From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #119 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, February 16 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 119 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: self-confession njc [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: self-confession njc [sl.m@shaw.ca] self confession njc ["ron" ] RE: self-confession njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: NJC feb 16!!!!! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: self confession njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Affirmation NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: war (njc) [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Give Peace a Chantz njc [colin ] no more war NJC [colin ] Chart success ["Paul Headon" ] Re: My Joni Valentine - NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] change of mind NJC [colin ] sad day NJC [colin ] Re: sad day NJC ["kasey simpson" ] Re: NY Times Review of BSN [Bobsart48@aol.com] Chomsky homophobic? njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] lyric question 100% JC!! (This Flight Tonight) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Chomsky homophobic? njc [colin ] Re: Chomsky njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Chomsky homophobic? njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: war (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] Passions running high (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Joni songs on piano [Howard ] Re: self confession njc ["ron" ] Re: NJC feb 16!!!!!! [Michael Paz ] This Just In Jazz Fest Schedule (LONG) [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni's guitars [Bobsart48@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:20:45 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: self-confession njc I would say that "self-confessed" might mean confessed to self, not just confessed. In other words, you say it of yourself, and you've admitted it to yourself, and you're facing up to it, not ashamed of it. . . something like that. Sarah At 12:00 AM -0800 02/16/2003, David Marine wrote: >OK Wally -- > >I actually appreciate having my mind taken off the war thread with all its >gravitas. Your logic is sound and I have been unable to find an on-line >dictionary that expalins how the admittedly awkward word came to be >accepted. All I am saying is that if a word is in the dictionary, one >should feel free to use it. I would argue that one should feel equally free >to use words not in the dictionary, but that is another thread... > >Best, > >David > >on 2/15/03 10:27 PM, Wally Kairuz at wallykai@fibertel.com.ar wrote: > >> i disagree. it is misusage. how can one confess something if one doesn't >> confess it oneself? can someone confess something for someone else? >> wallyK, wondering whether this chomsky person everybody's talking about is >> the famous linguist whose books i had to study in my youth. >> >> -----Mensaje original----- >> De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de David >> Marine >> Enviado el: Domingo, 16 de Febrero de 2003 01:21 a.m. >> Para: Murphycopy@aol.com >> CC: joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: Re: Chomsky njc > > > > > > Self-confessed IS a word, and was properly used. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:35:04 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: self-confession njc Kakki, Hitchens is a homophobe (confessed, self-confessed and other-confessed), and a misogynist to boot. As Colin said, it was always pretty hard to see what he meant when he called himself leftwing. But he's stopped doing even that now. I liked Chomsky's linguistics too, and I liked one of his political books - The Manufacture of Consent, which describes how newspaper editors will tend to employ people who are like them, and so certain ideas are passed down from one generation of journalists to another, and not changed. Any dissent will tend to come from the outside, not the inside. I'm not sure I agree with him, as some newspapers will hire journaists they disagree with just to spice up the news organization, but it's an interesting book. Hitchens was good during the first Gulf War. He had a brilliant exchange on CNN with Charlton Heston who for some reason had been wheeled out by the Republicans to defend the war. Hitchens said, well if you're going to bomb a country, the least you can do is know where it is. So, he asked Heston, where is Iraq? And then asked him to name all the countries Iraq shares a border with, and of course Heston couldn't do it, and sat there stuttering and going all red-faced with fury, waiting for the camera to be taken off him, but CNN kept filming and Hitchens kept saying: "well, okay, if you can't name them all, name three . . .er, two? . . .one??" Sarah At 10:30 PM -0800 02/15/2003, kakki wrote: >Yes, he is and I actually agree totally with his linguistic theories! > >I am sorry to hear about Hitchens being a self-confessed, confessed or >professed homophobe. I did not know that. Just when I was enjoying my small >crush on him. Damn. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 11:31:41 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: self confession njc hi wally wrote >>>i disagree. it is misusage. how can one confess something if one doesn't confess it oneself? can someone confess something for someone else?<<< >>>david replied> >>>Your logic is sound and I have been unable to find an on-line dictionary that expalins how the admittedly awkward word came to be accepted. All I am saying is that if a word is in the dictionary, one should feel free to use it. I would argue that one should feel equally free to use words not in the dictionary, but that is another thread... since when has english been logical ??? ;-) actually - i always kinda took "self-confessed" to mean a voluntary confession, i.e. to confess to something when no one is looking for a confession. but maybe its just another example of bad english passing into everyday use. like killing something dead. or "misusage" instead of "misuse" :-) ron np - john mellencamp - human wheels ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 06:13:57 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: self-confession njc but isn't that the definition of *confess* (if we know that someone is a self-confessed something, then the confession is or has been made public, not only to oneself, so i find the prefix superfluous). maybe the part about not being ashamed justifies the *self* at the beginning? try "he's a confessed alcoholic", and then, "he's a self-confessed alcoholic". don't you find they mean the same? wallyK, not splitting hairs, just very fond of english. - -----Mensaje original----- De: sl.m@shaw.ca [mailto:sl.m@shaw.ca] Enviado el: Domingo, 16 de Febrero de 2003 06:21 a.m. Para: David Marine; Wally Kairuz; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: self-confession njc I would say that "self-confessed" might mean confessed to self, not just confessed. In other words, you say it of yourself, and you've admitted it to yourself, and you're facing up to it, not ashamed of it. . . something like that. Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 04:15:24 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC feb 16!!!!! happy feckin birthday cindy !!!! love you, rosalita rockin in nj My my, hey heyRock and roll is here to stayIt's better to burn outThan to fade awayMy my, hey hey.Out of the blueand into the blackThey give you this,but you pay for thatAnd once you're gone,you can never come backWhen you're out of the blueand into the black.The king is gonebut he's not forgottenThis is the storyof a Johnny RottenIt's better to burn outthan it is to rustThe king is gonebut he's not forgotten.Hey hey, my myRock and roll can never dieThere's more to the pictureThan meets the eye.Hey hey, my my. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 06:18:12 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: self confession njc misusage is different from misuse. misusage refers to the general occurrence of a misapplication whereas misuse is the specific instance of a misapplication. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de ron Enviado el: Sabado, 01 de Enero de 2000 06:32 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org CC: davidmarine@mindspring.com; wallykai@fibretel.com.ar Asunto: self confession njc but maybe its just another example of bad english passing into everyday use. like killing something dead. or "misusage" instead of "misuse" :-) ron np - john mellencamp - human wheels ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:28:11 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Affirmation NJC NJC...well really it should be JC as it is a love of Joni that has brought us to this virtual meeting place. Thank you Vince, once again for your words of sense. VINCE HAS WRITTEN..... ............strong words and emotions in the times when we have deep and serious issues that confront us, life and death issues such as war and injustice, may not be avoided - .......but losing touch of human connectedness as friends in these times is to lose purpose of caring for peace and humanity to begin with -...." There are few people I would ever allow to talk on my behalf in issues of "not losing sight of why we are here on the list" but Vince , on this score you may do so.... My very first post talked about Sateesh Kumar and his peace walk from the grave of Ghandhi to the grave of JFK. When I talked to him he reminded me that any of us, however high we rise, or however humble we be are only human.... ploiticians are only men or women.... take them out of their job, or sit them alone with no trappings, they are all only human... Amidst all our point making let us not lose sight of the fact that that is what we are..........humans...... existing precariously on a tiny blue-green planet. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 01:46:07 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: war (njc) In hopefully a final "somewhat" friendlier explanation ... Kakki wrote: > You can't see what I meant and choose to personalize it. Are you suggesting I am obtuse? JK! Loving the reoccurrence of that word here these days and trying to keep it rolling. But seriously I do personalize it - you bet Kakki! But no more than I have seen you do here and take it so hard sometimes. Not that I am trying to make it personal, but we BOTH do take it that way - LEO! Kakki wrote: I was trying to defend where I am coming from since Mary was questioning me. When you have posted often about your motivations being love and peace and understanding, have I or others ever leapt out at you with outrage and said "who are you to accuse us who disagree with you of being hateful, warmonging peace-destroyers?" Seems I do recall a lecture to me about why that (peace,love & understanding) was such a pipe dream - so it may not have been outrage but I felt it was condescending. In fact without bringing up old stuff, I was a little insulted at the way that was handled but I chose to let it go. And I don't even like that I brought it up now, except to say, from opposite sides we're not that different. Although I really think many things implied or inuendos are IMHO worse than speaking directly and plainly, because I feel that particular method weakens trust. I said: > > How dare anyone imply that I am anti-American. > Kakki said: > For the 50th or so time, I do not think you or anyone else here protesting a > war are anti-American. What I would consider anti-American sentiment would > NOT be related Americans here dissenting war. How stupid of all of us, cause how many here now have felt that implication? You probably don't mean that, just as I don't remember directly calling you a war monger but maybe I did. Again innuendos and implications Kakki. Your ire at our negativity of America's war position is personalized in your repsonses. This isn't to say tit for tat, but I see little understanding from your side til you are faced, then I feel you become passive/aggresive in your rebuttals. So while my style and emotion may not suit you, yours irks me as well. Again, I remember a time when you and I could agree to disagree, but I am beginning to wonder if I was just dreaming that or maybe I was quieter and more emotionally weak in those early days. I would like to think we could still do that, but there is definitley an air of mistrust here these days. And that is sad. Kakki: Now if Osama himself was on > here ranting "death to America," I would not feel it was improper to make > the charge against him. Nor would I. But somehow, and again it would not be fair to discount our feelings either, many here felt you made that implication or correlation. Some by the way, much smarter & better educated than I! Now as I have tried not to be "too" inflamatory, let's hope we can move forward ... and ask ourselves ... What IS so funny bout peace, love and understanding? Doh! Guzzi you just can't keep your mouth shut - can you!? In all seriousness ... Peace, Susan NPIMH: Imagine all the people sharing all the oil you whooo ... Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:52:34 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Give Peace a Chantz njc kakki wrote: >. > >I give people here a lot of credit for being intelligent and vocal. I take >that to mean that we can disagree on issues strongly without being demonised >or wedged into a box. > > > lets hope so. I think it is usually the case. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 10:15:24 +0000 From: colin Subject: no more war NJC This war thread is upsetting a lot of people. Maybe to cool things down a bit we could go back to discussing religion or sexuality...... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:50:08 -0000 From: "Paul Headon" Subject: Chart success Hi Joni Big Yellow Taxi enters the UK singles chart at No. 16 . You can't keep a good song down it seems :-) Best wishes, Paul Headon Wales - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 07:58:44 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: My Joni Valentine - NJC In a message dated 2/15/2003 6:02:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy writes: > And thanks for the lovely Hallmark Valentine, the big ol' heart-shaped box > of candy, and most of all, for the roses. > Wait a minute...you mean they haven't delivered the Lexus yet? ;~) Bob, very impressed that you ended your note with a Joni record title! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 13:47:02 +0000 From: colin Subject: change of mind NJC I have always been against war.. I have always been against any war. I am and always will be against abusers, tyrants, bullies. My main objection to this coming war is my fear that it will make matters worse for us all. So although I would like to say that my main fear is for the people of Iraq and the innocnets who will be killed, I would be dishonest to say that. My main fear is for me and my loved ones. The peopl of Iraq are living with terror everyday. Many of theirs are being killed all the time. No war and the killing and terror will continue. It might not stop even after the war. It now seems to me, there is not an alternative. As Saddam and his crowd cannot be gotten rid of thru assination, what is left? As the people of Iraq are not able to rise and depose him themselves, what else can be done? I have listened to a young woman today who is UK raised by Iraqi refugees. She is pro war. I understood why she was and came to the miserable conclusion she was right. Many are dying already. She is fully aware that her loved ones, friends and relations might be killed in this war. She also knows they all live in fear of being killed anyway by Saddam. I used to live in area which was controlled by thugs. People were terrorised. There was a conspiracy of silence, no 'grassing' to the poilce. No nothing. No one stood up. We did and we left the area because we had to for our own saftey. That area will stay like this because the people have not the will to change it. They don't want to 'rock the boat' and make things worse. Fear keeps them in their place. Many people know that abuse goes on in families and they trun a blind eye to it.They are afraid of the repercussions. Hence children die or ar scarred for life. I just realised I was being a hypocrite, I wanted nothing to be done because of my own fear. That shames me. I have always stood and been counted and exhorted others to do so when it comes to children. Now when the chips are down, i do not keep my money where my mouth is. I HATE the idea of this war. I HATE war.I HATE suffering. I HATE to see others suffering while the rest of us do nothing. This is a sad time and frought with danger. And I think we are going to have to do what needs to be done. I am well aware that is not the reason, probably, that Bush and Blair want this war. I doubt very much they give two hoots about the Iraqi people. However, this is chance for those people to be free and lets pray they do not allow themselves to be subjucated like this again. and I also pray that we in the west stop interfering in the ME, which is the cause of all this in first place. Even tho i have changed my mind, would I go and fight? No. i am a coward. I'd freak at the very idea. I wouldn't even get there before I was a wreck. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 13:53:16 +0000 From: colin Subject: sad day NJC It is with great with regret that i have made the desion to put my dog, Kevin, to sleep. His behaviour is becoming more and more erratic and dangerous. This morning he nearly killed on of my girls, Martha, fo no obvious reason. Besides, he shouldn't do it anyway and it is most unusaul for a male to attack a female like this anyway. He cannot be trusted with children and he must be kept on a short tight lead when out because he lunges at people and dogs. Upon consultation with my vet and a behaviourist, I have come to the conclusion that he must be put to sleep, i mean killed. Awful and I so wish there was another way. But there isn't. He can live a very restricted lfe, spending most of his time in a cage. Or i can pass the problem on to somoene esle.Niether of these is a good or honorouble alternative. shit bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:08:01 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: sad day NJC Colin, You've started my day out in tears. I am so very sorry. Kasey It is with great with regret that i have made the desion to put my dog, Kevin, to sleep. His behaviour is becoming more and more erratic and dangerous. This morning he nearly killed on of my girls, Martha, fo no obvious reason. Besides, he shouldn't do it anyway and it is most unusaul for a male to attack a female like this anyway. He cannot be trusted with children and he must be kept on a short tight lead when out because he lunges at people and dogs. Upon consultation with my vet and a behaviourist, I have come to the conclusion that he must be put to sleep, i mean killed. Awful and I so wish there was another way. But there isn't. He can live a very restricted lfe, spending most of his time in a cage. Or i can pass the problem on to somoene esle.Niether of these is a good or honorouble alternative. shit bw colinGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:45:29 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: NY Times Review of BSN Michael O'Malley reminded us: > Admittedly, I am a great fan of BSN and I don't necessarily share all his > views, especially about ACOY, but it was great fun getting his take on this > somewhat controversial album. > > See it again here at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=454 > > Yes, this review (by Stephen Holden) is what a review from the NY Times ought to read like. (This in stark contrast to the hideous embarrasment submitted by one John (?) Rockwell on Travelogue and actually published by the Times - instead of trashed, as it should have been. I have not forgotten.) Bob S. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:45:49 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Chomsky homophobic? njc This doesn't seem very likely, and would be completely out of keeping with his liberal views, which are not exactly secret! I seriously doubt he's a homophobe, especially in the absence of any evidence. The quote below, while incomplete and not properly referenced (I couldn't find the actual citation, although it came up in an article on the subject of homophobia), seems to ring more true. The point is, even if it's an inaccurate quotation, I couldn't find any quotes or even credible references that would support the allegation that he is homophobic. "Homophobia inhibits appreciation of other types of diversity, making it unsafe for ... immigrants and aliens, the more you control all the people.b - -Noam Chomsky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 10:33:19 -0500 From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: lyric question 100% JC!! (This Flight Tonight) Ohmigosh, I have a JC post IN FULL! What are the odds? This lyric came up" > Look out the left", the captain said, > "The lights down there that's where we'll land." > I saw a falling > star burn up > above the Las Vegas > sands. > It wasn't the one that you gave to me... etc Lama wrote: > I never "got" that she saw a falling star . I can imagine> that the air above the desert, like the air ......... Now MG: For a long time, I always view that line as semi-literal and took "falling star" to mean a once famous persona and "Las Vegas Sands" to mean quite literally the Sands Resort in LV. Thus, "I saw a falling star burn up above the LV Sands" hit my head as "above" being the marguee where the headliners are the lead neon names and then there's smaller and smaller print until you see: "And playing in our Taylor's Ham Lounge: Tony Orlando and Dawn." Then again, this is the gal who thought that Brooks Robinson and Frank Robinson of MLB fame were twin brothers......... MG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:01:28 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Chomsky homophobic? njc I didn't notice anyone saying this, although I could ahve missed it. We were talking abut Christopher Hutchins, or at least I was..... AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: >This doesn't seem very likely, and would be completely out of keeping with >his liberal views, which are not exactly secret! I seriously doubt he's a >homophobe, especially in the absence of any evidence. > >The quote below, while incomplete and not properly referenced (I couldn't >find the actual citation, although it came up in an article on the subject of >homophobia), seems to ring more true. The point is, even if it's an >inaccurate quotation, I couldn't find any quotes or even credible references >that would support the allegation that he is homophobic. > >"Homophobia inhibits appreciation of other types of diversity, making it >unsafe for ... immigrants and aliens, the more you control all the people.b >-Noam Chomsky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:01:42 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Chomsky njc davidmarine@mindspring.com writes: << Self-confessed IS a word, and was properly used. >> Really? I always thought "self-confessed" was incorrect, or redundant at best. Now if only I had paid more attention in school instead of self-masturbating all the time . . . --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:07:41 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Chomsky homophobic? njc In a message dated 16/02/2003 16:01:45 GMT Standard Time, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > I didn't notice anyone saying this, although I could ahve missed it. We > were talking abut Christopher Hutchins, or at least I was..... > > Whoops, mea culpa. It was indeed Hitchens who was described as homophobic. Azeem in London NP: Scotland v Ireland ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 08:20:24 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: war (njc) Hi Sarah. Sorry for the delay in replying. I've been away for a few days. Sarah wrote: But the Pentagon says this will be a new type of warfare - a war against infrastructure, not people. I can't know whether that's true, but their descriptions make sense, and it does seem possible. How can one destroy infrastructure (buildings and roads, for example) without destroying the people in or on them? Sarah said: The aim is to take over the country with virtually no loss of innocent life, rule it for one year, then hold elections. Democracy requires education. From what I understand, the country (Iraq) is not at a point politically or socially where democracy would succeed. As for this being some sort of "smart war" in which no one gets hurt, if that were the case, why have we amassed 160,000 troops in the area? To watch? Sarah wrote: Our intentions, unlike theirs, are decent. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. It's not the intention that's important. It's the impact. If you drive drunk, but don't mean to hit the little kid crossing the street, well, hey, your intentions were good, right? Sarah wrote: Those of you who say 'it's about oil' should spell out what you mean. It has turned into a chant that no-one understands. I reiterate that the U.S. interest in the Middle East is based primarily on petroleum. I can't find the exact quotes, but this comes directly from Donald Rumsfeld, who has offered the prospect of Saddam Hussein controlling 10% of the world's oil as enough reason to attack. (both now and back in 1991) I've seen videotape of interviews on PBS in which he states this unequivocally. Sarah wrote: What is it about the Iraqi people that makes them unworthy of being liberated? How many of you who are anti-war have spent time with one single Iraqi in your entire lives? I've heard various people from Iraqi exile groups interviewed. I do get a sense that they want Saddam Hussein gone. And, yes, I am sure that his is a reign of fear and torture. BUT to be honest, I don't see signs of revolt in Iraq. Perhaps this sounds harsh, but if someone isn't willing to stick their neck out for freedom, why should we send in troops to do something we're not entirely sure the people want in the first place. In the American Revolution, people were willing to take up arms, and die for freedom. Yes, we got assistance from France. But they joined the colonists who were already committed to their cause. I just don't see anything like that happening in Iraq. I value Iraqi lives equally with American, or French, of German, or whatever lives. Sarah said: If George Bush wants oil, let him have it. Who cares? Oh, so it IS about oil after all? Sarah wrote: Those of you who oppose this war should suggest a viable alternative. In a word, education. If I had my way, every U.S. citizen would enlist for public service for 2 years, much like the former draft, although pretty much everyone (except those with disabilities) would be required to do this. One could serve within the U.S., or abroad. Instead of sending soldiers, we'd send teachers, also people in trades, that sort of thing. Instead of destroying, we'd build, farm, and learn and do so alongside any given country's people. We would be careful not to subsume a culture. Sarah wrote: They [Iraqis] deserve to be liberated, and I honestly can't see why anyone would deny them this for the sake of anti-war rhetoric. It's not for the sake of rhetoric. It's for the sake of saving lives. It's also for the sake of finding a true, long term solution, one that the Iraqi people can support and sustain. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:26:20 -0500 From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Passions running high (NJC) I'm not too sure where I'm going to be going with this post so forgive me if it rambles. My coffee isn't done yet. I've been reading the digest more frequently than I have in months mostly because of the quality of the posts regarding the war and the current political scene. I always come away amazed at the intelligence of my fellow JMDL members. Khakki, you especailly amaze me. I may not always agree with what you think or how you express it, you but you do put out an opportunity for me to make sure I have both sides of the discussion. Indeed, you make it downright easy for me because you provide so many lnks and quotes. Kate, Debra and others,too, constantly provide my iliterate intellect with high quality food for thought. I don't think that I've ever said how appreciative I am of the time and trouble that you take to post your thoughts and opinions. For that now, I say thanks. I have been on this list since nearly the beginning and a non-digest, swinging both sides member at that. (down people, I mean JC and NJC!!). So I've seen the flow of passions and how certain things can fall over without as much as a reply from anyone to threads that spark passions not seen since the days that the Mets won the World Series. Within this there has always been list members that have felt intimidated to post their opinions. I don't think that anything will change that. The make up of this list is that, all opinions are welcomed but you had better be prepared to present them succiently and armed with facts. To speak only for yourself and avoid gross generalizations. Sometimes I think that if you do feel intimidated, you need to look at what you'd like to express and make sure it's packing the necessary punch in terms of support. That my personal philosophy and from that, I've always felt that the intimidation issue needs to be personally resolved by those who feel that way. Active list members are smart. Sharply so. It's like an advanced intellectual aerobics workout so you need to warm up, stay hydrated and hang in there. Sermon stop. Coffee ready. Must go now. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:22:01 +0000 From: Howard Subject: Re: Joni songs on piano This reply is about 2 weeks late (I've just moved house, still catching up!). Apologies if this one has already been answered. "Sarah Cartwright" writes: >Totally agree on your praise for Howard's 'For Free' . I would recommend >his rendition of 'Blue' aswell - that is really beautiful and is a real >pleasure to play. Fred wrote: >Who is Howard? Where can I hear his renditions? Just to make it clear, I think Sarah was talking about the transcriptions of these Joni piano songs that I have done and which are available at the guitar tabs area at www.jmdl.com/guitar (go to the search function and look for "type: piano music") I haven't made any recordings of these songs myself. When I'm able to play them well enough, and without too many mistakes, I might think about that too! regards, Howard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:21:39 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: self confession njc hi wally i stand corrected :-) still sounds strange tho - i never heard that usage before!! ron >>>Wally wrote >>>misusage is different from misuse. misusage refers to the general occurrence of a misapplication whereas misuse is the specific instance of a misapplication. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:13:30 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC feb 16!!!!!! To The Queen of Birmingham- May you have a fecking wonderful Birthday! You should have come to the big easy to celebrate this weekend. I will toss one in your honour this evening with a nice Paella. Give my love to your wicked side kick and follow that up with a great big pat on the patoot. Big hugs to you both. Love Paz > happy birthday, Cindy!!!! > see you in august, wonder girl! > love, > wally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:42:55 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: This Just In Jazz Fest Schedule (LONG) Good Morning World! The Sunday after Valentines is always especially sweet cause it is the day the Fest Schedule comes out and I start to hear who is coming to visit and which weekend. Here is what we know so far: For a more complete list of what is happening and other info please see: http://www.nojazzfest.com Hope everyone is having a wonderful weekend. Best Paz P.S. Sorry to the Joni onlys but I made an executive choice and figured you might be able to get the Joni Content in there somehow (and there is some)! NP-Love Will Find A Way-Yes "In A Word" Box Set These are the evening shows: CROSBY, STILLS & NASH YOUSSOU N9DOUR AND THE SUPER ETOILE DE DAKAR Friday, April 25 - 9:00 p.m. * * Morris F.X. Jeff Municipal Auditorium Louis Armstrong Park BOB DYLAN LUCINDA WILLIAMS Saturday, April 26 - 9:00 p.m. * * Morris F.X. Jeff Municipal Auditorium Louis Armstrong Park MICHAEL FRANKS ANGELA BOFILL Saturday, April 26 - 8:00 p.m. * * Mahalia Jackson Theatre of Performing Arts Louis Armstrong Park WIDESPREAD PANIC NORTH MISSISSIPPI ALLSTARS Friday, May 2 - 8:30 p.m. Morris F.X. Jeff Municipal Auditorium Louis Armstrong Park Club Shows Sunday, April 27 - 8:00 p.m. Jazz at the Palm Court NEW ORLEANS CHICAGO EXPRESS Featuring Franz Jackson, Sammy Rimington, Mark Braud, Fred Lonzo, James Singleton and Ernest Elly presented by LARS EDEGRAN Palm Court Jazz Cafi 1204 Decatur Street Tickets: $35 Monday, April 28 - 8:00 p.m. Jazz at the Palm Court SAM BUTERA & THE WILDEST Palm Court Jazz Cafi 1204 Decatur Street Tickets: $35 Tuesday, April 29 - 8:00 p.m. Jazz at the Palm Court SAM BUTERA & THE WILDEST Palm Court Jazz Cafi 1204 Decatur Street Tickets: $35 Saturday, May 3 - 8:00 p.m. Jazz Fest and House of Blues present La Noche Latina CARLOS VIVES Y LA PROVINCIA ALMAS House of Blues 225 Decatur Street Tickets: $50 An Evening With INDIA.ARIE and MUSIQ Saturday, May 3 - 9:00 p.m. * * Morris F.X. Jeff Municipal Auditorium Louis Armstrong Park Tickets: $45, $35 at the Fairgrounds Thursday April 24, 2003 Fats Domino, Lucinda Williams, Allen Toussaint Jazz Project, Vernel Bagneris Tribute to Jelly Roll Morton, Ivan Neville, Louisiana LaRoux, Duke Dejan9s Olympia Brass Band, James Andrews, Leigh 3Little Queenie2 Harris, Luther Kent & Trickbag, New Orleans Klezmer Allstars, Wild Tchoupitoulas, Anson Funderburgh & The Rockets with Sam Myers, The Famous Rocks of Harmony, Hackberry Ramblers, The Violinaires, Steady Rollin9 Bob Margolin Allstar Jam featuring Pinetop Perkins and Willie 3Big Eyes2 Smith, Lizz Wright, Tish Hinojosa, Manuel Obregon y la Orquestra de la Papaya, Revealers, Red House Singers, Dash Rip Rock, Southern Sons, Bag of Donuts, Batiste Brothers, Big Al Carson, Joe Blakk, China Redd, Kenny Neal, La Volle de Castros of Canada, Carolina Tuscarora Smoke Dancers, Quintology, Patrice Fisher & Arpa w/ guests Chiko & Rogerio of Brazil, Bonerama, Topsy Chapman, Andrew Hall9s Society Brass Band, Doug Duffey, Christian Scott, Butch Mudbone, Clancy 3Blues Boy2 Lewis with Sheba Kimbrough, Kerry Grombacher, Dibert Elementary School Performers, Dillard University Jazz Ensemble, Family & Friends Gospel Ensemble, Family Ties and Friendly Five SAPCs, Goldman Thibodeaux & the Lawtell Playboys, Porgy Jones, Hack Bartholomew & Spread the Word, Howard Pink & his Musical Garden Hoes, June Gardner & the Fellows, Chapman Family, Kim Prevost, Kostini, Kumbuka African Drum and Dance Collective, Eleanor McMain High School Choir, New Orleans Blend Chorus of Sweet Adelines International, New Orleans East Steppers, New Orleans Spice Jazz Band, Paula & the Pontiacs, Providence Tones of Joy, Scotty Hill9s French Market Jazz Band, Tommy Wildcat, Travelling Troubadours, True Believers . Friday, April 25, 2003 Dirty Dozen, Bob Dylan, Galactic, Clarence 3Gatemouth2 Brown, Cyril Neville & the Uptown Allstars, Jo-El Sonnier, Spencer Taylor & the Highway QCs, Duke Robillard, Jon Cleary & the Absolute Monster Gentlemen, Lil9 Band O' Gold, Lady B.J. Crosby, Chico Hamilton, James Rivers Movement, New Orleans/Chicago Express feat. Franz Jackson and Sammy Rimington, Jimmy & Syl Johnson, Marce & Toumpak of Martinique, Garage a Trois, Troy 3Trombone Shorty2 Andrews, New Orleans Nightcrawlers Brass Band, Gregg Stafford9s Jazz Hounds, U.N.O. Gospel Choir, John Lee & the Heralds of Christ, Pfister Sisters, Jeremy Lyons & the Deltabilly Boys, Al Belletto Big Jazz Band, Alison Brown Quartet, Belton Richard & the Musical Aces, Free Style Nation, Butch Mudbone, Clive Wilson9s New Orleans Serenaders w/ Butch Thompson, Doc Paulin's Dixieland Jazz Band, Golden Star Hunters Mardi Gras Indians, Gregg Martinez, Algiers Steppers, Irie Vibrations, J. Monque'D Blues Band, Leroy Jones, Charles Jackson & the Jackson Travelers, Jambalaya Cajun Band, Javier Tobar & Elegant Gypsy, Jay East, Jerry Beach, Tondrae, Lil' Buck Sinegal, L.S.U. Jazz Ensemble, Arlee & David & Roselyn, Michael Ward, Moise & Alida Viator w/ Eh la-Bas!, St. Mark9s Treme Jazz Ensemble, Tommy Wildcat, Morning Star Baptist Church Mass Choir, NewBirth Brass Band, Original Thunderstorm Brass Band, Panorama Jazz Band, Percussion Inc., Pilotland Rollers, Original CTC and Jolly Bunch SAPCs, Poncho Chavis & the Magic Sounds, Red House Singers, Renei McCrary, St James A.M.E. Combined Choir, Tehillah Gospel Singers, Treaters, Voices of Distinction, Willie Metcalf, Sylvia Yancy Davis & Rosa Metoyer, Roscoe Reddix - Caribbean Journey . Saturday April 26, 2003 Lil' Romeo, Crosby, Stills & Nash, Al Jarreau, Youssou N'Dour, Buckwheat Zydeco, Cassandra Wilson, Allen Toussaint, The Fabulous Thunderbirds feat. Kim Wilson, Women of Excellence Mass Choir, Henry Butler, Sam Butera & the Wildest, Clarence 3Frogman2 Henry, Otis Taylor, Marva Wright & the BMWs, The Dudes, Anders Osborne, Terrance Simien, Theresa Andersson, Donald Harrison Jr., American Indian Dance Theatre, Plastic System Band of Martinique, New Leviathan Oriental Foxtrot Orchestra, Bob French & the Original Tuxedo Jazz Band w/ Juanita Brooks, Star Nayea, Paulin Brothers Brass Band, 190 Express, Andi Hoffman & B-goes, Bamboula 2000, Bruce Daigrepont Cajun Band, Butch Mudbone, Carolina Tuscarora Smoke Dancers, Kenny Bill Stinson & the ARK-LA-Mystics, Kidd Jordan-Al Fielder & IAQ, The Crown Seekers, Los Vecinos, Jim McCormick, Ebenezer Choir, Franklin Ave. BC Mass Choir, Geronimo Hunters Mardi Gras Indians, Glenys Rogers, Inspirational Gospel, Greater King David Church Choir, Henry Gray, John Rankin, Lady and Men Rollers SAPCs, LightHouse Gospel Singers, Little Freddie King Blues Band, Los Sagitarios, Mahogany Brass Band, Ytre Sulvens of Norway, Motorway, Chivere, Big Nine and Nandi Exclusive SAPCs, Nathan & the Zydeco Cha-Chas, Devastation and Nine Time Ladies SAPCs, N.O.C.C.A. Jazz Ensemble, One-A-Chord, Placide Adams & Onward Brass Band, Rob Wagner Trio, Money Wasters and Original Step-n-Style SAPCs, Phillip Manuel, Providence BC Male Chorus of LaPlace, Azikwa Children9s Percussion Ensemble, Red House Singers, Red White & Blue Mardi Gras Indians, Rockie Charles, Pastor Woodrow Hayden and the Shiloh Baptist Church Mass Choir, Old & Nu Style Fellas and Single Men SAPCs, Storyville Stompers Brass Band, Tommy Wildcat, Wild Apaches and Trouble Nation Mardi Gras Indians, U.N.O. Jazz Ensemble, Undefeated Divas and Valley of the Silent Men SAPCs, Walter Payton & the Snapbeans, Jazz Peter & the Wolf, Yellow Jackets and Young Hunters Mardi Gras Indians, Blues in the Schools . Sunday, April 27, 2003 Dr. John, Joe Cocker, Gerald Levert, Ornette Coleman, Keb' Mo9, Cowboy Mouth, Richard Smallwood & Vision, The Broadway Cast of One Mo' Time, Ellis Marsalis Quartet, Chris Owens Show, Iguanas, Paul Varisco & the Milestones Reunion, Snooks Eaglin, Rebirth Brass Band, Jean Knight, Rosie Ledet & the Zydeco Playboys, Jeremy Davenport, Muskogee Nation Performers feat. Jonny Hawk, Yerba Buena, Eddie Bo, Val & Love Alive Fellowship Choir, Mingo Saldivar y los Cuatro Espadas, Spencer Bohren, Tim Laughlin, Tricia 3Sista Teedy2 Boutti, American Indian Dance Theatre, John Fohl, Karin Williams, Kelly Love Jones, Bester Singers, Bluerunners, Butch Mudbone, Casa Samba, Danzig & Woolley, Nu Vizion Gospel Choir, The Dimensions of Faith Choir, Avenue Steppers and Divine Ladies SAPCs, D.L. Menard & the Louisiana Aces, Star Nayea, Hot 8 Brass Band, Flaming Arrows Mardi Gras Indians, Germaine Bazzle, Golden Wings, Hot Club of New Orleans, 2nd Mt. Carmel Choir, Jo Cool Davis, Jamil Sharif & the New Orleans Jazz Professors, Last Straws, Lil' Stooges Brass Band, Los Calientes, Loyola University Jazz Ensemble, Melody Clouds, Monroe County Interdenominational Mass Choir of Alabama, New Orleans Mardi Gras Rhythm Indians, Carolina Tuscarora Smoke Dancers, Ninth Ward Hunters Mardi Gras Indians, Olympia Aid and Perfect Gentlemen SAPCs, Pin Stripe Brass Band, Placide Adams & the Original Dixieland Hall Jazz Band, Plastic System Band of Martinique, Betsy McGovern & the Poor Clares, Raful Neal, Jr., Red House Singers, Halabatu, Sean Ardoin n9 Zydekool, Semolian Warriors Mardi Gras Indians, New Look and Single Ladies SAPCs, Son del Pantano, Javier Juarez, Tommy Wildcat, N.O.C.C.A. Mime Troupe, Furious Five, Untouchables and Uptowner Hobo Clowns SAPCs, White Cloud Hunters and Laura Freeman . Thursday, May 1, 2003 Sonny Landreth, John Mayer, North Mississippi Allstars, Papa Grows Funk, Dave Holland Quintet, Banu Gibson w/ special guest Bucky Pizzarelli, Sunpie Barnes & the Louisiana Sunspots, Tab Benoit, Ammamereso Agofomma of Ghana, The Waifs, Irene Sage, Benjy Davis Project, Irvin Mayfield, Harvey Watkins, Jr. & Purpose, Warner Williams, Muskogee Nation Performers feat. Jonny Hawk, Levites of Faith Choir, Geno Delafose & French Rockin9 Boogie, 007, Algiers Brass Band, All City Jazz Outreach, Balfa Toujours w/ special guest Bois Sec Ardoin, Cedryl Ballou and the Zydeco Trendsetters, Evan Christopher & Tom McDermott, Basin Brothers, Beth Patterson & Kalafka, IronMountain Dancers, Big Sam's Funky Nation, Brice Winston, Bryan Lee & the Blues Power Band, Chris Clifton & his Allstars, Culu Children's Traditional African Dance Company, Gospel Stars, Hawk Henries, Holy Name Singers of IDMR, Sharon Martin, Jacques Gauthi & the Creole Rice Jazz Band, Renard Pochi, Jay Cormier, Lady Charlotte Jazz Band, Johnny Sansone, Lionel Ferbos & the Palm Court Jazz Band, Lockport Chapter Choir, Los Babies, Lyle Henderson, Micaela y Fiesta Flamenca, Real Men and Bon Temp Roulez SAPCs, Mt. Pilgrim Choir, Raymond Williams, Rip Wimberly & the Dreamers, Leslie Smith, Joe Wos, Samirah Evans, Shades of Praise, Simonia Milton, St. Joseph the Worker Choir, Treaters, Javier Guiterrez & Vivaz, Woodenhead w/ the Bonerama Horns, The Puppets of Julia Yerkov, Xavier University Jazz Ensemble, Betsy McGovern - - Songs & Stories of Ireland . Friday, May 2, 2003 Deacon John, Ben Harper, Los Lobos, Robert Randolph & the Family Band, Kermit Ruffins & the Barbecue Swingers, Marcia Ball, Angelique Kidjo, Jimmie Vaughan & the Tilt A Whirl Band, Regina Carter, Walter 3Wolfman2 Washington & the Roadmasters, BeauSoleil avec Michael Doucet, The Newport Allstars feat. George Wein, Lumsy Sisters, Los Hombres Calientes, CJ Chenier & the Red Hot Louisiana Band, Ammamereso Agofomma of Ghana, Fredy Omar con su Banda, Mighty Chariots of Fire, Louisiana Repertory Jazz Ensemble, Savoy-Doucet Cajun Band, Coolie Family, Alvin Batiste & the Jazztronauts, IronMountain Dancers, Bobby Cure & Summertime Blues, Coco Robicheaux & Spiritland, Colonel Sanchez, Connie Jones, Coolbone, Delgado Jazz Ensemble, Dynamic Smooth Family Gospel Singers, Ethan, Higher Heights, Fantastic Vocalaires, First Zion BC Choir, Hadley J. Castille, Hart McNee, Hawk Henries, John Boutti, Hazel & Delta Ramblers, Irie Dawtas, Jeff & Vida Band, Muskogee Nation Performers feat. Jonny Hawk, Leviticus Gospel Singers, Mahogany Hall Stompers of Japan, Michael Skinkus & Moyuba, Ben Eyler, New Generation and Double Nine SAPCs, Sherman Robertson, New Wave Brass Band, Old Zion Missionary Baptist Church Choir, Tremi Brass Band, Proclaimers of Christ Gospel Singers, Raful Neal, Sr., Redstick Ramblers, Reggie Hall & the Twilighters, Riccardo Crespo & Sol Brasil, Christian Serpas & Ghost Town, Lady Rulers and Single Men Kids SAPCs, SUBR Jazz Ensemble, Thomas 3Big Hat2 Fields & his Foot Stompin9 Zydeco Band, Curley Ennis, New Zion Trio plus One, Wendell Brunious, Calliope Puppets, Young & Old Men SAPC, Angela the Yarnspinner . Saturday, May 3, 2003 Irma Thomas, Widespread Panic, LL Cool J, Mavis Staples, funky Meters, Frankie Ford, Luciano of Jamaica, Herbie Mann Reunion Band w/ special guests Larry Coryell, David 3Fathead2 Newman and Chuck Rainey, Jimmy & Jeannie Cheatham, Holmes Brothers, Keith 3Wonderboy2 Johnson & the Spiritual Voices, Big Chief Monk Boudreaux & the Golden Eagles with Anders Osborne, Nicholas Payton & Sonic Trance, John Mooney & Bluesiana, Rockin' Dopsie, Jr. & the Zydeco Twisters, Wanda Rouzan & A Taste of New Orleans, Astral Project, Jim Boyd, David 3Honeyboy2 Edwards, Steve Riley & the Mamou Playboys, Lars Edegran & the New Orleans Ragtime Orchestra, Mary McBride, Ammamereso Agofomma of Ghana, Johnson Extension, Watson Memorial Teaching Ministries, Dave Pirner, Lil' Rascals Brass Band, Lynn Drury & Bad Mayo, Michael White & the Original Liberty Jazz Band w/ Thais Clark, Chouval B9wa of Martinique, Kent Jordan, Kipori Woods, Kustbandet of Sweden, Black Feathers and Bayou Renegades Mardi Gras Indians, IronMountain Dancers, Happy House and Black Men of Labor SAPCs, Bluebirds, Carlos Sanchez 3Amenecer Flamenco2, Charivari, Cherokee Hunters and Hardhead Hunters Mardi Gras Indians, Chosen Few Brass Band, Don Vappie9s Creole Jazz Serenaders, Dumaine St. Gang Men SAPC, Executive Steel, Forgiven, Gloryland, Black Eagles and Golden Blades Mardi Gras Indians, Hawk Henries, Muskogee Nation Performers feat. Jonny Hawk, La Bande 3Feufollet2, Lee Bates & the Cool Connection Band, Lil' Brian & the Zydeco Travelers, 2nd Nazarine Church Choir, N'Krumah Better Boys, New Orleans Jazz Vipers, No Limit Steppers, Secondline Jammers and Original Big 7 SAPCs, Pinette Brass Band, Praise Community Choir, Ritmo Caribeqo, Laini Kuumba Ngoma Troupe, Strawberry Jammers, SUNO Jazz Ensemble, Pigeon Town Steppers, Unstoppable Gospel Creators, Willie Tee, Wimberly Family, Zulu Ensemble Male Chorus, Johnette Downing, MidCity Music-Dance-Drama Workshop . Sunday, May 4, 2003 Pete Fountain, Neville Brothers, Gladys Knight, The O'Jays, Buddy Guy, Carlos Vives, Mighty Clouds of Joy, Kassav, Radiators, Preservation Hall Jazz Band, Aaron Neville, Crusaders Reunion feat. Joe Sample, Stix Hooper and Wilton Felder, Charmaine Neville, George Porter, Jr. & Runnin9 Pardners, Wayne Toups & Zydecajun, Terence Blanchard, Dukes of Dixieland, Chris Thomas King9s 21st Century Blues, Sherman Washington & the Zion Harmonizers, Dixie Cups, Bill Miller, Big Chief Bo Dollis & the Wild Magnolias, Dwayne Dopsie & the Zydeco Hellraisers, Eric Lindell, Malvinas, DeLoutre, Dorothy Prime, George French & the New Orleans Storyville Jazz Band, Paulette Wright Davis & Volume of Praise, Allen Fontenot & the Country Cajuns, Creole Wild West and Carrollton Hunters Mardi Gras Indians, Kim Carson & the Casualties, Andy J. Forrest, Topaz, Joe Krown Organ Combo, Leah Chase, Creole Zydeco Farmers, Real Untouchables Brass Band, Ingrid Lucia, Roland Guerin, Kid Simmons9 Local International Allstars Jazz Band, Bucktown Allstars, Golden Arrows and Mohawk Hunters Mardi Gras Indians, Don Carter, Amanda Shaw, Faithful Few Gospel Singer, Ammamereso Agofomma of Ghana, Greater Antioch Full Gospel Baptist Church Choir, Banks Family, IronMountain Dancers, Buckjumper Men and Calendar Girls SAPCs, Clyde Kerr, Jr., Cosmopolitan Choir, Hawk Henries, Heritage School of Music, Highsteppers Brass Band, Zion Trinity, Tornado Brass Band, Jetsetter Ladies and Nine Time Men SAPCs, Muskogee Nation Performers feat. Jonny Hawk, Kostini, New Orleans Spiritualettes, Original Prince of Wales Ladies SAPC, Paky Saavedra9s Band .Ido, New Orleans Sci-High Steel Band, Popular Ladies, Scene Boosters and Lady Buckjumpers SAPCs, Tyrone Foster & the Arc Singers, Westbank Steppers, Willis Prudhomme & Zydeco Express, Cucaramacara Puppet Theatre Troupe of Costa Rica, Young Tuxedo Brass Band, Arts Connection Performers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 13:08:02 -0500 From: vince Subject: njc call the UN The governments of Russia, China and France have opposed the rush to war against Iraq. But it is not clear that these countries are willing to use their veto power in the UN Security Council to stop the US from pushing through a resolution authorizing the use of force. Let these governments know that you support the use of the veto to thwart the US push for war. Send an email urging the key permanent members of the Security Council to use their veto power to oppose any resolution that authorizes the use of force against Iraq. The email addresses of the permanent members of the Security Council that are opposing the rush to war are: China: chnun@undp.org Russia: rf.mission@atnet.at France: france-presse@un.int This action alert has been sent to all subscribers of our monthly e-newsletter, The Sunflower. Sincerely, Nuclear Age Peace Foundation ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 13:13:21 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's guitars Paul (@anglesnet.com) wrote > Joni recently purchased new guitars from Fred and asked him to sell a number > of her older ones that she used to record Hejira and to tour. So, to help > him help her out, I'm putting them on eBay. > > You can find her Ibanez George Benson, complete with tablature, at: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2508437444. > I have never bought anything on e-bay, and am not a collector. But this guitar has to be pretty much way up there on a JM fan/collector's wish list. Is it one of the guitars that was used in the S&L video ? The initial bid price seems almost like a joke. Can anyone out there give me some idea of how this "usually" works on e-bay (i.e., when do the serious bids typically come in ?) and if there are any collectors out there, what kind of order of magnitude (i.e., multiple of market price for a random guitar of the same make) might be expected at the end of the day ? 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