From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #143 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 25 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 143 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: what brought you to joniland? [colin ] More Grammys (some JC) [Bruce Kimerer ] Woodstock [Scott Price ] Re: what brought you to joniland? [colin ] Re: NJC - Grammys and JMDLers - NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: what brought you to joniland? ["Jim Leonard" ] What brought you to Joniland NJC ["chuty001" ] Joni's Guitars ["paul@anglesnet.com" ] The Notorious Inner Circle [Brian Gross ] Re: what brought you to joniland? [vince ] Re: what brought you to joniland? ["Jim Leonard" ] The State of the List, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Guitars ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: what brought you to joniland? [vince ] Re: what brought you to joniland? njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: what brought you to joniland? njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: what brought you to joniland? njc [vince ] 5 & 1/4 weeks and counting down: American Masters special on USA's PBS ["] Changing Of the Guard, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] RE: what brought you to joniland? ["Heather" ] Re: apology NJC Bruce vs. Eminem [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The State of the List ["kakki" ] Another Joni-only Convert & CBC [Lindsay Moon ] Re: apology NJC Bruce vs. Eminem [vince ] Re: What brought you to Joniland NJC [vince ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #65 ["Lili Love" ] RE: the Grammies njc ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Guitars ["kakki" ] Re: if it ain't broke don't fix it njc (No Joni content) ["Victor Johnson] was Woodstock now California ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Guitars ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: was Woodstock now California [David Sadowski Subject: Re: what brought you to joniland? Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > > >>I wrote that it would be interesting to see a remake of Alfred Hitchcock's >>"Lifeboat" starring the members of the JMDL. (Murphy >>laughed, I recall.) :-) >> I am glad i can swim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:36:14 -0500 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: More Grammys (some JC) In today's NY Daily News, Jim Farber quotes Jay Newland, who won a Grammy for engineering Norah Jones's album. Newland says he wanted the album "to sound like the ones I grew up with, like an old Joni Mitchell album -- not compressed to death." What does he mean by 'compressed'? Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:35:11 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Woodstock At 06:19 PM 2/24/2003 -0500, Deb Messling wrote about "Woodstock:" >So many writers trot out the "voice of her generation" cliche and cite >Woodstock as some sort of hippie anthem To me, the song always was and always will be a hippie anthem. :-) If some want to label it "the voice of a generation" I think it's a compliment to the songwriter for capturing the emotion of an entire generation. >She DREAMED she saw the bombers turning into butterflies, but dreams >aren't reality. She says we've GOT to get ourselves back to the garden; >she doesn't say we're already there. Isn't that the point? The reality in 1969 was bombers strafing southeast Asia, the dream was and still is to take this flying machine of destruction and turn it into something more peaceful and beautiful, like a butterfly. She's *hoping* society will find the garden, or some semblance of a garden. Few would have argued then that we were "already there" in the garden...the *dream* was for everyone to get there...and that is why the song is an anthem. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 01:37:44 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: what brought you to joniland? Jim Leonard wrote: > >My point was that much of the professed "love" between listers is/was >delusional and/or insincere, and that it vanishes when the rubber hits the >road. So, I say ... save your love for your families and your significant >others, and for those JMDLers you really do get to know well in the flesh >and come to love. Then, profess that love off-list, where the sentiment >really means something, and is not for public show. > > > I think we often see ourselves reflected back at us. Perhaps what we percieve as deleusional and insincere just is how we are rather than the way they are. I undertsand your positon. i have always had a hard time believing anyone was sincere. I een used tot hink my love of 22 years must be a secret serial killer or some other type of sicko because otherwise what was he doing with me? i ahev learned otherwise of ocurse both abouthim and about other people. (john turned out to be far worse than i could imagine..he has a little tattoo on his thigh whihc reads 666 but we won;t go into that) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:41:55 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - Grammys and JMDLers - NJC In a message dated 2/23/03 11:47:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > I found myself thinking about a few of you tonight during the Grammys > because > so many of the artists nominated for awards remind me of JMDLers. You know > what I mean? > > Eminem . . . Rev. Vince. Bruuuuuce . . . Rose. Dave Matthews . . . Paz. > Bruce did win 3 at of the 5 categories he was nominated for, but you would never know it, as he was never given to opportunity to accept any of these awards on camera. All three categories were presented off-camera :0( Best Male Rock Performance - The Rising Best Rock Song - The Rising Best Rock Album - The Rising For those who love him, we all knew that he would come out wearing his heart on his sleeve to render a fiery performance. Thank you Bruce for your contributions to mankind. rosie in a proud nj I feckin love those sideburns too ;0) Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:01:00 -0500 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Re: what brought you to joniland? Colin wrote: > I think we often see ourselves reflected back at us. Perhaps what we percieve as deleusional and insincere just is how we are rather than the way they are. > I undertsand your positon. i have always had a hard time believing anyone was sincere. > Thanks for your response, Colin. I do think you misunderstood my point, though. When my family and close friends say they love me, I do believe them, and they believe me when I say the same to them. Our words have been borne out by our actions, on a 24/7 face-to-face basis, for years, in spite of all our faults being on constant display. A Joni Mitchell Discussion List is a whole other thing. I'm not denying there is real affection between certain members of this list. But that affection has been (for the most part) easy to come by, not hard-won, and therefore not necessarily enduring. If what you have to say is personal and sincere, tell the person in a private post. What purpose is served in making a public one, on a Joni Mitchell Discussion List? My guess is that the poster isn't as concerned with the effect the message has on the supposed recipient and he or she is with the effect it has on his/her image in the greater community. Best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:12:39 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: What brought you to Joniland NJC Well I came because of a love of music and have been a Joni fan since the good old days back in the crib. I have not met many even casual fans of Joni in the real world so was quite intrigued to find a whole community here on line. It hasn't been any thing like I expected or hoped for but I have communicated with a few very nice people here and in my mind that made the whole exercise worth. Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:16:08 -0800 From: "paul@anglesnet.com" Subject: Joni's Guitars Recently, bobsart@aol.com used this forum to question the eBay listing I posted for one of Joni Mitchell's guitars. That's unfortunate because s/he could easily have just asked me directly and avoided a lot of needless speculation. Or, s/he could have just called Westwood Music and asked for Fred. My email address was used in my post and on eBay and I always send my phone number with my signature. A number of potential buyers, from around the world, did write and/or call and we had numerous in-depth conversations about the guitar, the documentation, Joni, Fred Walecki, Westwood Music, my role, etc. If bobsart@aol.com is really interested in truth and not speculation, he or she is welcome to write or call me. And, yes, I do agree that the buyer got a steal and he agrees. It's a great guitar that comes with a signed note from Joni saying which tours she played it on. He took pictures of her playing that very guitar in concert at Wembley in 1983. My best to all, Paul - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul D. Angles | Marketing & Strategy paul@anglesnet.com | 310-704-9448 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:19:57 -0500 From: Brian Gross Subject: The Notorious Inner Circle At 10:00 this evening, medication will be dispensed by Nurse Ratchet and her assistant, Bob McMurphy. Please line up at the sliding window for your blue pill and joint us as we form the Inner Circle. np: the breaking of a special dark bar ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:23:09 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: what brought you to joniland? Jim Leonard wrote: >A Joni Mitchell Discussion List is a whole other thing. I'm not denying >there is real affection between certain members of this list. But that >affection has been (for the most part) easy to come by, not hard-won, and >therefore not necessarily enduring. If what you have to say is personal and >sincere, tell the person in a private post. What purpose is served in making >a public one, on a Joni Mitchell Discussion List? My guess is that the >poster isn't as concerned with the effect the message has on the supposed >recipient and he or she is with the effect it has on his/her image in the >greater community. > > Oh sometimes, but sometimes it is very necessary to affirm the positive feelings towards other posters because we do so damn good at posting the negative - reaffirmations that there is affection between posters is a necesary counterpoint to some of the rest, even when those differing opinions are offered with upmost civility - and sometimes it is treacle and James, I love you guy, you are the greatest, you are so wonderful, I can't express how much I love you and love your posts! Vince (is anyone reading this and scoring me good points?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:28:14 -0500 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Re: what brought you to joniland? Vince wrote: > Oh sometimes, but sometimes it is very necessary to affirm the positive feelings towards other posters because we do so damn good at posting the negative > In those cases, I don't really have a bone to pick. If someone has been slammed publicly, and apologies and or sticking-up-for posts should be public, too. > and sometimes it is treacle > Those are the instances I'm talking about. > and James, I love you guy, you are the greatest, you are so wonderful, I can't express how much I love you and love your posts! > :-) And I, you, Vince. As a matter of fact, your Grammy Awards post was right on the mark (almost). As you say, Norah Jones should have won Best New Artist. Period. As for Album Of The Year, however, unlike you I'd have voted for Springsteen. I'm not arguing "The Rising" was the best album released in 2002, just that it was the "album of the year," if you understand my distinction. Best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:37:58 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: The State of the List, njc Gees! Just as we all start talking about music again, this wise guy pipes up! Who the heck does he think he is? Acting like he OWNS the thing. I've had it. I'm going to joni-only! NOT! After thinking about going to joni-only, I didn't. As Carly observed of another mystery that seemed to ebb and flow: "[JMDL's] a lotus that opens and closes. Notice [it] won't always let me in." Have we ever talked about the innate wisdom, the enormous truth, the Zen-like simplicity of those lines? Kate, have you noticed that Carly had lotus/notice rhyming in an odd place? That is straight out of James' own rule book, even of late. "Oh-hhh, yes. No." We're on the rebound, ya'll. Ya know why I love this list? Cause when I quote from 25 year old songs no one complains and every once in a while, somebody "gets" it. All the best, Lama > Joniphiles - > > Can we talk? Does the JMDL seem to have taken on a different flavor > lately? Does it seem to have lost some of its sense of community? Does > anyone else feel this way? I find myself more and more simply skimming > through posts rather than reading them. That makes me sad. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:47:51 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: The State of the List In a message dated 2/23/03 11:50:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, ljirvin@jmdl.com writes: > What can be done? I am really interested in a frank, civilized discussion > on the state of the list. Along with a list of grievances, I'd also > appreciate some real suggestions on how to actively improve the JMDL. > I suggested it before........ a forum board (instead of live email via smoe) accessed only on the JMDL. You can choose to register or just be a guest. This way there can be no bitching about all the boring emails you're getting and having to delete. We can have one discussion forum for political discussions (which is where you must post them), one main discussion board for Joni only or non-related. On the main discussion forum, based on the subject matter of the post, you can pick & choose the ones you want to read. This seems to work well on another list I'm registered with. ~rosie in nj Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:07:48 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Tenderness and respect - damn right! I think Mags hit the nail on the head when she said that respect and tenderness are key components in any community. Those qualities exist here, for sure. I wasn't slagging any one person or any one group when I commented on respect for new members but I do know from off-list discussions with some people that there are those who feel occasionally alienated or ignored here, and yes, even belittled. There was the person who wanted to make it his mission in life to ridicule another list member because of a naive comment that he made, there was the person who was essentially giving me "the finger" in retaliation to one of my opinions and there are numerous other examples of nastiness that I could cite here but don't have the inclination to do so. I don't feel a victim and I actually feel that my posts are generally very well received. I've had numerous people write to me off-list with pleasant comments to make and I truly value those comments. I was simply raising the point that there IS ugliness on this list from time to time and was, perhaps, simply trying to diagnose an illness that needs to be cured, since Les asked for a discussion of the problems or symptoms of negativity. I feel very comfortable here and there are so many people on this list who make it great! As I said, I was made to feel very, very welcome. It's the snide remarks and nastiness that I perceive from time to time that get me to thinking there are some who simply can't, or won't, stomach it and will therefore unsubscribe, taking with them their experiences, their stories, their thoughts that they had wanted to express to us but felt stonewalled by a few bad apples who like being cranky or who are just not receptive. - -Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:15:59 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Woodstock --- Scott Price wrote: > To me, the song always was and always will be a > hippie anthem. Dec wrote: > >She DREAMED she saw the bombers turning into > butterflies, but dreams > >aren't reality. She says we've GOT to get > ourselves back to the garden; > >she doesn't say we're already there. Scott: > Isn't that the point? The reality in 1969 was > bombers strafing southeast > Asia, the dream was and still is to take this flying > machine of destruction > and turn it into something more peaceful and > beautiful, like a butterfly. Joni again on war and peace and the dream: "Sitting in a park in Paris, France Reading the news and it's all bad They won't give peace a chance That was just a dream some of us had." ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:18:02 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Guitars hi bob, sounds to me it was an error not intentional as you seem to have concluded also...i was in fred's store last year & he pointed up to a loft where there were several guitars & said those are joni's old guitars & i think he mentioned something about selling them for her...i wish i had asked for a look but i was there for other reasons...it may be that he is selling him in the way that music stores will sell a guitar for you on commission & take a bit out for doing so...but this is just my guess... everytime i have heard someone mention fred it is with great love & admiration...he is a legend among musicians for his devotion to helping them throughout the years & also for coming up with the idea for joni's vg8, so indeed they have an important history together... about 2? years ago many of the biggest stars in music put together a benefit to help him with his costs relating to his illness...i am pretty sure kakki was there & could tell you more about how he is beloved by many... meeting him was a wonderful experience- he is one energetic & intelligent guy! that is most of what i know about fred... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:27:13 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: what brought you to joniland? Jim Leonard wrote: >As for Album Of The Year, however, unlike you I'd have voted for >Springsteen. I'm not arguing "The Rising" was the best album released in >2002, just that it was the "album of the year," if you understand my >distinction. > That is the stupidest, most idiotic thing I have ever read in my life. The only taste you have is in your mouth. How fucking full of shit can one person's uninformed opinion be? I'd call your opinion utter foolishness but that would be an insult to fools everywhere. Ha Ha! There! Is the lovefest over? :-) Seriously not sure that I agree but I think your case can be made with great legitimacy. Makes more sense here than in best rock album since the rock community really didn't embrace it - it was rock not for the whole rock world but a more defined community, the audience for Nebraska, an album that was an attempt to use rock to transcend rock in making a statement that ahd great meaning for some people. This album used rock as the vehicle for a much broader statement in a way that hasn't been done before, rock as an expression of America in a way that is unique. The Rising was not rock for an age group, for a musical category, but to express the essence of the nation. That is a breakthrough. Am I making sense? Not sure I am explaining the concept I am going for here. That fault to be clear is mine. My argument for the Eminem Show is not only the quality of the record, being yet another new step forward in rap in which he addresses national issues, political and racial issues confronting our country, but his movement towards establishing more clearly the source of his anger - parents who neglect or abuse their children - and he clearly identifies his pain in the same song in which he states very clearly what is love, what his life is, what is meaningful to him beyond anything: his daughter Hailey. Long time Em fans know his love for Hailey but never did he say that so evocatively, for him, being rapper, being star, it all means nothing, not at all and the madness of the music business can be destructive, and in all this, what is real, what is the only, supra important thing in life. is loving your child(ren) - because of the things that Em dealt with in the album, this was the rap album that has begun to break through - stories in the New York Times magazine, the New Yorker, the New Yorker cartoons based on Em actually crossing over to a new demographic , the 30-50 crowd - this album shattered a lot of stereotypes and break new ground and break down barriers for some who prior to its release rejected out of hand - so the significance of The Eminem Show is real, groundbreaking. And it was a damn fine album on every level. So that is my argument for why it should have been album of the year - I know I am biased so who gives a damn what I think - but there it is. Between Springsteen and Eminem there were two valid contenders for album of the year. I might grant the Dixie Chicks a nomination as they certainly are speaking well to their audience, but I wouldn't give it to them because it had no vision to break through to something new as Springsteen and Em did. No one to settle what should have been the choice between these choice and was Coldplay in the category - to me the album of the year should do something to break barriers, move people in a new way, influence the course of music as Graceland did for example which didn't introduce world music but gave us a while new vision and direction of what world music should be - so it was Springsteen and Eminem they should have chose between the the Grammys took the safe middle of the road aor approach. Just my thought. Dis them everyone, or ignore them, just offering my thoughts on the day after the Grammys. Vince NP on the TV: MTV Challenge, Road Rules vs Real World, Battle of the Sexes - another sign that I have some serious issues therapy can't touch ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:28:54 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: what brought you to joniland? njc --- Jim Leonard wrote: > When my family and close friends say they > love me, I do believe > them, and they believe me when I say the same to > them. Our words have been > borne out by our actions, on a 24/7 face-to-face > basis, for years, in spite > of all our faults being on constant display. > > A Joni Mitchell Discussion List is a whole other > thing. I'm not denying > there is real affection between certain members of > this list. But that > affection has been (for the most part) easy to come > by, not hard-won, and > therefore not necessarily enduring. It's true though - it's a lot easier to love people when you've never had to share a bathroom with them! :) All kidding aside though (for now), I'm not a touchy-feely person myself and I understand how icky all that love-talk can be. Nonetheless I've benefited from the kindness of many other people on this list - maybe it's not love, but it's still pretty darn nice. If what you have > to say is personal and > sincere, tell the person in a private post. What > purpose is served in making > a public one, on a Joni Mitchell Discussion List? My > guess is that the > poster isn't as concerned with the effect the > message has on the supposed > recipient and he or she is with the effect it has on > his/her image in the > greater community. You have a point. That's probably true with some people. My ex-husband was like that - wanted to "look" good in the eyes of outsiders at all costs, but acted like a real shit in his own home among the people he supposedly loved. Totally weird but some people are like that. The jmdlers though - don't you know the jmdlers are just a bunch of aging hippies? They/we love everybody! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:31:36 -0500 From: vince Subject: apology damn it all, this should have been NJC and I thought I typed it into the subject and I didn't Joni Onlys, I respect you and I deeply apologize Vince the JMDL idiot vince wrote: > Jim Leonard wrote: > >> As for Album Of The Year, however, unlike you I'd have voted for >> Springsteen. I'm not arguing "The Rising" was the best album released in >> 2002, just that it was the "album of the year," if you understand my >> distinction. >> > That is the stupidest, most idiotic thing I have ever read in my life. > The only taste you have is in your mouth. How fucking full of shit > can one person's uninformed opinion be? I'd call your opinion utter > foolishness but that would be an insult to fools everywhere. > > Ha Ha! There! Is the lovefest over? :-) > > Seriously not sure that I agree but I think your case can be made with > great legitimacy. Makes more sense here than in best rock album since > the rock community really didn't embrace it - it was rock not for the > whole rock world but a more defined community, the audience for > Nebraska, an album that was an attempt to use rock to transcend rock > in making a statement that ahd great meaning for some people. This > album used rock as the vehicle for a much broader statement in a way > that hasn't been done before, rock as an expression of America in a > way that is unique. The Rising was not rock for an age group, for a > musical category, but to express the essence of the nation. That is a > breakthrough. Am I making sense? Not sure I am explaining the > concept I am going for here. That fault to be clear is mine. > > My argument for the Eminem Show is not only the quality of the record, > being yet another new step forward in rap in which he addresses > national issues, political and racial issues confronting our country, > but his movement towards establishing more clearly the source of his > anger - parents who neglect or abuse their children - and he clearly > identifies his pain in the same song in which he states very clearly > what is love, what his life is, what is meaningful to him beyond > anything: his daughter Hailey. Long time Em fans know his love for > Hailey but never did he say that so evocatively, for him, being > rapper, being star, it all means nothing, not at all and the madness > of the music business can be destructive, and in all this, what is > real, what is the only, supra important thing in life. is loving your > child(ren) - > > because of the things that Em dealt with in the album, this was the > rap album that has begun to break through - stories in the New York > Times magazine, the New Yorker, the New Yorker cartoons based on Em > actually crossing over to a new demographic , the 30-50 crowd - this > album shattered a lot of stereotypes and break new ground and break > down barriers for some who prior to its release rejected out of hand - > so the significance of The Eminem Show is real, groundbreaking. And > it was a damn fine album on every level. So that is my argument for > why it should have been album of the year - I know I am biased so who > gives a damn what I think - but there it is. > > Between Springsteen and Eminem there were two valid contenders for > album of the year. I might grant the Dixie Chicks a nomination as > they certainly are speaking well to their audience, but I wouldn't > give it to them because it had no vision to break through to something > new as Springsteen and Em did. > No one to settle what should have been the choice between these choice > and was Coldplay in the category - to me the album of the year should > do something to break barriers, move people in a new way, influence > the course of music as Graceland did for example which didn't > introduce world music but gave us a while new vision and direction of > what world music should be - so it was Springsteen and Eminem they > should have chose between the the Grammys took the safe middle of the > road aor approach. > > Just my thought. Dis them everyone, or ignore them, just offering my > thoughts on the day after the Grammys. > > Vince > NP on the TV: MTV Challenge, Road Rules vs Real World, Battle of the > Sexes - another sign that I have some serious issues therapy can't touch ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:32:51 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: what brought you to joniland? njc --- vince You win points for this: > and James, I love you guy, you are the greatest, you > are so wonderful, I > can't express how much I love you and love your > posts! > And lose, strangely enough, the same number of points for this: > (is anyone reading this and scoring me good points?) So you're back to zero - time to start over! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:34:59 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The State of the List NJC --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > I suggested it before........ a forum board (instead > of live email via smoe) > accessed only on the JMDL. You can choose to > register or just be a guest. > This way there can be no bitching about all the > boring emails you're getting > and having to delete. Yabbut, yabbut... bitching is so much FUN! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:39:15 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: what brought you to joniland? njc Catherine McKay wrote: > > > >So you're back to zero - time to start over! > > > Bret Easton Ellis said it best about me in his book about me: Less Than Zero. Anyone ever wants to have a discission on Bret Easton Ellis books, I am very open - Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:39:21 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: 5 & 1/4 weeks and counting down: American Masters special on USA's PBS Wednesday, April 02, 2003. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/mitchell_j_homepage.html Avoid the rush: Buy your popcorn and blank video tape today. Judging by the schedule posted so far, it's an hour long. I guess almost all of us could write that hour, right? "Tonight on American Masters..... the miracle of..... ..... ...... Joni Mitchell. <20 second animation of PBS logo in motion> - --- Tonight........................ The American Masters Series.... looks at....................... Joni Mitchell.................. This program is underwritten by............. "the United States Army...." "Joni got her start in life not far from a Canadian Army post in Saskatchewan. And now a pledge break. ....................... The American Masters Series is underwritten by.." "The United States Army." ........ In the late 60s, while the music industry was lousy with Commie sympathizers, Joni played for the courageous soldiers of the United States Armed Forces at Fort Bragg. Yes, those brave fighting men in uniform have always held a place close to Joni's heart. Her song, "The Beat Of Black Wings" heralded in a new era of exalting America's fighting forces. In Joni's own words,"