From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #109 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 12 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 109 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Wouldn't our joan get a kick out of this? NJC I guess [twoshoes@sasktel.n] Re: Joni tour - and another cover? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: 'Paprika Plains' lyrics ["Erica L. Trudelle" ] was definitive covers, njc now "oh canada" again still njc ["ron" ] Re: NJC Two great articles on war [colin ] Re: NJC Two great articles on war [sl.m@shaw.ca] Correction, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Back to Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Two great articles on war [sl.m@shaw.ca] paprika plains ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Back to Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] { Sorry my Bad } NJR WAR!!!! article [Thom Byrd ] Re: 'Paprika Plains' lyrics [Catherine McKay ] Re: "oh canada" again still njc ["hell" ] Re: "oh canada" again still - crickets clickin' - njc [Catherine McKay <] Re: joni is a sheep (or ram)! NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: List NJC being a dog [colin ] Re: woodstock versions [Catherine McKay ] Re: 'Paprika Plains' lyrics [Catherine McKay ] Re: List NJC being a dog [Catherine McKay ] Re: Omnichord (tangential JC) ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: "Love" those Joni flicks [Catherine McKay ] When You're down and troubled...NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: 'Paprika Plains' lyrics [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Two great articles on war ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Joni covers benefit charity, njc [Michael Paz ] joni mitchell sings joni mitchell [Rob Procyk & Tracy Tolley At Folk Alliance in Nashville last weekend I was given a > sampler CD by Terry Gonda, on which she covers BSN. Have > this one, Mr. Muller? That's a new one on me, Steve - thanks for the tip, it is now officially logged into our database, and is BSN #271, cover #1143! Can you get a copy to me somehow someway? In exchange I'm happy to send you a cd of your choosing, covers or Joni, and you can beam with pride in knowing that you join a lengthy list of JMDL contributors! Bob NP: John Hiatt, "Have A Little Faith In Me" (live) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:09:11 -0500 From: "Erica L. Trudelle" Subject: Re: 'Paprika Plains' lyrics Steve wrote: I was just looking though the DJRD booklet for the CD and noticed the extra lyrics for 'Paprika Plains'. I can't believe she left all that out! I've always loved that about PP, my personal conclusion is that those "missing lyrics" are the visions dancing in her head during the piano solo. Very dreamy and vivid, one of my all time favorites as well! Take care, Erica in NH _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:13:10 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Child abuse/child prostitution/children's rights NJC Lucy, I was thinking more of a bill of rights for children. Current legislation in the UK and elsewhere seems to concentrate on welfare and protection, rather than rights. Not that they're unimportant, just not what I meant. I was thinking of an act that spells out what rights children can expect, and ways for the children to enforce them via some local guardian or commissioner figure - for example, the right to a decent education, although how we'd define that I don't know, but you get my drift. Sarah At 11:29 AM +0000 02/11/2003, Lucy Hone wrote: >SArah, you raise the issue of Childrens Rights... THE UK has a Childrens >Rights Act that covers many many aspects of children's lives. It is a >comprehensive Act that also entitles children to legal representation and >can be permitted(for example) to sue negligent health authorities who bungle >their births and leave them with long term disabilities. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:22:17 -0500 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Re: NJC Two great articles on war Message one: I was thinking of an act that spells out what rights children can expect, and ways for the children to enforce them via some local guardian or commissioner figure - - for example, the right to a decent education, although how we'd define that I don't know, but you get my drift. Message two: Army commanders are saying we will see a new type of warfare, and that the last Gulf War was the last of the old-fashioned type of war. As I see it, they are hoping it will be as high-tech and as bloodless as possible - a war against infrastructure, rather than against people. If that is the case - and I accept it's an IF - the outcome should be very good: a new regime for Iraq with minimal (and possibly no) loss of life apart from Saddam's inner circle. If anyone thinks war can be made bloodless, there is a rich fantasy world being lived in. How about the right of Iraqi children not to be the ones experiemented on by the new lies of modern warfare - I dreamed that I saw the bombers flying shotgun in the skies turning into butterflies - not pinball warfare which we can pretend bombing is not killing and technology - which always works so perfectly as we know - can kill only the "right" people - oh, and our good bombs will always fall on infrastructure, not on people - unbelievable and people think Christians have faith in silly things - just fucking unbelievable ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:13:44 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Back to Joni I mentioned there was a 2 hour Joni saga on radio the other day. The DJ did a terrific job, as always, and mentioned quite a few facts I didn't know, but I must confess I haven't read the Joni bios which are sitting on my bookshelf. The DJ had done his homework: He even mentioned that Chuck promised to provide for Kilauren even though he wasn't the father, which has been recently discussed on JMDL. He called Hejira a masterpiece, good man. Other facts: * "Joni's 1st hit was You Turn Me on I'm a Radio, and the band Nazareth had a hit in the UK in 11/72 with This Flight Tonight". That's kind of hard to imagine, isn't Nazareth a heavy metal band? * "DJRD in 1977: Mingus contacts Joni being impressed with Paprika Plains." * "After S&L, Joni takes a long pause to paint after realizing that her interest in music isn't compatible with a large audience." * I didn't understand any of the following: circa 83 there's a movie called "Love" which has not been seen, "with 9 women" (?), then she paints, then there's something about a refuge group. Can anybody make any sense of this? * "Amnesty show in 86: Rolling Stone calls it the worst performance of the year". (RS gets my "worst asshole of the year award" too). * "Clinton explains about Chelsea but declares he was more impressed with Judy Collins' version". * "How Do You Stop is a James Brown cover". * late 80's: "Joni gets the Polar Prize, the music equivalent to Nobel". When ending with T, the DJ calls it a "re-reading of a 30+ year career" which I though was a nice way to put it. I taped the show if anybody is interested and of course understands french. Comments are welcome. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 02:43:22 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: was definitive covers, njc now "oh canada" again still njc hi --- "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" wrote: > Excuse me? Did I just hear a full-blooded Canadian > admit that there might > be some cultural benefits to being a neighbor of the > USA? >>>> catherine replied >>>>The main benefit is: we're over here and you're over there. Bwa-ha-ha! and your cricket team is here. and they won their first match!!!! congratulations (mumble mumble we lost ours boo hoo) now whoda thunk canadians even knew cricket existed - let alone qualified for the world cup - yes america - take note- other nations, lots of them, in fact only one team from each country - take part in *this* world series..:-) is this advantage of one foot in the usa and one foot in the uk and the dangling in the ocean to be circumcised by a passing barracuda???? or is it the little man in the canoe??? (its a common expression here jimmy!!!) ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:38:43 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Wouldn't our joan get a kick out of this? NJC AT ALL!!! Oh, no! Will it ever end? This site has a do-it-yourself circumcision article! << http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0601/circumcise.html >> Plus all kinds of irreverent bumper stickers for sale. (My favorite: Jesus was a liberal Jew) << http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/store.aspx?s=landoverbaptist.52680 >> Plus much, much more. Like the "What Would Jesus Do?" thong. The "Santa Clause didn't die for your sins" greeting card. And the scary Bible verse tee-shirts. Very funny stuff! Very well done! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:50:30 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Back to Joni At 2/11/2003 02:13 PM, Laurent Olszer wrote: >* "Joni's 1st hit was You Turn Me on I'm a Radio, and the band Nazareth had a >hit in the UK in 11/72 with This Flight Tonight". >That's kind of hard to imagine, isn't Nazareth a heavy metal band? Relevant links of interest from The Library: "We used to listen to Joni as we were travelling round in the van," recalls Nazareth's bass-player, Pete Agnew. "'This Flight Tonight' was a big favourite." http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=921 >* "DJRD in 1977: Mingus contacts Joni being impressed with Paprika Plains." "Joni Mitchell is a nervy broad. That's what Charles Mingus said, and he should know. Dressing up like a black dude on her own album cover, out of tune orchestras on "Paprika Plains," Burundi drummers and synthesizers. Wayne Shorter soloing over a 12-string guitar 'Course, Charles had been dealing with nervy broads all his life, but this one was different. This one took risks not just to impress folks or for cheap thrills, but because her restless muse demanded it of her... Charles liked that. Liked it so much, in fact, thatknowing he was dyinghe asked her to write lyrics for and record his last series of compositions." http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=199 >* I didn't understand any of the following: circa 83 there's a movie called >"Love" which has not been seen, "with 9 women" (?), then she paints, then >there's something about a refuge group. Can anybody make any sense of >this? "[Director] Levinson had thought of then going from country to country for views on love... He approached Joni Mitchell, a Canadian, to write the music for the film. She decided instead to write one of the screenplays - and star in it as well." http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=160 >* "Amnesty show in 86: Rolling Stone calls it the worst performance of the >year". (RS gets my "worst asshole of the year award" too). "At the Amnesty Benefit I was asked to go on at the last minute, so we rehearsed backstage with borrowed equipment and went on and did three songs, for which I received my annual Worst Of award from Rolling Stone - for years Rolling Stone has been giving me a Worst Of something-or-other award every year. Anyway, people were throwing things at me at the Amnesty Benefit..." http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=358 Les, subtly promoting the search engine at JMDL. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:49:24 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Two great articles on war sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Colin, there's an interesting article in Newsweek, I believe the Feb > 17 edition, about how the U.S. intends to use electromagnetic bombs > (E-bombs) on the first night of the war. These let out an electronic > pulse that disables all electronic equipment. Cars will stop working, > phone lines will melt, computers will stop, lights will go out. The > idea is to isolate Saddam's command-and-control centre from his army > and from the Iraqi people. The Americans then intend to use psy-ops to > persuade the Iraqi people and army to surrender immediately, not to > fight. There will be an appeal directly to them from the Americans. > The army will be told no-one wants to kill them, because a > professional army will be needed to keep law and order in the new > Iraq. They will be asked to lay down their arms, with a guarantee of > good treatment. > i find this very difficult to believe..., we are going to invade Iraq and have no loss of life? Bombs that don't kill? The people will just surrender? the army will? mmmm.. maybe we think these people have no brains..... or the people telling us this think we have no brains.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:57:04 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: NJC Two great articles on war Stop the sarcasm. It adds nothing to the discussion. If you don't like my posts, delete them and move on. Sarah At 3:22 PM -0500 02/11/2003, Lavieri, Vince [185776] wrote: >unbelievable and people think Christians have faith in > silly things - just fucking unbelievable ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:04:40 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Correction, njc As Bob put it, there is a big difference between saying that most child abusers have been abused and most abused children become abusers. As Lucy pointed out, in one case it's 89% and in the other it's 14%. So thanks to JMDL, a gross misconception which I innocently relayed has been cleared one more time. That's what I love about this list. Colin: I appreciate your correcting Lucy about my saying the opposite of Bob and yourself. So I'll return the favor of "giving back to Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar": > >Still, to condemn it as as severe a crime as pedophilia is exaggerated IMO. > > > No one did that. I just love your "qui, moi?" attitude. Dear Colin, when writing an "I condemn" list in which you mention pedophilia in one clause and circumcision in another clause, I think it's reasonable for an average reader to assume that all the clauses mentioned have equal weight, unless mentioned otherwise. Now could we please drop it (not our trousers). Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:07:14 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Back to Joni In a message dated 2/11/2003 4:13:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, olszer@xlsecurity.com writes: > * I didn't understand any of the following: circa 83 there's a movie called > "Love" which has not been seen, "with 9 women" (?), then she paints, then > there's something about a refuge group. Can anybody make any sense of > this? Laurent, she was a contributor to the film "Love", with a segment she wrote & starred in called "The Black Cat With The Black Mouse Socks". She plays the part of the Art Nouveau character from DJRD LP jacket. The real treat for me was to hear the intro music to the film which is "Love" from WTRF, but a different recording and a scat vocal. The "Refuge" group refers to her '83 tour - the tour was dubbed "Refuge Of the Roads" and produced a tour video of the same name. > > * "Amnesty show in 86: Rolling Stone calls it the worst performance of the > year". (RS gets my "worst asshole of the year award" too). I watched this performance on video last week. It WAS pretty awful, but it wasn't Joni's fault...her set was not at ALL compatible with the rowdy crowd who was shouting & yelling and throwing stuff on stage. Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Real Men" (Sydney 1991) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:12:12 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: NJC Two great articles on war Well, the people telling us the Iraqi people will surrender are the main Iraqi opposition groups inside and outside Iraq, so it boils down to whether they can be trusted and whether they're in a position to know. My own view is that the people and army will not fight, so long as they can be sure Saddam is powerless, and also so long as they can be sure the Americans intend to help them rebuild Iraq, and that it's not just a case of destroy then leave. So maybe the whole thing will boil down to how good the American communications machine is, not just the military. The Iraqi army is in pretty bad shape. They're not treated well, often forced to join up. I've spoken to several Iraqis who ended up in the army as a form of punishment for something their families did, or were perceived to have done. So there seems to be very little if any genuine loyalty to Saddam, which is why he trusts almost no-one and keeps having to have commanders killed. I think and hope that individual commanders will decide to join forces with the Americans, and not keep on propping up this regime. But if the German plan comes to anything, it might just be possible to avoid it all. Sarah At 8:49 PM +0000 02/11/2003, colin wrote: >i find this very difficult to believe..., we are going to invade >Iraq and have no loss of life? Bombs that don't kill? The people >will just surrender? the army will? mmmm.. maybe we think these >people have no brains..... > >or the people telling us this think we have no brains.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:12:48 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: paprika plains >Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:24:23 -0000 >From: "Stephen Toogood" >Subject: 'Paprika Plains' lyrics >I was just looking though the DJRD booklet for the CD and noticed the > >extra >lyrics for 'Paprika Plains'. I can't believe she left all that out! Quite >dark with a definate Native American Indian theme. I like the instrumental >part but surely she could have used thse lyrics in the song. Can you >imagine >that? 'Paprika Plains' being over 20 minutes long! >STEVE Steve, I always thought of these lyrics, (that were not sung) during the instrumental part of Paprika Plains, were for people who took the time to read the lyrics. . . . .and they were there for people who really took the time to BE with Joni's music, read the lyrics. etc. . . . I figured they were meant to be read quietly to yourself while listening to the instrumental part. . . . Interactive like. I never really thought of them as being "left out." Joan, what was your intention? Marianne who dreams of buying some land and planting paprika. . . ummmm. 23 acres of redness. . . . . . . _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:15:37 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Back to Joni In a message dated 2/11/2003 3:50:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, ljirvin@jmdl.com writes: > "We used to listen to Joni as we were travelling round in the van," recalls > Nazareth's bass-player, Pete Agnew. "'This Flight Tonight' > was a big > favourite." And getting back to definitive covers...most think of TFN as a Nazareth song. Go to E-Bay and do a search on "This Flight Tonight"...it'll be about 95% Nazareth. And Jimmy, Jerry, and others can back me up when I say that Nazareth's recording inspired MANY other metal bands to do the song in the same way. And while she's never stated the fact, knowing that Nancy Wilson of Heart is a humongo Joni fan leads me to strongly believe that Nazareth's cover of TFN was a MAJOR inspiration for Heart's "Barracuda"...certainly, at least, the intro. Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Rant & Rave" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:18:44 -0800 (PST) From: Thom Byrd Subject: { Sorry my Bad } NJR WAR!!!! article Warrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!! what is it good FORRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!! absolutely nuthin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep your pencil sharp, thom http://thombyrd.tripod.com/index.html Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:30:39 -0500 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Re: NJC Two great articles on war Sarah, I'll post as I want and you do the same. We've got to get back to the Garden, right? Stop the sarcasm. It adds nothing to the discussion. If you don't like my posts, delete them and move on. Sarah At 3:22 PM -0500 02/11/2003, Lavieri, Vince [185776] wrote: >unbelievable and people think Christians have faith in > silly things - just fucking unbelievable ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:56:20 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Back to Joni --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/11/2003 4:13:44 PM Eastern > Standard Time, olszer@xlsecurity.com writes: > > > * I didn't understand any of the following: circa > 83 there's a movie called > > "Love" which has not been seen, "with 9 women" > (?), then she paints, then > > there's something about a refuge group. Can > anybody make any sense of > > this? > > Laurent, she was a contributor to the film "Love", > with a segment she wrote & starred in called "The > Black Cat With The Black Mouse Socks". She plays the > part of the Art Nouveau character from DJRD LP > jacket. The real treat for me was to hear the intro > music to the film which is "Love" from WTRF, but a > different recording and a scat vocal. Does anyone on the list happen to have a copy of that film? I remember someone asking about this quite a while ago. (I'm not looking for one, btw, just asking!) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:10:43 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 'Paprika Plains' lyrics --- Stephen Toogood wrote: > I was just looking though the DJRD booklet for the > CD and noticed the extra > lyrics for 'Paprika Plains'. I can't believe she > left all that out! Quite > dark with a definate Native American Indian theme. I > like the instrumental > part but surely she could have used thse lyrics in > the song. Can you imagine > that? 'Paprika Plains' being over 20 minutes long! I imagine these words being dreamt or narrated against the music, especially when taken in the context of the preceding narrative - Joni's description of the dance scene, interrupted by a storm, which leads her to remembering similar scenes in her youth. She floats off in time to when she was a little girl, remembers the natives who used to come to town in their beads and feathers, then drifts off to what became of them (gets into the music-only thing here), then gears back up with the retreat of the rain, back into the dance scene. I imagine that whole unsung, just-in-print section as almost an interactive thing where the listener reads this along with the music. This thing would work brilliantly as a filmed work with wonderful scenes of the plains and the natives and the beauty and desolation. I imagine this unspoken part as a voice-over narrative which could be done by Joni or, better yet, a native (in my head, I'm hearing the voice of some older guy, like Chief Dan George - one of those kinds of voices) narrating this thing as the music plays and you see these beautiful scenes which could be either just black-and-white, for the starkness; or possibly in the turquoise and rust colours of the album cover itself. The whole thing is wonderfully stream-of-conscious. Of course, the music-only section in this long work is a good opportunity to drift off onto your own stream, where you are then drawn back with "The rain retreats", and then you're into the rhythm of the dance-floor and the lights and noise again. Back to consciousness again - it reminds me of those self-hypnosis, stress management things where you sink down into a state of rest then they slowly bring you back. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:44:23 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: "oh canada" again still njc Ron wrote: > and your cricket team is here. and they won their first match!!!! > congratulations (mumble mumble we lost ours boo hoo) > > now whoda thunk canadians even knew cricket existed - let alone qualified > for the world cup - yes america - take note- other nations, lots of them, in > fact only one team from each country - take part in *this* world > series..:-) Interestingly enough, I actually know one of the members of Canada's World Cup cricket squad (Ian Bilcliff) - he plays at my cricket club here in Auckland. I guess he was born there (there's no trace of an accent if he was) or has Canadian ancestry. I read an article recently on the team, and most of their squad is made up of ex-pat Canadians. I guess it's difficult to get any cohesion as a team, when you only practice together once a year (if that), even if the practice session does last a couple of weeks! And it looks like NZ might rue their decision to boycott their game in Kenya, after their pitiful loss to Sri Lanka yesterday (barring Styris' wonderful century). Embarrassing! And who was the idiot who thought sending the Sri Lankans in to bat first was a good idea?! Hell - with apologies to the non-cricketing folk out there (but then I don't have a penis, circumcised or otherwise, so what the hell!) ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:08:21 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "oh canada" again still - crickets clickin' - njc --- hell wrote: > Ron wrote: > > now whoda thunk canadians even knew cricket > existed - let alone qualified > > for the world cup - yes america - take note- other > nations, lots of them, > in > > fact only one team from each country - take part > in *this* world > > series..:-) Cricket. Now there's a sport we don't see too often in this country. It is very popular among people from other "colonies" of the Empiah. When my son was at soccer practice a few summers ago, we would see kids playing cricket - they were all Indian or Pakistani, I would guess and I know people who came from India who were very fond of the game. > Hell - with apologies to the non-cricketing folk out > there (but then I don't > have a penis, circumcised or otherwise, so what the > hell!) The penis thread is wearing a bit thin. Anything is a welcome change (except for maybe WAR (what is it good for? y-absolutely NUTHIN'!) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:20:39 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni is a sheep (or ram)! NJC --- mike pritchard wrote: > I was born December 1953, making me a snake and a > centaur/archer. Comments? > mike Snakes have a hard time holding those bows and arrows, so good luck to you. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:24:47 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: 'Paprika Plains' lyrics In a message dated 2/11/2003 6:17:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > (in my head, I'm hearing the > voice of some older guy, like Chief Dan George - one > of those kinds of voices) Why not Iron Eyes Cody? They've already worked together - he did the intro vocals on Lakota. Or El Duryd who did the counter-vocals on DJRD. Of course Chief Dan George would also be an excellent choice. I'll always think of him as the chief in "Little Big Man". Bob NP: Zwan, "Baby Let's Rock" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:26:10 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: "Love" those Joni flicks In a message dated 2/11/2003 6:00:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > Does anyone on the list happen to have a copy of that > film? I do, which of course means that several others do as well! ;~) Bob NP: Zwan, "Yeah" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:29:07 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: List NJC being a dog About a week ago, - --- colin wrote: > Things I Must Remember As A Dog > ... > 5. I will not eat the cats' food, before they eat it > or after they throw > it up. ... > 9. I will not munch on "leftovers" in the kitty > litter box; although > they are tasty, they are not food. These are two of the most annoying things about dogs, imo. Why do dogs insist on eating frozen crap (poopsicles)? OK, analyze it and it's just predigested food, so maybe it isn't as disgusting as we humans think. Still... if a dog starts eating caca, does it mean anything? is there something missing in the diet? My dog tends to do this only in winter when it's frozen and, of course, as soon as I spot what she's doing, I yell, 'DROP IT!!!' as loud as I can (but without scaring the crap out of her.) It's truly disgusting, but does it mean anything? Or, she hears one of the cats hawking and she's right on it - mmm, warm meal time! It saves me a cleanup, but really! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:34:15 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: List NJC being a dog Catherine McKay wrote: >About a week ago, > >--- colin wrote: > >Things I Must Remember As A Dog > > >... > > > >>5. I will not eat the cats' food, before they eat it >>or after they throw >>it up. >> >> >... > > > >>9. I will not munch on "leftovers" in the kitty >>litter box; although >>they are tasty, they are not food. >> >> > > It's truly >disgusting, but does it mean anything? > yes. it means you have a disgusting dog. > >Or, she hears one of the cats hawking and she's right >on it - mmm, warm meal time! It saves me a cleanup, >but really! > see-you definately have a disgusting dog.... > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:41:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: woodstock versions --- twoshoes@sasktel.net wrote: > I am putting together a sampling of all my Joni CDs > for a friend who is not > familiar with her music (ha! when she hears so many > familiar songs, she'll > say "Oh yeah! I didn't know Joni did that song!"). > What a trip it has been, > and how I imagine my friend running to the music > store to purchase her first > Joni CDs after realizing what she's been missing all > these years. > > First, I limited myself to only three songs off > each CD. That was damn near > impossible, because I love more than three songs on > each, that's for sure. I did this for my nephew in the summer. He knew I was a Joni fan (really?) and he said he was interested in getting some of her stuff, but didn't know what to start with. I ended up making him a sampler that included two songs from each album, and what a tough choice that was! Do I remember which songs I picked? Hell no! But he did tell me how much he loved it and best of all, he was totally not expecting it, which is, imo, the best kind of gift - the one you're absolutely not expecting. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:44:40 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 'Paprika Plains' lyrics --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/11/2003 6:17:58 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > > > (in my head, I'm hearing the > > voice of some older guy, like Chief Dan George - > one > > of those kinds of voices) > > Why not Iron Eyes Cody? They've already worked > together - he did the intro > vocals on Lakota. Or El Duryd who did the > counter-vocals on DJRD. Well, I think Chief Dan done died. Iron Eyes would work too, I just couldn't remember his name and was too lazy to get up and look for my CD. I thought the counter-vocals on DJRD were done by someone else - I'd have said Larry Klein, but he wasn't around at the time, was he? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:49:37 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: List NJC being a dog --- colin wrote: > > you have a disgusting dog. > you definately have a disgusting dog.... Big help YOU are! I thought you were the pundit of all things doggy. I already knew I had a disgusting dog; I just assumed they were all like that. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:50:39 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: Omnichord (tangential JC) On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Dan Olson wrote: > > From my vinyl copy (which I'll bet I'm one of the few who owns): >"The Only Joy in Town ........... Joni Mitchell: Guitar, Oboe, Keyboards, >Omnichord, Vocals" > >Thanks to everyone who pointed out that the oboe was sampled, and that this >was already discussed in a thread some time ago. What the heck is an >ominchord? > ..... and then, Randy Remote wrote: It's like a bungee chord only it will attach to anything in the universe. >RR > >sorry...some kind of keyboard synth thing. The omnichord s an electronic instrument built on synthesizer technology, but it doesn't have a keyboard. It's irregularly shaped. It has buttons somewhat like chorc buttond on a chord organ or the bass side of an accordion to play notes (and chords?), a strumming area like a little section of washboard, selection buttons for different instrument sounds and an automatic rhythm. It's supposed to be an easy-to-play instrument for nonmusicians. After selecting an instrument sound and, optionally, a rhythm, one fingers the buttons to determine the notes, with one hand, while strumming across the strum area with the other, in a manner somewhat analogous to playing rhythm guitar. It is made by Suzuki. I have seen them, but never played one. To refresh my memory, I did a Web search, and found that there is now a new generation of them called "Qchord," which accepts song cards for, I guess, further automated playing. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. P.S. I'm very happy for Wally Kairuz! _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:52:32 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Love" those Joni flicks --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/11/2003 6:00:34 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > > > Does anyone on the list happen to have a copy of > that > > film? > > I do, which of course means that several others do > as well! ;~) > Of course you do, dear. I should've known better than to ask! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:13:15 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: When You're down and troubled...NJC A friend comes through for ya Thank you Michael Paz xxoo who loves u baby? rosalita Rosie is going to a SOLD OUT show in Atlantic City to see BRUU-CC-E!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll be celebrating the BIG 50 too!!!! who will be my escort? oh but let me warn you, I smoke ;~) Well now everything dies baby that's a fact But maybe everything that dies someday comes back Put your makeup on fix your hair up pretty And meet me tonight in Atlantic City Well I got a job and tried to put my money away But I got debts that no honest man can pay So I drew what I had from the Central Trust And I bought us two tickets on that Coast City bus (Chorus) Now our luck may have died and our love may be cold but with you forever I'll stay We're goin' out where the sand's turnin' to gold so put on your stockin's baby `cause the night's getting cold And everything dies baby that's a fact But maybe everything that dies someday comes back Now I been lookin' for a job but it's hard to find Down here it's just winners and losers and don't get caught on the wrong side of that line Well I'm tired of comin' out on the losin' end So honey last night I met this guy and I'm gonna do a little favor for him Well I guess everything dies baby that's a fact But maybe everything that dies someday comes back Put your hair up nice and set up pretty and meet me tonight in Atlantic City Meet me tonight in Atlantic City Meet me tonight in Atlantic City ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:14:53 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: 'Paprika Plains' lyrics In a message dated 2/11/2003 8:45:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > I thought the > counter-vocals on DJRD were done by someone else - I'd > have said Larry Klein, but he wasn't around at the > time, was he? > Well, Klein was AROUND, obviously...but he hadn't hooked up with Joni yet. He was still a bass player in Freddie Hubbard's band. Bob NP: Zwan, "Come With Me" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:56:56 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: NJC Two great articles on war Whoa! Time out, ya'll. In the face of a ton of over-heated rhetoric, Sarah, a moderate, posted two links- one in favor of taking Iraq by force and the other against taking Iraq by force. It stuck me as an incredibly fair, balanced, rational, thoughtful, and open-minded thing to do. Kakki giggled, apparently thinking something along the same lines. That's all that happened. She was not mocking anyone. Here's a flash: Kakki's a moderate and listens to everyone. I'm the one who sneers. :) Lama np: Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers doing "So Ya Wanna Be A Rock And Roll Star" from a 2 LP set I picked up for $1.99. That's not a typo. I sure wish I'd spent ten times as much for a CD. See! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:18:20 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: missile shield (njc) Hmmm. There's some validity to what he's saying. To validate the idea of firing one missile at another, the missile technology might be ready to test before the guidance technology. In such a case it would make sense to put a beacon on the target to test _a portion_ of the final system. That's how big projects are done. But my point remains that the USA doesn't have any threats from missiles. Maybe our weapons manufacturers are so strong in the government that the USA is now doing research and development of Systems (capital S) chiefly for our allies. Reading that South Korea and Israel want this makes more sense to me than saying that Mom & Pop Middle American in Seattle, Washington are worried about the Chinese lobbing dozens of tactical missiles across the Pacific!! Obviously, it's gonna get built whether I approve or not and my Government is subsidizing, no HIRING the R&D which will only benefit the manufacturers and our allies. I think the manufacturers should pay for their own R&D. Lama >>>>>>> The third and fourth tests of ballistic missile interceptors, unlike the first and second, which flopped, were "successful." Unfortunately, the tests (July 14 and Dec. 3, 2001) were rigged. In both cases, although the target missile and interceptor were fired 5000 miles away from each other, the interceptor was guided to within 400 meters of the target by a beacon implanted in the target's nose. General Kadish does not seem worried about this problem. "Our test philosophy is to add step-by-step complexities over time. It is a walk-before-you-run, learn-as-you-go development." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:14:30 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni covers benefit charity, njc Jim Thanks very much for the plug. Just an update for those who care and those who are on the fence about getting a copy. Thanks to so many of you the costs of pressing and all royalties paid have been recouped and we are in the black. I am now considering working on volume 3 soon. Last week we have a burn emergency in Honduras and I had to obtain two Dermatome machines (skin grafting) to send down lat weekend. 6 Kids were burned very badly by a tipped over pot of hot grease and four more in a bad house fire. The machine we had was missing blades so I tried to buy some and they are on back order. Shriner's Burn Center in Galveston sent to machines and blades over the same day I requested them and they were in Honduras within 24 hours. It is for these types of emergencies that we need the Burn Unit there so badly. Please consider us when you are giving presents to people you love and pick up a copy. Thanks to all who have been supporting this cause for so long. A $30 donation gets you a 2 set CD collection And the buy four get one free is still only $100 Best to all, Love Paz > "PazFest" was known to many of us as the JoniFest in New Orleans in 2000. > The days before and after were kind of a multi-day JMDL event that > culminated with New Orleans musicians doing a salute to Joni with many > JMDLers thrown in for good measure as a fundraiser for the Ruth Paz > Foundation. > > http://www.jmdl.com/jonifest/jfno2000.cfm > > This thing was a wonderful tribute concert. Forget Elvis Costello! Check > this out! > > You like chick singers? Check out Susan Cowsill. You want to hear a > monster play a Greek hybrid of guitar and mandolin called a bouzouki? Check > out Beth Patterson. You want a rip-roaring, wildly inventive, fun, and > tasty spin on Joni? Check out the headliners, the Bryan Thomas Band. > > Those of us who were there will never, ever forget it. Those of us who > weren't have a chance to catch a whiff of the excitement. > > "PazFest", a 2 CD set. Catch it while you can. > > Lama > > ps, I need a ruling from the njc community. A 2 CD set of Joni Covers is > Joni Content or not? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:17:59 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: News Clips: This Just IN (NJC) Well for all the older folks on the list probably just the soft one. LOL Paz > Now Mikey, > > Is this HARD core, or SOFT porn??? > > Steve > > > At 11:25 PM 2/10/03 -0800, you wrote: >> Sorry I am still WAY behind on the list, but have been trying to catch up. >> Anyways just got off the phone with Les who is just out of his skin right >> now trying to get a new page UP for us where everyone can post pics of >> themselves clipped or not. You girls can participate too if you like as >> there will be No discrimination regarding sex, colour, creed, or the usual >> OR unusual things. This is gonna be really a lot of fun trying to guess who >> is who altho most of you might guess Smurph because he has showed so many of >> you in the past. Please do not procrastinate, but send your clipped pics to >> pics to les@willieismysoreheismysorrow.org OR non clips to >> les@boomboompacederm.org >> The results should be stunning to say the least and there will be a month >> for us to tab the results of the who do you think is who thing (or something >> like that). >> >> Be well all, >> >> Michael (off to take my pic and email to Les's new JMDL gallery) >> >> > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:14:13 -0600 From: Rob Procyk & Tracy Tolley Subject: joni mitchell sings joni mitchell Hi Listas, I'm always running behind the times.... I am SURE this would have been a list thing, but just in case -- did anyone tape that Joni thing on CMT last Thursday -- that "Joni Mitchell Sings Joni Mitchell" thing where she sang 5 songs or so, from about 69 or so, I'd guess? Wasn't sure if you all did, because I think CMT is a Canadian channel. Sorry, I am sure this has been discussed, but I ditched all my digests from the past week and am just trying to catch up now! Love ya guys (or as Liz Taylor said when she was all cough-syrup'ed up on the Golden Globes that time, "y'all, y'all, y'all" Evian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:39:15 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: joni mitchell sings joni mitchell I didn't know about it! In the States, CMT stands for Country Music Television. Was it on there? or ...Canadian Municipal TV, ??? Was it old BBC footage? Jonified minds want to know> Rob Procyk & Tracy Tolley wrote: > did anyone tape that Joni thing > on CMT last Thursday -- that "Joni Mitchell Sings Joni Mitchell" thing > where she sang 5 songs or so, from about 69 or so, I'd guess? Wasn't > sure if you all did, because I think CMT is a Canadian channel. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #109 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)