From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #137 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, February 23 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 137 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: joni on CBC [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: jonifest sweater njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] re: Joni and cars ["mia ortlieb" ] Oops! ["Mary E. Pitassi" ] 5 & 1/2 weeks and counting down: American Masters special on USA's PBS ["] Weapons of mass destruction ["Eryl B Davies" ] A Box of Joni [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Things I tried to ignore but couldn't #2 (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: liberalism - vertigo NJC [PMcfad@aol.com] Big Sur ["Russell Bowden" ] Re: joni on CBC [Little Bird ] New photo of Joni [Little Bird ] 1576 njc [colin ] Re: jonifest sweater njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: liberalism - vertigo NJC [vince ] Today in History: February 23 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: February 23 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: just music njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: just music njc [Scott Price ] Re: just music njc [Susan Guzzi ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:43:41 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: joni on CBC Joe, I'll make a copy . . . provided I can get my video player to work. Tell me please - I've just moved from Britain and Canada, and I'm not sure about Canadian versus American format. Are they the same, do you know, or do I need to buy a particular type of tape? Oh, I just noticed, you're in the UK yourself. Hmm. . . perhaps someone else knows, or Joe, do you know whether Canada and UK are the same in terms of home video tapes? Sarah At 10:08 PM +0000 02/22/2003, joe farrell wrote: >Just to endorse Bob's point on Joni on CBC March 4&11, hope one or more of >our Canadian listers will tape the shows. It would be brilliant if the >copies could be made into a video tree and made avalable to other listers worldwide subject to the usual terms. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:47:41 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: jonifest sweater njc Colin writes: << I had not inteended the same sweater get passed from winner to winner each year like a Trophy! >> That's MY job, Colin! *I* get past from winner to winner each year! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:49:28 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Joni and cars "I had a king in a salt-rusted carriage" "He makes up his own tune right on the spot about whitewalls and windshields...." "the thumb and the satchel or the rented rolls-royce" "while our limo is shining on his shanty street" "shiny toys......I love my porsche" "we'll lend you the car" "takes a yellow cab uptown" "and the traffic wrote the words" "if you're driving into town" "double-decker bus" (okay, not a car, but a vehicle nonetheless) Mia _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:53:13 -0600 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: Oops! Hitting myself on the head for my last. Repeat after me: NJC. NJC. NJC. . . . . . Although, come to think of it, if a tree fell in the forest and it was marked "NJC," how would Mark and Bob see it?? - --Unable to resolve that last conundrum, but with sincere apologies to all, Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:02:45 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: 5 & 1/2 weeks and counting down: American Masters special on USA's PBS Wednesday, April 02, 2003. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/mitchell_j_homepage.html If you want a stereo VHS copy, recorded off the air, write to me off-list and send me a blank VHS tape. (Plays on USA, Canadian, and NTSC-combination players available in the Netherlands and the UK.) Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:04:47 -0000 From: "Eryl B Davies" Subject: Weapons of mass destruction Try this link for laugh http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ Eryl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:03:24 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: A Box of Joni I would want this to include lots of rarities, alternate mixes and live performances. How about some of the DED tunes performed acoustically? And, her debut of Facelift at the Gene Autry Museum concert is spectacular! I much prefer it to the TTT version. I don't really see the need to compile a bunch of previously released stuff and put it out there again. (Although I do like hearing all the different ideas about listers' dream-concepts!) If you check out Rickie Lee's site, there are about 30 live performance CDs available as CDs or MP3 downloads. So, even though these are "bootlegs," Rickie Lee gets some income from them, and fans get a huge library of unreleased performances. I would be overjoyed to have a Joni catalogue like that to choose from! In fact, I might prefer that over another "record label" outing as a box set. Unless the songs on a box set are remixed, why have them just recompiled again? Surely there are rare and unreleased Joni tunes, demos, etc. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:02:21 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Things I tried to ignore but couldn't #2 (NJC) >>Overall, I thought our conversation was more about GENERALITIES...I do accept that you took my comments as a personal insult, Darice. I don't even know where you live, though, so how can I be talking about you specifically? Again, I'm not saying it didn't feel that way to you, just that it was not my intent to cause you to feel that way.<< it seemed to me also that debra's & kakki's conversation was on the lighter side compared to other subjects that had been discussed here yet it kind of made me uncomfortable too because of the generalizations involved (i have lived on both east & west coast)... but to others it was not perceived as something light at all... this is so much the point which i trying to make a few days ago!!! certain generalities trigger strong feelings in me, yet i realize no one means to offend & are sometimes perplexed as to why i would feel that way...other generalities trigger strong feelings in others... my observation is that so many communication problems occur when we aren't careful with our words & choose make these kind of careless generalizations about groups of people...when this happens somewhere, somehow, someone is going to take offense... i suppose we all have some things we internally generalize & i don't exclude myself from this, but when communicating, especially in this medium, if we are not careful our words can cause problems for us rather than helping to clarify what we are trying to say... it is always clearer to speak in specifics & from your own experience whenever possible, imo ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:21:52 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: my joni box set update Dear Ann Landers, thank you for re-printing your columns! ;~) All kidding aside, Walt - this is a pretty good stab at the beast. I will add that the 20-track cd is probably closer to the truth than the 12-tracker that I had suggested. The CSNY 4-CD set averages about 20 tracks on each cd, and I would imagine that the audiences for Joni & CSNY have lots of crossover. I could not sleep at night if I didn't offer a couple of comments: > 13. i think i understand (so simple so beautiful and so well sung) (and that hag b. streisand should just hang it up) Barbra never recorded this song; you've confused it with "I Don't Know Where I Stand". I'm miles away from being a Streisand fan but her take on Joni is exquisite...matter of fact we've got a live version from 1973 coming up on Volume 38. > 22. for free (bet cha never heard petula clark's version) Of course many of us have. Pretty song, pretty voice, nice cover. How much did you bet? You can send it to Ashara for the Fest Scholarship fund. ;~) (I'll bet you haven't heard Catfish Hodge's version...or Morning's...or...well you get the point.) > 2. case of you (everyones favorite-not mine tho) You are correct - ACOY is currently leading the pace for the #1 song. The other 4 in the top 5 are all Hejira songs - cool! > 5. bird that whistles (overlooked gem-why doesnt > anyone ever vote for this one on the song poll? unassuming and un pretentious) I mostly agree with you - unfortunately it has the dubious position of being the LAST cut on Joni's WORST album, so it probably doesn't get much air time. (Sorry Bob's Art...) Anyway...thanks again for all the topics. Bob NP: Living Colour, "I Want To Know" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:28:01 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: my joni box set update In a message dated 2/22/2003 4:36:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rusty10113 writes: > how can I hear them? Mitch, many of us have this stuff on cd's and are happy to share for the mere costs of blank media and shipping. Talk to me offlist if you're interested and you can too can go "beyond Z" in the world of Joni! :~) Bob NP: XTC, "Mayor Of Simpleton" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:31:41 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's hypo box set In a message dated 2/22/2003 12:32:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bobsart48 writes: > I would be interested in seeing the results of a JMDL poll, > where everyone > lists their top 48, in order, with the results compiled. But we can sorta do that in a pretty easy fashion on the jmdl web site...everyone who wants to play can go to the "Song Poll" section and cast their vote. I don't believe there's a limit to how many you can pick, so let's open the polls and do it. Thanks as always to Les, God bless him. Bob NP: Blur, "No Distance Left To Run" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:32:47 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: I wish they all could be California girls i always thought he meant he wanted all the girls from the usa to come live in california so... i did! :~} vince >>Darice, remember that everyone else is jealous of you all. I have searched for the words of one of the greatest philosophers of our generation, a Californian in fact, who said it best about the West being best: I wish they all could be California I wish they all could be California I wish they all could be California girls<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 23:59:32 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: jonifest sweater njc Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > >That's MY job, Colin! *I* get past from winner to winner each year! > Oh my god. Lets hope there are only losers then..... > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:02:59 EST From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Re: liberalism - vertigo NJC I agree with this statement by Sarah: > To me, the term "liberalism" precludes extremism by definition. Not so, the > term > "leftwing" -- not in Europe anyway. We have confusion on this list as to what is liberal, conservative, left wing, right wing, and extremism. IMHO, extremism is a terrible state of affairs...be it left or right. If someone has a particular problem with a democrat or a republican, then so be it. But when someone is anti democrat or anti republican, that is wrong. There is so much distrust and hatred in that state that no liveable situation can evolve. Going back in threads, Sarah was also right about the protestant reformation and papal infallibility subjects that were raised. The protestant reformation was all about rejecting the Church's authority and placing authority on the individual. It's hard to tell now if that was a liberal or a conservative thing to do. But individual authority and responsibility were the root causes of the p.r. Also going back in threads were some comments on papal infallibility. Papal infallibility is a central catholic doctrine that can not be diminished by...having only been applied once. Papal infallibility is about the the church viewing itself as the arc of salvation for humans to live their lives safely in the turbulent waters of humanity. Papal infallibility is a metaphorical life line from the arc of humanity to God...with the pope on one end and Peter and Jesus on the other. This is very catholic thinking. This implies that the church will never go astray or get lost from God...because God has a tie placed upon it which manifests itself in decrees of infallibility of the church leadership. On the list....left wing political posters are able to live with this doctrine...but they are not able to live with any republican politics...because they are 'conservative'. I'll never understand how 'liberal'...'left wing'...'democrats' can remain roman catholic where the structure of the church is conservative, male only, women demeaning, authoritative, exclusive, and religiously extreme. What I'm getting at are double standards. How can we hate republicans and all they stand for....but be accepting and defending of the catholic church which won't even allow women in its leadership? What is that...conservative...extreme....right wing...or is it liberal and left? I'm thoroughly confused by these issues. Personally, I believe I think with a liberal open mindedness. At the same time, I'm very conservative when it comes to issues of safety and defense. In communicating and understanding, I tend to be liberal in wanting to give everyone their chance to speak freely. But musically, I'm more conservative because I like very structured and organized music that is challenging to the mind. Religiously, I'm liberal because I believe that things will change and truth is not a once and done thing and that all religions will evolve and develop over time. Politically, I'm a democrat because I believe their values are more humane. But voting wise, I often vote Republican because I like their candidates better. I don't understand how hateful both republicans and democrats can become toward opposing parties in the US and I definately don't understand how on this list we have people who so strongly reject conservative politicians but willingly live with conservitive religious ideology. It gives me vertigo and it is very inconsistant. pat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:20:35 -0800 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Big Sur Gang, Imagine my surprise upon turning on my TV and the Big Sur movie is playing!! Fox Classic Movie channel. I've never seen it........wild! Love, Russ - --- Russell Bowden - --- russbowden@earthlink.net - --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:06:38 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: joni on CBC Hi Sarah, The tape formats are NOT the same in the UK and Canada. - -Andrew - -- sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Joe, I'll make a copy . . . provided I can get my > video player to > work. Tell me please - I've just moved from Britain > and Canada, and > I'm not sure about Canadian versus American format. > Are they the > same, do you know, or do I need to buy a particular > type of tape? > Oh, I just noticed, you're in the UK yourself. Hmm. > . . perhaps > someone else knows, or Joe, do you know whether > Canada and UK are the > same in terms of home video tapes? > > Sarah > > > > At 10:08 PM +0000 02/22/2003, joe farrell wrote: > >Just to endorse Bob's point on Joni on CBC March > 4&11, hope one or more of > >our Canadian listers will tape the shows. It would > be brilliant if the > >copies could be made into a video tree and made > avalable to other listers > worldwide subject to the usual terms. Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:11:44 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: New photo of Joni Not sure if this has been posted yet, but there is a fabulous new black and white photograph of Joni in a book by William Claxton called "Photographic Memory." It's a very recent photo and she is sitting at a table, smoking of course, looking very humourously smug. She looks beautiful, though! - -Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 02:14:34 +0000 From: colin Subject: 1576 njc 1576 is the number of emails I have receieved 19th-21st. About 1550 are NJC. mind you most ofthem are not from Jonilist either..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 23:38:27 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: jonifest sweater njc I wrote: << >That's MY job, Colin! *I* get past from winner to winner each year! >> Of course, I meant "passed." And Colin answered: << Oh my god. Lets hope there are only losers then..... >> Bastard! I still can't stand Princess Margaret! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 00:14:32 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: liberalism - vertigo NJC On Sunday eves (aka Saturday nights) when tomorrow's service is very present on my my mind, sometimes I struggle with what I should comment on and with what I should set aside. Tonight we all lost. It one way it is a minor thing and I hope everyone knows how deeply I respect our poster here, but in another way it is very significant. I cannot accept this sentence as it unless it includes within the body of the sentence the modifier that the Reformation included, but was not in total about, a rejection of a particular interpretation of the authority of the Church that was prevalent in Rome in the years prior to and after 1517 (and perhaps to the present day but that is another discussion altogether). Certainly for Luther and Melanchthon, for Zwingli and Calvin, for Knox, for the reformers in England to the extent at any point in the English Reformation that they were reformers, and for even a good number of the anabaptists, what was done was not at all a rejection of the authority of the Church but redefinitions of what that authority is and how it is to be expressed. The authority of the Church was reinterpreted, reunderstood, redefined, exercised ina different way than the papal view but it was never, ever rejected except by some of the radical reformers. (Even others of the radical reformers, placing the locus of authority in a very local community, held high views on church authority.) The emphases on the priesthood of all believers, on grace, on the role of individual conscience, were certainly other very vital parts of the Reformation but never at the expense of the concept of the right understanding of the authority of the Church and never exclusionary to it. Other than the stray radical reformer here and there, total rejection of any concept of the authority of the Church and total emphasis on the individual apart from the church does not really enter the picture until 100-150 years after the Reformation and began to reach real expression in the American colonies. Why I get so pedantic on these things I do not know. It is just who I am. I am sorry for that. However it is not all that often that I get to write about these things. Sometimes I feel very bludgeoned by all that continues in the inter-church body, faith tradition, and ecumenical on-going dialogues on authority, ministry, etc. etc. etc. Yet it continues to be a very real part of my life in the church. And somehow bottom line is that my real life is in the Church and these things become very important and we spend so much time seeking clarity that it rubs over into my Joni life. Sorry. Vince PMcfad@aol.com wrote: >The protestant >reformation was all about rejecting the Church's authority and placing >authority on the individual. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 02:00:15 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: February 23 1972: Joni performed with Jackson Browne at Carnegie Hall in New York City. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=400 http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=814 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 02:00:15 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 23 On February 23 the following items were published: 1974: "Live Sounds" - Sounds (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=348 1995: "Reaffirming the Partnership" - Canadian Parliament (Opinion) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=664 2002: "Canada's Reckless Daughter" - Ottawa Citizen (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=752 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 02:17:23 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: just music njc Dar Williams belongs to the Kate Bennett/Jewel school. Hopeful, positive, and sweet; first, last, and always. You'd never see a swipe in a love song, like "I could drink a case of you" for example, from them. It's kinda weird to talk about Kate's songwriting style like she's not here, isn't it? Kate, how many new songs have you written? Lama now playing on the big stereo, from the ridiculously over-achieving battery-powered Panasonic portable CD player: the album nicknamed "CTA". Who can name the band? Colin said, >yes I think so too. I have all her albums. >She is the only singer i have I would >compare (and have) to joni. BRIANASYMES@aol.com said, >>Dar Williams is in my town tonight at a >>free record store performance I do >>love her songs they do belong to the >>Joni School. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 23:45:00 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: just music njc Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama) writes: > Dar Williams belongs to the Kate Bennett/Jewel school. Hopeful, positive, > and sweet; first, last, and always. Jim, Those are nice things to say about Dar but I'd describe her as complex, artistic, brilliant, keenly observant, totally honest, and in charge of her career and her craft. Her ballads, of which there are many, convey darkness much more than sweetness. Hmmm...sounds more like a certain "lady of duality" than an ingenue like Jewel. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 23:55:03 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: just music njc Lama asked: from the ridiculously over-achieving > battery-powered Panasonic portable CD player: the album nicknamed "CTA". > Who can name the band? > Please Lama babe, I live there .... Chicago! That was their name early on CTA= Chicago Transit Authority. That was when they were good, never liked them much after the name change. They always had that same droning sound! I'd much rather brag on our other Chicago fave, Chaka Kahn, friend of Joni and my dance partner way back in 1970/1 ... Yikes! Yes she used to play our high school dances. Peace, Susan NP: Norah Jones/Turn Me On Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #137 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)