From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #158 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, March 3 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 158 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Hejira,,,now I get it..... er do I? NJC this time ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: Subject: What We Talk About When We Talk About Fred (apologies to raymond carver) njc [Mags N Brei ] [none] ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Joni's language [Bruce Kimerer ] Martin Simpson (SJC) [Steve Dulson ] JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters (RePosted) [simon@icu.com] Woman Of Heart And Mind ~ CBC & PBS [simon@icu.com] Quincy Jones & JONI [simon@icu.com] Joni, CBC, tomorrow at 7 pm [Little Bird ] Re: Hejira...... and others ["Rache A" ] w-word [Doug ] Re: Hejira...... and others [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: w-word (joni content) [Dan Olson ] Re: car safety- NJC [vince ] Re: JMDL project [Dflahm@aol.com] [none] ["Timothy Spong" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:06:55 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Re: Hejira,,,now I get it..... er do I? NJC this time In a message dated Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:07 PM: Walking through a blizzard for a copy of Hejira? That's nothing. I dragged my naked body across 5 miles of broken glass, dodging heavy gunfire the entire time, for MY copy!* OK the * denotes artistic licence but if you are going to get that close to quoting BOB lets have the Full THREE YORKSHIREMAN'S DIALOGUE....FROM MONTY PYTHON....tsk tsk....that drives me to post!!! he he he he Heavily edited and done from memory which does not serve me well!!! "Well we had it tough...Our Dad used to get us up half an hour before we went to bed, make us work 67 hours a day down the mine, chuck us a handful of hot gravel, washed down with a cup of Sulphuric acid and we got home they would slice us in half with the breadknife and then jump up and down on our grafves singing haleluja" "......LUXURY" Lucy - ----- Original Message ----- From> To: ""Lucy Hone"" ; ; Subject: Re: Hejira,,,now I get it..... er do I? > In a message dated 3/3/2003 5:54:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, lulu.hone@virgin.net writes: > > > I was given a "burned copy" of Hejira last year and only > > started to listen to > > the album when I joined the list...(December last year). > > There's your problem, Lucy...you have an illegal copy! The ones you buy in the store sound a lot better. ;~) > > > Bob, who just yesterday was digging Steve Carlton's stinging guitar on "Black Crow" & Chuck Domanico's stand-up bass on "Blue Motel Room". > > NP: Living Colour, "Fight The Fight" > > *writer's embellishment ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:14:47 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: What We Talk About When We Talk About Fred (apologies to raymond carver) njc add my name to the list of fred heads as i just received fred's cd & it is gorgeous! i agree that it is wonderful driving music & i've been listening to it as i drive around in the mountains here...perfect...thanks fred! >>>About a month ago ... mags and brian wrote: >Every so often, Brian and I write to Fred to tell him how much we enjoy >listening to this very CD which just happens to be our favourite dinner >music. mike pritchard wrote: >And I would say, from personal experience, that Fred's music is the ideal >accompaniment to a drive through the Swiss countryside anne sandstrom wrote: >FRED: Fred Simon's CD is not to be missed. If you don't >have it, get it. fred replied: Grateful thanks to these very wise people with impeccable taste for their kind words.<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 15:25:36 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: What We Talk About When We Talk About Fred (apologies to raymond carver) njc Thanks, Kate, for your sweet endorsement. Wish I had some mountains to drive around in right about now. Just to clarify, I think some folks are referring to my album Songs of my Youth, Vol. 1, which is solo piano and mostly covers (Joni, Beatles, Dylan, Beethoven), while you are referring to Usually/Always, which is ensemble and all original songs. And to further confuse, there are several other albums of mine floating around, too. I think, for the sake of clarity, completion, ultimate artistic satisfaction, and my daughter's college fund, everyone needs *all* of my albums. It's really the only equitable solution. Fred In a message dated 3/3/2003 3:14:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Kate Bennett" writes: >add my name to the list of fred heads as i just received fred's cd & it is >gorgeous! i agree that it is wonderful driving music & i've been listening >to it as i drive around in the mountains here...perfect...thanks fred! > >>>>About a month ago ... > >mags and brian wrote: >>Every so often, Brian and I write to Fred to tell him how much we enjoy >>listening to this very CD which just happens to be our favourite dinner >>music. > >mike pritchard wrote: >>And I would say, from personal experience, that Fred's music is the ideal >>accompaniment to a drive through the Swiss countryside > >anne sandstrom wrote: >>FRED: Fred Simon's CD is not to be missed. If you don't >>have it, get it. > >fred replied: >Grateful thanks to these very wise people with impeccable taste for their >kind words.<<< > > >******************************************** >Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com >Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs >Over the Moon- >"bringing the melancholy world of twilight >to life almost like magic" All Music Guide >******************************************** >"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful >committed citizens can change the world, >indeed it is the only thing that ever has." >Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:41:24 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Toronto Star interview/article in today's Toronto Star >>It's five o'clock on a weekday afternoon...but Joni Mitchel...is still wearing her pyjamas.<< i LOVE this, since i mostly work from home & have been known to do the same...:~} >>We're marching into war. That means we've become an imperialist power, which goes against everything America stands for. It all comes down to personal economic interest."<< not to start up this thread again but someone recently wondered what joni's opinion was & people quoted lines from her songs...anyway, i think this statement makes it pretty clear as to her opinion on current events... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:57:32 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: NJC Job application Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 06:29:23 EST From: Subject: Re: NJC job application AzeemAK@aol.com in reply to dsk11@bellatlantic.net, about the job application to Walmart... says "Well, it may or may not be genuine - let's hope it is. It certainly made me chortle. It strikes me that some of these answers are the sort you might give at an exit interview! You know, "I've never said this before, but, hey, what the f***..." My own Job application story is thus... Newly separated and being forced to find work (I was not ready at the time as I was really in a bit of a state) I had to go and sign on for the dole... This entailed going to JOB CLUB and having to send off for application forms... these I did, and all I had to supply was the proof that I was applying..... I applied for all sorts of jobs I had no qualifications for but thought "What the F*** I will do it anyway" For one job, as the Chief Executive of a large company I coloured in all the letters that had holes in them..D,B,etc., and filled out the form in silver metallic biro..... Funnily enough I did not get a reply or even an acknowledgement, but then putting the name Minnie Mouse in the application may have been enough to put them off the scent!!! On another form for the personal assistant to a Psychaitric Consultant I put in a fake name and filled the application in with wax crayon ....and then when it got to the bit that said "have you anything else you would like to tell us about your self" I drew them a lovely picture in kiddy style with my dog and the sky and some birds and my house and lovely flowers in the garden..... I would love to have been a fly on the wall as that one was opened!!!! Then I applied for the job as a booking clerk with P&O ferries and just filled it in very flatly and got an interview and the job!!!!! And now I work for a charity... do you think it was the heart felt tear stains that did it? Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:59:12 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Subject: What We Talk About When We Talk About Fred (apologies to raymond carver) njc beauteous Kate Bennett wrote: add my name to the list of fred heads as i just received fred's cd & it is gorgeous! i agree that it is wonderful driving music & i've been listening to it as i drive around in the mountains here...perfect...thanks fred! LOL I love it!!! fred heads!!! We are the proud owners of yet another fred !!! This one is Usually/Always and is wonderful and fresh tasting and filled with surprises. The biggest one was that I thought it was 'straight' piano solos like the other Fred we have. ... there are so many colours swirling on this one. Gorgeous. And Fred tells us to listen to it loud and get into the music. It works :-) Filled with energy. Fred rules!!! here's to fred heads all over the world. Mags. You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:12:56 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Keyboardist and other celebrity encounters (NJC) I don't know how I missed this post ... but I did, and so...I just want to add... Ben Taylor is a force of nature. A beautiful force of nature. I didn't realize Darice, you were as sleep deprived as you were, you hold up good, kiddo! Darice and I stood towards the back, in a space the keyboardist, Adam MacDougal's, girlfriend had saved for us. But the ambient-rude-audience-talking-noise was too much, and I moved up to the front of the stage, which was fabulous. That boy Ben has at least as much soul as his parents, and that body (!). He jumped down at one point to dance with us all. Setlist: Tonight--instumental Island Let It Grow I Am The Sun Mushroom Dance Day After Day Lady Magic--acapella song Jealus Guy--John Lennon cover Rain Safe Enough To Wake Up No More Running Away "Nothing I Can Do But Belong To You"--briliant new song Another Run Around The Sun--not sure about the title--inspired by a letter from John Forte there's a song here with the lyrics 'since you've gone away' it actually could be part of the previous song--just not sure NIGHT PEOPLE---Put this on the next CD BTB!!!! Are You Ready For Love Not Fade Away--Buddy Holly Hard Headed Woman--Taj Mahal I did go to the Sweetwater show on Sunday (much to Darice's envy) and it was another sold-out house, only this time people were more polite, though there was less room for dancing. Similar setlist, MUCH better acoustics and sound system. Plus they were more rested and more together. I had a blast hanging out with them, and must say Ben is one of the nicest humblest and grounded musicians I've ever met. If you get a chance to see him on this tour, do it! He's headlinging til April, and then opening for Dar Wiliams for a few weeks. http://www.bentaylorband.com ~Richard >Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:27:02 -0700 (MST) >From: Darice >Subject: Keyboardist and other celebrity encounters (NJC) >The Friday night, severely sleep deprived, I met listmember Richard >at the Ben Taylor Band show. >What an exceptionally entertaining evening!!!!! Richard had already >met the band by the time I arrived and (found parking!!!) >The show started LATE, 11:30pm( I had been awake for 22 hours by >then) but I was in good company as the band was equally >sleep-deprived and had already done two radio appearances after >traveling from a show in Santa Ana the night before. >The show was about 1 1/2 hours long, mostly original songs, but a >great cover of Buddy Holly's (and then the Stones) Not Fade Away and >a Taj Mahal song,as an encore. This band has depth, and a real >charisma. >I am sorry I won't be able to get to the Sweetwater on Sunday to see >them again on Sunday. >The one bummer of the evening was the very rude and loud crowd at >Cafe du Nord. This made it hard to hear Ben's intros and some of the >songs. >check out www.bentaylorband.com for other venues and dates. >Darice ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:37:35 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: "Hejira" -- Oh, I get it now . . . Now "did you get off thetrain and when did you get back on?" Debra - that was my exact experience only substitute Missouri for Massachusetts. And what a thrill it was to see the cover. I remember thinking this album must be heaven and Joni's all grown up now. And then the first listen, no words to describe it. What a thrill, thanks for the reminder. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:30:04 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: joni's words on a war from the link that Catherine told us about: >In almost every room of Mitchell's house there is a radio tuned to a different station, though none is tuned to a music station. "There has been a tremendous drop in the standards of music on the radio. It was always the fluffy stuff that got the most attention, but there used to be places where the pioneering spirit had its place. Now it's all droning mediocrity. You'd have to be on ecstasy to enjoy the direction music has gone in. I've lost interest. I don't want to be a part of it." >instead her radios are tuned to talk stations offering news flashes and political commentary, which all seem like madness to her.< >"I wander through my house trying to get a picture of what is happening to the human psyche," she says in a tone that's both perplexed and angry. "The whole thing is ridiculous  a tragic comedy. We're marching into war. That means we've become an imperialist power, which goes against everything America stands for. It all comes down to personal economic interest."< Some people on the list (myself including) were wondering about Joni's thoughts on all the talk about a war. This gives us some information about her feelings on it. By the way, I like to call it "a war." instead of, "the war." For me, it makes it more possible that it's NOT going to be. (calling it "a war") Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:31:35 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: [none] I am curious to know, How tall is Joni? Does anyone know? Marianne _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:42:03 -0500 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: Joni's language Hell wrote: "I was thinking the other day about Joni's lyrics, and how she uses phrases or words that probably wouldn't occur to other artists." Yes, I think about this alot. It's one of great joys of Joni. The unexpected word or phrase or rhyme. Like in Otis & Marlena: "Like it's her opera box All those Pagliacci summer frocks" Love that rhyme! Or, also in O&M: "The golden dive, the fatted flake". Now, I have no idea what 'fatted flake' really means. But it somehow beautifully conveys the self-indulgent vanity being discussed. And it is, of course, also an example of Joni's love of alliteration, of which, most of the time, she is a master (once in a while it gets the better of her though). A great example of her alliterative skill is also in O&M. Watch the p and b: "Always the grand Parades of cellulite Jiggling to her golden Pools Through flock and cuPid colonnades They jiggle into surgery HoPefully Beneath the Blade" The p's drive the lines until the softer p in hopefully, when the b's take over. And she is not at all a show-off with her language. I love the opening to Paprika Plains for its plain speaking so artfully put together that you can see, hear and smell the scene: "It fell from midnight skies It drummed on the galvanized In the washroom women tracked the rain Up to the makeup mirror Liquid soap and grass And Jungle Gardenia crash On Pine-Sol and beer" I mean...skies and galvanized! Love that! Has she ever discussed the nuts and bolts of her lyric writing? It seems to me that for this kind of precision she must go through many re-writes. It is too carefully constructed to just 'happen' in one take. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:39:19 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Martin Simpson (SJC) I saw the wonderful English folkie Martin Simpson last night and was blown away. I can't believe I've missed him all these years - only saw him once before, backing up June Tabor. Anyway, after finishing his first set with a furious "Masters of War" he came back after the break and said "I think you deserve some love songs now." He then talked about Joni, and about how good Travelogue is, and how dumb Rolling Stone's review of it was, all as a lead-in to playing "A Case of You". Oh, he also said that when he was growing up in Scunthorpe, he REALLY didn't want to be there - but he was able to escape every time he played a Joni song. Obviously a huge fan. He has fairly recently moved to New Orleans - watch out for him, Paz man! He followed ACOY with Anne Lister's exquisite "Icarus", which pretty much confirmed his good taste. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:15:44 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters (RePosted) Hi, recently a number of questions have been posted to the list regarding the forthcoming CBC and PBS programs. yesterday (3-2-03) i spoke with Les Irvin as well as Jim L'Hommedieu and both suggested that i try to clear up some of the questions and confusion given my (limited) participation in the production process and access to accurate information. perhaps a little background information is in order first here's a RePost of a message i sent to the JMDL last year >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To: joni@smoe.org >From: simon@icu.com >Subject: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters >Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 06:05:50 -0500 > >as some will recall, Joni signed a 3-film contract with Eagle Rock >Entertainment, PLC. back in 1997 ('96?). the first film produced >was "PAINTING WITH WORDS And MUSIC". > >originally a 'Pay Per View' broadcast in the U.S. PWWAM was >subsequently broadcast by CBC-TV (Canadian Broadcasting Company), >on commercial television in an edited form and also released on >VideoTape, LaserDisc and DVD. > > >Jim Johanson recently posted some information regarding a 3rd Film >to [THE WORD: (3/6/02)]. more about >that below. > >right now? JONI MITCHELL "BOTH SIDES NOW, And THEN" > > >the 2nd film, tentatively scheduled for U.S. broadcast in >November 2002 by PBS as part of their truly exceptional series >"AMERICAN MASTERS" will have its initial broadcast, in Canada, >on CBC-TV as part of their "LIFE And TIMES" series in *2 WEEKS* > > > Tuesday, March 26 at 7:00 pm - Joni Mitchell - Part 1 > Tuesday, April 2 at 7:00 pm - Joni Mitchell - Part 2 > > "Joni Mitchell has been called the most influential > recording artist of the late 20th century. A rare, > intimate look at a multi-award winning musician who > is as private and reflective as the lyrics for which > she is celebrated." > > >here's some information from the CBC-TV WebSite. > > > "The sweep and drama of Canadian lives take pride of place > in Life & Times. These biographies introduce us to the > struggles, the triumphs and trials of real people and their > true stories - each one a thread in the fabric of a nation, > and the times in which we live. The series shows how > individuals make history, not always through circumstances > of their own choosing. We see that we are not the first > generation to struggle with great moral issues. These are > the stories that Canadians can contribute to the great > library: the memory of the world." > > > > > >here's a little more information about the "Life And Times" >series for the benefit of our non-Canadian members. > > ABOUT THE SHOW > > The triumphs, trials and true stories of dynamic Canadians > are the focus of Life & Times, Canada's premier biography > series hosted by award-winning novelist, playwright and actor > Ann-Marie MacDonald. > > Life & Times is back for a sixth exciting season. Our line-up > includes musical stars Bruce Cockburn, JONI MITCHELL and the > Barenaked Ladies, the story of the Bata shoe empire, activist > Maude Barlow, golf legend Moe Norman and the dean of Canadian > TV journalism, our own Knowlton Nash. > > In honour of the 2002 Winter Olympics, Life & Times is > profiling several distingushed Olympic athletes, including > hockey's hottest player Mario Lemieux, the inspiring story > of curler Sandra Schmirler and figure skaters Toller Cranston > and Elizabeth Manley. > > Join us Tuesdays at 7 p.m. on CBC TV for the compelling > stories of these and other Canadians who have made an impact. > > Over the years, Life & Times has presented over 100 compelling > profiles of such extraordinary Canadians as Tommy Douglas, > Jim Carrey, Don Cherry, Mordecai Richler, Glenn Gould, the > Dionne quintuplets, Mary Walsh and Margaret Trudeau-Kemper. > > Life & Times programmes have garnered numerous awards including > four Geminis and multiple Hot Docs awards. > > Join host Ann-Marie MacDonald for intimate, hour-long > biographies which reflect the true stories of Canadians. > Each week a different story - one more thread in our > country's fabric. Together a definitive family portrait. > > > >the two 1-hour programs will Not be the Final word/version of >this new documentary. keep in mind that a 1-hour program on >'Commercial' television usually contains 42-to-44 minutes of >actual programming (per hour). > >on the other hand, the PBS/AMERICAN MASTERS version will time-out >somewhere between 52-to-55 minutes (per hour). it's not yet clear >whether the DVD Release will contain extra material (or not). > >as of this moment the 'Final' edit (for CBC-TV) is not yet complete, >although a copy of the 1st hour was sent to Joni last week for her >viewing pleasure (and approval). she'll probably get a preview of >the 2nd hour later this week. time is tight and the work continues. > >all things considered -- the March 26th broadcast deadline for the >CBC-TV broadcast was somewhat unrealistic, but will be met. the >producers' work will continue at a somewhat more relaxed pace >preparing the final PBS/DVD edition. > > >as for the film itself, the story is being told by the participants, >primarily by Joni herself, using a variety of Interviews recorded >at various times during her career. there is no narrator. > >the producers have interviewed a number of indiviauals including >Elliott Roberts, David Geffen, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Neil Young >as well as Joni's parents and JONI herself. > >(I think) they also spoke with Mr. Kratzman and i seem to recall >being told that they'd even located Ray, an old high-school friend >of Joni's. > >y'all remember Ray? don't ya?, his dad owned a Cadillac. > >the most recent interview (2 wks. ago) was with Joel Bernstein. > >Joels' participation has been crucial. he's been there as >photographer, and friend, guitar tech, witness and participant, >from the beginning. his knowledge and perception of Joni's music >and her place within the overall context of the musical and >cultural events of the times gives him a unique perspective not >shared by many. and since he viewed the other interviews first, >he was able to fill in some of the areas not addressed by others. > > >it's surprising how late in the process (12-20-01) it was before >the producers hooked up with him. nonetheless, they'd done their >homework and research very well, obtaining a variety of films, >videos, photographs (especially Joels') articles and other >memoribilia. a variety of items photographed or filmed were from >my own collection, including the "Spirit Of The Forest Video", a >rare little item that even Joel hadn't seen. > >i'm sure you'll all find it interesting. every effort is being >made to see to it that this is the definitive Video Documentary. > > > > >and now for ... > > THE WORD ~ (3/6/02) > > Entertainment Weekly published a short article this week > with a few new bits of information on Allison Anders' > videotaping of the recent recording sessions for Joni's > next CD, tentatively titled The Circle Game. > > In addition to musicians such as Herbie Hancock and Wayne > Shorter, who contributed to her last orchestral outing > Both Sides Now, we can also expect to hear Ry Cooder, > Billy Preston and possibly Neil Young, according to the > EW article. > > "Some of it is material she did as a young girl, with a > soprano voice and an acoustic guitar, now with an orchestra > and an alto," says filmmaker Anders. "It's so interesting > to hear these same songs with wisdom," she enthuses. "Not > that she wasn't wise before, but it's like 'I thought I > was on to something before, and now I know I am.'" > > Alas, one piece of important information nobody has > mentioned yet is a release date. I'll let you know as > soon as I hear anything. > > First reported in the LA Times late last year (scroll down > this page to the newsblurb from 12/4/01 for information on > that report), the CD will feature Joni performing with 77 > members of the London Symphony Orchestra -- although the EW > article sports a nostalgic picture of Joni holding an > acoustic guitar. > > ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY ARTICLE ON ALISON ANDERS' DOCUMENTARY > > >more later. > >> >> >for now ~ take care, >------- > simon >------- > > end of RePost >--------------------------------------------------------------------- it wasn't to be. citing 'Production Difficulties' the CBC cancelled the program "JONI MITCHELL: BOTH SIDES NOW, And THEN" shortly before the scheduled broadcast date. please note this phrase from the message above: > as of this moment the 'Final' edit (for CBC-TV) is not > yet complete, although a copy of the 1st hour was sent > to Joni last week for her viewing pleasure (and approval). in point of fact, an 86 Min. Broadcast Master, dated 3-22-02, was delivered to the Canadian representatives of Eagle Rock Entertainment. the (so-called) production difficulty was the fact that Joni didn't like the finished program and didn't approve of its being broadcast and that's all she wrote. having seen the program, i can attest to the fact that it was severly lacking, in a number of ways. Joni Deserved better! she'd receive it too. the contractual arrangements between Eagle Rock, Delilah Films, and PBS were somewhat convoluted but in the end the "American Masters" documentary "WOMAN OF HEART And MIND" is NOT a revision or extension of the earlier film "Both Sides Now And Again". all video elements, b-roll footage, and other research materials were transferred to the studios of WNET-TV/13 and their production efforts began in earnest early last summer. andmoreagain, - ------------- simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:42:04 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Woman Of Heart And Mind ~ CBC & PBS on Sat, 1 Mar 2003 Christopher Treacy wrote with an inquiry > PS: SO, we are now to understand that the 2 part CBC shows and > the 2hr. PBS American Masters are the same thing? OK, so > if that's the case, then where on earth is the film of > The Making of Travelogue?? Any takers?? and again on Sun, 2 Mar 2003 > So, nobody has answered my question. > I thought maybe I'd state it again. > > Jim has indicated on the site that the > CBC special and the PBS American Masters episode are one > in the same ... are we sure of this? > > Secondly, what has happened to the film about Travelogue? > > I hate to make this sound so urgent, but ya' know, over the > years I guess I've gotten used to a full out JM media circus > surrounding each release and this time we got nothing, no > Letterman, no Rosie...Joni Jonesin'. > > Later, > Chris >---------------------------------------------------------------- O.K. Chris here goes. YES! the 2-part CBC program "The Life and Times of Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart and Mind" was produced at WNET-TV/13 by the production staff of the PBS Series "American Masters" under the direction of executive producer Susan Lacy and IS (essentially) the same program that will be broadcast PBS on April 2, 2003. earlier today i spoke with Erika Frankel, Associate Producer, and learned that there's one short segment featuring "Come In From The Cold" that is not in the Canadian edit although it will be in the "American Masters" version. two seperate Broadcast Masters have been delivered to the CBC. each is 42 Min. in length and divided into 4 acts, per their broadcast requirements. each 'Act' being a seperate segment with a fade in/fade out where commercials will be inserted. and yes, that means 18 minutes of commercials per 1 hr. broadcast. the final PBS' version of "WOMAN OF HEART And MIND" version will be broadcast as 90-Minute program and runs 84 minutes without the opening/closing credits and other announcements. the final On-Line Video was 'locked' last friday and the final audio mixing is taking place this week. the DVD release will contain somewhere between 6 and 10 minutes of additional "documentary programing" although No decision has been made yet about any other additional ExtraS. meetings are scheduled tomorrow regarding the DVD release. i'm told that this could be ready and available as early as may. in all likelihood the program being offered for sale on the CBC WebSite IS the DVD release. (available May 20, 2003?) http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/ RE: the Alison Anders "TRAVELOGUE" film. it's not yet complete. therefore no viewings are currently scheduled. it's also not clear where it will eventually be shown although i expect a Video/DVD release. my understanding is that further Interview Segments will be filmed ... at Joni's request. on Sat, 01 Mar 2003 Doug wrote > According to this schedule: > http://www.pbs.org/whatson/schedulex/daily.html?date=2003-04-2 > The show is called "Chords of Inquiry" and appears to be > 90 minutes long. Doug, Yes and No. as stated above, "WOMAN OF HEART And MIND" is an 84 min. documentary film that will be broadcast within a 90 min. window. for most of last summer and fall, the 'working title' was "Busy Being Free". that's the title used on the (12-30-02) 58 min. edit screened for Joni when she stopped by the WNET-TV studios while she was in NYC to present the "Alfred Stieglitz Award for Creative Amateur Photography" to Graham Nash at an event that took place at Sotheby's Auction House on January 9th. several of us thought that title was itself a little busy. it was shortened to "Being Free" by the time of the (1-16-03) 42 min. edit prepared as Part 1 for the CBC. shortly after this, based on one of Joni's interview segments, "CHORDS OF INQUIRY" became the working title and was used on the (1-31-03) 86 min. edit i had a chance to view recently. but that didn't last long either. FWIW: two comments from the documentary JAMES TAYLOR: Joni invented everything about her music, including how to tune the guitar. from the beginning of the process of writing it, she's building the canvas as well as putting the paint on it. JONI: for years everyone said "Joni's weird chords - Joni's weird chords, and I thought "how can there be a weird chord?" chords are depictions of emotions - these chords that I was getting by twisting the knobs on the guitar until I could get these chords that I heard inside that - that suited me. they feel like my feelings. y'know? I call them, not knowing, Chords Of Inquiry. they have question mark in them." there were so many unresolved things in me that those chords suited me and y'know? and like I'd stay in unresolved emotionality for days and days ... WHAT GOES AROUND ... eventually it came back to the original title suggested by Co-Producer Joel Bernstein "WOMAN OF HEART And MIND". let me tell you folks ... You're in for a REAL TREAT. "Woman Of Heart And Mind" is a most Excellent film. it does Joni proud and she's clearly please and satisfied with the results. and THAT's no mean feat, given her current state of mind. for now ~ take care. andmoreagain, - ------------- simon ... here they come, where are they going? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:42:11 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Quincy Jones & JONI on Sun, 02 Mar 2003 David Marine wrote > Hey List -- This from the PBS site: > "Joni Mitchell performed on Quincy Jones' 1986 book/recording, > Children First." Anyone have any info on this? David, RE: "CHILDREN FIRST: a celebration of children" by Top Photographers and Recording Artists here's the text from the back cover. "A Beautiful Book and CD collaboration featuring photographs by Bruce Weber, Steven Meisel, Arthur Elgart, and more than seventy other top photographers, as well as music by Eric Clapton, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, Holly Palmer, Nu Flavor, Me'Shell Ndegeocello, and other outstanding recording artists. CHILDREN FIRST A Special package To Benefit Homes For The Homeless. the enclosed CD contains Joni's LOTC version of "For Free". here's the Forward to the book. Since its inception in 1986, 'Homes For The Homeless' has served more than 9,000 homeless families and 21,300 homeless children. The donation you have made by purchasing "CHILDREN FIRST: A CELEBRATION OF CHILDREN" will allow them to continue to develop creative strategies for battling the effects of homelessness and urban poverty on the lives of children and their families. Today there are approximately 2.3 million homeless children in America. That is unacceptable in a country that boasts of being the greatest nation on the planet. The children of our country are our future, and as we approach the twenty-first century, we can't afford to let them grow up without the skills necessary to survive in the new century. if we do, the end result will be continued growth of the homeless community. with a philosophy that education is the key to breaking the cycle of homelessness and poverty, Homes For The Homeless and the programs that they have developed are not only sucessfulin ending this horrific cycle of homelessness, but in breaking the cycle of dependcy as well. Quincy Jones hopefully this answers your question. andmoreagain, - ------------- simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:54:33 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Joni, CBC, tomorrow at 7 pm I'll be taping the show tomorrow on CBC but wonder if it's necessary to send it to the U.S. since it's the same program on PBS's "American Masters." I'll have the tape, regardless, if it's needed for dubbing. Andrea, let me know if it's needed. - -Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 19:04:24 -0500 From: "Rache A" Subject: Re: Hejira...... and others Hejira is definitely one of my favourite albums. Have you ever listened to it while travelling? Though I can't explain why really, it is particularly wonderful then. Just last summer I was listening to it travelling, and in Black Crow at "I looked out the window and I saw that ragged soul take flight" I did look out the window and a crow just flew out of a tree into the blue sky... I haven't gotten out to a music store in a while, and haven't had a chance to get the Eva Cassidy cd with Woodstock on it, and am curious how she does it. Has anyone heard it? If you haven't heard of Eva Cassidy, she's great, I would definitely reccomend buying a cd. As far as I know, she never had a record deal, but friends put together cd's of performances. i have a question about some more lyrics...when Joni covered Sugar Mountain before it was released, the verses were in a different order, too, and I'm not sure what the beginning is of this verse: "___________________________________/And you're starting down the road/And it's funny how you feel/'Cause you're findin' out it's real" what is the Girls in the Valley cd? I hadn't heard of it until I looked at the 'artist search' on msn and it was listed...without any information. Can't wait to see Woman of Heart and Mind... ciao - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 20:22:17 -0500 From: Doug Subject: w-word >From the Toronto Star interview: Instead her radios are tuned to talk stations offering news flashes and political commentary, which all seem like madness to her. "I wander through my house trying to get a picture of what is happening to the human psyche," she says in a tone that's both perplexed and angry. That would be enough to send anyone off the deep end. She should come here and talk to us, we don't talk about the w-word ( on Joni-only ). From my perspective as an outsider (Canadian), She described the situation herself perfectly well in 1968 with her lament, The Fiddle and the Drum. And so once again My dear Johnny my dear friend And so once again you are fighting' us all And when I ask you why You raise your sticks and cry, and I fall Oh, my friend How did you come To trade the fiddle for the drum You say I have turned Like the enemies you've earned But I can remember All the good things you are And so I ask you please Can I help you find the peace and the star Oh, my friend What time is this To trade the handshake for the fist And so once again Oh, America my friend And so once again You are fighting us all And when we ask you why You raise your sticks and cry and we fall Oh, my friend How did you come To trade the fiddle for the drum You say we have turned Like the enemies you've earned But we can remember All the good things you are And so we ask you please Can we help you find the peace and the star Oh my friend We have all come To fear the beating of your drum Joni Mitchell 1968 If anyone has personal opinions on the w-word please use NJC. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:25:10 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira...... and others In a message dated 3/3/2003 7:05:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, posall@hotmail.com writes: > Have you ever listened > to it while travelling? Though I can't explain why really, it is > particularly wonderful then. Yes, it's pretty wonderful anytime, but when she kicks it off with a classic 'road song' like Coyote, peppered with her singing, "on the freeee-freeeee-way..." it makes for a perfect traveling companion. > I haven't gotten out to a music store in a while, and haven't had a > chance to get the Eva Cassidy cd with Woodstock on it, and am curious how > she does it. Has anyone heard it? Yes, many of us have. I don't think Eva was capable of mishandling a song, and she turns in one of the prettiest Woodstocks ever done. > what is the Girls in the Valley cd? > It's just a re-shuffling of Ladies Of The Canyon, released in Europe and sold in North America as an "import". It also features the freakish "Joni as Mr. Peanut" caricature cover. Bob NP: Joni, "The Way It Is" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 19:48:40 -0700 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: w-word (joni content) This most unusual Joni Mitchell song is unique in that any of us can sing it to ourselves (in the proper tempo), and it sounds perfect, because it is supposed to be sung unaccompanied. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to read (sing to ourselves) and feel the power of these timely lyrics. Dig the key change for the third and fourth verse. At 08:22 PM 3/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >From my perspective as an outsider (Canadian), She described the > situation herself >perfectly well in 1968 with her lament, The Fiddle and the Drum. > > And so once again > My dear Johnny my > dear friend > And so once again > you are fighting' us all > And when I ask you why > You raise your > sticks and cry, and I fall > Oh, my friend > How did you come > To trade the fiddle > for the drum > > You say I have turned > Like the enemies > you've earned > But I can remember > All the good things > you are > And so I ask you please > Can I help you find > the peace and the star > Oh, my friend > What time is this > To trade the > handshake for the fist > > And so once again > Oh, America my friend > And so once again > You are fighting us all > And when we ask you why > You raise your > sticks and cry and we fall > Oh, my friend > How did you come > To trade the fiddle > for the drum > > You say we have turned > Like the enemies > you've earned > But we can remember > All the good things > you are > And so we ask you please > Can we help you find > the peace and the star > Oh my friend > We have all come > To fear the beating > of your drum > > Joni Mitchell 1968 > >If anyone has personal opinions on the w-word please use NJC. > >Doug ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 22:32:23 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: car safety- NJC kakki wrote: > > >as someone who comes >from probably the most regulated state in the US, it can be done. The >attitude here is cost be damned which sometimes makes for good regulations >and sometimes insane regulations that cut off the nose (puts entire >industries out of business overnight) to spite the face. > Always a problem with any regulation and when I posted I failed to consider the special circumstances of California. Your state is unique in these regards. Please forgive me not remembering to state that California is a special case. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:41:31 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL project We could consider a group contribution in her name to a worthy cause. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 04:07:43 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: [none] Michael O'Malley wrote (in part) In the Satuday Globe and Mail (Canada's National Newspaper, which I read religiously every Saturday morn) there was a great little bit about k.d. Lang's desert island discs, as noted recently in Downbeat Magazine. Downbeat asked the 41-year-old native of Consort, Alberta to name the five recordings she would need lf stranded on the proverbial desert island. Bobs take note: Her choices: Hejira by Joni Mitchell (yeah!); Latin a la Love, by Peggy Lee; Season of Glass by Yoko Ono (not for the faint of heart); the songs Let's Get Lost and Lush Life, as performed, respectively, by Chet Baker and Johnny Hartman with J. Coltrane, and Warm Valley or Blood Count by long-time Ellington saxophonist, Johnnny Hodges. Ya got to give her credit, this lady's got taste, eh! The same day I read this, I read on the Joan Baez list-service digest -- I've had several days' backlog of JB and JM list digests to read -- a post containing the full text of a magazine or newspaper article, an interview with Ms. Baez where she names Joni's "Turbulent Indigo" (describing it as "so beautiful") and a Leonard Cohen album (which I can't now identify; that digest has been deleted from my account) as two for her desert-island collection. And to sort of close the loop, new JMDL member Emiliano (!Bienvenido! Bemvindo! Bienvenu! Benevenuto!) signs off one of his posts with NP: Silver Dagger -- Joan Baez. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #158 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)