From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #103 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, February 10 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 103 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC Rediscovering your own country ["Lori Fye" ] DJRD - Help!! ["Kate Bennett" ] thank you cdbaby friends! NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Jonifest 2003 [Michael Paz ] Re: Gays' interest in Joni [Michael Paz ] Chuck, Kelly, Nuns, etc... ["michael o'malley" ] Re: NJC Two great articles on war ["kakki" ] definitive covers [Bruce Kimerer ] RE: Gays' interest in Joni/lyric question ["Wally Kairuz" ] significant covers njc ["ron" ] Re: missle shield (njc) ["kakki" ] Re: DJRD - Help!! ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Today's Library Links: February 10 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today in History: February 10 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 14:07:33 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC Rediscovering your own country I love driving the back roads of the U.S. and discovering the little out of the way towns where the locals hang around the neighborhood diner and talk about the weather or the farm report or what's going on in high school sports ("Back in my hometown / They would have cleared the floor / Just to watch the rain come down") There is a wonderful book, probably 20 years old by now, titled "Blue Highways" by William Least Heat-Moon. It's a book that makes me appreciate the whole of the United States every time I read it, and especially those little towns in every state. Reading that book causes me to want to get in my car and start driving to anywhere and nowhere (and to Nothing, Arizona). There's a short chapter - called "Watchtower," I think - that describes the radar tower at my very first duty station near Fortuna, North Dakota (about 3 miles from the Saskatchewan border), so the book is extra special to me. The author has a website: http://www.heat-moon.com/, and you can often find the book in "used" stores, or it's available on Amazon, etc. As for vistas, one of my favorites is in Eastern Wyoming, where the land is very flat and stark white rock buttes jut up from the land. It's awesome during a thunderstorm. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:31:23 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: breaking news NJC me too kasey...i am all for saving face & averting war! it could also help the usa save face if they want to slow down a bit in spite of what the rhetoric is...it feels like one big gigantic chess game at this point... >>Others have tried the inspections, including the US, this is a way for him (Schroeder) to get on board and save face in his country. That said, what I'm hoping will happen is Saddam will see this as his way out, allow the inspections, and say see the US is a bully. I'll take that if war can be avoided, the old sticks and stone thing. Kasey << ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:56:57 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: DJRD - Help!! littlebird wrote >One of the most baffling lines to me is: "But didn't I see a neon sign fester on your hotel blind And a country road come off the wall And swoop down on the crowd at the bar< ahh, back to joni! & an excellent topic! well its been decades since i read castenda but i do recall some scary peyote trips taking place & the above lines sure sound like one of them! lol... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 17:49:05 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: thank you cdbaby friends! NJC thank you to all who did me the huge favor of requesting cdbaby to list my cd under the following group...its in there now! http://www.cdbaby.com/flavor/famousguests thank you very much (in my best elvis voice)...xxoo! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 20:41:15 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonifest 2003 Ashara I am dreadfully behind in my email duties but this caught my eye. I am wanting and planning to attend again this year to keep my record perfect, but I have committed to so many other things with the fam and work so I cannot quite book it yet. In fact I probably can't till after the May season to know where I stand financially and with the time factor. I DO encourage anyone who hasn't attended to belly up and do it. You have NOT lived till you do an Ashara Jonifest and take advantage of all the hard work that goes into something like this and have a chance to hook up with some of the most amazing people on the planet. So don't count me out just yet. WHO are the lucky 19 that have already decided??? My best to you and I hope the war goes away and so we can all focus on the better things to do in life, like eat tofu, play music, drink tequila, and have ALL kinds of fun with our friends. Love Paz NP-New Dress-Jonatha DVD > At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I only have 19 people (out of > the at least 80 expected this year) signed up for Jonifest 2003. I am still > over $1,000 short of being able to send in the deposit for Full Moon which > was due on February 1st. I am going to call Full Moon to ask for an > extension, but at this point, if I don't have at least 20 more deposits by > February 15th, I will have to seriously think of not doing the Fest this > year. Please don't procrastinate any longer, and get the deposits to me if > you are planning on attending. And if you have been to Jonifest in the past > but know that you will *not* be attending this year, please e-mail me > privately so I can see if we truly have enough interest to move forward. > Also, if you are planning on attending and there is no possible way to get > the deposit to me by February 15th, please e-mail me privately and let me > know that as well. I really hate to be pulling teeth like this. > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 20:45:58 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Gays' interest in Joni Of course then there is the thing that so many of the str8 guys on the list have been influenced by the whole thing and now we are singing versions of everyone's songs sung like the divine Ms. Merman. As far as I am concerned it doesn't mater who or what or where you are we all agree, good is just damn good and on the backside you are gonna meet so incredible people from all walks here. Best Paz > hey mitch: > > nice post. i'm the same, i never felt that i was connecting with other gays > by liking joni, whereas other musical loves of mine at one time or another > (musical comedies, bette midler, soft cell) did have a gay tinge. i didn't > come to this list for gay solidarity either, and i was kind of surprised by > how many gay men and women are here. > > it was an essay by cliff chase, that you can find on jonimitchell.com, that > for me crystalized something of her appeal to gay men, at least. like many > people here, my first internet search was joni mitchell and i consumed wally > breese's site. and that essay is still one of the finest things i've read. > i highly recommend it. here's the link to part 1 (there're three parts) > > http://www.jonimitchell.com/TroubleChildPart1.html > > best to you, > > patrick in ny > > np - kaija saariaho - chbteau de l'bme (dawn upshaw singing) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:24:00 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Chuck, Kelly, Nuns, etc... There has been quite a bit of talk recently of Little Green and speculation as to the meaning of the lyrics. I found this link on the JMDL home page tonight http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=624 Thanks Les. I had been looking forward to reading this incredible interview for over a year! I'm frequently amazed at how candid Joni can be in her interviews. For example, she plainly states that once married, Chuck reneged on his offer to raise her baby: `` Well, the gods in their wisdom had to put me through some travail, so at 20 in art school I lost my virginity and got pregnant all in the same act. I had to protect my parents from the disgrace, so I said I had given up my desire to paint and I was going east to pursue a career as a musician, which wasn't all the truth. My talent had not arrived as a musician; I was simply good at singing old folk songs locally for pin money. I had no ambition. I hadn't begun to create anything. I went east and when my girl was born I tried to keep her, but I couldn't get enough money together to join the Musicians Union to get the work. I was offered work in the States and the man who found it for me knew of my difficult situation and offered to marry me to give my child a home. She was in a foster home and I was just waiting to get enough money to get her out of hock. So I married him and he betrayed me. Once inside the marriage, he said he didn't want to raise another man's child. As they say, "make a good marriage, God bless you; make a bad marriage, become a philosopher." So I began to write.`` So there you have it, from the source. This JM interview is one of the better ones I've seen in recent years. Joni also speaks about her relationship to catholicism and nuns. Definitely worth a look. Michael in Quebec NP: the steady whir of my hard drive ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:38:59 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Two great articles on war Huh?! Um, Lori, I was not heeheeing at war but rather just trying to inject some levity re Sarah's remarks about the opinion pieces. Sorry that my reaction of mild humor regarding the topic of posting artcles/opinions was lost in interpretation. Do ya really think I'd spend so much time and consternation getting involved in the many discussions here on the subject if I took it lightly? Oh how I wish I could be so oblivious. Kakki > > "Heehee"? Wow, Kakki. Wow. I'm stunned. Truly. > > WWJS? (What would Joni say?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 00:06:12 -0500 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: definitive covers My thought on this was not covers that we think are 'better' than the originals or became bigger hits but, rather, new approaches to the songs, in tempo, instrumentation, or attitude, that substantially reconceptualized the tunes to such an extent that the new versions pretty much became the definitive treatments. All Along the Watchtower is probably the best example. I think Bette Midler's slowed-down Do You Wanna Dance is another. Judy Collins's Both Sides Now would not qualify. Nor would James Taylor's You've Got a Friend. CSNY's Woodstock would. So too would, I think, Janis's To Love Somebody and, maybe, Bobby McGee. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:05:19 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Gays' interest in Joni/lyric question el paz wrote: >>>>on the backside you are gonna meet so incredible people from all walks here.>>>> and i say: which is probably the reason why there are so many sodomites on this list, paz!!!!!! now, what does "he heard her off to starboard" mean? it's from cactus tree. i can't figure it out! what is "to hear someone off"? wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:12:46 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: definitive covers njc using your criterion, i find that rickie lee jones' versions of something cool and lush life are, in my never humble opinion, the definitive versions. by the way, bruce's idea is my way of approaching a cover. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Bruce Kimerer Enviado el: Lunes, 10 de Febrero de 2003 02:06 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: definitive covers My thought on this was not covers that we think are 'better' than the originals or became bigger hits but, rather, new approaches to the songs, in tempo, instrumentation, or attitude, that substantially reconceptualized the tunes to such an extent that the new versions pretty much became the definitive treatments. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 00:27:44 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: significant covers njc hi what about the byrds version of mr tambourine man?? ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:09:56 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: missle shield (njc) Lama, Where do you get your info that its been proven a failure over and over? You can write me off-list if you want. As far as I know it was pretty much built a long time ago. In fact, there have been successful tests of its technology disseminated in the media. It's a pretty simple technology in the overall scheme of today's knowledge. It hasn't been proven in an scenario of preventing an actual incoming nuke, I suppose, but it has been shown to work in other simulations. I still think it's a far better option that meeting a incoming nuke with a return nuke. Kakki > I just can't fathom why we're going ahead with building a missile shield > when it's proven a failure over and over and over already. My advice: "Let > it *GO*, assh*les!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 01:26:17 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: DJRD - Help!! Okay, I haven't read Castenadas but to me, these images are shot through with Chinese ying/yang. The technology/nature. The serpent/eagle. And finally, we fall through the looking glass and see that one is the inverse of the other. female/male. emotion/intellect. These are all classic ying/yang. She kinda gives it away with "snake kite-flying on a string". Isn't that one of the features of Chinese New Year parade? Lama np: "Three Sides Live" by Genesis, a wonderful set to which I keep returning "done me wrong- same old song!" From: Little Bird >>> I agree that American ideals (or their disintegration) do seem to be a part of the song's message. The inclusion of lines from The Star Spangled Banner and this dandy: "Here in good old God save America, the land of the brave and the free, We are all hopelessly oppressed cowards of some duality, of restless multiplicity." She also seems to want to point out the industrialization of nature, comparing birds to planes and serpents to trains: eagles in jet trails, snakes along the railroad tracks/rivets in this eagle, boxcars on your snake. And in a beautiful little twist she reverses the natural environments of both bird and snake with this line: "Big bird dragging its tail in the dust, snake kite flying on a string." Almost as if the world has gone a bit mad with "coils around feathers and talons on scales." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:19:49 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 10 On February 10 the following items were published: 1974: "Ice Cream Castles, Roses and Cold Blue Steel" - Ithaca New Times (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=130 1974: "Joni Mitchell's Albums Trace a Coming of Age" - Ithaca New Times (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=131 1977: "The Siren and The Symbolist" - Rolling Stone (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=258 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:19:49 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: February 10 1974: Joni performed at the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada 1976: Joni performed at the University of Cincinnati Armory Fieldhouse. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=721 1985: Although the official session wasn't supposed to start until tomorrow (possibly a press release to hold off the crowds), more than 35 Canadian artists - including Bryan Adams, Gordon Lightfoot, Neil Young, Anne Murray, Joni Mitchell, Corey Hart, Burton Cummings and members of Loverboy and Rush - convened in Toronto to record as "Northern Lights," a benefit to aid Ethiopia. The song - "Tears Are Not Enough" - was penned by Adams and Jim Vallance. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=906 http://www.jonimitchell.com/NorthernLights.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #103 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)