From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #122 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, February 17 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 122 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- beck njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Open email to the peace movement NJC ["ron" ] Music discoveries, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: beck njc [Deb Messling ] Re: beck njc [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Chomsky final (njc) ["kasey simpson" ] Re: beck njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: this flight tonight and taylor ham [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Music discoveries, njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: njc. "IRAQ what if" yeah I know I'm fed up with talk of War as well. [Freddyb4@aol.] Re: Music discoveries, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Music discoveries, njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni mention on VOD ["kerry" ] Re: Joni mention on VOD [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Joni mention on VOD - now njc [Gerald Notaro ] RE: Joni mention on VOD ["Heather" ] More on Joni's Guitars ["paul@anglesnet.com" ] Re: Joni mention on VOD [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Joni mention on VOD - now njc ["kerry" ] Re: More on Joni's Guitars [Dan Olson ] Re: Joni mention on VOD ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] Joni's guitars ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: More on Joni's Guitars [Steve Polifka ] Re: Joni mention on VOD - Joni songs for a snowy day [Catherine McKay ] Elusive Dreams (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Joni songs for a snowy day ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: More on Joni's Guitars [Dan Olson ] Re: Elusive Dreams (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni songs for a snowy day njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: Joni songs for a snowy day njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Elusive Dreams (NJC) ["gene mock" ] Re: Open email to the peace movement NJC [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: njc "IRAQ what if" [sl.m@shaw.ca] RE: beck njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Pazfest - a New Orleans tribute to Joni Mitchell - review [Catherine McKa] Re: Music discoveries, njc [dsk ] Re: Pazfest - a New Orleans tribute to Joni Mitchell - review [Murphycopy] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 00:04:45 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: beck njc can anyone tell me... what was the name of the the song beck played on saturday night live last night? mesmerizing...please cc me as i may not see this on the list, thanks! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:02:38 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Open email to the peace movement NJC hi sl.m@shaw.ca wrote >>>>This is from an open email to the peace movement written by Rania Kashi, the 19-year-old Iraqi student living in the UK. >>>>numerous examples of saddams policies. please dont confuse the two issues. anti war is most definitely not pro saddam. tho somepeople are trying extremely hard to make it that way. i dont think that anyone has too much doubt that saddam is a dictator. even south park figured that out. the really sad point is that hes probably not the worst dictator in the world today. i also find some of the statistics there quite hard to swallow, and prepared on an emotional, gut reaction level. (i dunno - maybe its the only way to accurately present it) anyhow - why should iraq be "liberated" (and probably find themselves worse off) and not all the other countries in the world today?? experience in africa has shown that many politicians who opposed regimes/dictatorhips are even worse than their predecessors. the fact that they stand against tyranny doesnt necessarily make someone a good person, it may just indicate that he has recognised a platform he can use for political advantage. who appointed bush sheriff of the free world. there are even serious questions as to how he won the election himself. i have to agree with madiba. bush has no foresight, and the route he is taking will plunge the world into chaos. some muslims in this country have taken an agressive stance as to their reaction in the event of war, and indicated their intention to come out fighting, and label the war as a religious war. so there we go. back to the crusades again. ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:37:05 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Music discoveries, njc This weekend was a double hitter as far as finding great music. The newly released Ry Cooder & Manuel Galban: Mambo Sinuendo is absolutely beautiful. Though it's Cuban music, it's very different from Buena Vista Social Club. The melodies are already haunting me since yesterday. Surely there will be a lost of praise in the media, and it's most deserved. That's it, can't resist any longer: gotta go to Cuba next year and check out the music joints. A 2001 release I just discovered is: Blind Boys of Alabama: The Spirit of the Century. David Lindley plays most tracks, and on some he's replaced with John Hammond, and there's Charlie Musselwhite on harp. All these backing band members are band leaders with their own. Also a splendid Danny Thompson on bass. Don't know much about him except his famed duo albums with John Martyn. The Boys themselves, have been together since 1939, the notes say, but their singing is very fresh. In fact, in addition to traditional gospels, they also cover songs by Ben Harper, Tom Waits and Jagger/Richards. Magnificent album, drenched in feelings and emotions, as good as Ry's IMHO. Honorable mention to Chris Robinson, an american who recorded his 1st album in France. Like a modern Nick Drake/Lennon/Ryan Adams. Van Morrison: I love most of his albums. I think Astral Weeks is great but in a way I agree with SC Bob that perhaps it's not a masterpiece in the true sense of the word. For me, Van's masterpiece is the 90's double CD: Hymns To The Silence. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:56:48 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: beck njc I saw him do "Lost Cause." It's from his "Sea Change" album, and the whole album is mesmerizing. I bought it unheard because of JMDL recommendations. Thanks, guys! At 12:04 AM 2/17/03 -0800, you wrote: >can anyone tell me... what was the name of the the song beck played on >saturday night live last night? mesmerizing... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/03 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:16:46 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: beck njc And just wait until you hear his Good-bye Pork Pie Hat in the near future! Jerry Deb Messling wrote: > I saw him do "Lost Cause." It's from his "Sea Change" album, and the whole > album is mesmerizing. I bought it unheard because of JMDL > recommendations. Thanks, guys! > > At 12:04 AM 2/17/03 -0800, you wrote: > >>can anyone tell me... what was the name of the the song beck played on >>saturday night live last night? mesmerizing... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:16:36 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: Chomsky final (njc) Debra No, this is what I said: In my message last Thursday, 2:04 pm: "Right after 9/11, one of the first thoughts from Cheney was "Great. Now we can finally go after Iraq."" In my message last Friday, 4:55 pm, I said that my use of the word "thoughts" was incorrect and then wrote: "It does show there was already a plan in place regarding Iraq that they could latch onto, and that the WTC loss could be fit into that plan, and people's mourning about that played upon. And it has been." There's nothing about oil in those messages, is there? If you want to argue with my view that part of the reason for this war is to gain access to Iraq's oil, then do that. Me You are correct, oil was not mentioned in either post, however both lend to an ulterior motive other than those outlined by Bush. > I believe Kakki said she had read some of his works. Debra From Kakki's Friday, 12:06 pm message: "I cannot think of any enlightenment I would personally get from reading him." Me On 2/15/03 in a post to Kate Kakki also said "Chomsky was someone I read right after 9/11 whose words hurt me in the worst way." Sounds clear to me she's read some of his works. Debra Sounds very clear to me. Relying on reviews of Chomsky's work written by a right-wing think tank is not the same as reading his words. Of course right-wing writers would present his work in the worst possible way. Being aware of and honest about the bias of what one's reading and quoting does not seem as important to some other people as it does to me. So, this "Chomsky" point is not something to argue about anymore. > I realize you want to support everything Kakki (and Sarah) have to say, > and constantly needle me every chance you get. Both attitudes are a bit > simple-minded, don't you think? > Me > See again you assume. You realize nothing. Mind reading again? Debra No, mind reading's not required here. All's obvious just by reading your unpleasant messages over the last few months since you joined the list, most of them full of sneering sarcastic remarks, with you making rambling comments about things you half remember and half understand. Your tone is usually so nasty I've never paid much attention to what you have to say (and have probably missed some of your needling), and will start completely ignoring your messages as soon as I send this. Me Debra, Unfortunately one of my short comings is I find it hard to turn the other cheek. I have responded to people as they have to me. There are many on this list I don't agree with but only a few that I have become sarcastic to. Most though I disagree with them I do respect their views, and appreciate their in put to the discussions. > I do agree with Kakki, and Sarah on many things, not all. I wasn't > trying to support Kakki as much as I was trying to hold up a looking > glass for you. Debra Thanks for your offer to be my teacher. I think I'll pass on that. ME > You are doing much of what you accuse others of. Debra Yeah, right. Attempted zinger duly noted. Now, move on, Kasey. Playtime's over. Debra, I truly am not trying to teach you anything. I'm attempting to show you why I react to you as I do. Because of your tone, and your sarcasm. But you are correct, I will block your e-mails as others have Kasey Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:29:52 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: beck njc In a message dated 2/17/2003 3:04:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > can anyone tell me... what was the name of the the song > beck played on > saturday night live last night? mesmerizing... Didn't see it, Kate...wish I had! I checked his website this AM to see if there was a report, and I didn't see that there was. BUT I did see that you can stream the whole "Sea Change" there: http://www.beck.com/news/index.php Just in case you haven't picked it up yet... I listened to my copy of Sea Change 3 times this weekend. Bob NP: Jethro Tull, "Hymn 43" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:34:00 -0500 From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: this flight tonight and taylor ham The Birthday Blizzard Gal writes: > Well I just wanted to say that I also took this semi-literal...one of Joni's talents is to mix metaphors and create these kind of double meanings where you can take what she says literally and it makes sense or you peel back the > shades of meaning and find many more MG: I'll take it one step further, (mostly because I'm procrastinating about the start of Moanday and the work week right now), and say that the next few lines always seem to solidify my firt image. "It wasn't the one that you gave to me, that night down south between the trailers..." In conjunction with my literal take on "falling star burn up..." I saw this as being Joni and David Crosby and her first album when he took on the role of "producer" but only to allow her to not be a victim of industry producers who might not "get" her. Crosby gave her a "star," aka "stardom." MG - posting NTHC right now. (No Taylor Ham Content) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:38:24 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Music discoveries, njc In a message dated 2/17/2003 8:37:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, olszer@xlsecurity.com writes: > A 2001 release I just discovered is: Blind Boys of Alabama: The Spirit of the Century. I've been on the verge of getting this one for awhile, Laurent. Thanks for pushing me off the fence - I've only read GREAT things about it. > Honorable mention to Chris Robinson, an american who recorded his 1st album in France. Like a modern Nick > Drake/Lennon/Ryan Adams. I'm sure you know that Chris is/was the lead singer for Black Crowes, the modern day band that does classic rock better than most 70's bands did it. Haven't heard his solo record, I'll have to put it on the ol' radar screen. This time of year is usually always a slow one for new releases so it is appropriate to go back and get the stuff I missed. Bob NP: Tull, "Wind Up" PS: Thanks for copying me on your post, Laurent...as I am Joni only I would not have seen it otherwise, and I DO love to chat about music. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:29:39 EST From: Freddyb4@aol.com Subject: Re: njc. "IRAQ what if" yeah I know I'm fed up with talk of War as well. Just been listening to the radio, talk of bringing down the Government, bringing down Blair, it would seem in order to survive Blair will have to follow the line of other European countries, the most interesting point made, one that I agree with, and one that many anti - war cannot deny is true. America could, and probably would go it alone, and depending on the outcome, there will be varying degrees of condemnation, BUT ! If Bush suddenly decides to hold back, maybe withdraw troops, it would send shock waves around the World, the reason being that how ever much they protest, everyone, including most of the Islamic World wants to see Saddam brought down, because as long as he is around they must live in fear. Should this happen, then he would gain support and in time Saddam (most seem to agree) will make a move against neighbouring countries, but the prime target will be Israel, Ibm sorry to say it, but Americas support of Israel is the major thorn in the side of the Arab World, and in the last few years my sympathy has moved over to the Palestinians, but that is an other story. Lets say America backs down to World opinion, the troops are back home, Saddam refuses to let inspectors do their work or throws them out,. And then he moves into Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, which he could easily do, would Syria want to fight? Despite their War, Iran may wish to join forces, Israel would be there for the taking. What should America and Britain do, because we know who everyone will be looking to for support "Mr President, European parliamen t on the line, Saddam has cut off all supplies of oil to Europe, they want to know what you are going to do" " Tell them I will call later, Tony and me are just gonna play a little golf" Maybe the UK and US should sign a deal with Saddam, I wonder if anyone would object, no War, cheap oil, and no other Arab state would even think of stepping out of line. All "What If", all nonsense, but I am sure it is true, many of these Countries protest in public, but privately their thoughts are far different. If only "Stormin Norman" had been left to complete the job, what a mistake that was ! FRED ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:50:11 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Music discoveries, njc > > Honorable mention to Chris Robinson, an american who recorded his 1st album in France. Like a modern Nick > > Drake/Lennon/Ryan Adams. > > I'm sure you know that Chris is/was the lead singer for Black Crowes, the modern day band that does classic rock better than most 70's bands did it. Gee, I'm so into music of my generation (same as yours) that I've actually never heard the Black Crowes, although I knew of them. So no I didn't know who Chris was. Not as indispendable as the other 2 releases mentioned. Have you heard the latest Blind Boys (without David Lindley, et al I think)? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:17:47 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Music discoveries, njc In a message dated 2/17/2003 10:50:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, olszer@xlsecurity.com writes: > Have you heard the latest Blind Boys (without David > Lindley, et al I think)? The Only Blind Boys I've heard is their stunning cover of Richard Thompson's "Dimming Of The Day" on the Thompson tribute CD 'Beat The Retreat', certainly cause to investigate their music further. Bob NP: Tull, "Aqualung" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:46:31 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Joni mention on VOD I was watching a re-run of Vicar of Dibley on PBS last night and there was a Joni reference. They had just had a funeral for one of the characters and Hugo was complimenting Geraldine on the service: Hugo: I particularly like that quote from Johnnie Morris. Geraldine: I think you'll find that was Joni Mitchell Hugo: That's right, "Don't it always seem to go, you don't know what you've got till it's gone." Anyone else a fan of this show? A certain lister from NZ has given me so many new addictions. First, French and Saunders and now Vicar! (Not to mention Crunchie bars, hokey pokey, and pineapple lumps!) Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:56:55 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni mention on VOD Kerry writes: << I was watching a re-run of Vicar of Dibley on PBS last night and there was a Joni reference. >> This Joni reference (and well over a hundred others) is in the Joni in Fiction section of the JMDL site, Kerry! But keep those references coming because any day now Joni is going to stumble upon the site and call me to tell me how much she loves it! --Bob, waiting for his niece Kerry to arrive with her baby Nicholas so we can go get supplies for the Blizzard of '03! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:16:20 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Joni mention on VOD - now njc Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > > --Bob, waiting for his niece Kerry to arrive with her baby Nicholas so we > can go get supplies for the Blizzard of '03! Now you know what it was like to have lived in Buffalo for 30 years. Jerry, now in St. Petersburg, FL where it is 71 degrees and sunny ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:38:36 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Joni mention on VOD Oh yes!! The Vicar of Dibley is a good one! We have most of the shows on tape and I vaguely remember this Joni reference. Our local PBS stations have taken Vicar out of the Brit Com line up on Saturday nights. boo hoo. Have you seen French and Saunders "At the Movies"? What a riot! Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of kerry Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:47 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni mention on VOD I was watching a re-run of Vicar of Dibley on PBS last night and there was a Joni reference. They had just had a funeral for one of the characters and Hugo was complimenting Geraldine on the service: Hugo: I particularly like that quote from Johnnie Morris. Geraldine: I think you'll find that was Joni Mitchell Hugo: That's right, "Don't it always seem to go, you don't know what you've got till it's gone." Anyone else a fan of this show? A certain lister from NZ has given me so many new addictions. First, French and Saunders and now Vicar! (Not to mention Crunchie bars, hokey pokey, and pineapple lumps!) Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:42:17 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Joni mention on VOD Bob writes: --Bob, waiting for his niece Kerry to arrive with her baby Nicholas so we can go get supplies for the Blizzard of '03! ________________________________ We have 7" of snow here in southern CT and this blizzard is far from over! Nothing to do but throw another log on the fire. Maybe I'll bake a pie. Let's see ... what Joni CD shall I put on to cook by? Any suggestions? Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:49:32 -0800 From: "paul@anglesnet.com" Subject: More on Joni's Guitars Greetings all: In the eBay post for Joni Mitchell's Ibanez George Benson, I neglected the serial numbers. They are B825576 for the body and 4589 for the head. In doing some research, I find that the "B" indicates that it was manufactured in February and the "82" is 1982. So it definitely was *not* used to record "Hejira", although she did use it on tour. I also wanted to show you a close-up of one of the others that we'll be selling. http://www.anglesnet.com/jonimitchell02/JM04-7.JPG look closely between the frets. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul D. Angles | Marketing & Strategy paul@anglesnet.com | 310-704-9448 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:55:18 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Joni mention on VOD Joni's not very domestic. Better put on Judy Collins" Cook With Honey. Jerry Heather wrote: > Bob writes: > > --Bob, waiting for his niece Kerry to arrive with her baby Nicholas so > we > can go get supplies for the Blizzard of '03! > ________________________________ > > We have 7" of snow here in southern CT and this blizzard is far from over! > Nothing to do but throw another log on the fire. Maybe I'll bake a pie. > Let's see ... what Joni CD shall I put on to cook by? Any suggestions? > > Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:04:34 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Re: Joni mention on VOD - now njc Yes! I ordered it from Amazon. It's hilarious! I've also seen last year's Easter special. They did their own version of Lord of the Rings. Check out this website: http://www.frenchandsaunders.com/dynamic/specials/Easter2002/ It's worth it for the pictures alone! Kerry NP: Dave Dobbyn - Hopetown - ----- Original Message ----- From: Heather To: kerry ; Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:38 AM Subject: RE: Joni mention on VOD > Oh yes!! The Vicar of Dibley is a good one! We have most of the shows on > tape and I vaguely remember this Joni reference. Our local PBS stations > have taken Vicar out of the Brit Com line up on Saturday nights. boo hoo. > Have you seen French and Saunders "At the Movies"? What a riot! > > Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:19:18 -0700 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: More on Joni's Guitars I see nothing unusual BETWEEN THE FRETS. Are you suggesting that we look closely AT THE PICKUPS (which appear to be incredibly corroded)? Incidentally, THIS one DOES look like the one(s) she used on S&L, and looks like it got a lot more use than the sunburst one currently on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2508437444). At 08:49 AM 2/17/2003 -0800, you wrote: >I also wanted to show you a close-up of one of the others that we'll be >selling. >http://www.anglesnet.com/jonimitchell02/JM04-7.JPG >look closely between the frets. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Paul D. Angles | Marketing & Strategy >paul@anglesnet.com | 310-704-9448 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:16:05 -0500 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Re: Joni mention on VOD "Joni's not very domestic. " but she has been known to kick domestics -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:50:47 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni's guitars I've been investigating this matter and found the following: * The Ibanez currently on ebay is an 82, so it couldn't have been the S&L one. * Westwood Music is going to auction on ebay several more of Joni's guitars (Ibanez George Benson + other models) in the coming month, one after the other. So several of us may have a chance at this. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:43:06 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: More on Joni's Guitars Apparently you did not look close enough! ;-) it says JONI MITCHELL CLEARLY ON A METAL PLATE... sTEVE At 10:19 AM 2/17/03 -0700, you wrote: >I see nothing unusual BETWEEN THE FRETS. Are you suggesting that we look >closely AT THE PICKUPS (which appear to be incredibly >corroded)? Incidentally, THIS one DOES look like the one(s) she used on >S&L, and looks like it got a lot more use than the sunburst one currently >on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2508437444). > >At 08:49 AM 2/17/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >>I also wanted to show you a close-up of one of the others that we'll be >>selling. >>http://www.anglesnet.com/jonimitchell02/JM04-7.JPG >>look closely between the frets. >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Paul D. Angles | Marketing & Strategy >>paul@anglesnet.com | 310-704-9448 > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:58:47 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni mention on VOD - Joni songs for a snowy day --- Gerald Notaro wrote: > Joni's not very domestic. Better put on Judy > Collins" Cook With Honey. > Heather wrote: > > We have 7" of snow here in southern CT and this > blizzard is far from over! > > Nothing to do but throw another log on the fire. > Maybe I'll bake a pie. > > Let's see ... what Joni CD shall I put on to cook > by? Any suggestions? MMMMmmm, pie... failing domesticity, I think you should do Joni weather songs, so you're going to have to choose from a number of albums - there's lots of weather references but here's a few for ya: - - Come in from the cold - - Paprika Plains (such sky-oriented people) - - Rainy night house - - Little green (remember those crocuses? they're coming back one of these days!) - - River (to skate away on) - - Let the wind carry me (or maybe not!) - - The hissing of summer lawns (soon we'll be bitching about how hot it is) - - Hejira (snow gathers like bolts of lace; white flags of winter chimneys waving truce) - - Dreamland (we can all dream, can't we?) - - The wolf that lives in Lindsey (for its howls of wolves and wind) - - My secret place (for its shelter from the storm) - - Moon at the window (because even though you can't see it, it's still there) - - Night ride home (to remember crickets) - - Sunny Sunday (unlike snowy Monday) - - Urge for going (by golly, yes!) - - Stormy weather - - Winter lady (if you have it) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:07:03 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: More on Joni's Guitars --- Dan Olson wrote: > I see nothing unusual BETWEEN THE FRETS. Are you > suggesting that we look > closely AT THE PICKUPS (which appear to be > incredibly > corroded)? Incidentally, THIS one DOES look like > the one(s) she used on > S&L, and looks like it got a lot more use than the > sunburst one currently > on ebay > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2508437444). There is something between the frets but it's hard to view on the picture as posted since you can't get in close enough. I had to save it as on my PC and then try to get a close-up. Between the top frets (top meaning on the body of the guitar itself), I think it says "Joni Mitchell" (carved into mother-of-pearl or shell). Between a number of the others, there is what looks like shell or mother-of-pearl or something like that) but I can't figure out whether it's supposed to be a design of some kind. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:12:27 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Elusive Dreams (NJC) Well folks, try as I might - and I REALLY wanted this - the 90% mental did not beat the 10% physical ... or perhaps it was 5% physical, as it was just my right knee that gave up. I felt some annoying but slight pain at 10 miles or so, and it was a little worse at 17 miles. By the 19th mile, my knee simply would not bend to run. I walked on to Mile 20, then tearfully called it quits. I'm disappointed that I didn't make it to the Finish line to hear the crowd yell "BILLY!" as I had my brother's name on my singlet, but that disappointment will fuel my determination to do this again. (I'm also disappointed because there was our girl Donna "Tush" Binkley, scanning the incoming participants for me ... I walked up behind her instead, and we had a very nice couple of hours at the Acme Oyster Bar with her friends from Mobile.) Next time I'll be more diligent in my training (I'd slacked off at times, and more than I should have), and I'll do more cross training so my knees will be stronger, and I'll be "lighter" on my feet (30 pounds less would be a good thing). Once more, thanks to all of you who helped me get here to try my best, and to raise money to help those living with HIV and AIDS - that's really the most important part of this entire effort. Writing from a cyber cafe on Toulouse St in the Quarter ... with love to all of you, Lori cant wait to hear all about the run... i want details!!!! :-)))))))) Im so excited, it's as if Im running too..oh yea, I am , I said I would didnt I? so proud of you Loori Running Cloud you rock!!!!!!!!! love, Moogs You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - - JM Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:15:21 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Joni songs for a snowy day definitely hejira! it is such a wintry album. i am furious! i'll arrive in boston on thursday and the forecast says highs in the mid-30's!!! that's outrageous. i was expecting a subzero morning and it turns out that it will be practically a spring day. the only dramatic thing weatherwise is a coastal flood watch for eastern MA. how dull! wallyK, who would give anything to be at heather's now, snowed in and eating pie. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:29:11 -0700 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: More on Joni's Guitars Yes, by golly, I see it now. All of the other inlays are standard for the guitar; they are an indication of the fret location (called "fret markers"). A similar "name tag" is even more visible in this photo from the one currently on ebay (http://anglesnet.com/jonimitchell02/Images/JM02-8.JPG), but it says "George Benson" instead of "Joni Mitchell". At 01:07 PM 2/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: >... Between the top frets (top >meaning on the body of the guitar itself), I think it >says "Joni Mitchell" (carved into mother-of-pearl or >shell). Between a number of the others, there is what >looks like shell or mother-of-pearl or something like >that) but I can't figure out whether it's supposed to >be a design of some kind. > >===== >Catherine >Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:26:15 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Elusive Dreams (NJC) --- Lori Fye wrote: > Well folks, try as I might - and I REALLY wanted > this - the 90% mental > did not beat the 10% physical ... or perhaps it was > 5% physical, as it > was just my right knee that gave up. The important thing is - you gave it your best shot. And there's always next year (ouch!) I have the same problem with my knees, especially the right one and it hurts most when I'm going DOWN stairs (not up though.) If you find anything out about what you can do about that, I'd love to hear it. I understand it sometimes relates to the muscles on one side of the knee and leg being stronger on one side than on the other, so if that's the case, I guess you need something to improve the muscles on the *other* side so they're balanced. It all has to do with balance, as so few of us are naturally "balanced" - there are times I wonder how we humans manage to stand up and walk at all! On the other hand, if the cartilege is shot, I'm not sure what a person can do other than joint replacement, but I hope there are better ways, as joint replacement is a bit extreme at such a young age. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:27:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni songs for a snowy day njc --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > definitely hejira! it is such a wintry album. > i am furious! i'll arrive in boston on thursday and > the forecast says highs > in the mid-30's!!! that's outrageous. i was > expecting a subzero morning and > it turns out that it will be practically a spring > day. Mid-30s? I trust you're speaking Fahrenheit - mid-30s Celsius means "get out the sunscreen and the air conditioner, baby"! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:31:00 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: More on Joni's Guitars --- Dan Olson wrote: > Yes, A similar "name tag" is even more > visible in this photo from > the one currently on ebay > (http://anglesnet.com/jonimitchell02/Images/JM02-8.JPG), > but it says > "George Benson" instead of "Joni Mitchell". Hmm, wonder how Joni got hold of George Benson's guitar. ;) I wonder if Joni will ever get her own Joni-Mitchell-signature guitar like so many other artists have, that might be a little more affordable for the average schmo like me who couldn't possibly hope to compete in some kind of auction-thingy for something that - Joni - Mitchell - actually - TOUCHED!!! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:34:05 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni songs for a snowy day njc yes, it's F degrees. we're talking US weather. i wonder if they use fahrenheit anywhere else in the world. mid-30's is about 4 or 5 degrees celsius, barely ten degrees lower than today in buenos aires. the funny thing is that it will be cold UNTIL thursday, and then steady in the mid 30's. how ironic. w - -----Mensaje original----- De: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Enviado el: Lunes, 17 de Febrero de 2003 03:28 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz; Heather CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Joni songs for a snowy day njc --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > definitely hejira! it is such a wintry album. > i am furious! i'll arrive in boston on thursday and > the forecast says highs > in the mid-30's!!! that's outrageous. i was > expecting a subzero morning and > it turns out that it will be practically a spring > day. Mid-30s? I trust you're speaking Fahrenheit - mid-30s Celsius means "get out the sunscreen and the air conditioner, baby"! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:39:52 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Joni songs for a snowy day njc --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > yes, it's F degrees. we're talking US weather. i > wonder if they use > fahrenheit anywhere else in the world. mid-30's is > about 4 or 5 degrees > celsius, barely ten degrees lower than today in > buenos aires. the funny > thing is that it will be cold UNTIL thursday, and > then steady in the mid > 30's. how ironic. Oh well, you are on the opposite side of the world, aren't you? where toilets flush the *other* way. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:48:13 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: RE: Joni mention on VOD/NJC really - --- Heather asked: > ________________________________ > > We have 7" of snow here in southern CT and this blizzard is far from over! > Nothing to do but throw another log on the fire. Maybe I'll bake a pie. > Let's see ... what Joni CD shall I put on to cook by? Any suggestions? Yes Heather, I suggest, Blueberry or Cherry, I really don't like Apple - see how un-American I am! LOL! That was a joke! Oh you meant suggestions for Joni. Well if you make the blueberry pie - play Blue, If you make the cherry, play something cheery like Chelsea Morning! How will you be getting a slice to me though? Home from work & celebrating Prez Day! Peace, Susan NP: Diana Krall/East of the Sun Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:03:38 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: Elusive Dreams (NJC) lori congratulations, 20 miles is about 20 miles more than i have ever run/walk/crawl before-----you should be proud of yourself. work on your quads, drop some weight, and its back to the mental game. 20 miles, whew!!! i just get tired thinking about it. good job. take care gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Fye" To: Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:12 AM Subject: Elusive Dreams (NJC) > Well folks, try as I might - and I REALLY wanted this - the 90% mental > did not beat the 10% physical ... or perhaps it was 5% physical, as it > was just my right knee that gave up. I felt some annoying but slight > pain at 10 miles or so, and it was a little worse at 17 miles. By the > 19th mile, my knee simply would not bend to run. I walked on to Mile > 20, then tearfully called it quits. > > I'm disappointed that I didn't make it to the Finish line to hear the > crowd yell "BILLY!" as I had my brother's name on my singlet, but that > disappointment will fuel my determination to do this again. > > (I'm also disappointed because there was our girl Donna "Tush" Binkley, > scanning the incoming participants for me ... I walked up behind her > instead, and we had a very nice couple of hours at the Acme Oyster Bar > with her friends from Mobile.) > > Next time I'll be more diligent in my training (I'd slacked off at > times, and more than I should have), and I'll do more cross training so > my knees will be stronger, and I'll be "lighter" on my feet (30 pounds > less would be a good thing). > > Once more, thanks to all of you who helped me get here to try my best, > and to raise money to help those living with HIV and AIDS - that's > really the most important part of this entire effort. > > Writing from a cyber cafe on Toulouse St in the Quarter ... with love > to all of you, > > Lori > cant wait to hear all about the run... i want details!!!! :-)))))))) > > Im so excited, it's as if Im running too..oh yea, I am , I said I would > didnt I? > > so proud of you Loori Running Cloud > > you rock!!!!!!!!! > > love, Moogs > > > > > > You open my heart, you do. > Yes you do. > - JM > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:54:50 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Open email to the peace movement NJC Ron, you say that anti-war is not pro-Saddam, but without a war, he will stay in power, so anyone demonstrating against the method of removal, when no alternative exists, is de facto demonstrating against the removal itself. I didn't see a single placard during any of the demonstrations condemning Saddam Hussein. I don't recall any mass demos in the West in support of the Iraqi people during the last 30 years of their oppression. Why suddenly demonstrate now when their liberation finally looks possible? The Moslem groups invited to take part in the marches in London were from extremist organizations that are so right wing you normally wouldn't want to associate with them. Ordinary Iraqis and Iraqi democratic opposition groups were not invited, just as they're not invited to any of the anti-war meetings in London. They're silenced in Iraq and ignored by a peace movement that pretends to care about the Iraqi people, yet doesn't even want to hear them speak. You said Iraqis would probably be worse off if liberated. How could they be worse off? Sarah At 1:02 PM +0200 02/17/2003, ron wrote: >please dont confuse the two issues. anti war is most definitely not pro >saddam. . . why should iraq be "liberated" (and probably find >themselves worse off). . . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:16:58 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: njc "IRAQ what if" Fred, not sure what you mean by Blair having to follow the line of other European countries. I believe eighteen countries in Europe support the war. Six oppose it. Three are neutral. At 9:29 AM -0500 02/17/2003, freddyb4@aol.com wrote: >it would seem in order to survive Blair will have to follow the line >of other European countries ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:10:09 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: beck njc >>BUT I did see that you can stream the whole "Sea Change" there: http://www.beck.com/news/index.php<< thanks deb, bob & jerry ...i haven't been able to access his website yesterday or today (don't know why)...so i went to listen on amazon ( a couple snippets of some songs)- deb, 'lost cause' sounds beautiful...i think the song i heard on SLN was 'i guess i'm doing fine'...(goosebumps just from the music) i've heard bob & others say how much they liked this album (sea change) & now that i've heard some tidbits, i finally understand! i've resisted because i'd seen him open for neil young a few years back- he played a solo set but it wasn't that compelling to me & everything he played sounded the same... but i will definately get this album, thanks! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:12:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Pazfest - a New Orleans tribute to Joni Mitchell - review I dont as a rule care for Joni covers. At least, I thought I didnt. I suppose I could be prejudiced. No one, I thought, could possibly sing Joni Mitchell the way Joni Mitchell herself could do. So, what about if someone sang Joni Mitchell their own way? Pazfest, the two-CD set of live all-Joni music recorded at the Howlin Wolf, New Orleans May 28, 2000, is an eclectic collection of Joni Mitchell music sung and played many different ways. As always with such things, I have my own personal favourites, the ones that stand out for me in some way or another. The first CD starts out with John Parkers take on I think I understand (you cant go wrong with that, in my book anyway, but add to it a voice like John Parkers, and maybe you will understand!) followed by his version of Both Sides Now. You may have heard BSN sung by a multitude of different voices from the sublime to the ridiculous, but I can guarantee youll be singing along with John and having a good time while youre at it. The duo of Danzig and Wooley (Im sure they do have first names) performs The Priest and Trouble Child using some amazing-sounding stringed instrument (I cant figure out exactly what instrument that is, but whatever it is, it sure sounds nice!) You may think if you hear yet another version of Big Yellow Taxi, youll scream, but John Rankin does a very fun, very snappy, all-instrumental version here and makes it brand new again. On to Disc 2 and some of my very favourites - Kim Prevost and Bill Solley with a cool and jazzy version of Woodstock, followed by Both sides now. Kims version of Woodstock is most likely my favourite in the whole 2-disc set. Following that are two by the Denise Marie Band, Blue Motel Room and Furry sings the blues. Denises vocals on Blue Motel Room are right up at the top of my favourites list. Following is a set by the jmdls own Michael Paz, with his smooth and dreamy vocals on Amelia and Hejira, with an amazing solo in between the two by Beth Patterson, playing one of those weird stringed instruments (could be a banjo, but it sounds fuller than a banjo). Whatever it is, its lovely. The second CD ends with a set by Bryan Thomas and his band. Now, if youve heard Bryans singing and guitar playing on his own two CDs, Ones and Zeroes and Radio Plastic Jennifer, you might understand my saying that Bryan has one of those voices that makes you think, Whoa, this guys voice is way too naked! Put some clothes on it or something! If you took bits of Hendrix and Prince and Jeff Buckley and you mixed them all up in some kind of molecule munching machine and then put them all back together into one person, you might end up with a Bryan Thomas (or maybe not.) Bryans guitar is amazing and he seems to have a lot of fun with words. (In Black Crow he sings, Theres a crow flying hes black as a highway, hes as black as me; and later, I took a plane to a highway, then I drove to a pontoon plane. Took a plane to a taxi - big yellow taxi, just like this train. If you couldnt be in New Orleans on May 28, 2000, what would be the next best thing? The Pazfest CD of course. And in acquiring for yourself and your friends a copy of this excellent collection of live music, you will also be helping out a number of worthy causes, including jmdl.com, jonimitchell.com and the Ruth Paz Foundation, a foundation that helps children in Honduras receive medical treatment they would not otherwise receive. Information on where and how to order Pazfest were recently posted by Michael Paz, but you can also find it at www.jmdl.com - right on the first page. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:22:37 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Music discoveries, njc Laurent Olszer wrote: > > A 2001 release I just discovered is: Blind Boys of Alabama: The Spirit of the > Century.... > Also a splendid Danny Thompson on bass. Don't know much about him except his famed > duo albums with John Martyn. Danny Thompson also performs and records often with Richard Thompson (no relation). His bass adds depth and mysteriousness to RT's straightforward, sometimes twangy, style. Songs like "Ghost of you walks" are downright eerie because of Danny's bass playing. He's on the new RT cd, and even has a bass solo. Another person who's on the new Blind Boys and RT cds is Michael Jerome. He's a fantastic drummer who I heard for the first time at RT's "1,000 years of popular music" shows last July. He does a lot of "hand drumming", with extra beats thrown in kind of like RT's unexpected flourishes, which makes the sound very rich. I don't usually pay much attention, or know much about, drummers and yet Michael Jerome's sounds really captured me. I'd expect he'd add a lot to the Blind Boys cd also. > Magnificent album, drenched in feelings and emotions, as good as Ry's IMHO. I'll check this out. Thanks very much for the description and recommendation. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:28:51 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pazfest - a New Orleans tribute to Joni Mitchell - review Catherine writes: << I don t as a rule care for Joni covers. >> Why not just take out a gun and kill poor Bob Muller . . . (Oh yeah, I forgot that Canadians don't have guns!) << Pazfest, the two-CD set of live all-Joni music recorded at the Howlin Wolf, New Orleans May 28, 2000, is an eclectic collection of Joni Mitchell music sung and played many different ways. As always with such things, I have my own personal favourites, the ones that stand out for me in some way or another. >> I have said it before, BUY THIS. It truly is wonderful. And I hear that for an extra 50 cents per 2-CD package, Michael will PERSONALLY LICK YOUR PURCHASE. Also, if you have friends who don't like Joni (and who doesn't?) they may very well like her music and words as performed by some of these great performers. And best of all, as Catherine reminds us . . . << in acquiring for yourself and your friends a copy of this excellent collection of live music, you will also be helping out a number of worthy causes, including jmdl.com, jonimitchell.com and the Ruth Paz Foundation, a foundation that helps children in Honduras receive medical treatment they would not otherwise receive. Information on where and how to order Pazfest were recently posted by Michael Paz, but you can also find it at www.jmdl.com - right on the first page. >> ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #122 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)