $9.50 Sidney's Angus Burger Charred Onions, Cheddar, Arugula, Tomatoes, Wild Mushrooms, and Smoky Tomato Ketchup, Yukon Fires B $8.50 Pasta of the Day Fish of the Day Sorry about the change. I hope everyone is okay with it. And please get back to me ASAP. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:50:55 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC -- WALLY BRUNCH CHANGE OF VENUE -- NJC I wrote: << Hello, Wallyworlders! >> Also, if any others -- lurkers or anyone who hasn't responded yet -- would like to join us on Sunday for Wally's brunch please let me know off list, or let us all know by replying to NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com. Thanks, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 07:57:13 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Hejira,,,now I get it..... er do I? (NJC) (PS. It's Chris here, using Steve's 'puter. Can't be arsed to try and set my reply address to chris@hatstand.org If you send a reply, make sure to send it there, K?) Lucy Hone wrote:- > The words to the songs (those that I have read) on Hejira are wonderful... but > musically it does not do a lot for me. All that fretless bass wobbling > about... I have tried listening to it as background music, listening to it in > total concentration, listening to it in the bath, listening to it in the car. Lucy... how do I start? [hyperventilates] [goes for cup of tea] [fans face] I didn't expect our friendship to be challenged so early on y'know... But... dissing Hejira? And dissing Jaco? Wobbling around???? Egads, this is just so hard to take on board. I'll need time and space, of course. Counselling too. OK, I made all that up. :) Well done for being brave and actually saying you don't get on with it - Hejira is possibly one of the ones that's hardest to come out and diss in public. Certainly, there's been very little negative criticism of it that I've noticed on here, especially compared to, ummm, ahhh, well, you know the ones I'm thinking of. :) Fast Dogs, yeah, that's it. PS. Did you realise that's a fretless bass I play on all the Stryngs stuff? I even wobble around now and again... - --Chris chris@hatstand.org (not what the header says) www.stryngs.com for wobbly fretless bass playing :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:08:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Hejira...... and others Catherine wrote: I listened to it yesterday while driving to work and on the way back home, after Lucy posted about it. Yesterday was a perfect Hejira day. It was sooooo cold, but the sky was very clear, so you could see all the "white flags of winter chimneys". And, on the way home, just as I was pulling onto my own street, I saw not six, but two, white vapor trails above the (not exactly) bleak terrain. It was the duogram of the heavens? hey Catherine, nice images!!! Hejira the perfect winter fare . As others have mentioned, I agree, Hejira grows on you. When I joined the list, I had not heard it at all either *gasp* but now, it's something I do enjoy so much. I keep hearing various jmdlers in my mind when I listen now.. we usually put that one on in the car, it is the perfect travellling companion and we sing to our heart's content. Lucy, as a dear friend over there said.. I do admire you for having the chutzpah to fess up to not warming up to Hejira. Perhaps in time, perhaps not. good for you! Mags, who knows there are a couple that I dont like much at all... something about fat dogs?? ;-) ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:09:42 -0500 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: Toller Cranston I was a huge Toller Cranston fan. It is my understanding that he and Joni are friends. He recently stated that he felt he changed the face of men's figure skating. As immodest as that statement may sound, he most certainly did. Aside from being the first out male figure skater in the profession. Jerry - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of anne@sandstrom.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:55 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Toller Cranston I notice that one of the Life and Times programs is to feature Toller Cranston. Does anyone know if this has aired yet? If so, does anyone have a copy or know how I could get one? oh, and a little Joni/Toller trivia - Toller skated to a piece from i Pagliacci, one of his most well know programs. Of course Joni mentions Pagliacci in Otis & Marlena. And we all know that Toller is the skater on the cover of Hejira. From what I understand, he makes Joni look positively humble! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 15:09:53 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Wall to Wall schedule As follows: Tentative Schedule: 11:00 AM - 2:00 PM Lauren Flanigan, Bob Holman (poetry), Lorinda Lisitza, Morley, Jason Moran, Garland Jeffreys with Alan Freedman, Lucy Kaplansky, Laurie Anderson, Gail Ann Dorsey, David Krakauer 2:00 PM - 5:00 PM Martha Wainwright, Ivy Austin (accompanied by Lanny Meyers), Christine Lavin, Suzzy and Maggie Roche, Four Bags with David Garland, Lila Downs, Luciana Souza, Theo Bleckmann with John Hollenbeck and Gary Versace, Greg Osby with Matthew Brewer and Mike Moreno 5:00 PM - 8:00 PM Edie Carey and Anne Heaton, Elliott Sharp, The Four Bags with Andy Biskin, Nora York, Melissa Errico, Carole Pope, Fred Hersch, Sussan Deyhim 8:00 PM - 11:00 PM The Mingus Big Band, Don Byron , Ute Lemper Looks pretty awesome! I recognize a lot of these names from the covers I've collected. Also, this show is going be broadcast in its entirety on WFUV, so if there's a New Yorker who's not going but can record the broadcast, we can tree this bad boy and have a nice quality recording. Bob NP: The Lyres, "I Love Her Still, I Always Will" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:32:59 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Wall to Wall schedule NJC Bob writes: > 5:00 PM - 8:00 PM > Edie Carey and Anne Heaton, Elliott Sharp, The Four Bags with Andy Biskin, > Nora York, Melissa Errico, Carole Pope, Fred Hersch, Sussan Deyhim > Carole Pope? Did you say CAROLE POPE???? I can't believe she's going to be there. I had to go all the way to Canada to find the CD from when she was with Rough Trade. Remember "All Touch" and "High School Confidential"? I can't wait to find out what Joni song she's going to sing. She's got that deep voice so maybe it will be some 90's Joni, or she'd do a great job with "Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire". AND Suzzy & Maggie Roch!!!! Damn I wish I could be there. Someone please record this. Thanks for the update Bob. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:23:14 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: other music (NJC) hi >>>>hell >>>>After posting about the state of the music getting air-play these days, and the strength and beauty of Joni's lyrics, I thought it would be interesting to see some examples of artists who we think "should" be more widely known. I've got to know artists here that I would never have otherwise known about, for example, Jonatha Brooke, Willy Porter, Ani Difranco (although those last two might be the influence of one particular lister)! So who are some "unknown" artists, that we should know about? I'll start the ball rolling, by putting in a big plug for Dave Dobbyn, a NZ singer-songwriter. He's very well known here, and has had a number of "hits" but I think he deserves a much wider audience.<<<<<<<< i must say that ive learened far, far more about music via the internet than any other medium ever. trades, samplers discs, & recomendations - together with some analysis/recomendations of the music have pointed me in directions i would never have gone - even to the extent of having to order in from overseas 'cause the music just never was released here. and in that vein i would like to post the following review: "An early contender for the album of the year, this selection of country blues and hip hop tunes add up to what White describes as 'Redneck Brigadoon'. An extremely quirky work that flips between gentle numbers and raunchy hillbilly beats, it should come packaged with the accolade 'Warped Genius' on the cover." ***** (Five Stars) - The Independent" the album is jim whites brilliant one - "no such place" (havent heard his others yet - but will be soon) available from david byrnes label - www.luakabop.com its a great album. (deep breath & here goes ) kind of like a ryan adams - with talent, depth & originality (sorry - i just dont get ryan, or whiskeytown). ron np allman brothers band - 1973-06-10 (i dont know the song name) ps - Hell, - arent you grateful to our wionderful sa cricket team who cant count & thought theyd won against sri lanka only to find out that they hadnt - by one run - & instead let NZ through to super sixes round?????? :-( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:46:03 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: RE: Toller Cranston He's also a remarkable artist. His drawings are so beautiful! Immodesty and artistic talent - two things he and Joni have in common! The "Life & Times" on Toller was a beautiful documentary - very moving, actually. - -Andrew Jerry Notaro wrote:I was a huge Toller Cranston fan. It is my understanding that he and Joni are friends. He recently stated that he felt he changed the face of men's figure skating. As immodest as that statement may sound, he most certainly did. Aside from being the first out male figure skater in the profession. Jerry - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of anne@sandstrom.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:55 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Toller Cranston I notice that one of the Life and Times programs is to feature Toller Cranston. Does anyone know if this has aired yet? If so, does anyone have a copy or know how I could get one? oh, and a little Joni/Toller trivia - Toller skated to a piece from i Pagliacci, one of his most well know programs. Of course Joni mentions Pagliacci in Otis & Marlena. And we all know that Toller is the skater on the cover of Hejira. From what I understand, he makes Joni look positively humble! lots of love Anne Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:33:58 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: cats (njc) hi does anyone else also have a cat who loves to climb on the keyboard!!!!!! ron ron - np - allman brothers 1973.10.06 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:29:09 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: A. Lennox tour - MANY more US dates! (NJ) Check out her official tour site for more info: http://www.alennox.net - -Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 16:35:06 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Wall to Wall schedule NJC FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > Damn I wish I could be there. Someone please record this. > Thanks for the update Bob. Everyone with a speedy enough internet connection can listen by going to http://www.wfuv.org and clicking on the "Hear WFUV Now!" picture. They recommend at least a 56K modem connection and you need Windows Media Player, which you can download from the WFUV website. I've just managed to get it set up on my Mac via Netscape and it's coming through wonderfully clearly. It may be that recording via the internet is a better idea than via the airwaves, in which case anyone anywhere with a fast connection and big enough hard drive could do it. The radio signal transmitter is in the Bronx, which is not far from where I am in Manhattan, and yet I've never been able to pick up WFUV on the radio. The line up IS impressive. I had expected to skip the first "session" but now don't want to miss finding out how Laurie Anderson will interpret a Joni song (with violin I hope) and would like to see Lucy Kaplansky also. And there are people throughout the day I don't want to miss. What a grand event this is! Debra Shea NP: The news on WFUV.org. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 17:34:52 -0500 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: Helplessly Hoping/alliteration (NJC) Bobsart wrote: "The biggest smile I have gotten from it, though, was recalling the day I taught my suitemates the 4-parts to Helplessly Hoping (Steven Stills's amusing attempt at alliteration" True, true> I had kinda forgotten about that one. A pretty egregious example. Joni's had her moments, too. I'll have to look some up. BTW, Amelia has very little alliteration. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 15:10:48 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: cats (njc) Ron wonders: > does anyone else also have a cat who loves to climb on the > keyboard!!!!!! Ohhhh yeah. Also on the fax machine, which makes a lovely "beep beep beep" noise. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:12:31 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Alliterate Joni One of the first examples I noticed is still my favorite; "Through the tunnels, tiled and turning" Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:14:17 -0500 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: NJC on Vanilla Wannabes unlike your perception of those who desire this to remain a Joni Only Website as something, shall we say, tender, a bit lame when after all there is more to life than Joni, yes and I note, I haven't seen anyone of you on my bookshelf but the mail I get on the side occasionally tells me that there is two ways to look at the Vanilla Sky - one is we should all commit suicide because our lives are filled with memories of people we never met and the people we meet can't stand us because of the people we never met ( or so it is assumed)and not to mention the vanity of it all or two we could do Vanilla Sky and swirl any other dull culture ( and they are legion) in the last scene as Tom Cruise descends to his splat and realize how dull the movie really would have been had it been centered in any place outside Europe, America, Canada or Australia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So what the fuck is this being antiAmerican antianything and scribbling forever scribbling over her face? Hey but what the fuck does this non-Joni content know? was that like singer or was that penis envy? who gives a damn - trala trala down the lane imitating, imitating, nope tis not Michelangelo! I, unlike those with managers and contracts, dont have to be nice about anything. And I smile as I write it! So here's to you may this boohoo be new, may you fall in love on knees that can cum, and here's to your may pornography suit you too, after all when it is said and done, prothesis is the fun and for God's sake never admit to being empty.... s ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:20:54 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: Alliterate Joni My all-time favourites: Privately probing in public rooms... Spit spun between the trees... These bloodless brides of Jesus... Wow! - -Andrew KJHSF@aol.com wrote:One of the first examples I noticed is still my favorite; "Through the tunnels, tiled and turning" Ken Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 16:24:29 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: JMDL project All I have to say is: JONI TURNS 60 THIS YEAR ... let's do something special. Let's start planning NOW. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 16:45:23 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: JMDL project > how about hormone replacement and then chippendales. I dunno... not > my idea :PPP LOL, Mags! Chippendales, huh? "Gayboys with their pants so tight" ; ) ~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:21:39 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC feminine pronouns for God NJC Doesn't offend me; I'm an atheist. Terry www.addconsults.com > I'm not religious and I don't even > know many religious people, so it's hard for me to gauge. Is it offensive? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:24:09 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Life and Times of Joni Mitchell - wow! Well, the show was spectacular - and I mean that literally as well as figuratively. The archival footage that was dug up and aired for the first time in decades was really astounding for a young 'un like me, and a lot of it was from old CBC archives, which was really great for a Canadian to see. (Did the other Canadians recognize a very young Adrian Clarkson sitting next to Joni in one of those old interviews?) Seeing Joni's virginal skin and that silken hair. I can see why so many men fell in love with her. Even though Mr. Nash was more my speed, Joni was brilliantly radiant! There wasn't much in the way of new insight into Joni's career or personality here. There was instead a lot time given to old recordings of Joni's, old CBC interviews and very, very rare home video of Joni kibbutzing with Neil Young, Graham Nash and Mama Cass. The most poignant moment came when Joni described how she had to end her relationship with Graham Nash and why she did it. Saying how she didn't want to end up like her paternal grandmother kicking the screen door off its hinges because she was so artistically frustrated, how she didn't want to end up crying behind some barn on the prairies knowing she could never afford a piano. It was very powerful. The praise that Joni receives in this documentary is amazing, from such remarkable peers, too. Basically, there was nothing new in the way of content or insight but a LOT of very rare footage and performances, rare, never-before-seen photos and home video. I'll leave you with an image of Joni running on the beach in California with a large red cape flowing out behind her - an image that figures heavily in part one of the documentary. A beautiful, freeing image...particularly with the orchestral opening of A Case of You playing from Both Sides Now. I nearly lost it! - -Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:38:00 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Where Graham and Joni met... By the way, when Graham Nash describes the hotel where he met Joni, with the gargoyles outside the window and lavish tapestries on the wall, that is the Chateau Laurier Hotel here in Ottawa, Canada - a very ritzy place where Royalty stays when they're in town. Graham and Joni met in Ottawa: Just wanted EVERYONE to know that, since it's not mentioned in the documentary but is mentioned in Karen O'Brien's bio. - --Andrew in Ottawa Yahoo! 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