From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #157 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, March 3 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 157 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Spot the typographical error [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Great music, great lyrics - NJC ["hell" ] RE: Hejira,,,now I get it..... er do I? ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: BR-UU-UCE njc on CBS 9:00 [Catherine McKay ] Re: Subject: Spotting a Joni fan at 50 paces ["Lucy Hone" ] falling off train [Dave Cuneo ] Re: State Mottos, njc [vince ] Re: Quincy Jones and Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: BR-UU-UCE njc on CBS 9:00 [Jeff Koko ] Was: Toronto Star/Now: Fire tragedy -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Rich people's problems [Doug ] Re: Was: Toronto Star/Now: Fire tragedy -- NJC [vince ] Re: Was: Toronto Star/Now: Fire tragedy -- NJC [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: falling off train [Gerald Notaro ] Cant wait to see the Masters Series ["Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: Re: Spot the typographical error Well, I'm not sure about any typos, but a factual error screams at me... that her most recent album is BSN? Has the CBC missed Travelogue??? jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote:See if you can spot the typo. The CBC said, >>>>> "Joni Mitchell, A Woman of Heart and Mind" covers her work from her earliest albums, Songs to a Seagull, Blue, Court and Spark to Turbulent Indigo, which won a Grammy for Best Pop Album in 1996, to her most recent album Both Sides Now, which she recorded with the London Symphony Orchestra. >>>>> Lama - --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:53:42 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Previews of "A Woman of Heart and Mind: The Life and Times of Joni Mitchell " Jim wrote: > The CBC has posted 3 previews of Tuesday's special, >"A Woman of Heart and Mind: The Life and Times of Joni > Mitchell", part one. > > Here's one link no one will complain about.... > http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/mitchell.html > > After you see the previews, come back and we'll discuss...... > after all, this list is for discussion of the life and times of > Joni Mitchell, eh? Wow, thanks Jim, these were great! As I can't access jonimitchell.com (and haven't been able to for about a year) these were VERY welcome! Are they the same ones as on jm.com? If so, I can feel better about not having missed anything ;o). I will get to see the special, as "someone" is taping it for me to see in July, but it's certainly nice to see a glimpse of it before-hand. Hell P.S. I definitely don't mind links if people explain what they are, but I hate those posts with a link that have no explanation of what it's about! ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:01:57 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Previews of "A Woman of Heart and Mind: The Life and Times of Joni Mitchell " Having seen the previews again and again, I'm struck by the photos and the quality of the footage. They are amazing!!!! I wish that CBC would export this show to the UK or at least have it on DVD! You North Americans are SOOOOOO lucky! Much Joni Jamie Zubairi jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote:The CBC has posted 3 previews of Tuesday's special, "A Woman of Heart and Mind: The Life and Times of Joni Mitchell", part one. Here's one link no one will complain about.... http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/mitchell.html After you see the previews, come back and we'll discuss...... after all, this list is for discussion of the life and times of Joni Mitchell, eh? :) Lama - --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:05:47 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Joni and Lauryn/Comparative Songwriting/State of the List David wrote: > Therein lies the difference between the genius of Joni and other songwriters. > They each are using the same metaphor but with just 5 extra words Joni's is > vastly more complex and descriptive. I'm a little behind on emails this week, but I love all the Joni content! I was thinking the other day about Joni's lyrics, and how she uses phrases or words that probably wouldn't occur to other artists. And I don't think it's a case of "look at what a big vocabulary I have", it's just that she's more descriptive, and more adventurous with her lyrics. What other songwriter would think to use the word "keloid" in a song, instead of "scar" (Talk To Me)? Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:12:25 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Toronto Star interview Victor wrote: > "Now it's all droning mediocrity. You'd have to be on ecstasy to enjoy the > direction music has gone in. I've lost interest. I don't want to be a part > of it." J. Mitchell > > This line cracks me up...but to some degree I think its true, as least as > far as radio goes- in Atlanta anyway. I'd be curious to know what new > music Joni has listened to and what she thinks is any good. The cynical part of me wonders if maybe Joni's just getting old?! It sounds like the sort of thing my mother would say! Seriously, as we all know, there IS good music out there, but for some reason it's just not getting the air-play it deserves, or it doesn't fit the "formula" that the record companies think is the winning one. It's an old argument, I know, and it's been discussed here a million times! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:59:33 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Great music, great lyrics - NJC After posting about the state of the music getting air-play these days, and the strength and beauty of Joni's lyrics, I thought it would be interesting to see some examples of artists who we think "should" be more widely known. I've got to know artists here that I would never have otherwise known about, for example, Jonatha Brooke, Willy Porter, Ani Difranco (although those last two might be the influence of one particular lister)! So who are some "unknown" artists, that we should know about? I'll start the ball rolling, by putting in a big plug for Dave Dobbyn, a NZ singer-songwriter. He's very well known here, and has had a number of "hits" but I think he deserves a much wider audience. Some of my favourite Dave Dobbyn lyrics include: From "Language": When my tongue won't move, you have it tied with your heartstrings From "Just Add Water": You're walking in unarmed you know you're bound to fail, where the price of freedom is to want for nothing more From "Beside You": This is for you standing up to a bone-chilling wind, this is for the failures you collected from my sin, this is for your lonesome tears I never dried, this is for you hanging in in the hope that it never dies Another of my favourite NZ artists is Shona Laing, but there are too many good lyrics to choose from! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:54:05 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: RE: Hejira,,,now I get it..... er do I? OH Lori, you and your poor cold toes in that blizzard going to buy Hejira... you wonderful obsessive.... Dare I admit this? IS IT TIME FOR ME TO MAKE A REVELATION.....Oh will I be de-listed..WILLL MY FRIENDS NEVER MAIL ME AGAIN?. AS I FACE MY NEMESIS I SALUTE YOU AND THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ALLOWED ME THIS BRIEF TIME OF HAPPY TOGETHERNESS..... Me and Hejira... the album.... I was given a "burned copy" of Hejira last year and only started to listen to the album when I joined the list...(December last year). The words to the songs (those that I have read) on Hejira are wonderful... but musically it does not do a lot for me. All that fretless bass wobbling about... I have tried listening to it as background music, listening to it in total concentration, listening to it in the bath, listening to it in the car.. Believe you me I am trying here. AM I TRYING TOO HARD? I don't know what it is. I mean, MIngus (first heard by me in 2000) as an album is challenging, but I don't find myself wincing at the music...well not as much as I do in Hejira.(with AMelia as the exception).. and maybe its a thing I have about "being sure I am not being IN to jazz"..and for me the freeform feel of some of the Hejira songs makes them slide off me..... but the words I have read are wonderful and poetic........ so I don't lose out really, just makes it hard to listen....... May I say, however that I LOVE the recording of Hejira (and Amelia) on Travelogue. Maybe its because of the maturity of her voice and I can hear her voice so much better.... and get the rhythm of the vehicle in which she is travelling.... Maybe it IS easier listening and more accessible. I also liked BSN..(I am really in trouble now arn't I) .. Perhaps its just that I bought nothing of Jonis after HOSL.... and only came back to her ... in 1999/2000 .and I still do not hve tons of her music...... Maybe being a later returner gives me a looser perspective, and makes me less of a purist. It neither makes me better or worse than anyone else. It would be interesting for me to know if those who like T'Log are late returners, or able to demonstrate their fidelity to Joni with having bought, at the time it was issued, every single album she has produced. T'log is as far from C&S and Blue as you could hope to get, but I really do like it..... Hejira? well I have a long drive up to a school this afternoon and its my aural project still so...who knows..today may be the day "I GET HEJIRA" maybe not..... Lucy (Who hopes she will not be de-listed for such heresy) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:06:36 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Subject: Spotting a Joni fan at 50 paces Oh Debs yes ...........I have spotted one at 50 paces and she and I are best buddies.... Helen joined Barnardos at the same time and we were on the same region. She, like me had an unusul ear piercing, wore the same colours, laughed at the same things, ended up raising eyebrows at the same time and generally getting on like a house on fire. At the end of the day we walked out to our cars (we had parked next to each other unknowingly) and stood talking. I opened my car door and turned on the engine and my tape deck lept in to life with C&S blaring out.... Her jaw dropped and she said "hang on... you won't belive this" she also fired up her engine and C&S blared out too....... How weird was that? She has left BArnardo's but we are in regular contact. Joni people are just soooo nice arn't they....... unless I now find myself de-listed for the admitting I don't (musically) "get" most of Hejira..... Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 06:29:23 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC job application In a message dated 03/03/2003 03:49:03 GMT Standard Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: << This is (supposedly) an actual job application that a 17-year old boy submitted to Wal-Mart in Florida. I'm tempted to use some of these answers myself sometime. (For non-U.S. listers, Wal-mart stores do not pay their employees well, to put it gingerly.) [snip] DESIRED SALARY: $185,000 a year plus stock options and a Michael Ovitz style severance package. If that's not possible, make an offer and we can haggle. >> Well, it may or may not be genuine - let's hope it is. It certainly made me chortle. It strikes me that some of these answers are the sort you might give at an exit interview! You know, "I've never said this before, but, hey, what the f***..." Azeem in London, just been alerted to a Christine Collister tour - and she's not playing any shows in London!! I'll actually have to venture out to "the provinces"... NP: Tony Moore - Face in the Window ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 06:37:13 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Spotting a Joni fan at 50 paces In a message dated 03/03/2003 11:05:53 GMT Standard Time, lulu.hone@virgin.net writes: << Joni people are just soooo nice arn't they....... unless I now find myself de-listed for the admitting I don't (musically) "get" most of Hejira..... >> Ah, it's been nice knowing you Lucy - and it's a shame, as it's not your fault nobody told you about the "Zero Tolerance For Any Who Gainsay The Mystery and Magic Of Hejira" rule... [sorry about the language, I've been watching Fellowship of the Ring] Still, you'll have your memories of what a nice place the list was, eh?? ;-) Azeem in London NP: Tony Moore - Here Come The Waves (jeez, what a great song, maybe those who've been to the Kashmir Klub will know it...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 06:58:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Spot the typographical error --- jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > See if you can spot the typo. The CBC said, > >>>>> > "Joni Mitchell, A Woman of Heart and Mind" covers > her work from her earliest albums, Songs to a > Seagull, Only one song to a seagull. Did you mention anything about a prize? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 06:59:49 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: BR-UU-UCE njc on CBS 9:00 --- Jeff Koko wrote: > I missed it .. I fell asleep. > But I'll be there live and in person come July!! > Bruuuuuuuuuce! > > BTW, I'm new here. Kind of odd that the first post > I make is a not > only an NJC, but on a completely different artist. > That means you fit right in. Welcome to the club, Jeff. (I've been known to fall asleep watching TV too.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:17:50 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Re: Subject: Spotting a Joni fan at 50 paces Sorry Azeem? , who are you?...did I once know you? Am I now to wonder through lands of waste and want after having laid open my black and soul-less heart about not getting Hejira....(musically anyway) Azeem? who he? wrote.... "Ah, it's been nice knowing you Lucy - and it's a shame, as it's not your fault nobody told you about the "Zero Tolerance For Any Who Gainsay The Mystery and Magic Of Hejira" rule... [sorry about the language, I've been watching Fellowship of the Ring] Still, you'll have your memories of what a nice place the list was, eh??" Oh such memories.... or was it all some dream? Joni who? never heard of her............ but then "I am on a lonely road and I am travelling" after all Lucy..that one from England who once loved you all so well........ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:33:38 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Hejira,,,now I get it..... er do I? --- Lucy Hone wrote: > Dare I admit this? IS IT TIME FOR ME TO MAKE A > REVELATION.....Oh will I be > de-listed..WILLL MY FRIENDS NEVER MAIL ME AGAIN?. AS > I FACE MY NEMESIS I > SALUTE YOU AND THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ALLOWED ME > THIS BRIEF TIME OF HAPPY > TOGETHERNESS..... > > Me and Hejira... the album.... > > I was given a "burned copy" of Hejira last year and > only started to listen to > the album when I joined the list...(December last > year). > > The words to the songs (those that I have read) on > Hejira are wonderful... but > musically it does not do a lot for me. All that > fretless bass wobbling > about... Just my opinion but maybe you ARE trying too hard. Hejira isn't one of my favourites either, but I think you have to be in the right frame of mind to listen to it and you have to make time to hear the whole thing. (You don't have to, but it helps.) Hejira isn't something you can listen to as background music, nor is it something you should think too much about while listening. You have to let it sneak up on you. It's meditation music, but not meditation of the passive kind. You have to be in a particular state of mind. I don't think I'm doing a very good job of explaining this - it's something I call "slipping sideways". It's the thing that happens when you go into a sort of trancelike state while still awake. It's what happens when you're writing and the writing takes over; or when you're doing something like running or bicycling and you go into that "zone" thing. I suggest you put it aside for a while and then try it again later. Ideally you should play it without letting yourself know you're going to (?!) - that's a bit of a challenge. Do it spur of the moment - don't plan it too much ahead. (Really not looking forward to going out today as we've been plunged back into the deep freeze today after being teased with above freezing temps yesterday. Could be a good Hejira-listening day though.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 07:50:25 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Previews of "A Woman of Heart and Mind: The Life and Times of Joni Mitchell " In a message dated 3/2/2003 11:34:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > Here's one link no one will complain about.... > http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/mitchell.html Certainly no complaints from this SCJoniguy, Jim...thanks! Besides the clips there's some nice pictures too. Bob NP: Living Colour, "Type" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 08:01:34 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BR-UU-UCE njc on CBS 9:00 In a message dated 3/3/2003 2:25:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, jkokosinski@yahoo.com writes: > Kind of odd that the first post I make is a not > only an NJC, but on a completely different artist. Not a prob, Jeff...we're all "kind of odd" here. I'm sure the Bruce show will show up on a VHS tape near you. I saw the show, it was great and brought back a lot of memories of last December when I saw Bruce & co. in Columbia, SC. Welcome to the list - anyone who digs the Boss is A-OK with me. Bob NP: Living Colour, "Information Overload" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 08:07:59 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira,,,now I get it..... er do I? In a message dated 3/3/2003 5:54:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, lulu.hone@virgin.net writes: > I was given a "burned copy" of Hejira last year and only > started to listen to > the album when I joined the list...(December last year). There's your problem, Lucy...you have an illegal copy! The ones you buy in the store sound a lot better. ;~) Walking through a blizzard for a copy of Hejira? That's nothing. I dragged my naked body across 5 miles of broken glass, dodging heavy gunfire the entire time, for MY copy!* Bob, who just yesterday was digging Steve Carlton's stinging guitar on "Black Crow" & Chuck Domanico's stand-up bass on "Blue Motel Room". NP: Living Colour, "Fight The Fight" *writer's embellishment ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:09:06 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: BR-UU-UCE njc on CBS 9:00 In a message dated 3/3/03 8:01:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy writes: > I saw the show, it was great and brought back a lot of memories of last > December when I saw Bruce & co. in Columbia, SC. > > And he was in the pit Jeff!!!!! lucky man, that Bob I'm putting my makeup on & fixing my hair real pretty, cause Friday I'm going to Atlantic City!!! wooo hoooo!!!! A bloodbrother came over yesterday and gave me a spare ticket just in case my band tix don't happen. rosie, praying he plays Rosalita Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 14:29:50 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: NRH... and Mingus Many thanks, Catherine, Susan, Debra & Bob for your kind welcome! It's true that Mingus was really hard for me at its release date, but I'm enjoying right now, although I don't listen to it very much since I don't have it on CD and the old records (vinyl) player is something I don't use too often with kids around the house and so and so... I don't own NRH: since I lost the chance at its moment, I don't find it anymore (doing a search in maybe the best web spanish trader site only 6 references founded: no NRH) : I only know that beautiful and cheerful "Come in from the cold" from the Hits album (by the way, never seen Misses on stores). Since TI, I went looking for CD releases of Joni to replace my old'n scratchy vinyls, and I bought (along with TT, BSN and Travelogue) Hejira, C&S, DED, LOTC (hope I'll find everything at some time)... and Blue, wich is my favourite album of all: When I was a teenager I prefered Hejira: that wonderful bass!, the energy of Coyote (I remember seeing The Last Waltz the day of my 18 birthday: teather full of slighty hippies from La Coruqa)... and that wonderful, hypnotic "Amelia". My fond for Hejira has not decreased, but at my forties Blue is really THE album for me: great, great songs reduced to the minimum: I really value the fact of its brevity, the nakedness of arrangments... and I cry of joy everytime she sings "I wish I had a river..." I also got a bootleg (edited by Fabbri editore in Italy!) which lists: - -That song about the midway - -The gallery - -The priest - -Carey - -Willie - -For free (these six are from London, 1973) - -Circle game (London, 1970) - -Mr. Tambourine man (San Francisco, 1973) - -A case of you - -Both sides now - -Urge for going (Los Angeles, 1972) Regarding that "the life & times of Joni MItchell: a woman of heart & mind": well, my VCR doesn't have NTSC playback, only PAL (european), mode, although there are some electronic houses that do the trasference, so I should be glad if I get it. As for Cesaria Evora (there are transcript problems with the jots and signs over tle letter n as in La Coruna), she is a internationally acclaimed singer of Cabo Verde (go grab your Atlas!): is very known in my country, and in France they really rave at her, even comparing with Billy Holliday's voice :o). Miss perfumado... here are the lyrics: "let me die dreaming at the shadow of sorrow look of a little gentle girl with a perfumed body if the dove is happy in her nest I am too at the shadow of look and tenderness of Miss Perfumado" Rough translation from portuguese: my english is poor since I didn't study it (did french at school): I learned you language from Joni, Simon & Grafunkel, Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan... and Elton John too. Nice to meet you! NP: Joan Baez: Silver dagger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:15:48 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: State Mottos, njc I didn't get all of them, but I'm sure you guys will. Disclaimer: I = don't mean to offend anyone here (Paris-New York, same thing). Laurent State mottos Alabama: Hell Yes, We Have Electricity Alaska: 11,623 Eskimos Can't Be Wrong! Arizona: But It's A Dry Heat Arkansas: Literacy Ain't Everything California: By 30, Our Women Have More Plastic Than Your Honda Colorado: If You Don't Ski, Don't Bother Connecticut: Like Massachusetts, Only The Kennedy's Don't Own It-Yet Delaware: We Really Do Like The Chemicals In Our Water Florida: Ask Us About Our Grandkids Georgia: We Put The "Fun" In Fundamentalist Extremism Hawaii: Haka Tiki Mou Sha'ami Leeki Toru (Death To Mainland Scum, But Leave Your Money) Idaho: More Than Just Potatoes ... Well Okay We're Not, But The Potatoes Sure Are Real Good Illinois: Please Don't Pronounce the "S" Indiana: 2 Billion Years Tidal Wave Free Iowa: We Do Amazing Things With Corn Kansas: First Of The Rectangle States Kentucky: Five Million People; Fifteen Last Names Louisiana: We're Not ALL Drunk Cajun Wackos, But That's Our Tourism Campaign Maine: We're Really Cold, But We Have Cheap Lobster Maryland: If You Can Dream It, We Can Tax It Massachusetts: Our taxes are less Than Sweden's (For Most Tax Brackets) Michigan: First Line Of Defense From The Canadians Minnesota: 10,000 Lakes... And 10,000,000,000,000 Mosquitoes Mississippi: Come And Feel Better About Your Own State Missouri: Your Federal Flood Relief Tax Dollars At Work Montana: Land Of The Big Sky, The Unabomber, Right-wing Crazies, And Very Little Else Nebraska: Ask About Our State Motto Contest Nevada: Hookers and Poker! New Hampshire: Go Away And Leave Us Alone New Jersey: You Want A ##$%##! Motto? I Got Yer ##$%##! Motto Right Here! New Mexico: Lizards Make Excellent pets New York: You Have The Right To Remain Silent, You Have The Right To An Attorney ... North Carolina: Tobacco Is A Vegetable North Dakota: We Really Are One Of The 50 States! Ohio: At Least We're Not Michigan Oklahoma: Like The Play, Only No Singing Oregon: Spotted Owl... It's What's For Dinner Pennsylvania: Cook With Coal Rhode Island: We're Not REALLY An Island South Carolina: Remember The Civil War? We Didn't Actually Surrender South Dakota: Closer Than North Dakota Tennessee: The Educashun State Texas: Si' Hablo Ing'les (Yes, I Speak English) Utah: Our Jesus Is Better Than Your Jesus Vermont: Yep Virginia: Who Says Government Stiffs And Slackjaw Yokels Don't Mix? Washington: Help! We're Overrun By Nerds And Slackers! Washington, D.C.: Wanna Be Mayor? West Virginia: One Big Happy Family... Really! Wisconsin: Come Cut The Cheese Wyoming: Where Men Are Men ... and the sheep are scared In a message dated 03/01/2003 8:37:13 AM US Mountain Standard Time, aporcelli@nc.rr.com writes: Subject: State Mottos (Love the last one) State mottos Alabama: Hell Yes, We Have Electricity Alaska: 11,623 Eskimos Can't Be Wrong! Arizona: But It's A Dry Heat Arkansas: Literacy Ain't Everything California: By 30, Our Women Have More Plastic Than Your Honda Colorado: If You Don't Ski, Don't Bother Connecticut: Like Massachusetts, Only The Kennedy's Don't Own It-Yet Delaware: We Really Do Like The Chemicals In Our Water Florida: Ask Us About Our Grandkids Georgia: We Put The "Fun" In Fundamentalist Extremism Hawaii: Haka Tiki Mou Sha'ami Leeki Toru (Death To Mainland Scum, But Leave Your Money) Idaho: More Than Just Potatoes ... Well Okay We're Not, But The Potatoes Sure Are Real Good Illinois: Please Don't Pronounce the "S" Indiana: 2 Billion Years Tidal Wave Free Iowa: We Do Amazing Things With Corn Kansas: First Of The Rectangle States Kentucky: Five Million People; Fifteen Last Names Louisiana: We're Not ALL Drunk Cajun Wackos, But That's Our Tourism Campaign Maine: We're Really Cold, But We Have Cheap Lobster Maryland: If You Can Dream It, We Can Tax It Massachusetts: Our taxes are less Than Sweden's (For Most Tax Brackets) Michigan: First Line Of Defense From The Canadians Minnesota: 10,000 Lakes... And 10,000,000,000,000 Mosquitoes Mississippi: Come And Feel Better About Your Own State Missouri: Your Federal Flood Relief Tax Dollars At Work Montana: Land Of The Big Sky, The Unabomber, Right-wing Crazies, And Very Little Else Nebraska: Ask About Our State Motto Contest Nevada: Hookers and Poker! New Hampshire: Go Away And Leave Us Alone New Jersey: You Want A ##$%##! Motto? I Got Yer ##$%##! Motto Right Here! New Mexico: Lizards Make Excellent pets New York: You Have The Right To Remain Silent, You Have The Right To An Attorney ... North Carolina: Tobacco Is A Vegetable North Dakota: We Really Are One Of The 50 States! Ohio: At Least We're Not Michigan Oklahoma: Like The Play, Only No Singing Oregon: Spotted Owl... It's What's For Dinner Pennsylvania: Cook With Coal Rhode Island: We're Not REALLY An Island South Carolina: Remember The Civil War? We Didn't Actually Surrender South Dakota: Closer Than North Dakota Tennessee: The Educashun State Texas: Si' Hablo Ing'les (Yes, I Speak English) Utah: Our Jesus Is Better Than Your Jesus Vermont: Yep Virginia: Who Says Government Stiffs And Slackjaw Yokels Don't Mix? Washington: Help! We're Overrun By Nerds And Slackers! Washington, D.C.: Wanna Be Mayor? West Virginia: One Big Happy Family... Really! Wisconsin: Come Cut The Cheese Wyoming: Where Men Are Men ... and the sheep are scared ____________________________________________________ [IMAGE] IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of pic13059.pcx] [TABLE NOT SHOWN]____________________________________________________ [IMAGE] IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of mime001.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:15:26 -0500 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: falling off train Ciao Joniphiles, "Has this happened to you? Have you ever grown to love any of Joni's work many years after it was released? Am I going to be put in the JMDL slow class for admitting this? " I think this is quite a common experience among the joniphiles. I was disappointed starting with HOSL in Dec 1975 although I kept buying the albums as they were released. I was disgusted thoroughly with "Mingus" :~) and just stopped buying. Just listening to the old stuff. It was not really until the late 80's and early 90's I began to go back and buy things lkike DED, WTRF, CMIARS, etc. They were nothing at all like the tepid reviews they had been given! :~) I still do not have a copy of DJRD, Mingus, or Shadows and Light (too much from Mingus on there). I love HOSL now, think three songs from Hejira are Joni at her peak ("Refuge of the Roads", "Hejira" and "Sharon"), like DED a lot ( I surprised by the rejection of this album by many Joniphiles :~) ), like not love WTRF, and think CMIARS contains two of her absolute most brilliant songs in "One" and "Beat of Black Wings". Ciao, dave. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:22:19 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: State Mottos, njc Laurent Olszer wrote: Michigan: First Line Of Defense From The Canadians Michigan replies: And after Michigan whipped the Canucks in the War of 1812, the US has been safe from marauding armies of invading Canadians. Note Michigan checked and approved of and allowed in Joni Mitchell, since we use Detroit as our point of entry and clearance. She passed the test. We of Michigan accept your grateful thanks. Vince Montcalm County, Michigan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:33:36 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Quincy Jones and Joni In a message dated 3/3/2003 1:59:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, davidmarine@mindspring.com writes: > "Joni Mitchell performed on Quincy Jones' 1986 > book/recording, Children > First." This book/cd combo is a staple on E-Bay...not sure what Joni's contribution is, my guess would be "Circle Game". I checked the usual sources and couldn't find the detail. Why don't you go ahead & buy it, and then you can fill us in? :~) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2511930060&category=307 Bob NP: Nils Lofgren, "Cry Tough" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 06:50:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Koko Subject: Re: BR-UU-UCE njc on CBS 9:00 Rosalita? You know what he says ... "only in Asbury Park" for that one. The pit? Sweet. Best seats I had were 8/11/99 3rd row dead center ... stage rush and all. Narrowly missed a high five from the big man himself. - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/3/03 8:01:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy > writes: > > > > I saw the show, it was great and brought back a lot of memories of > last > > December when I saw Bruce & co. in Columbia, SC. > > > > > > And he was in the pit Jeff!!!!! > lucky man, that Bob > I'm putting my makeup on & fixing my hair real pretty, cause Friday > I'm going > to Atlantic City!!! wooo hoooo!!!! A bloodbrother came over yesterday > and > gave me a spare ticket just in case my band tix don't happen. > > rosie, > praying he plays Rosalita > > Better ask questions before you shoot > Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit > It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. > That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away > > Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way > Through this lonesome day ===== Trade list: http://db.etree.org/koko "I DO know what my songs are about. Oh, some are about four minutes; some are about five. And some, believe it or not, are about eleven or twelve." -- Bob Dylan Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:29:54 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Was: Toronto Star/Now: Fire tragedy -- NJC I wrote: << Or you need some kind of distraction to get you excited, such as the pyrotechnics set off by the band Great White in Rhode Island >> Then Kakki responded: << I wanted to say something but it's hard. It is so unspeakably horrible and unprintable as to what I feel about that band. The only thing good that will come out of it will be future laws and awareness for something like this to hopefully never happen again. >> Me again: Before I say anything, let me begin by shouting this: CHECK OUT THE EXIT SIGNS WHENEVER YOU GO TO ANY CLUB, RESTAURANT OR MUSIC VENUE! It only takes a couple of seconds to scan the perimeters for signs. In the event of a fire, you could save your own life and help others get out alive. Apparently, most, if not all, of the people involved in this tragedy panicked and tried to get out through the main entrance, rather than using the three or four fire doors in the club. Here's a brief synopsis of the story of the fire at The Station nightclub in West Warwick, Rhode Island that has claimed just under 100 lives so far, with scores more in hospitals throughout the region: The club is owned by two brothers named Derdarian. One of the brothers, Jeff, is very well known because he had been a TV reporter in Providence and then at the NBC affiliate in Boston. In fact, he had just left his post in Boston for his new job at the club a few weeks before the fire. A "legal expert" for the local CBS news affiliate said on last night's broadcast that this tragedy is the result of a confluence of many factors that all came together on that fateful night. For example, the band's pyrotechnics guy was unlicensed. The club's interior walls and ceiling were covered in a non-flame retardant foam (which is less expensive than the fireproof kind) to help reduce noise levels that had been a source of complaints from neighbors. There was no sprinkler system (which would have cost about $20,000). And the place had let in more people than the legal limit allows that night. This story has, of course, dominated local news since the fire happened about a week and a half ago. Even if the club owners, the foam insulation company, the town of West Warwick and the band Great White are all found to be at fault in this, there will never be enough insurance coverage to adequately compensate for the loss of life and all the injuries. You're right, Kakki, the only good thing that will come of this is the awareness it is bringing to fire safety issues. Already two nightclubs in Boston have been closed temporarily for fire code violations. I hope this trend spreads throughout the US and the world. It often takes tragedy on a grand scale like this to make changes, so maybe that's the best we can hope for. But I guess, as humans, we need to be reminded about stuff like this over and over again. After all, one of the worst fire catastrophes in US history -- the Coconut Grove fire -- occurred in 1942 right here in Boston. That tragedy claimed more than 400 lives . . . but it happened so long ago, it's all but forgotten. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 11:50:06 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Rich people's problems >From the Toronto Star Interview: She had already been written off as has-been a decade ago when she quipped: "Now I have rich people's problems, and you can't make songs out of rich people's problems." Years ago, Martin Mull recorded a song called "The Rich Man's Blues" It went something like: Woke up this afternoon, saw both cars were gone Woke up this afternoon, laudy mama, saw both cars were gone I felt so low down I threw my drink across the lawn So you see Joni, rich people can write songs too. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 12:06:01 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Was: Toronto Star/Now: Fire tragedy -- NJC Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >You're right, Kakki, the only good thing that will come of this is the >awareness it is bringing to fire safety issues. > Short term, but not long term. Human nature is what it is. The worst fire of this sort happened before Coconut Grove and what did people learn? The Iroquois Theater Fire killed maybe 600 children and as always, dead stacked at the exits, people trampled, etc. Just like the Chicago nightclub fire that killed, what, 21 just a few days before the RI fire? Did the Chicago fire the week earlier make anyone wake up? As long as there is a cheaper way to do it, it will be done. And people's safety will be jeopardized. Human nature. That is why so much car safety equipment is not mandated. Why a lot of things aren't done. Cost. Vince http://www.chipublib.org/004chicago/timeline/iroqfire.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 12:13:12 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Was: Toronto Star/Now: Fire tragedy -- NJC I was off on my guess work - it was 602 people killed, most of them children. http://www.inficad.com/~ksup/iroquois.html another link for those raised in Chicago, memories of the fire were passed down in the schools and by family. > > > Vince > > http://www.chipublib.org/004chicago/timeline/iroqfire.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 12:42:52 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Was: Toronto Star/Now: Fire tragedy -- NJC Bob Murphy asked me off list if the recent Chicago nightclub tragedy (21 dead) was not a fire but a panic caused by pepper spray. I went back and look at my unread Chicago newspapers in a neat pile that serves as my indoor fire hazard and he is so right - so I correct my earlier post. A fight broke out in the nightclub, pepper spray was used to break up the fight, a panic for the exists started, security guards locked the doors (????) and the people stampeded on top of one another. Most died of cardiac arrest. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:48:59 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Was: Toronto Star/Now: Fire tragedy -- NJC Hey Vince thanks for that link. Besides the Iroquois fire, perhaps the fire that changed safety the most here in Chicago, was the Our Lady of the Angels school fire. That was my parish and I know first hand how strict things were after that. I am a little too young to have been in the fire, but I lost a cousin and some neighbors in that disaster. In fact I was VERY young, but the trauma of that day stll evokes a memory in me, even as a toddler. And I still recall the rebuilding of the school, the only things that could burn in ther was our paper. We had fire drills every couple of weeks and you had better not even crack a smile during that drill or those black veiled monsters would start swinging. But still people continue to push limits and come up weith new ways to put safety on the back burner. Awareness it appears must come periodically in the form of new disasters, and that's just sad. BTW not to be picky, but the disaster in the Chicago nightclub did not involve a fire, just two puffed up security guards using mace in close quarters and creating a stampede for the door. And a nightclub owner who may have opened illegally and been way over capacity. One report said one mother absolutely could not identify her son, with the exception of I believe a ring and an id. Thats's just disgusting! Stay safe everyone! Peace, Susan - --- vince wrote: > Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > >You're right, Kakki, the only good thing that will come of this is the > >awareness it is bringing to fire safety issues. > > > Short term, but not long term. Human nature is what it is. The worst > fire of this sort happened before Coconut Grove and what did people > learn? The Iroquois Theater Fire killed maybe 600 children and as > always, dead stacked at the exits, people trampled, etc. Just like the > Chicago nightclub fire that killed, what, 21 just a few days before the > RI fire? Did the Chicago fire the week earlier make anyone wake up? > > As long as there is a cheaper way to do it, it will be done. And > people's safety will be jeopardized. Human nature. That is why so much > car safety equipment is not mandated. Why a lot of things aren't done. > Cost. > > Vince > > http://www.chipublib.org/004chicago/timeline/iroqfire.html Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 13:31:02 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: falling off train Have you listened to DJRD? I think it's one of those records that people initially rejected, then came to love, although I personally loved it immediately. Along with Mingus, IMO, it presents Joni's voice at its best. It has Jaco's bass, but the overall sound is more colorful and diverse than Hejira. Some brilliant lyrics, too - notably the title track. At 09:15 AM 3/3/03 -0500, you wrote: > I still do not have a copy of DJRD, Mingus, or Shadows and Light (too >much from Mingus on there). - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/03 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:42:50 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Was: Toronto Star/Now: Fire tragedy -- NJC In a message dated 3/3/2003 12:44:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: > A fight broke out in the nightclub, pepper spray was used to break up > the fight, a panic for the exists started, security guards locked the > doors (????) and the people stampeded on top of one another. Most died > of cardiac arrest. How sad! I just scanned through these links about this Iroquois Theater fire. The pictures of mothers searching through the makeshift morgue looking for their children are absolutely heartbreaking. I was in a horrible crowd situation in San Francisco on Halloween. You cannot imagine how terrifying this is until its happening. I was up against an enormous plate glass window trying to squeeze my way down the street, when the force of the crowd pinned me there. The energy of the pressure shifted and I was pinned. People started screaming for the crowd to give us space, but no one heard. I remember looking at that plate glass which was vibrating and starting to bow inward and thinking that it was going to shatter and cut us to shreds. No amount of pushing or pleading could stop the wave of pressure that was, in effect, pushing us through that window. Suddenly, miraculously, on the other side of the crowd, a band started to play, and the crowd surged forward and the wave of pressure shifted the other way. I got the hell out of there and remember walking up the hill to my apartment and watching cops in riot gear running down the hill toward the crowd. I never ventured out to the Halloween celebration after that. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 13:43:53 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: falling off train I almost left during Hissing. But then I just got better dope! When i heard Paprika Plains I thought she had lost it. Of course, now I think it is one of her best works. Pure genius. And that was years after my last puff. But Mingus really turned me away. She just wasn't a jazz singer. And electric bass? Heresy. But it did turn me on to the real Charles Mingus recordings, which I still love. Night Ride Home brought me back to the fold. Baa-aa-aaaa-aaaaa. Jerry np: Dusty Springfield - A Very Fine Love Deb Messling wrote: > Have you listened to DJRD? I think it's one of those records that people > initially rejected, then came to love, although I personally loved it > immediately. Along with Mingus, IMO, it presents Joni's voice at its > best. It has Jaco's bass, but the overall sound is more colorful and > diverse than Hejira. Some brilliant lyrics, too - notably the title track. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:06:38 -0500 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: Cant wait to see the Masters Series Am really looking forward to seeing the Master Series feature presentation of Ms Joni Mitchell some of her life and times !!! Just one small aside here: THIS LIST IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT JONI MITCHELL NOT THE CRAVINGS FOR ATTENTION BY OTHERS, CAN WE TRY, GOING FORWARD TO KEEP IT THAT WAY? I have received at least one email where a member is considering leaving the list because it is filled with so much crap - I agree! So lets get back to its purpose!! I have not had a chance to view the previews but I am sure that this presentation on PBS in the US April 2, will only rekindle a clamour for more - more paintings more music and hey who knows maybe we will be able to do a thing whereby the music industry beast be damned we can subscribe toa live feed whenever the grand dame chooses to do a live show - right from whereever she wants to be! After that is the promise of the New Digital Age and the downfall for mediocrity pretensing itself to be art and artists! Joni, if you are listening you may finally have to admit computers hold promise for you! Enjoy Suzanne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 14:19:04 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Wall To Wall I've booked my flight to NYC for Wall to Wall, so who else is in? I don't fly out until Sunday evening, so let's plan some stuff. Less than 3 weeks away - yippee! Of course Saturday will be booked with the all-day Joni celebration, but it ends at 11 PM, early by JMDL standards. Bob, always craving the attention of others... NP: Loggins & Messina, "Same Old Wine" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 14:20:13 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Cant wait to see the Masters Series Suzanne MarcAurele wrote: > Am really looking forward to seeing the Master Series feature presentation > of Ms Joni Mitchell some of her life and times !!! Just one small aside > here: THIS LIST IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT JONI MITCHELL NOT THE CRAVINGS FOR > ATTENTION BY OTHERS, CAN WE TRY, GOING FORWARD TO KEEP IT THAT WAY? Well, I'll excuse you for shouting, and then correct you. The one thing all posters have in common on this list is Joni Mitchell, but not necessarily all posts about Joni Mitchell. If that is what you desire, then by all means subscribe to Joni only, rather than to the Joni digest. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:59:30 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Re: Hejira,,,now I get it..... er do I? CAtherine thank you for the suggestion below... So what I will do is take all my CD's out of their cases and put them back in the wrong ones and then pick blind from the mismatched cases and CD's and really surprise myself.....Eventually Hejira will surface and I will think "hey this is interesting" and maybe then I will get it!!! You are a genuis.... Stay at home and don't go out in the cold... Lucy - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Lucy Hone" ; Subject: RE: Hejira,,,now I get it..... er do I? Catherine suggested ... > I suggest you put it aside for a while and then try it > again later. Ideally you should play it without > letting yourself know you're going to (?!) - that's a > bit of a challenge. Do it spur of the moment - don't > plan it too much ahead. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #157 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)