From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #134 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, February 22 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 134 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Cricket commentating gems njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Things I tried to ignore but couldn't #3 (sjc) Walecki ebay [Darice ] Re: jonifest sweater njc [colin ] Re: PERSONAL INFO ON ANYONE!! ACT NOW!! njc [colin ] RE: trying Joni only ["patrick leader" ] RE: trying Joni only and wall to wall ["Heather" ] Re: Joni on CBC [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni on CBC [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni on CBC [Catherine McKay ] What would Joni do? [Randy Remote ] JT summer concerts in NE ["janine sherman" ] Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Pickin' on Joni ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: PERSONAL INFO ON ANYONE!! ACT NOW!! njc [sl.m@shaw.ca] Joni on CBC Newsworld [Doug ] Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall ["Jim Leonard" ] Re: Peter Tatchell NJC [sl.m@shaw.ca] joni boxed set? ["patrick leader" ] "Shadows And Light" on DVD-Video ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] SUV's NJC [MGVal@aol.com] Re: joni boxed set? ["Jim Leonard" ] All eyes on Joni [Little Bird ] Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] njc Africa supports France [vince ] Re: trying Joni only [Michael Paz ] Re: Randy Remotes post on politics,Jackson Browne plus admin and paperclips NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall [Michael Paz Subject: Things I tried to ignore but couldn't #3 (sjc) Walecki ebay There was a comment on the list about the correction post about the guitar listed on ebay by Westwood Music and FredWalecki. Something along the lines of "if they got that wrong, what else? maybe it isn't even Joni's guitar" Fred Walecki is one of the most respected and admired music store owners in America. The stories of the people who he helped get their first instruments, his dedication to quality, his help when Joni was thinking about giving up touring because of her difficulty handling the heavier guitars,are legendary. I thought the post was an acknowledgment that some of the people involved in the sale, (Joni, Fred, etc)thought that the guitar might find a good home with a list memeber. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:39:33 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: PERSONAL INFO ON ANYONE!! ACT NOW!! njc There's apparently a huge pent-up demand so, as a special introductory get-acquainted offer, for a limited time, I'm offering a two-for-one deal: Paz' phone number !!AND!! Kakki's real name. The prices are insanely low so act before midnight tonight. Lama P.S. Mention this email offer and you'll get details of my UFO encounter and a miracle, all-dark-chocolate, diet. Hurry! Lori said, >>P.S. to Paz: Dear Michael, I did not have your home or cell phone numbers, and you apparently aren't listed in the local White Pages. Did you try to call my hotel? Sorry I missed you, too!>> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 00:40:22 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: just music njc BRIANASYMES@aol.com wrote: >Dar Williams is in my town tonight at a free record store performance I do love her songs they do belong to the Joni School. > > yes I think so too. I have all her albums. She is the only singer i have I would compare(and have) to joni. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 00:42:56 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: jonifest sweater njc >Hey Colin, I can't believe my luck! Didn't anyone tell you I was first >reserve for the sweater? > yes they did. they also told me I was much better looking than Richard Gere, Brad Pitt and Keanu put all together..... > I say, give the real winner a couple more weeks to >stake their claim then I'll send you my measurements :) No really, >incapacitated or not, if you won the sweater, you are one lucky person, and >should by now be wearing a designer label garment which would make you the >envy of your friends. I've seen them and they are really lovely quality. > you are so nice. you still can't have it unless you pay for it...... > >Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 00:49:53 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: PERSONAL INFO ON ANYONE!! ACT NOW!! njc > and you'll get details of my UFO encounter > > well i hope it wasn't like mine...my arse is still sore from all that probing..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:54:03 -0500 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall Lori wrote: "Can somebody, anybody, please start a JC thread??" (snip) "(Please? I don't want Bob to leave!)" I've been catching up on a bunch of backlogged JMDL digests today and was surprised (but not surprised) to find that my friend SCJoniGuy (and yes, Bob, "Astral Weeks" is a masterpiece ... some of the posts attempting to explain that were "right on," if too brief) has become a Joni-Only. I think it's definitely the right move for him, as long as he can count on people to remember to copy him on (what's become rare) music-related NJC. Get ready to move it on over, Muller (and Mark ... great to see you back!), as I'm seriously thinking about joining you there. Not long after I subscribed to the JMDL in 2000, I suggested a thread (more like a JMDL project) which, in light of Lori's plea, I'd like to suggest again. I'd like us to create Joni's 4-CD "box set" - to debate and ultimately finalize the chosen material - which, when we were done, would represent what we'd collectively like to see should a box set become available to "the public" as a definitive overview of Joni's catalog and a songwriter and performer. The Saskatoon statue conversation was sort of along these lines - what should the statue look like? - but I'd find the "box set" conversation/debate to be far more interesting, and it would allow for a complete critical review of Joni's catalog. I was going to suggest that the material be limited to that which is available commercially, but now I'd like even to be part of the debate. Can a box set be put together without including any of the early unreleased songs as they appear in the Second Fret Sets, etc. Also, should the set be chronologically compiled? ... thematic by disc? Anyway, it's an idea. If no one else is into it (Jimmy DID put a list together for me way back when ... and a very good one, as I recall), I'm planning on doing this for myself one of these days in the not too distant future. I really enjoy getting my favorite artists' complete catalogs in front of me and making a career overview. In Joni's case, it would be that much more fun to include the JMDL in a complete critical assessment, knowing we'd have to eventually whittle it all down to four 80-minute discs. Best, Jim NP: American Public Radio's "Miles Davis Radio Project" (copied to CD-R) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:56:11 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Things I tried to ignore but couldn't #2 (NJC) I didn't see the comment you're referring to Darice, and yes of course, you're right, it's offensive and silly. Maybe it was intended tongue-in-cheek? But, and I'm serious, I can imagine worse fates than being labelled a bleached blonde bubble-headed surfer girl lying in the sun. As someone who used to live near a beach, the words 'if only' spring to mind. . . ;-) Sarah At 5:34 PM -0800 02/21/2003, Darice wrote: >I am amazed that the listmembers who have had such a problem with >generalizations of the American people, and who object to labeling >or boxing others, have not responded to the idea that those of us >who live on the West Coast, especially in California, are not as >intellectual as those of us who reside in the Northeast, and NYC . . >. I feel (there's that word again) as if I have been "labeled" a >bleached blonde, bubble-headed surfer girl lying in the sun, while >the others (more highly evolved) of the species migrate to the East >Coast to offer their political "advice" to the rest of the world. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:01:20 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Things I tried to ignore but couldn't #2 (NJC) Yeh us on the west coste are just as an intlelljent Darice wrote: > I am amazed that the listmembers who have had such a problem with generalizations of the American people, and who object to labeling or boxing others, have not responded to the idea that those of us who live on the West Coast, especially in California, are not as intellectual as those of us who reside in the Northeast, and NYC. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 01:05:55 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Peter Tatchell NJC Hew as hailed as a hero by a leadin g churchman here. the churchman was castigated for it. It just isn;t on for a Churchman to extolll the virtues of a known homosexual. sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > I've been surprised to see no discussion on the list about the > brilliant (IMO) British gay rights campaigner, Peter Tatchell, and his > efforts in Paris to arrest Robert Mugabe for human rights violations. > Sorry to those who don't like the links, but here's another one for > those who do: a good write-up of Tatchell in today's Independent, and > also an outline of Tatchell's suggestion as an alternative to war in > Iraq, which is the only one I've heard that could work. > > "Mr Tatchell, by the way, is way ahead of both hawks and doves in his > own analysis of what should be done about Saddam Hussein. He rejects > war, but dislikes the succour such a position gives to that dictator > as well. He prescribes a regime-change-from-within strategy which > involves funding satellite TV and radio stations to break Saddam's > media censorship, and allow the co-ordination of the mounting of a > campaign of civil resistance in the country. He advocates training and > arming opposition forces in the no-fly zones in the north and south. > In this way, he contends, a civilian and military rebellion would > avoid the accusation of neo-imperialism and create conditions that > would be likely to ensure a more stable and enduring democracy. This, > of course, is the very scenario that the US backed away from when the > last Gulf war ended." > > http://argument.independent.co.uk/regular_columnists/deborah_orr/story.jsp?story=380116 > > > Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:01:23 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: trying Joni only i'm so glad you're back, mark. there's been a lot of back-and-forth about travelogue, some joy, some reservations ( i have a few, but i have moments that make me weak with happiness. dawntreader, anyone?) i've got a THE city story i posted before christmas. i'll send it privately. did you get a headset for work? patrick atp (about to play) - travelogue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:17:42 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: trying Joni only and wall to wall i certainly would like to jenny. would you be driving? i usually take the train. let's make a plan. anyone else want to team up? heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Jenny Goodspeed Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:55 AM To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote:Thanks for signing back on, Mark...another reason for me to stick around, which I was looking for. > Bob Oh no, Bob - were you thinking of jumping ship all together? I switched to Joni only recently too. But sometimes scan the non-joni-only archives - like a bad habit I can't drop (I can think of worse habits, though). I have been wondering if the nature of the JMDL has been changing, since some longtime listers are switching to joni-only - or is this just a natural cycle of the list. Did you say you were thinking of coming up north for Wall to Wall Joni. I'm thinking of going too. I'm curious, is anybody else making the trip to the big apple for the free show? Jenny Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:31:24 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni on CBC I may just have to move to Canada temporarily to watch this. They call it A Woman of Heart and Mind: The Life and Times of Joni Mitchell Besides interviews with CS&N (naturally Neil couldn't be found) and Geffen, apparently they got Joni herself to comment on.... herself (thanks Austin Powers)....>>> She speaks in-depth about her life as a songwriter/musician/painter, and the inspiration she derives from the joy and pain shes experienced over several decades in the public eye. <<>> The documentary also includes rarely seen footage of Mitchell performing in Greenwich Village in 1967, and footage from 1972 of Mitchell, Jackson Browne, Mama Cass and the early Eagles at an impromptu party. I wonder if this is just a renamed preview of the American Masters program, or something completely different (thanks Monty Python). Here's the whole synopsis, and there are a few cool pics I had not seen before: http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/mitchell.html And you thought I couldn't post JC! RR Doug wrote: > This from CBC "Life and Times" schedule: > http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/sched_tv.html > Feb 25 > Joni Mitchell (Part 1) > Joni Mitchell has been called the most > influential recording > artist of the late 20th century. A rare, > intimate look at a > multi-award winning musician who is as > private and reflective > as the lyrics for which she is celebrated. > Mar 4 > Joni Mitchell (Part 2) > Joni Mitchell has been called the most > influential recording > artist of the late 20th century. A rare, > intimate look at a > multi-award winning musician who is as > private and reflective > as the lyrics for which she is celebrated. > Doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:34:59 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni on CBC ps they also included a link to jmdl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:39:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni on CBC --- Randy Remote wrote: > I may just have to move to Canada temporarily to > watch this. > They call it > A Woman of Heart and Mind: The Life and Times of > Joni Mitchell [...] > I wonder if this is just a renamed preview of the > American > Masters program, or something completely different Funny you should mention it because that's what I think may be the case. They showed an abbreviated version of PWWAM on CBC (I don't remember the name) and I suspect that's what they're doing with this one as well. I also just betcha they won't show it ahead of the American Masters show either - they'll reschedule it. Of course, I'm a cynic. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:47:00 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: What would Joni do? I was anti-intellectual to the max. Basically, I liked to dance and paint and that was about it. As far as serious discussions went, I found them boring. To see teenagers sitting around trying to solve the problems of the world, I figured, all things considered, I'd rather be dancing. This is from a link to some website called Super Seventies. http://www.superseventies.com/ssjonimitchell.html It was a link from the CBC page, and is called "Joni Mitchell - In Her Own Words" . It's Joni talking about Joni. Some of it seems familiar. There is a photo of her with her eyes closed imagining how large she wishes her breasts were. Or maybe I just read that into it....anyway another cool pic I've never seen, though from same photo session as some in Fleisher book. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:02:17 -0500 From: "janine sherman" Subject: JT summer concerts in NE FYI JT fans. Good luck, Janine James Taylor Montage Mountain Amphitheater Scranton, PA Tue, 07/22/03 On Sale Mon, 02/24/03 James Taylor Tweeter Center At the Waterfront Camden, NJ Wed, 06/25/03 On Sale Mon, 02/24/03 James Taylor Hersheypark Stadium Hershey, PA Wed, 07/23/03 On Sale Mon, 02/24/03 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:08:40 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall In a message dated 2/21/2003 7:54:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, jll@tampabay.rr.com writes: (and yes, > Bob, "Astral Weeks" is a masterpiece ... I should have copied you directly on that question - my bad. I still have mixed feelings about it, but at least I can better appreciate it. < seriously thinking about joining you there. Hopefully we can change the perception that Joni-only is the same thing as lurking. So come on over, the water is fine, and Murph's promised not to make a doody in the pool! :~) Can > a box set be put together without including any of the early unreleased > songs as they appear in the Second Fret Sets, etc. Also, should the set be > chronologically compiled? ... thematic by disc? Well, I'd be a LOT more interested in hearing "Officially" released versions of the unreleased stuff, made from master recordings, etc. Surely there are more demos, alternative recordings (Mingus demos anyone?) and such that she could easily fill up a 4-cd box set with that sort of thing. But I certainly don't want to throw a wet blanket on the idea about a comprehensive collection of her already released recordings...I would think you'd almost have to make it chronological to not have it sound uneven and scattered. So how many tracks would be on a 4-CD set? Given the song lengths for Joni, there would probably be about 12 tracks on a disc. What are the top 48 songs at the moment in the JMDL's song poll? That might be a good place to start. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:39:34 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Pickin' on Joni that was done by a local guy, a friend of jeff's named david wilcox...he has done a whole series of of 'pickin on' albums... >>I heard a bluegrass instrumental version of Woodstock on the radio this morning. Don't know if you have this one, Bob- it's from "Pickin' on CSN" (bluegrass versions of their songs). Good dobro. RR<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:44:12 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: PERSONAL INFO ON ANYONE!! ACT NOW!! njc LOL LOL Colin, you're cracking me up today. Must be something in that English spring air. . . Sarah At 12:49 AM +0000 02/22/2003, colin wrote: >>and you'll get details of my UFO encounter >> >well i hope it wasn't like mine...my arse is still sore from all >that probing..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:48:19 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Joni on CBC Newsworld This might be avaliable on cable or satellite in the US. Here's the schedule: http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/sched_nw.html Doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:54:29 -0500 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall From: > In a message dated 2/21/2003 7:54:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, jll@tampabay.rr.com writes: > > (and yes, Bob, "Astral Weeks" is a masterpiece ... > > I should have copied you directly on that question - my bad. I still have mixed feelings about it, but at least I can better appreciate it. > If you keep listenin' to it, I'm sure it'll open itself up to you. Also, if you're interested I'd be happy to send you some of my favorites critiques of the album - plus information on the *making* of the album, which is an astonishing story. Anyway, on to the matter at hand ... I asked: > Can a box set be put together without including any of the early unreleased songs as they appear in the Second Fret Sets, etc. Also, should the set be chronologically compiled? ... thematic by disc? You answered: > Well, I'd be a LOT more interested in hearing "Officially" released versions of the unreleased stuff, made from master recordings, etc. Surely there are more demos, alternative recordings (Mingus demos anyone?) and such that she could easily fill up a 4-cd box set with that sort of thing. > Yes, but my interest is in how the JMDL would like to see Joni presented to "the public" should she release a typical career-scoping box set, a la Clapton's "Crossroads." *Of course* you and I (and everyone else on the JMDL) would prefer a "rarities" box. :-) > But I certainly don't want to throw a wet blanket on the idea about a comprehensive collection of her already released recordings...I would think you'd almost have to make it chronological to not have it sound uneven and scattered. > Dylan's "Biograph" took a non-chonological approach, and it worked. I'm with you, though. My vote would be for a box which begins in 1967 and moves chonologically to conclude in 2003. > So how many tracks would be on a 4-CD set? > I'd think we'd probably get close to 20 songs on the first disc or two. More than 12, anyway. > What are the top 48 songs at the moment in the JMDL's song poll? That might be a good place to start. > Yes, it would. (Where is the song poll archived?) However, in the interests of JC why don't we take it an album at a time and debate it? What songs are absolutely essential inclusions from STAS? Again, think in terms of how to best present Joni's career to "the layperson," with a 320-minute time limit. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:50:58 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: NJC - Move over, Muller & Wally in Beantown woohoo julius, where have you been?! i have missed your presence here... is "about a boy" a movie too? i seem to recall seeing it in the video store...has anyone seen it? recommend it? julius>>Before you expiate yourself in Joni-Only-ville, Smurf, I've been meaning to mention the passages re: SIQUOMB in Nick Hornsby relatively new tome entitled _Songbook_. You may recall that Hornsby also penned _High Fidelity_ and _About a Boy_, << ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:57:00 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Joni and cars She was westbound and rolling on her Hejira when she "pulled in to the Cactus Tree Motel to shower off the dust." Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:02:52 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Peter Tatchell NJC Do you remember when he tried to shove some leading church person out of the pulpit during a big Easter service? -- the Archbishop of Canterbury or the Bishop of London or some such. Precious moments. :-) Or when he last tried to make a citizen's arrest of Robert Mugabe and ended up being beaten up by Mugabe's bodyguards and thrown in the gutter, and then got arrested himself for breach of the peace. I campaigned for him in 1981 when he stood for parliament, but sadly didn't get in. I've always thought he was someone destined for high office, and I think he may still be, although he could probably never tow a party line. The man who beat him in 1981 is still around - a senior Liberal - forgotten his name. Every time I see him on television, I think: "that should have been Peter". Sarah At 1:05 AM +0000 02/22/2003, colin wrote: >Hew as hailed as a hero by a leadin g churchman here. the churchman >was castigated for it. It just isn;t on for a Churchman to extolll >the virtues of a known homosexual. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:01:20 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: joni boxed set? hey jim: i think a few of us did respond to your boxed set thread ... as a matter of fact, i think i'm repeating myself. (one of the attractions of njc for some of us jmdl-lifers is the option not to repeat oneself) still, re a joni boxed set: 1) it should include as LITTLE commercially available material as possible... reasons: i) joni wants it that way. she believes she would lose significant album sales. ii) when joni says her albums should be heard as albums, she's right. the album-length musical creation is something that has existed for only a short while (40 years) and is on its way out. one of joni's greatest achievements is to have mastered and extended the form. a boxed set that rifled the commercial files wouldn't reflect that aspect of joni's artistry, and would cause a lot of people to miss it. forever. 2) there's a terrific, transcendant possible boxed set out there, from commercially not-available and non-album material. the two most important towers of a truly historic boxed set could be: a) the joni and james taylor 1970 bbc show. most of us have heard this, but can you imagine the impact if this was released commercially? i think there is a huge audience for this concert; an audience that is likely to go for a joni boxed-set. two of the most respected 1970s figures, at the top of their artistry. b) the mingus outtakes. we know they exist; joni's mentioned them (in a long, intriguing discussion of the boxed-set idea, somewhere on jmdl.com, i think). we can bet that those outtakes are fantastic, though joni opted against them. and has kept an iron hand on them. but she seems to be letting go of things recently, in the best sense. i'd love to see her let go of these. c) okay, i mentioned two towers, so next would only be outbuildings. still, to fill out a boxed set?: i) the two unreleased songs from "alternate blue". it'd be so nice to find tom rush's original version of 'urge for going' in a joni boxed set, as well. ii) a selection or two from the hissing demos (esp. kazoo-dreamland) iii) either from the 'refuge' video or one of the great 1983 tour tapes, the newer version of 'for free'. it was already a brilliant song and she made it more so. how the hell did she do that? i do have other ideas about a potential boxed set. i think that bob's covers project has unearthed a few gems that cast so much new light on joni that they'd be worthy additions to a special "covers" cd as part of a joni boxed set. these include: robert downey jr. - river bonnie raitt - that song about the midway barbra streisand - i don't know where i stand maybe this is where csny's woodstock, msc's the same; some of the other great covers would end up. i really do see a fantastic, innovative, 4-cd boxed set that could satisfy the conflicting needs of joni and her fans. don't know if it will happen, though... patrick np - silence ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:32:33 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: "Shadows And Light" on DVD-Video Hey Jerry, Thanks for recommending the guy on ebay who almost constantly auctions "Shadows And Light" on DVD-Video. The seller I bought from, "musicculture", shipped immediately. The artwork is much nicer than on my USA VHS tape. In addition, the running time is slightly longer as you have already noted. What I wasn't prepared for was that it looks like it was shot yesterday. I mean, unlike my store-bought VHS version, the colors are true to life, not faded out like ragtime "blues". (Technically speaking, I think the VHS was struck from a faded film print.) But my biggest impression of the DVD is that people look better. It's not that the picture "looks" sharper, although it is. It's just more like "life". It's truer. High, smooth cheekbones look magnificent, as they rightfully should- as if it was shot yesterday. My total cost to have a factory-fresh, world-class, region-free DVD of the finest songwriter of my generation imported to my doorstep from the other side of the planet: $32 including one week express delivery. Naturally I went out and bought a DVD player immediately. Thanks. Lama PS, Margo also looks and sounds pretty darned good too. I've had the Junkies' "open road DVD-Video & live CD" set for awhile but it was Joan who ultimately made me buy a DVD player. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:36:7 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: NJC -About a Boy > woohoo julius, where have you been?! i have missed your presence here... > is "about a boy" a movie too? i seem to recall seeing it in the video > store...has anyone seen it? recommend it? We rented that the other night. I think it was Azeem that said Hugh Grant will be known for his roles in light romantic comedies, which is all I have ever seen him in. He does play that role so well...it's worth renting for a few laughs. Victor NP: the dishwasher - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:54:52 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: SUV's NJC Lori wrote: > My greatest regret about the Tribute is that it has an automatic > transmission (this is another of my pet peeves - I truly believe > everyone should drive a car with a manual transmission unless they are > physcially incapable of doing so). I gotta tell you, I have driven stick for years. My first car was stick, I learned on stick, my current car, (a 97 Subaru), is a stick and now I'm sick of stick. It's terrific for regular driving but last Fall I had "an experience" in San Francisco while driving in the pouring rain one evening. My daughter and I were showing my sister and her daughter some of SF when I stalled on a hill. Even worse, I got distracted, shifted into 3rd and went nowhere. It took quite a few false starts before I was back in operation. The rest of the evening was spent calculating my hill crest approach time to allow minimal hill side stopping. I've gone from driving in SF with ease to just avoiding it flat out in my Subaru. On the plus side, it made it real easy for Santa - "just a new transmission, please!" MG - getting ready to go skiing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 23:47:59 -0500 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Re: joni boxed set? Thanks a lot for your thoughts on a Joni box, Patrick. I recall that you did participate in this thread the first time around, and I really appreciate you taking the time to do so again. Yours was a long post, and contained much that I agree with (most notably, that a tremendous boxed set could be created from commercially-unavailable sources). I hope that others respond to what you've written (so as to get others involved in a JC discussion, for one thing), so I'll refrain from dominating the give and take. There is one argument you put forward that I'd like to address, though. > 1) it should include as LITTLE commercially available material as possible... reasons: > > i) joni wants it that way. she believes she would lose significant album sales. > > ii) when joni says her albums should be heard as albums, she's right. the album-length musical creation is something that has existed for only a short while (40 years) and is on its way out. one of joni's greatest achievements is to have mastered and extended the form. a boxed set that rifled the commercial files wouldn't reflect that aspect of joni's artistry, and would cause a lot of people to miss it. forever. > Without disagreeing with what you've said about Joni and the album form, I contend that the songs *can* be separated from the contexts in which they're placed on the albums. After all, Joni did this in concert throughout her career. For example, in her concerts "A Case Of You" was not a lesser song for not having been surrounded by all the other material on "Blue," played in the order in which it appeared on the album. There are only a few of Joni's albums, in fact, which I believe *do* present a loose narrative, song to song (not that the sequencing isn't almost uniformly excellent). Even in those cases, however, I contend that Joni's artistry doesn't suffer when the songs are heard out of context in the way that, say, The Who's "The Acid Queen" does. Off hand, I can't think of a single song of Joni's which is dependent on its juxtapositions to be fully understood, even on albums like THOSL and "Hejira." I guess I wasn't trying to debate whether or not a boxed set of commercially-available material *should* exist, or whether it would or would not hinder Joni's catalog sales (she could be right that it might - or, it could send people in search of the full albums from which certain songs were taken). I was thinking that it would be a fun project and a whole lot of JC to accept the concept of a "standard" boxed set as a given and then go from there. If the JMDL were compiling a 4-disc boxed set, knowing it would present Joni's career to many who only know her well for "Both Sides Now," "The Circle Game," "Big Yellow Taxi" and "Help Me," what would it contain? How would we pare it down to 320 minutes of music and be satisfied with the portrait it paints? Best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:07:20 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: All eyes on Joni Joni said: "I never wanted to be a star. I didn't like entering a room with all eyes on me. I still don't like the attention of a birthday party. I prefer Christmas, which is everybody's holiday." This really struck a chord with me because as a kid I would leave my own birthday party to be alone. My mom would go all out and plan this big do and then she'd find me two hours into the party up in my room drawing dinosaurs in my sketchbook, or reading Batman comics in the closet, wishing it would all end. I hated being the center of attention and suffering from that "all eyes on you" syndrom. My birthday is two days after Christmas so by the 27th I'm usually ready to pack up my gifts and hibernate for a while. - -Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:15:28 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall (NJC) Jim, Bob, Bob (sounds like a good suthun name) - you are DEFECTORS, the entire lot of you! > I have decided to join the Joni-onlies, like that trailblazer Bob > Muller. So . . . I need a volunteer. Will someone please step forward > and offer to forward to me any posts which may have Joni in Fiction > content, but may have accidentally gotten the no-Joni tag? Hmm ... I can foresee the need for a new filter: JOBWONJC (Joni only but with occasional non-Joni content). > Hopefully we can change the perception that Joni-only is the same > thing as lurking. HAH! Nope, you're all pinko commie lurking defectors now! ; ) You're going to miss the rest of us - just you wait and see!! (On the other hand, Muller may get all caught up on his covers project, since the latest Joni-only digest contained, oh, 17 posts.) Lori, with tongue planted firmly in cheek P.S. - Smurf, I'll watch for Fiction and pass it to you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:17:04 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Things I tried to ignore but couldn't #2 (NJC) > Yeh us on the west coste are just as an intlelljent Hey Randy, don't bogart that thing! Pass it this way ... ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:21:58 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: What would Joni do? > To see teenagers sitting around trying to solve the problems of the > world, I figured, all things considered, I'd rather be dancing. What would Joni do? Fuck it! Tonight I'm going dancing With the drag queens and the punks I've always loved that. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 01:32:36 -0500 From: vince Subject: njc Africa supports France NPR reported this evening that at a meeting of 50 African nations there was unanimous support given to France's position in the UN on Iraq. As we have been keeping track with who is supporting who, I think that having almost all or all of Africa expressing support of France was very cool. I tried to find a link to the NPR story but my real audio player is working tonight and I couldn't find today's story on the NPR web site; they still had posted the story that was reported yesterday (Thursday) on the opening of this conference. Maybe tomorrow today's story will be up. Gage and I saw Lord of the Rings - 2 Towers tonight, finally. We drove to Grand Rapids and spent a few bucks on the more expensive theater, including lots of video games. However, the local theater is still showing Kangaroo Jack so faced with seeing that again, I was happy to drive for 45 minutes, pay 50% more for a movie, and drop $15 on video games just to avoid Kangaroo Jack. Gage also has decided he really likes Jay-Z and 50 Cent, as well as D12. And we played baseball, had a few snowball fights, and rapped and made plans for summer trips to Chicago to see the Sox. When he raps, he has great moves. I hope he is the next great white rapper so he can support me. Well, tomorrow is another day and another 24 hours of thinking of things to do to keep from seeing Kangaroo Jack. Pray for me. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 00:37:11 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: trying Joni only Mark Thanks so much for not mentioning ME in your post. To me that means it must be you know what I am up to and therefore don't need the inuendo or gossip or whatever. Glad to know you are still BREATHING and we have similar topics in mind. And what the FECk is up with 6 ft. under?? And BTW Steve Dulson is a hippie for life now. Also Kakki is better than ever and gave me a couple of nights to remember for the rest of my life (not to mention Croz, Graham, Peev, James, Rogeer (Jim), et. Al.) Paz > Hello people! He's ba-ack! > > I've been listening to Travelogue alot in my car lately, getting > familiar with it and really falling in love with it. Some parts work > better than others but overall I think it hangs together pretty well. > It's a wonderful re-interpretation and expansion of some fantastic > songs. That's what I think anyway. > > Tonight I loaded 'Blue', 'Court and Spark', 'Hejira' and 'Wild Things > Run Fast' into my cd wallet. Travelogue is making me want to explore > Joni all over again! I got a headset for my phone at work, have > started going to the gym again and my shoulder and neck are much > better. I guess I couldn't stay away forever. So I decided to try > out Joni-only for awhile. If there are any interesting posts on the > following njc topics: > > movies (in particular 'The Hours', 'Chicago', 'Adaptation' or 'The Two > Towers') > Six Feet Under > Judy Collins > Billie Holiday > Laura Nyro > cats > dogs > the sex life of the JMDLer > Wally K's vital statistics > Steve Dulson's double life as an agent in HMSS > Kakki's never-ending close encounters with LA celebs > Bob Muller's backside > Ashara Stansfield - international woman of mystery > the Happily Ever After True Life Story of Mags and Brian > Colin's canine ashram > Steve Polifka's first world tour > Victor's latest cd > Big Walt's Tales of the City > Patrick Leader's Tales of THE City > the John Low Down Under Follies > the Lori Fye Annual Marathon > Jim L'Hommedieu, *the* Cowboy Junkies junky > Debra Shea's first exhibit at the Guggenheim > the publication of Mary Pitassi's new novel, 'A Life by the Lake' > Heather's first annual Judy-fest > Deb Messling winning the Nobel Prize > Phyliss & Bob Ward's grand opening of 'Pottery World in Bakersfield' > Scott Price winning the Pulitzer Prize for his seminal work 'Joni > Mitchell - A Philosophical Examination of a Cranky (But Great) > Poet/Musician/Singer/Composer/Artist' > Sherelle Smith's first concert at Carnegie Hall > or any juicy tidbits of gossip that anybody cares to pass on > > if you think of me and have the time, I would love it if you would > take the time to cc me or forward it to me. > > That's all for now. I'm glad to be back and look forward to seeing > you in my Inbox REAL SOON! > > Mark E. in Shoreline Which Is Just North of Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 00:46:58 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Randy Remotes post on politics,Jackson Browne plus admin and paperclips NJC Hi Lucy I have been reluctant to post this but I know someone (very well) that is family with Jackson Brown, who told me that the whole hoopla about the Joni song about Jackson is BS and out of kilter with reality. SHE said that there Were times when things were strained ugly and shit flying, but that he never laid a hand on her. I am NEVER one to post about her personal life (or Jackson's for that matter), but seeing how I found this out in the last couple weeks I thought I would share it cause I hate reading the shit about her personal life in judgment (or his). Thanks for reminding me that he IS someone really sensitive and beautiful just like our Joan. Best Paz P.S. People should NEVER take songs to be reality nor two dimensional discussion to be the end all word on truth. Thanks > The Jackson Brown song that "does it for me" about all these world Issues, and > underlines your posting........(I hope I got your words..it gets complicated > when you are answering to someone who has copied bits on from other > mails.....) Anyway they were......... > > ......^I agree. As Jackson Browne sang, there are lives in the balance. > To carry on as if we're not tempting Amageddon is kind of like > fiddling as Rome burns.^....... but the song is "How Long" > > I type from memory the particulary pertinant verses > > "When you look into a child's face > And you're seeing the human race > The endless possibilities there > Where so much can come true > And you think of the beautifual things > a child can do" > > "when you think of the money spent > one defence by each governement > And the weapons of destruction we build > we're so sure that we need > And you think of the millions, and millions > That money could feed...... > > How long can you hear someone crying > How long can you see people dying > before you ask yourself why > And how ling will we hhear people speaking > About missiles for peace, and just let it go by > How long will they tell us these weapons are keeping us free > Its a lie....." > > I am sure you all know the song. I have a few issues about Mr Browne's > personality traits as reported in various journals but he rights a blindingly > good song with those pugnacious fists!!! > > It is a beautiful day here and I have just returned from the beach with the > dog and he is snoring at my feet and I have tons of admin to do today.. > > I hate paperwork... Every time I think about having to get on with the > paperwork..... the MOnty Python Sketch where Mr Melluish comes in and says > "Morning Enid" ... in a nasal voice and she replies in an equally nasal voice > "Morning Mr Mellhuish" and he says "Paperclips arrived yet" and she says > "Yesssss" and he says "gooooood" springs to mind....... Ah well.... I will > just crank up the music and ignore the phone!!! > > Good things to all of you > Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 00:52:05 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: jonifest sweater njc DON't fecking hold back Colin! Tell us how you really feel. I recall someone saying how fecking beautiful it was, perhaps the winner spent tooooooo much money at the bar and did not recall it was made with such love and devotion. It was fecking beautiful! I would have posted if I would have one it (but even so it would have been tooooooo fecking small for me) Paz (friends should not...... Hee hhee > It has been 6months now since the last Fest. The winner of the sweater > has not contacted me. i had to write and ask someone who had won it. It > doesn't bother me that the sweater is not wanted. What bothers me is the > lack of respect in not even letting me know you won it and that you > didn't want it. > Of course, i could be way out line and you have been icapacitated since > the day of the raffle..... > > The sweater would not have been like Maggie's -we decided between us > what she wanted. As I would have with the new winner. > > now that is off my chest.... > > bw > colin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 00:54:40 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall ONLY if I hit the lottery. I tried my damnest to get the girl to book some JMDL people or New Orleans folks from the PazFest CD, but I guess she "HATED IT!~!!!!!!!!!) I really WOULD like to go! If you do hope you have a good time! Love Paz > --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote:Thanks for signing back > on, Mark...another reason for me to stick around, > which I was looking for. > >> Bob > > Oh no, Bob - were you thinking of jumping ship all > together? I switched to Joni only recently too. But > sometimes scan the non-joni-only archives - like a bad > habit I can't drop (I can think of worse habits, > though). I have been wondering if the nature of the > JMDL has been changing, since some longtime listers > are switching to joni-only - or is this just a natural > cycle of the list. > > Did you say you were thinking of coming up north for > Wall to Wall Joni. I'm thinking of going too. I'm > curious, is anybody else making the trip to the big > apple for the free show? > > Jenny > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #134 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)