From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #159 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 4 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 159 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Was: Toronto Star/Now: Fire tragedy -- NJC ["kakki" ] Re: w-word (joni content) [Dan Olson ] Re: Helplessly Hoping [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #76 [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: regulations - NJC ["kakki" ] Today in History: March 4 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: March 4 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:33:05 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Was: Toronto Star/Now: Fire tragedy -- NJC Vince wrote: > Short term, but not long term. Human nature is what it is. The worst > fire of this sort happened before Coconut Grove and what did people > learn? The Iroquois Theater Fire killed maybe 600 children and as > always, dead stacked at the exits, people trampled, etc. I think this is different in that nowadays there is so much instant, worldwide coverage of these horrific events. I'd think it would tend to make a wider range of people and lawmakers much more immedately concerned about enacting new codes and regulations to ensure safety in the future. > That is why so much car safety equipment is not mandated. Why a lot of things aren't done. > Cost. Don't want to wonder into the PC realm here ;-) but as someone who comes from probably the most regulated state in the US, it can be done. The attitude here is cost be damned which sometimes makes for good regulations and sometimes insane regulations that cut off the nose (puts entire industries out of business overnight) to spite the face. But a bar/nightclub is a relatively simple environment to put in the basic in safety measures and have normal, routine inspections for compliance. I could not believe the RI club was filled every inch with explosive materials and no sprinklers. Gawd, it is so sad. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 23:15:42 -0500 From: Doug Subject: RE: w-word (joni content) I bought my copy of Clouds when I was 12. I loved the album and played it over and over but I always skipped The Fiddle And The Drum. I didn't like a capella songs. Now when I play the CD I don't skip it, I appreciate it. I guess you could say I've seen Clouds from both sides, now. ha ha Doug ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 21:56:41 -0700 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: w-word (joni content) I think she was stung by criticism of the "in your face" lyrics, opting to be more subtle about her political commentary in later years. Dan, Drake CO, USA At 10:50 PM 3/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I bought my copy of Clouds when I was 12. I loved the album and played it >over and over but I always skipped The Fiddle And The Drum >I didn't like a capella songs. Now when I play the CD I don't skip it, I >appreciate it. > >I guess you could say I've seen Clouds from both sides, now. ha ha > >Doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 00:31:39 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Helplessly Hoping Bruce wrote > A great example of her alliterative skill is also in O&M. Watch the p and b: > > "Always the grand Parades of cellulite > Jiggling to her golden Pools > Through flock and cuPid colonnades > They jiggle into surgery > HoPefully Beneath the Blade" I have become more sensitive to Joni's obvious addiction to alliteration from my JM Song of the Day adventures. The biggest smile I have gotten from it, though, was recalling the day I taught my suitemates the 4-parts to Helplessly Hoping (Steven Stills's amusing attempt at alliteration - hey, I think I've got it !) Could that have been a case of imitation being the highest form of flattery ? I hope so - there could hardly be any other redeeming social value to HH :-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 00:37:55 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #76 Bruce also wrote > Has she ever discussed the nuts and bolts of her lyric writing? It seems to > me that for this kind of precision she must go through many re-writes. It > is > too carefully constructed to just 'happen' in one take. > > Bruce > Lucid thinking, old chap, if I did say so myself about a month or two ago. Well, that makes two of us who are onto her. Arts and crafts and all that. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:53:17 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: regulations - NJC Vince wrote: > Please forgive me not remembering to state that California is a special case. It's a case alright ;-) No need at all to ask forgiveness - rather, please say a prayer for us here that we may someday be delivered from regulation run amok! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 02:04:43 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 4 1974: Joni performed at the Dorothy Chandler Pavillion in Los Angeles. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=592 1983: Joni performed in Osaka, Japan - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 02:04:44 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 4 On March 4 the following items were published: 1971: "Joni Takes a Break" - Rolling Stone (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=296 1991: "Navigator of the Deep" - Time (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=789 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #159 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)