From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #138 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, February 23 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 138 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: just music njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Newport Jazz Festival vs. Newport Folk Festival, njc now really ["Jim] RE: Joni and cars ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Things I tried to ignore but couldn't #2 (NJC) ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(La] Re: jonifest sweater njc [colin ] RE: just music njc ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: joni on CBC [Catherine McKay ] New Joni Picture [est86mlm@ameritech.net] RE: wall to wall [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: Oh, no, not another f.... ing link!! NJC [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] NJC - Greetings from Wallyworld! - NJC [Murphycop] emperor njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Cure for insomnia? [Les Irvin ] comments on my perfect box set ["walterphil" ] : Re: liberalism - vertigo.... Double Standards..... NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: just music njc [colin ] Re: Newport JAZZ Festival vs. Newport FOLK Festival [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Dar Williams, SJC [Jenny Goodspeed ] BAFTA'S NJC [colin ] RE: Oh, no, not another f.... ing link!! NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: GRAMMY AWARDS are on now, jc [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: comments on my perfect box set [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 04:12:46 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: just music njc DING DING DING We have a winner! Congratulations, Susan. You must be over 29 years old because noone under thirty knows a.) the rock band "Chicago" did not always suck wind and b.) the first album was called "Chicago Transit Authority". Lama PS, I guess you already have the "Joni's Jazz" set, from NYC, where Chaka Khan spilled the beans about the inspiration for the lines about a blind man in THOSL? > From: Susan Guzzi [mailto:groovchacha@yahoo.com] > Please Lama babe, I live there .... Chicago! That was their name > early on CTA= Chicago Transit > Authority. That was when they were good, never liked them much > after the name change. They > always had that same droning sound! > > I'd much rather brag on our other Chicago fave, Chaka Kahn, > friend of Joni and my dance partner > way back in 1970/1 ... Yikes! Yes she used to play our high > school dances. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 04:34:06 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Newport Jazz Festival vs. Newport Folk Festival, njc now really And I suppose Pat Metheny might say, >As Newport Falls, So Falls "The Joni Mitchell Companion"> maybe not...... Lama >> Dan said, I'd bet that they (she?) meant the Newport Folk Festival. Ironically, beginning in the mid-70's, the JAZZ festival would have been a more appropriate venue, but at some point, they stopped calling it the "Newport" jazz festival, in favor of KOOL, and later other corporate sponsors (JVC comes to mind). This reminds me of the typo in several photo captions in the "Joni Mitchell Companion", where it's referred to as the "Newport FALLS Festival".>> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 04:44:29 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: Joni and cars this one didn't pop into my head immediately, possibly because she may not actually be referring to an "automobile". Lama Joan said, >>>> I hope you got your heat turned on baby I hope they finally fixed your automobile I hope it's better when we meet again baby ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 04:56:31 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Things I tried to ignore but couldn't #2 (NJC) Kate, Are you writing "angry" songs? You're on a new wavelength this year. I hope you're harnessing it, tapping in, including it in your art, & making it work for you. I think you're "on" to something. Go with it. BTW, I was surprised that no one objected when I slammed Appalachians recently. Lama Kate said, >>>>it seemed to me also that debra's & kakki's conversation was on the lighter side it kind of made me uncomfortable too because of the generalizations involved this is so much the point which i trying to make a few days ago!!! certain generalities trigger strong feelings in me, yet i realize no one means to offend & are sometimes perplexed as to why i would feel that way... other generalities trigger strong feelings in others... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:58:45 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: jonifest sweater njc Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > >Bastard! > listen ehtel, dear, there is no need to get personal. right bitch? >I still can't stand Princess Margaret! > Still smarting cos she had all the success with the men? Or is it because she was a REAL Princess and not an over made up wannabe? > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 7:44:35 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: just music njc > We have a winner! Congratulations, Susan. You must be over 29 years old > because noone under thirty knows > > a.) the rock band "Chicago" did not always suck wind and > > b.) the first album was called "Chicago Transit Authority". c.) Peter Cetera wasn't the first lead singer. Victor in Decatur - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 07:55:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni on CBC --- joe farrell wrote: > Just to endorse Bob's point on Joni on CBC March > 4&11, hope one or more of > our Canadian listers will tape the shows. It would > be brilliant if the > copies could be made into a video tree and made > avalable to other listers > worldwide subject to the usual terms. > > Really hope that this will happen as it sounds as if > the shows have the > potential to be really interesting > I will tape it if my VCR is behaving itself - I don't trust the bugger. And I don't have the capability of making copies, so how would I be able to make a copy to send to anyone? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 07:30:47 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: New Joni Picture Andrew, You can see this photo at: http://www.williamclaxton.com/movie.html in the 'Recent Work' gallery under Portfolio. Click on the small picture of Joni to enlarge it. (Bottom Left) Caption next to picture: Joni Mitchell Bel Air, 1997 I liked the way the light filtered through the sycamore trees onto her face. That and the fact that she makes cigarette smoking a most sensual act for a beautiful lady. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 05:35:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: RE: wall to wall Hi Heather, I usually drive down to CT and take the train - so maybe we could meet up somewhere and take the train together. Let's definitely make some plans! Jenny Heather wrote:i certainly would like to jenny. would you be driving? i usually take the train. let's make a plan. anyone else want to team up? heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Jenny Goodspeed Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:55 AM To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote:Thanks for signing back on, Mark...another reason for me to stick around, which I was looking for. > Bob Oh no, Bob - were you thinking of jumping ship all together? I switched to Joni only recently too. But sometimes scan the non-joni-only archives - like a bad habit I can't drop (I can think of worse habits, though). I have been wondering if the nature of the JMDL has been changing, since some longtime listers are switching to joni-only - or is this just a natural cycle of the list. Did you say you were thinking of coming up north for Wall to Wall Joni. I'm thinking of going too. I'm curious, is anybody else making the trip to the big apple for the free show? Jenny Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 05:38:07 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Oh, no, not another f.... ing link!! NJC Kate, I just watched a Frontline episode this week on this topic. It was pretty fascinating. Check your local PBS listings - or if you missed it, you can go to the Frontline section of the PBS website and get access to the interviews and info they included in the episode. Jenny Kate Bennett wrote:thanks gill, the article you mention ends with the following information: "Strategic thinkers in the US have been planning this next stage of expansion for years. Paul Wolfowitz, now deputy secretary for defence, was writing about the need to invade Iraq in the mid-1990s." from http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,897766,00.html this is something brenda (whose intelligence & thoughtfulness i surely miss here) mentioned quite a few months ago when she wrote: "I am not anti-war. However this war is NOT a defense of democracy. It is about domination. If you doubt that, read the "Defense Planning for Guidance" documents produced by the Office of the Secretary of Defense in 1992 (Cheney) and 2002 (Rumsfeld - basically Cheney by proxy) and the "Defense Strategy for the 1990's" also written by Cheney. I also recommend reading Rumsfeld's "Transforming the Military" published in the May/June issue of Foreign Affairs. This war is not another front in the war on terrorism; it is the culmination of a plan many years old." ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 05:49:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: NJC Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall Well, I sure am glad you stick it out through the dry times - just wouldn't be the same without you around here. And of course, I remember, as many a JMDLer probably does too, you being the very first to respond enthusiastically to a newbie's post. There's a tentative schedule up for Wall to Wall: Quite a list - I am really excited about Luciana Souza and Gigi. Plus some folkie staples like Christine Lavin and Lucy Kaplansky. http://www.symphonyspace.org/genres/eventPage.php?genreId=1&eventId=287 Anybody going to spring for the reserved orchestra seats? Jenny SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:54:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com writes: > Oh no, Bob - were you thinking of jumping ship all > together? Yes...but knowing the people here as I do, I continue to hold out hope that it can return to something that holds more interest for me. Joni-only works really well, all we need is a bit more conversation. Besides, my covers project keeps me involved. > Did you say you were thinking of coming up north for > Wall to Wall Joni. I'm thinking of going too. I'm > curious, is anybody else making the trip to the big > apple for the free show? I AM planning on making the trip, and am very much looking forward to it! Very excited to hear that Joan Osborne is onboard! I noticed too that it's being webcast...would it be possible for this audio to be recorded, I wonder? Looking forward to seeing you in a month or so, Jenny! Bob Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:13:38 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] NJC - Greetings from Wallyworld! - NJC Great plan! Cound me in. Maggie -----Original Message----- From: murphycopy@aol.com Sent: Sat 2/22/2003 12:12 PM To: joni@smoe.org; NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com Cc: Subject: [NortheastJonifest] NJC - Greetings from Wallyworld! - NJC I saw our beloved part-time Birthday Fairy last night. He is fine, looks great, frisky as ever . . . he even started smoking cigs to be more like Joni! Anyway, if you'd like to see Wally, too, here's the plan . . . WHERE: Johnny D's in Somerville WHEN: Sunday, March 9 FOR WHAT: Jazz brunch! (Probably at noon, I'll find out more when making reservations) Please RSVP as soon as possible so I can reserve! Take care, --Bob To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 07:31:03 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall (NJC) > Yes, Lori, defectors from the petty wars . . . Ooooh, Smurf - good one! Seriously, you got me with that! : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:00:43 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: nz world cup njc (just not cricket???) hi >>>azeem wrote >>>>PS New Zealand aren't doing badly in the world cup, hey? Worth a small wager, perhaps, so those in the know are saying... ive been tipping nz for the world cup all along so it looks like im in the know!!! actually more like im in the dark & hoping a different team will win :-) but congratulations hell the team is good - i really enjoyed the sa-nz match. ron just back in from a 4 day roadtrip around the mountains, sunburnt to hell, & totally blissed out. 4 days of listening to great music driving around the mountains in a convertible with the top down & the music up.... ps - shadows & light is without a doubt the *greatest* driving album ever produced.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:48:12 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] NJC - Greetings from Wallyworld! - NJC Maggie writes: << Great plan! Cound me in. >> Sure I'll "cound" you in, Maggie. Were you wearing Colin's sweater when you typed that? Also, will Alex be joining us? --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:32:30 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: emperor njc yes, the emperor has no clothes on Marianne all of this from Fred: >Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 23:42:32 -0500 >From: FredNow@aol.com >Subject: "There you go again ... " njc In a message dated 2/18/2003 6:06:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, sl.m@shaw.ca writes: >You live in a representative democracy, not a direct one. You voted >for >Bush, albeit by the slimmest of margins. That means he gets to >decide. That's what your democracy is.>>Sarah No, no, no ... Bush was not elected ... not by popular vote, not by electoral college, and it's got nothing to do with chads, hanging, pregnant, or otherwise. Here are some facts that have been reported by the BBC, the Washington Post, the L.A. Times, as well as others. Go ahead, check it out for yourself. In 1999, Katherine Harris, Florida Secretary of State in charge of elections and, in a neat coincidence, George W. Bush's presidential campaign co-chairwoman, hired an independent accounting firm, Database Technologies, to purge Florida's voter rolls of not only actual former felons, but anyone *suspected* of being an ex-felon (rehabilitated felons are not allowed to vote in Florida, this is a law that varies from state to state; incidentally, in the thirty-five states where former felons can vote, roughly 90 percent vote Democratic). DBT was instructed to scan for people with similar names to those of actual felons, with the same birthdate as actual felons, or a similar social security number; they were instructed to scan for an 80 per cent match of relevant information. The inevitable result was that thousands of legitimately eligible voters would be barred from voting. DBT, although generally sympathetic to Republicans, at least had enough integrity to warn Harris' office! that "programming in this fashion may supply you with false positives." The State of Florida, however, was unconcerned and told the firm to go ahead; in Harris elections office files, next to the DBT's recommended cross-check and verification plan, there is a handwritten note: "DON'T NEED." In Miami-Dade, Florida's largest county, 66 per cent of the disenfranchised voters were black; overall, black voters went 90 per cent for Gore. You do the math. But that's not all ... an additional 8000 Floridians were barred because their names were on a list of former felons who had moved from another state; they had done their time and their voting rights had been reinstated. Some on this list had committed only misdemeanors, even parking violations or littering. What was that other state? Of course, it was Texas ... another neat coincidence. All told, more than 180,000 registered voters in Florida were permanently wiped from the voter rolls. Were some of these legitimately barred, at least according to Florida law? Yes. But Linda Howell, the elections supervisor of Madison County, was just one of several thousand with squeaky clean records who were barred from voting on Election Day. Remember, Bush "won" Florida by a mere 537 votes; is it safe to say that of 180,000 disenfranchised voters (many of them questionably), many of them black, at least 538 had the dumb luck to simply have had the same name as a felon, or the same birth! date, or a similar social security number, and would likely have voted for Gore? I think so. But forget about all that for a moment ... no one could possibly believe that thousands of Jewish voters would have intentionally voted for Pat Buchanan, not even Pat Buchanan himself believes this. So, all this hanky-panky (and, really, much more ... just for instance, the head of the Fox network's election coverage, who went way out on a limb and declared Bush the winner before any other network, before the polls had closed in California, before the massive irregularities had even begun to be resolved, is none other than a first cousin of George and Jeb) goes down in a state where the "winner's" brother just happens to be governor, where the secretary of state in charge of elections just happens to be the "winner's" Florida campaign manager (how is that fact alone not an egregious conflict of interest that automatically invalidates all her shenanigans?), where thousands of legitimate voters are disqualified because of a faulty list that came from the state where the "winne! r" just happened to be governor, where the "winner" was declared prematurely by a media executive who just happened to be the "winner's" first cousin ... this was all just coincidence? Yeah, right. It was a coup, that's what it was, enabled with the help of a partisan Supreme Court decision led by judges appointed by the father of the "winner," and, no, I won't "get over it." Our emperor -- the man who told the Swedish prime minister, "It's amazing I won. I was running against peace, prosperity, and incumbency" -- is wearing no clothes. - - -Fred (no, not that one ... the other one) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:56:06 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Cure for insomnia? Joniphiles - There's a new article in the Library for all you academic types. It's an analysis of her "harmonic innovation" published last spring by Cambridge University. Some pretty interesting points are made but it's not for the faint of heart as it runs 20 pages long in the publication and includes sentences like: "The Mixolydian flavour in this song takes the form of an extended 7th chord built on the tonic. In the instrumental interlude this chord (D13-11) is non-functional  or rather, a function (movement to IV) is implied without materialising." Here 'tis: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1056 Possible snoozefest for some... :-) Les... who hasn't even mentioned that the Library has surpassed the 1,000 milestone. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:08:42 -0500 (EST) From: "walterphil" Subject: comments on my perfect box set dear bob how dare you even attempt to criticise all of my hard work? ha ha kidding actually i agreeed with all of your comments (especially howling at the ann landers reference) stupid of me for mixing the 2 songs (the streisand cover) actually i am kind of a streisand fan (pre rock era only!!) i just love calling her the ol hag to get her legions of adoring fans going i'm also a huge pet clark fan. way way way way WAY underrated. her work with producer tony hatch is on par with the beatles, or anything else. ((all right all right, calm down everyone, maybe not THE BEATLES...but anything else!!!) yes chalk mark may be cosidered by some to be her worst---but it aint---dog eat dog is--by a landslide!!! at least chalk mark has 1. a better cover (ick that perm on DED 2. i think cool water, bird that whistles and beat of black wings are shimmering, melodic and beautiful (synth washes and all). and who could knock the benign willie nelson? (altho how she could be in the same room with don henly is beyond me) DED has the one good song, in my opinion, "impossible dreamer." (well i kind of dig "empty try another" but that doesn't reall count.) i can't get my needle anywhere near the vinyl on that lp. the last time my turntable ejected it out the window when the "3 great stimulants" started playing. i had to go down to the courtyard of my building to retrieve it. thanks for writing love this list and love everything else joni ever did (don't get me started on travelog tho) walt The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:41:54 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: : Re: liberalism - vertigo.... Double Standards..... NJC PAT........ what a Wonderful post in the digest .......... I don't know how you manage to balance all this out with living lives that allow you time to breathe... Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:02:59 EST From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Re: liberalism - vertigo NJC It was a huge post and too big to copy in here again. Cleverly argued and clear without any hysteria attached to it... I always am amazed at the folks on here who can scrabble through all the listings and pull points out and make them into some sort of sweater that is available in one size suits all...... The point of double standards is the one that struck me... it runs its sticky thread through so many aspects of our lives. Sly-eyed politicians, cover-ups about child abuse, the hand of the corporate giants stained with blood or at the very least suffering........ Check out Nestles overseas policy on baby milk......go find your own links but I try never to buy anything with a Nestle trade mark...... But double standards like anything else depend upon the society within which they are framed... Within France it is still common for a man to have a mistress..... who was the famous French President who had a second family alongside his married one? was it Giscard D'Estaing? anyway that is not considered a double standard there but a point of masculine pride!!! Smacks of having several pieces of pie and eating it to me.....and France is a supposedly devoutly Catholic country.... Please note I am NOT saying Catholics are bad here but it is a real case of double standard stuff.... in any society where religion and its position in the society are uphled by the people in power......, before this falls into some accusation of me getting at Catholics OK?...........the finger can be pointed at our "royal family". the queen as head of state has three divorced children.... gone are the days when state and faith can be breathed in the same breath...... And was our separation from the Catholic Chrurch about divorce in the first place............. I seem to think it was..... and he even chopped her head off afterwards!!! So thank you Pat for prompting me to put something on the list.... I shall now retire to my bunker... Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:02:49 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: Re: Newport JAZZ Festival vs. Newport FOLK Festival On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, at 13:01:36 EST, KJHSF@aol.com (Ken) wrote (in Re: Newport Jazz Festival vs. Newport Folk Festival: > >In a message dated 2/22/2003 12:03:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, >tim_spong@hotmail.com writes: > > > > a time when Joni said > > she planned to ride with Judy Collins to the "Newport Jazz Festival" and > > was > > stood up. > >What is up with this story? Does anyone know why she stood Joni up? I >read >about this in People magazine back around the time of DED's release. Is >Joni >as unforgiving as I am about this? I recall the article saying that Joni >was >"uncharacteristically unkind" when speaking about Judy Collins. > >Ken > .... Tim responds: There has been discussion of this event before; if you missed it, I understand threads can be searched on the jmdl site, although I have not done so myself. I don't think the specific reason has ever been mentioned. Maybe nobody knows but Judy. Perhaps some emergent contingency was to blame, or miscommunication, or, even though it strains credulity, Judy actually, simply, forgot. I hope, 30-plus years on, JM has forgiven JC. Similarly, there has been discussion that there was resentment by JM toward Joan Baez about -- what was it? Causing Joni's set to be cut short in a joint appearance? I hope their mutual attitude has evolved toward "let bygones be bygones." Also, on Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003, at 13:24:21 -0500, vince , on >Subject: Re: the box set, writes: > >SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > >Obviously, I also LOVED Patrick's idea of including covers that are/were >significant. As much as we love Joni, I hazard to say that without the >early success of her covers, her career may not have come to the fruition >that it did. > > > > > > >Which is say, Judy Collins put Joni on the map. A lot of people first >listened to Joni, myself included, because we were intrigued with who it >was that wrote that beautiful song - which was beautiful in its day >before it was done to death by everyone and almost become a clichi. > >Vince > Tim adds: Just so. Their relationship was symbiotic. They mutually benefited. Lastly, on Sat, 22 Feb 2003, at 11:39:42 -0700, Dan Olson wrote, on >Subject: Re: Newport Jazz Festival vs. Newport Folk Festival: > >I'd bet that they (she?) meant the Newport Folk Festival. Ironically, >beginning in the mid-70's, the JAZZ festival would have been a more >appropriate venue, but at some point, they stopped calling it the "Newport" >jazz festival, in favor of KOOL, and later other corporate sponsors (JVC >comes to mind). This reminds me of the typo in several photo captions in >the "Joni Mitchell Companion", where it's referred to as the "Newport FALLS >Festival". > .. and Tim responds: Well, the article from the link quoted Joni directly, so "she," not "they," apparently meant the Newport Folk Festival, because Judy Collins has never been strongly associated (to my knowledge) with Jazz, and that time was before Joni was. Tim Spong in soggy-with-rain-and-melting-snow Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:28:48 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Things I tried to ignore but couldn't #2 (NJC) lama >Are you writing "angry" songs?< well there is one in progress called 'you lie' but who knows if it will see the light of day ... i would love to harness some of that sardonic commentary of randy newman...he does angry in a way that makes you laugh ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:36:45 EST From: CDTraderJohn@aol.com Subject: Need help with live Joni CD Can anyone help me identify a CD I just traded for that, purportedly, was taken from a January 1972 BBC broadcast. Here is my best stab at the setlist: 1) This Flight Tonight 2) ?? 3) Big Yellow Taxi 4) (I'd Just Like t See You Sometime??) 5) Song About the Midway 6) The Gallery 7) The Priest 8) California 9) Carey 10) You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio 11) ?? 12) ----- is there a 12th track??? (not on mine) My copy cuts out abruptly after the 11th track, but it appears there may have been another song or even two on the original source tape. Also, some of these tracks appear on the "Blonde in the Bleachers" compilation tape that circulates. I'm always looking for artwork and/or setlists for Joni's shows. Anyone know where I can find a good source? And lastly, is there anyone out there who might have good, clean (early generation sourced) CD copies of some early (through 1974) shows they might be willing to trade with me? It is very difficult locating decent sources for some of these shows -- many are either badly edited, glitch-filled, or late generation copies. Thanks for any help you can provide. (By the way, I welcome information even if you don't want to trade, so please don't let that request keep you from responding). Thanks, John in Massachusetts ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:41:03 EST From: Freddyb4@aol.com Subject: Re: sJC / Tracks of our years Hello All In the middle pages of "The Daily Mail" Saturday 22nd Feb, is an Article which begins - Nick Hornbys best seller "High fidelity" revealed the secret of what boys do in their private moments. They make lists of their favourite records. Now Hornby has gone a step further, his new book is 31 Songs, a series of essays on his favourite records. Sadly the essays are good, but most of the records are not...........The writer of this article Ray Connolly then goes on to list his own 31 songs with brief reasons for their inclusion, and Joni is included with two photos. He says "I really let myself down when I interviewed Joni Mitchell by not being familiar with her work. She quickly realized of course and played me tracks from her latest Album "Blue", and converted me on the spot. I could choose half a dozen of her songs but "For Free" is the current favourite. A simple idea for a book, but he knows we all share this !!!!!!!(Lucy what word am I looking for ??) Affinity, is that right ? The songs we hear, the records we bought are marks in time, each one a step along our personal "life path" and when we play them or hear them on the radio, there is that footprint, we can with such clarity remember a dance, a day, a summer, a love. Each of our lists would be different, but as we are mostly people of the same era we will share many similar memories I remember a school trip to France, 1966, and sitting on a beach in Brittany on a Sunday afternoon listening to the TOP 10 on a small tranny radio, N0 1 "Wont Somebody Help Me" The Spencer Davis group, brilliant! My first real girl friend bought me Jose Falicianos "Light My Fire"68. Dylans "Nashville Skyline " seemed to be being played non stop through out 1969(Lay Lady Lay) James Taylors "Youve got a friend" and Joni singing on "Blue" won me the love of my life. When it comes to sad memories the same is true, a few months after my Dad died, "Mike and the Mechanics" came on TV, he explained he had written the song they were going to sing soon after his father died, and he proceeded to sing "The Living Years" He explained the troubled relationship he had with his own father, and the regret that he never got to make things right, and that his father never got to see his grandson. I got on well with my Dad, but I felt I was only just getting to know him properly, he knew he was ill, we didnt. It was strange how he began to open up in those months before he died. If any of you have a troubled relationship with family or friends, not spoken for years, end it now today, or at least try, or you could be like Mike "Wishing you could have told him (them) in the living years" If you know the song, and you have lost someone, you will know how easy the tears flow as you listen to this song. 15 years on I still miss my Dad. My dad knew he was ill but did nothing about it and died age 73, a shock, but he made his choice, Old age is unfair enough, but suffering from something like Alzheimers disease which in the end robs the sufferer of any self respect, but of course they do not know this, you feel it for them. As I did as I watched my Mother being slowly destroyed by this terrible illness, and it takes away your ability to grieve, by the time they die you are just pleased to see the end. If you have family or know someone who is beginning to suffer the affects of "The Big A" it is every bit as destructive as "C", Cancer. Enjoy them now, make their lives happy, give them your time, because unless you are very lucky, there will be little to enjoy in their future. Sorry to end on such a negative note, but if this disease affects your life then my thoughts are with you, I suppose I could say prayer, even though I am a non believer, maybe my prayer is more valid, you will know it is genuine, no middle man, and I have had my say in this list about War, but wouldnt it be wonderful if as much time, money, and effort were put into preserving the quality of life for all, or is that too much to ask ? Two old men sitting in deck chairs, one old man says "Nice out today isnt it ?" The other old man replies "Yeah, I think I,ll take mine out " Well it makes me laugh, Cheers Freddyb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:29:39 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: just music njc >Dar Williams belongs to the Kate Bennett/Jewel school. Hopeful, positive, and sweet; first, last, and always.< dar is an amazing songwriter...i would not put jewel in the same category (or me, but thanks for including me in there somewhere) & so i must print the lyrics to the first dar song i ever heard: When I Was A Boy Dar Williams I won't forget when Peter Pan came to my house, took my hand I said I was a boy; I'm glad he didn't check. I learned to fly, I learned to fight I lived a whole life in one night We saved each other's lives out on the pirate's deck. And I remember that night When I'm leaving a late night with some friends And I hear somebody tell me it's not safe, someone should help me I need to find a nice man to walk me home. When I was a boy, I scared the pants off of my mom, Climbed what I could climb upon And I don't know how I survived, I guess I knew the tricks that all boys knew. And you can walk me home, but I was a boy, too. I was a kid that you would like, just a small boy on her bike Riding topless, yeah, I never cared who saw. My neighbor come outside to say, "Get your shirt," I said "No way, it's the last time I'm not breaking any law." And now I'm in a clothing store, and the sign says less is more More that's tight means more to see, more for them, not more for me That can't help me climb a tree in ten seconds flat When I was a boy, see that picture? That was me Grass-stained shirt and dusty knees And I know things have gotta change, They got pills to sell, they've got implants to put in, they've got implants to remove But I am not forgetting That I was a boy too And like the woods where I would creep, it's a secret I can keep Except when I'm tired, except when I'm being caught off guard I've had a lonesome awful day, the conversation finds its way To catching fire-flies out in the backyard. And I tell the man I'm with about the other life I lived And I say now you're top gun, I have lost and you have won And he says, "Oh no, no, can't you see When I was a girl, my mom and I we always talked And I picked flowers everywhere that I walked. And I could always cry, now even when I'm alone I seldom do And I have lost some kindness But I was a girl too. And you were just like me, and I was just like you. ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 22:13:43 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: just music njc I find Dar witty, intelligent, poignant, real, she sings very well, stuffs a lot of words into bars and is a great guitar player. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:20:57 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Newport JAZZ Festival vs. Newport FOLK Festival In a message dated 2/23/2003 3:04:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, tim_spong@hotmail.com writes: > don't think the specific reason has ever been > mentioned. Maybe nobody knows but Judy. Perhaps some emergent contingency > was to blame, or miscommunication, or, even though it strains credulity, > Judy actually, simply, forgot. I hope, 30-plus years on, JM has forgiven > JC. > Thanks for pointing me toward the threads archive! There are many uncharted components on the JMDL site! For the first time today, I took a peek at the digest archives to see what you all discuss (I'm Joni only)--yikes!!! I was surprised to discover many posts labeled NJC that, to me, had Joni content or at least what I considered to be Joni content. And the comfort food thread was a real kick. Perhaps when the impending war and political discussion dies down, I will switch my status. I researched the Joni/Judy Newport incident and found the people magazine article. I was incorrect about what Joni said about Judy. The author stated that Joni was uncharacteristically unkind about the latest crop of girl singer-songwriters, and I had erroneously remembered that comment as referential to Judy. About Judy, Joni was quoted as saying "I've known stories of greater generosity." Hmmm. I've always had a mental image of Joni at the curb with her bags, waiting for Judy to arrive. LOL Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:07:00 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Dar Williams, SJC Kate, this is the first Dar song I heard, too. A local public radio DJ played it on his weekly folk/bluegrass show and I stopped whatever it was I was doing and listened and was crying by the end of the song, "Yes, yes, I was a boy too!! " LOL . She played a house concert that week in Lawrence, KS and the host accurately predicted that soon Dar would be too big to play tiny shows like this one. That was almost 10 years ago. Yikes! Two years later I went to a songwriting workshop she taught in Lyons, CO. She spent a great deal of time talking about lyric writing - it's clearly important to her. So I asked her to talk about her choice of chord progressions, and the use of open tunings, her melody lines, etc. And she said, "Hmm, I don't know...I guess I listen to a lot of Joni Mitchell." And that was all she had to say about that! Jenny Kate Bennett wrote:>Dar Williams belongs to the Kate Bennett/Jewel school. Hopeful, positive, and sweet; first, last, and always.< dar is an amazing songwriter...i would not put jewel in the same category (or me, but thanks for including me in there somewhere) & so i must print the lyrics to the first dar song i ever heard: When I Was A Boy Dar Williams I won't forget when Peter Pan came to my house, took my hand I said I was a boy; I'm glad he didn't check. I learned to fly, I learned to fight I lived a whole life in one night We saved each other's lives out on the pirate's deck. And I remember that night When I'm leaving a late night with some friends And I hear somebody tell me it's not safe, someone should help me I need to find a nice man to walk me home. When I was a boy, I scared the pants off of my mom, Climbed what I could climb upon And I don't know how I survived, I guess I knew the tricks that all boys knew. And you can walk me home, but I was a boy, too. I was a kid that you would like, just a small boy on her bike Riding topless, yeah, I never cared who saw. My neighbor come outside to say, "Get your shirt," I said "No way, it's the last time I'm not breaking any law." And now I'm in a clothing store, and the sign says less is more More that's tight means more to see, more for them, not more for me That can't help me climb a tree in ten seconds flat When I was a boy, see that picture? That was me Grass-stained shirt and dusty knees And I know things have gotta change, They got pills to sell, they've got implants to put in, they've got implants to remove But I am not forgetting That I was a boy too And like the woods where I would creep, it's a secret I can keep Except when I'm tired, except when I'm being caught off guard I've had a lonesome awful day, the conversation finds its way To catching fire-flies out in the backyard. And I tell the man I'm with about the other life I lived And I say now you're top gun, I have lost and you have won And he says, "Oh no, no, can't you see When I was a girl, my mom and I we always talked And I picked flowers everywhere that I walked. And I could always cry, now even when I'm alone I seldom do And I have lost some kindness But I was a girl too. And you were just like me, and I was just like you. ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 23:30:33 +0000 From: colin Subject: BAFTA'S NJC Best Film-The Pianist Best Director- Roman Polanksi Best Actress - Nicole Kidman Best Actor- Daniel Day Lewis Best Sopporting Actress-Catherine Zeta Jones Best Suporting Actor-Christopher Walken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:36:17 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Oh, no, not another f.... ing link!! NJC jenny>>Kate, I just watched a Frontline episode this week on this topic. It was pretty fascinating.<< wow! thanks so much for this info jenny, i have wondered why this stuff was not more available but it sounds as if this show has pulled a lot of this information together...unfortunately i missed it but the website says the program will be online this coming tuesday... the show was called the 'war behind closed doors' & there is some information here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/iraq/ whether you are for or against this iraq invasion, i think this program provides some critical information ...there is also a place to post your views on the subject if anyone feels so inclined (might be a wiser choice than debating the issue here, imo) ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:54:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: The Covers Project -- attention Bob Muller! While doing a search on Cole Porter on the web, I came across this site "The Covers Project": http://www.coversproject.com/ So I did a search on "Joni Mitchell" and it came back with quite a list, but I'm sure it's nowhere near as extensive as Bob's list. They have lists of songs covered by the artist, as well as songs by the artist that others have covered. They also have "chains of covers" described as "a set of songs in which each song is a cover of a song by the band who covered the preceding song." The Joni chain is 119 songs. Crikey! This is way too anal-retentive for me (my head just about explodes even looking at this stuff) and I really think these people have far too much time on their hands, but as soon as I saw this, I thought of Bob, who couldn't possibly have too much time on his hands but still manages this Joni-covers project and makes it look easy. Those of you who enjoy that six-degrees thing and who play those pub quizzes would probably find some good info in there to fool a lotta people. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:13:05 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Covers Project -- attention Bob Muller! Hi Catherine, Most of the Joni covers that are listed there are songs I supplied them with. There's a couple of false entries, but it's a cool website and lots of fun. Bob NP: Marta Gomez, "Paula Ausente" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:19:18 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: GRAMMY AWARDS are on now, jc There are tons of Joni-related artists up for nominations. Someday Bryan Thomas will be nominated. "But until then until then... this is how you learn it." Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:34:55 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: GRAMMY AWARDS are on now, jc what a beginning ... Simon and Garfunkel performing Sounds of Silence... moving and most appropriate for these days. Norah Jones just won... woohooo she's got the same managers as our Joan. "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" wrote:There are tons of Joni-related artists up for nominations. Someday Bryan Thomas will be nominated. "But until then until then... this is how you learn it." Lama You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:42:22 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: GRAMMY AWARDS are on now, jc In a message dated 2/23/03 8:36:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > what a beginning ... Simon and Garfunkel performing Sounds of Silence... > moving and most appropriate for these days. > Norah Jones just won... woohooo > and so did No Doubt.......one of the few CD's I bought last year that I love. I'm so excited that Norah won too! She's kicking off her tour in Ft. Myers of all places on June 6th in a nice 1800 capacity venue. Unfortunately, I won't be here then. .......and yes, Lama, I hope to see Bryan Thomas up on that stage someday soon. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:44:17 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: comments on my perfect box set In a message dated 2/23/2003 2:10:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, walterphil@excite.com writes: > i'm also a huge pet clark fan. She's OK by me...she certainly had that span of time when she ALWAYS had a hit song on the radio. Also, besides her version of "For Free", one of her TV specials featured Harry Belafonte singing BSN. This was a very controversial special as Pet & Harry did a number holding hands, not something that sat well with folks in the late 60's. Hell, even my Mom had a crush on Harry! > > yes chalk mark may be cosidered by some to be her worst---but it aint---dog > eat dog is--by a landslide!!! Well, I'm not a fan of either one, mostly due to the production. I think in a side by side comparison, DED has the stronger songs. I too love the Cool Water duet, the best of the duet lot on CMIARS. There are a couple of songs on both of these projects that have potential...I think Joni missed the boat by entirely skipping over them when selecting tracks for T'log. Like you say, Impossible Dreamer is a beautiful song and would sound better in a less synthetic environment. Bob NP: Vicki Randle, "Don't Let Me Fall" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #138 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)