From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #96 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, February 6 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 096 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC [coli] Re: Queen of England NJC [colin ] Re: Queen of England NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Steely Dan now Piano Jazz NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Queen of England and potential cuckoo in the nest NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: Question for seller -- Item #2506076790/ Joni CDs [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC welfare ["Lori Fye" ] re: gluten free cooking (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] Condemning, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Claud, where are you [Steve Polifka ] Joni & "Midnight Cowboy" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni & "Midnight Cowboy" [frasere@intergate.ca] Re: Joni & "Midnight Cowboy" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Last chance for Covers #37 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: You may be from Ohio if (NJC) ["kasey simpson" ] Re: NJC welfare ["kasey simpson" ] Re: You may be from Ohio if (NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] why joni-only in the first place [twoshoes@sasktel.net] Wally Breeze (njc?) ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: You may be from Ohio if (NJC) ["kasey simpson" ] Re: NJC welfare [Mags N Brei ] Re: why joni-only in the first placeNJC [colin ] List NJC [colin ] RE: NJC welfare ["Heather" ] RE: NJC welfare ["Heather" ] RE: NJC welfare ["Heather" ] Re: Last chance for Covers #37 NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Wally Breeze (njc?) ["kasey simpson" ] Re: Steely Dan now Piano Jazz NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: NJC welfare ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Wally Breeze (njc?) ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] Re: Steely Dan now Piano Jazz NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: You may be from Ohio if (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: NJC welfare ["kasey simpson" ] Re: Condemning, njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Queen of England and potential cuckoo in the nest NJC [Murphycopy@aol] RE: Queen of England and potential cuckoo in the nest NJC ["Wally Kairuz"] Carnival in Kenora [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Queen of England and potential cuckoo in the nest NJC [Murphycopy@aol] Re: NJC welfare ["Lori Fye" ] RE: NJC welfare ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 09:21:53 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC not really. and it only applies to the first two weeks. sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > It's SO hard to stick to that. The crispbread I eat has 10 mgs carbs > - or crabs if you insist ;-) - in each slice, and they're tiny slices. > . . wouldn't fill a mouse up. > > Sarah > > > At 11:17 PM +0000 02/05/2003, colin wrote: > >>> > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 09:24:33 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Queen of England NJC yes that was my thought too and i have seen and heard the denials on tv. interesting...... sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > He's the spitting image of Hewitt, although everyone denies they even > knew each other at that time. > > Sarah > > > At 11:14 PM +0000 02/05/2003, colin wrote: > >> btw, don't you think Harry is very unlike any of the royals:? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:47:14 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Queen of England NJC Kakki confessed: >>My mother visited there [Tower of London] a few years back and asked the docent to look up her family name and he was very impressed that it was connected with a band of rebel outlaws who hid out in Wales and who were eventually executed in the Tower!<< Ah, so you're one of the Welsh Herritycs. Well I never. meic in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:48:46 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Steely Dan now Piano Jazz NJC >>By the way, I just listened to Fred Simon's USUALLY/ALWAYS album again today<< how can I get hold of this? mike in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:50:48 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Re: Queen of England and potential cuckoo in the nest NJC I think we all know that that little chap is a cuckoo in the nest and funnily enough I was chatting to someone on the phone about this last night.... That hair, those freckles, mmmmmmm good on his mum I say. If you can't find love with the man who promised to love and cherish you in front of 300 million people then go to Devon and get it there... Shame he turned out to be a loser as well....Di's life was a bit like that wasn't it though, pillar to post and never centering.... She should have found RUNES as they are soooo good for that... I am very disappointed that so few people have offered come and visit me in the TOWER... It will be just you and me then Colin......and all those lovely guards..... Lets divvy up between us and have fun!!! maybe the title of the posts are putting people off... Maybe if we made the subject "joni wants to come and stay with you" it would get read!!! Must get on with the day... Love to you all..... LUCY - ----- Original Message ----- From: "colin" To: Cc: "colin" ; "Lucy Hone" ; Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:24 AM Subject: Re: Queen of England NJC > yes that was my thought too and i have seen and heard the denials on tv. > interesting...... > > sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > > > He's the spitting image of Hewitt, although everyone denies they even > > knew each other at that time. > > > > Sarah > > > > > > At 11:14 PM +0000 02/05/2003, colin wrote: > > > >> btw, don't you think Harry is very unlike any of the royals:? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:32:32 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: P.J. Harvey NJC I have no comment to make about PJ Harvey, I have only heard her duets with Nick Cave and none of her solo stuff. However, I'd like to put a word in for Beth Orton. She's not yet a great singer; she doesn't yet have a great stage presence, she's not yet very relaxed and comfortable on stage and is not the greatest guitar player on the planet. However, her albums have been getting better and better and her songwriting skills are second to very few people I think. She has great musicians working with her and her choice of material is very good, in general. Give her words a listen. She's saying some very important things and she's saying them in a very interesting way. She's going to be a real real talent if she keeps developing as she's done so far. Highly recommended. mike in barcelona NP Beth Orton - Daybreaker. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 08:13:44 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #2506076790/ Joni CDs In a message dated 2/5/2003 9:14:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, Aerchak writes: > Thought this might be of interest to JMDLers. Andrea & all, For those of you who may not know, all of these CD's that this Australian bootlegger dude has put up from his "private collection" (Puh-Leeze!) are available from me or a host of other JMDLer's for the mere cost of blank media & postage, NOT $30/cd! Bob NP: Lauryn Hill, "Forgive Them Father" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 05:33:47 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC welfare Kakki wrote: > Try living on welfare or unemployment in California where they just > released a report stating that the *average* montly rent is $1,600 a > month!! Welfare or unemployment? Try living on the federal minimum wage of $5.15 per hour!! At 40 hours per week (IF you get to work that many hours) for 52 weeks per year, that's a whopping $10,712 annually. The U.S. minimum wage hasn't been raised since 9/1/97, and everytime it comes up for increase there's a huge effort to disallow it. (Want to guess who's usually behind that effort?) In the wealthiest country on the planet, it's a fecking disgrace. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 05:45:42 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: re: gluten free cooking (njc) Debra Shea asked: So I have a question then for you, is gluten something that is in all wheat, as in, one of the characteristics of wheat? Yeast can be added, yes? But maybe gluten is just wheatness. ? Gluten is always in wheat. It is also in every grain except rice and corn. In fact, it's not really the gluten that people react to. It's a protein called gliadin, which the body produces from gluten. But it's just easier to say "gluten intolerant." (Although I've had people, including nurses, hear "gluten," think "glucose" and assume I was diabetic. LOL!) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:57:18 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Condemning, njc > colin wrote: > > The belief thatis okay to mutilate children in the name or held > > belifs(circumscision of male and female children) The list seems reasonable, but I'm puzzled about this one. Excision is the removal of the clitoris, and thus suppresses a woman's capacity to have orgasm. So it is indeed mutilation with drastic consequences. On the other hand, male circumcision is the removal of foreskin, which to my knowledge serves no particular purpose. In fact men with poor hygiene are more prone to infections with one than without. (I repeat: men with poor hygiene so don't get excited). So, I'm not complaining, my wife ain't complaining. My colleague at work says she prefers the looks of circumcised penises, that the handling is different but otherwise no difference. I believe most men born in the U.S. are circumcised at birth, and not for religious reasons. Any complaints from anyone? Colin: are you ciscumcised? If yes what's your complaint? If not, what's the basis of your condemning? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 08:09:09 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Claud, where are you Thanks to all who gave me the info on dear Caudia. Steve p.s. Jim, uh, I'm spoken for, too. ;-P At 10:57 PM 2/5/03 -0500, you wrote: >Uhh... Yer too late, Polifka. She's spoken for. :) > >Lama > >Steve Polifka said, >>>>>>>> >Hi Claudia, >could you contact me privately? > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 09:14:11 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni & "Midnight Cowboy" One of the features that Les has added to my Joni Covers webpage is the ability to link to the artist's webpage. This was a request made by a couple of the artists and with Les' help (always with his help & thanks Les!!) I am able to do that. Anyway, I'm now in the midst of going through the 1100+ listings and searching for homepages to link to. This week, while linking to Donal Leace's site, I saw a link to contact him. Donal Leace was a 60's folksinger who is still active today. Has a new CD out, matter of fact. His cover is of special interest to me because it's not only a Joni song that she never recorded, it's one that I've never heard ANY Joni versions of. Other songs that Joni never recorded have been covered, but in every case I also have at least a live Joni version. But in the case of Donal Leace's "Midnight Cowboy", the only version I've heard is his. Anyway, to make a long story even longer, when I saw the "contact Donal" link on his homepage, I couldn't resist the temptation to e-mail him and ask him about this cover. Much to my delight, he responded very quickly and gave me some VERY COOL details. Basically, I just asked him how he came to hear and learn the song - here is what he said: "Playing the same folk clubs, in the late '60s, I had heard about Joni for some time. I lived above the Cellar Door Night Club at the time I first met Joni. She played there in 1969. I was also a friend of James Leo Herlihy, who had written "Midnight Cowboy," the book and screen play. Joni was doing the song "Midnight Cowboy" in her set at the time. We talked about it, I told her how much I liked it. She had shown no special interest in recording it, for what ever reasons, so she passed it on to me. On night, in my apartment, she and her guitarist (name ?) played and sang the song into my tape recorder. I still have, and treasure the "live" cassette. Later I arranged it to better fit my voice and style. As you know I recorded it for Atlantic Records in 1971. I never discussed the song with Joni, but I did play it for Jamie Herlihy, the last time was, at his house in LA, about a year before he died, in the late nineties. That's it." Back to me now: Anyway, like I said, I thought this was a VERY cool story, and it clears up, for me anyway, some of the blur around this cover. And yes, I did my best grovel to get a copy of his "treasured tape", but he is (understandably) very protective of it. Sigh, maybe someday, someway... Going on a bit further, for those of you who may still be along for the ride, here is a list of the Joni songs that she wrote, never recorded, BUT were recorded by others: Winter Lady - by Gary Zack Carnival in Kenora - by Gary Zack Dr. Junk - by Ian Campbell Group Eastern Rain - by Fairport Convention Born To Take The Highway - The Foggy Dew-O Then there's the song that she co-wrote, "Just Couldn't Help Myself", that was recorded by O.C. Smith (of "Little Green Apples" fame). There's a story behind that one too, I'm sure...but I don't know it. Yet. Bob NP: Michael Hill's Blues Mob, "Evil In The Air" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 06:23:43 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: Joni & "Midnight Cowboy" Great story Bob! Thanks for sharing. Best, Stephen in Vancouver Quoting SCJoniGuy@aol.com: "Playing the same folk clubs, in the > late '60s, I had heard about Joni for some time. I lived above the Cellar > Door Night Club at the time I first met Joni. She played there in 1969. I was > also a friend of James Leo Herlihy, who had written "Midnight Cowboy," the > book and screen play. Joni was doing the song "Midnight Cowboy" in her set at > the time. We talked about it, I told her how much I liked it. She had shown > no special interest in recording it, for what ever reasons, so she passed it > on to me. On night, in my apartment, she and her guitarist (name ?) played > and sang the song into my tape recorder. I still have, and treasure the > "live" cassette. Later I arranged it to better fit my voice and style." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 09:30:12 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & "Midnight Cowboy" In a message dated 2/6/2003 9:23:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, frasere@intergate.ca writes: > Thanks for sharing. Thanks, Stephen! I find this kind of thing just fascinating. Mr. Leace did tell me that he wouldn't part with his tape "without Joni's permission", so maybe the next time you bump into her as you are apt to do, ask her to get involved and maybe we can pry it loose! :~) Bob NP: Michael Hill's Blues Mob, "Signifyin' Monkey/Watch What You Say" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 09:35:55 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Last chance for Covers #37 Just a reminder...I'm giving away copies of Covers #37 to the JMDL'ers who come the closest to the Joni song that I've selected. Just send me an e-mail guessing a song & an album and you're good to go! Contest ends Friday night. You need not be present to win. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:50:11 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: You may be from Ohio if (NJC) You know, I would love to defend myself but it really is true. However, there is nothing wrong with orange football uniforms. I just hate it when they are all laying down!:) We are in still winter now, but Construction is right around the corner! LOL Kasey You may be from Ohio (pronounced O-hi-uh) if: You think all Pro football teams are supposed to wear orange! You know all the 4 seasons: Winter, Still Winter, Almost Winter and Construction. You live less than 30 miles from some college or university. You know what a buckeye really is, and have a recipe for candy ones. "Toward the lake" means north and "toward the river" means south. You've heard of the Great Nickel Beer Night Riot. You know if other Ohioans are from southern or northern Ohio as soon as they open their mouths. You can spell words like Cuyahoga, Olentangy, Bellefontaine, Tuscarawas, Wapakoneta and you know which letter is doubled in Cincinnati. "Vacation" means spending a day at Cedar Point. You measure distance in minutes. Your school classes were canceled because of cold Your school classes were canceled because of heat. You've ever had to switch from "heat" to "A/C" in the same day. You know what should be knee-high by the Fourth of July. You end your sentences with an unnecessary preposition. Example: "Where's my coat at?" You install security lights on your house and garage and leave both unlocked. You think of the major four food groups as beef, pork, beer, and Jell-O salad with marshmallows. You carry jumper cables in your car. You know what 'pop' is. You design your kid's Halloween costume to fit over a snowsuit Driving is better in the winter because the potholes are filled with snow. You think sexy lingerie is tube socks and a flannel nightgown. The local paper covers national and international headlines on one page but requires 6 pages for sports. You know which leaves make good toilet paper. You actually get these jokes, then forward 'em to your OHIO friends. Ohio According to Foxworthy .7:*'('*:7..7:*'('*:7. ::: (3) ::: *: ^)^ :* *7. ( .7* *7-:|:-* Have a great day! DanaGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:02:01 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: NJC welfare Lori, I agree with you in part. What is the incentive for a mother or father to go to work, pay child care, and leave their kids for a wage less than can be had on welfare? I believe as a society we have an obligation to lend a helping hand, to take care of our elderly and disabled. However, I believe that our system needs to be revamped. Every one has stories of people who have abused the system, and those that have been abused by the system. This happens to often for this to be a good system, there has to be a better way. Any one care to offer a suggestion? Kasey Welfare or unemployment? Try living on the federal minimum wage of $5.15 per hour!! At 40 hours per week (IF you get to work that many hours) for 52 weeks per year, that's a whopping $10,712 annually. The U.S. minimum wage hasn't been raised since 9/1/97, and everytime it comes up for increase there's a huge effort to disallow it. (Want to guess who's usually behind that effort?) In the wealthiest country on the planet, it's a fecking disgrace. LoriGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:3:21 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: You may be from Ohio if (NJC) > You know, I would love to defend myself but it really > is true. However, there is nothing wrong with orange > football uniforms. The Buccaneers wore ugly orange uniforms for many years until they came to their senses and switched to red, black, and silver. It seems to have paid off...maybe that's just what those Ohio teams need, a little overhaul. Victor NP: Police "Low Life" NP: boxes and boxes... - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 07:14:44 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: NJC welfare Kakki, I should have made myself clear, I was talking about Canada and Ontario specifically re: welfare and student loans etc. Mags. You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 08:39:23 -0600 From: twoshoes@sasktel.net Subject: why joni-only in the first place In that case Rusty, why don't we just do away with the Joni-only list and exercise our little deleting fingers till the cows come home? Oh, and why do people complain about spam all the time? Just delete! What's the big deal? The principle of the thing is this: the Joni-only list was created for people who choose to focus in on Joni-related discussion. It's plain, it's simple, and gee, do we not have that right? No one has suggested it's the end of the world. What we are trying to tell you -- some of us politely and nicely, some not -- is that we would appreciate it if people would respect our decision to have a list that does not include posts about politics, economics, and all those other equally interesting facets of life in general. We can join other lists for those conversations. Okay? Yes, sometimes it is confusing whether to put the NJC tag. Right now, for instance. There is no Joan content in this post, yet if I put it in the subject line, the NJC list won't see this post which has to do with it specifically. And sometimes one just honestly slips up. That's not the same as someone deliberately posting their rants about non-related stuff -- and repeatedly, too -- while believing their action is all right because their opinion is fascinating enough that the lack of consideration on their part won't matter. It does matter. It's not life-threatening, it's not world-ending, but then neither is lack of courtesy and mutual respect. Yet it's something most civilized people try to incorporate in their behaviour. Kate du Nord http://xoetc.antville.org > From: Rusty10113@aol.com > Subject: Re: Joni's gay fans???? > > In a message dated 1/28/03 10:31:45 PM, littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: > << If you > don't like it, delete it. The sun will rise the next > day. Life will go on. And your finger may benefit from > the exercise. > Sorry I'm being a bitch. But I am. (At least tonight) >>> > > AMEN! well said, couldn't agree more, i delete many posts based on a subject > line that isn't my cup of tea, and limited free time to read, but thats just > in my mind common sense... why the drama? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 10:17:29 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Wally Breeze (njc?) happy Birthday Wally Breeze, February 6th your spirit lives on. . . . Marianne _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:20:52 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: You may be from Ohio if (NJC) Victor, Please be kind........I'm a Bengal fan:( Kasey The Buccaneers wore ugly orange uniforms for many years until they came to their senses and switched to red, black, and silver. It seems to have paid off...maybe that's just what those Ohio teams need, a little overhaul. Victor NP: Police "Low Life" NP: boxes and boxes... - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed StudiosGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 07:25:48 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: NJC welfare Sarah wrote: <<>> now me: she must not have told either student loans or welfare that she was receiving both..and then she got caught. the system is not fair. How is one to get ahead if they cant even afford to live decently let alone go to school in order to hopefully gain a good job , become self sufficient, which is impossible to do on the money 'granted' from welfare or student loans. there is a high price to pay as demonstrated in this case. i am sorry to say that post secondary education in canada seems to be more of a privilege not a right. At 8:05 PM -0800 02/05/2003, kakki wrote: >Mags wrote: > >> My understanding is that a person is allowed to be on welfare as well as >apply for student loans . The problem is that >the money you receive while >on welfare is calculated as "income" , affecting the amount of money the >government will >award you in student loans . > >I'm not sure about that Mags. One can always can get student loans here no >matter what one's income. Outright grants and some scholarships may be >another issue. I don't think the welfare system and the student loan system >is connected here. You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 15:36:32 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: why joni-only in the first placeNJC >? > >Yes, sometimes it is confusing whether to put the NJC tag. Right now, for >instance. There is no Joan content in this post, yet if I put it in the >subject line, the NJC list won't see this post which has to do with it >specifically. > > > I agree with you completely Kate. However, ALL posts go to the NJC list, whether they are marked or not. It is the Joni ONly list hwich does not get NJC marked posts. Th Joni list gets all posts, NJC or not. The Joni ONLY list does not get NJC posts. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 15:47:32 +0000 From: colin Subject: List NJC Things I Must Remember As A Dog 1. The garbage collector is not stealing our stuff. 2. I do not need to suddenly stand straight up when I'm lying under the coffee table. 3. I will not roll my toys behind the fridge, behind the sofa or under the bed. 4. I must shake the rainwater out of my fur before entering the house. 5. I will not eat the cats' food, before they eat it or after they throw it up. 6. I will stop trying to find the few remaining pieces of clean carpet in the house when I am about to get sick. 7. I will not throw up in the car. 8. I will not roll on dead seagulls, fish, crabs, etc. just because I like the way they smell. 9. I will not munch on "leftovers" in the kitty litter box; although they are tasty, they are not food. 10. I will not eat any more Kleenex or napkins and then redeposit them in the backyard after processing. 11. The diaper pail is not a cookie jar 12. I will not chew my humans' toothbrushes and not tell them. 13. I will not chew crayons or pens, especially not the red ones, or my people will think I am hemorrhaging. 14. When in the car, I will not insist on having the window rolled down when it's raining outside. 15. We do not have a doorbell. I will not bark each time I hear one on TV. 16. I will not steal my mom's thong underwear and dance all over the backyard with them. 17. The sofa is not a face towel. Neither are mom & dad's laps. 18. My head does not belong in the refrigerator. 19. I will not bite the officer's hand when he reaches in for mom's driver's license and car registration. 20. I will not play tug-of-war with dad's underwear when he's on the toilet. 21. I will not eat mint flavored dental floss out of the bathroom garbage; I do not want a string hanging out of my butt. 22. I will not roll around in the dirt right after just getting a bath. 23. Sticking my nose into someone's crotch is not an acceptable way of saying hello. 24. I will not hump on any person's leg just because I thought they needed a good hump. 25. I will not fart in my owners' faces while sleeping on the pillow next to their head. 26. I will not come in from outside and immediately drag my butt across the carpet. 27. The toilet bowl is not a never ending water supply and, just because the water is blue, it doesn't mean it is cleaner. 28. I will not sit in the middle of the living room and lick my crotch when company is over. 29. I will remember that suddenly turning around and smelling my butt can quickly clear a room. 30. The cat is not a squeaky toy so when I play with him and he makes that noise, it's usually not a good thing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:58:05 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: NJC welfare a long time ago, at a lower point in my life, i had to do this ... welfare and tuition assistance program (tap). this was in the late 70's. it is no picnic. i was congratulated by those in charge for actually being a success story for the system. heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:10 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: NJC welfare >>she was receiving welfare payments and then applied for a student loan so she could go to university.<< receiving student loans or scholarships while receiving welfare funds is totally allowable in the usa, or at least it was before the system was revamped... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:04:23 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: NJC welfare grants are usually for graduate students (or faculty) working on a research project. there is a ton of writing and explaining to do to apply for grant money (depending on the source). does anyone have more information on pell grants? please e-mail me privately if you do. thanks! heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of kakki Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:06 PM To: Mags N Brei; Kate Bennett; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: NJC welfare Kate wrote: > < totally allowable in the usa, or at least it was before the system was > revamped...>> I thought that people on welfare or other assistance could still get some kind of loans or grants for education. A friend was on welfare (single mom with a child) and got Pell Grants to attend Court Reporting school. Mags wrote: > My understanding is that a person is allowed to be on welfare as well as apply for student loans . The problem is that >the money you receive while on welfare is calculated as "income" , affecting the amount of money the government will >award you in student loans . I'm not sure about that Mags. One can always can get student loans here no matter what one's income. Outright grants and some scholarships may be another issue. I don't think the welfare system and the student loan system is connected here. >A sad state of affairs considering neither is enough to resemble a decent living wage. Try living on welfare or unemployment in California where they just released a report stating that the *average* montly rent is $1,600 a month!! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:22:32 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: NJC welfare i can't speak for canada but in the states, in the 70's, the welfare system made you feel like the lowest of lows. one has to set a goal ... a realistic goal ... then do everything in your power to achieve it. the system is there to assist and there ARE people there to help. one just has to find them. unfortunately the people who criticize a person for being on welfare get in the way. one has to stay focused. btw- i was on the system for 2 years. it used to be a treat to take my 2 yr old daughter to the local store in the summer for a popsicle when i had the extra change. simple memories. heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Mags N Brei Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:26 AM To: sl.m@shaw.ca Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: NJC welfare Mags in response to Sarah wrote: she must not have told either student loans or welfare that she was receiving both..and then she got caught. the system is not fair. How is one to get ahead if they cant even afford to live decently let alone go to school in order to hopefully gain a good job , become self sufficient, which is impossible to do on the money 'granted' from welfare or student loans. there is a high price to pay as demonstrated in this case. i am sorry to say that post secondary education in canada seems to be more of a privilege not a right. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:50:56 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Last chance for Covers #37 NJC In a message dated 2/6/2003 9:36:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > Just send me an e-mail guessing a song &an album and you're good to go! > Would it be "Wish That I Was There" from Hanson's "This Time Around" album? Just kidding :~) Folks, Covers #37 is a GREAT one. Lots of great performers, and only a sprinkle of cheese. Get your answers in. Only one guess per lister and you must be present to win. :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:51:42 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: Wally Breeze (njc?) A little birdy told me it's Marianne's birthday too! Happy Birthday Wally, and Marianne. Kasey happy Birthday Wally Breeze, February 6th your spirit lives on. . . . Marianne _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virusGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:00:40 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Steely Dan now Piano Jazz NJC writes: >Count me in as a Piano Jazz fan. I like Marian McPartland a lot ... > ... I think McPartland must be in her mid-80s now, yes? But if the >late violinist Stephane Grappelli showed us, high levels of creativity >and musicianship and age are mutually exclusive. Bob Hope perhaps shows us that creativity and age are mutually exclusive, but I think Grappelli and McPartland show us that they are not. (insert emoticon here) I love Marian McPartland, she's one of the greats for sure. Some of her shows are released on CD and well worth getting, particularly the one with pianist Bill Evans. >By the way, I just listened to Fred Simon's USUALLY/ALWAYS album again >today and I _always_ get a natural high with the title track that sampled >voices and made them blend with the instruments! A delight from start to >finish. Thanks so much for the sweet words. Can't beat that natural high. However, just to clarify, there are no sampled voices on the album ... everything is sung by real human singers in the studio. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 09:07:36 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC welfare I wrote: > Welfare or unemployment? Try living on the federal minimum wage of > $5.15 per hour!! Kasey responded: > I agree with you in part. What is the incentive for a mother or > father to go to work, pay child care, and leave their kids for a > wage less than can be had on welfare? I should have phrased my opening statement differently. I didn't mean to imply a choice between welfare or unemployment due to the low minimum wage. I was just bitching about the low minimum wage, period. Because here's the thing: if your mortgage or rent payment should ideally be 25% of your gross income and you make $5.15 an hour, then you should be paying $223 a month for mortgage/rent. Even if your mortgage/rent is HALF of your gross income, your payment should be $446 a month. Just mortgage or rent. No other expenses. And I said "gross" income, not net. Yeah, right. Would someone please point me in the direction of this affordable housing? Or is it just some hell hole?? Meanwhile, we can't understand why people who make $5.15 an hour don't pleasantly provide good customer service. Yet when was the last time you made eye contact and real conversation with the person bagging your groceries or cleaning your office after hours? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 12:08:42 -0500 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Re: Wally Breeze (njc?) Marianne, thank you for the remembrance of Wally. We all owe him so much. I wish that I ahd met him, but I always felt like I knew him because his gentle and loving spirit filled - and fills - the JMDL. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:09:18 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Steely Dan now Piano Jazz NJC In a message dated 2/6/03 3:48:53 AM, ink08@hotmail.com writes: >>>By the way, I just listened to Fred Simon's USUALLY/ALWAYS album again >today<< > >how can I get hold of this? > >mike in bcn Mike, thanks for asking ... I appreciate the interest. I'll email you with details. Anyone else interested feel free to email me at frednow@aol.com. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 09:12:59 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: You may be from Ohio if (NJC) > maybe that's just what those Ohio teams need, a little overhaul. I thought that's what the Bengals were doing when they came up with that god-awful tiger-striped helmet??? Lori, a Saints fan, no matter how they play ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:17:53 -0500 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Re: Musical tastes we'll take to the grave REVEALED! NJC My top 10, in no particular order. Each has a substantial body of work and broke a lot of (enjoyable) ground during his/her career, which were elements of my criteria. 1. Joni 2. Pat Metheny 3. Van Morrison 4. Miles Davis 5. Bob Dylan 6. Duke Ellington 7. Neil Young 8. Muddy Waters 9. The Beatles 10. Dizzy Gillespie Honorable mentions are too numerous to name, led by Thelonious Monk, Hank Williams, and Billie Holiday, I think. The Beatles were the first artists I followed closely, single to single and album to album - which came our way at a good clip in those days. Prior to that, I was an 8-year old with my ear to Top 40 radio, soaking in the early rock and roll, pop, country, and even crossover jazz hits of the day (i.e. Stan Getz's collaboration with Jobim and the Gilbertos on "The Girl From Ipanema," Ramsey Lewis's take on "The In Crowd," etc.) I credit that smorgasbord - and The Beatles, for starters - for opening me up to eclectic tastes in my teens. As far as guilty pleasures are concerned, I was always a sucker for the novelty hits as a kid, things like "Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny Yellow Polka Dot Bikini" and "The Purple People Eater." Among my favorites were these singles which would excerpt other current hits of the day and splice in the key lyric at the appropriate time. Remember those? They were often set up as an interview, and the answers to the interviewers questions were the excerpts. Q: "What was he wearing?" A: "A white sport coat, and a pink carnation" (a Marty Robbins hit back in the day). Best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:20:01 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: You may be from Ohio if (NJC) Hey! For your information that was a very good plan. We figured the other teams would be laughing to hard to tackle us. So there! Kasey I thought that's what the Bengals were doing when they came up with that god-awful tiger-striped helmet??? Lori, a Saints fan, no matter how they playGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:32:14 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: NJC welfare Every time. I never forget to say thank you to any one that provides a service. I try to engage some form of small conversation with them. I know the janitorial staff at work by name, and their spouses, and kids. I look at it this way, we are all people, with lives, what you do isn't who you are. I've made a lot of good friends this way. But by the same token, how much you earn should not influence what type of service you give. I've mentioned that my company is laying off, my partner and I are worried, however that doesn't change how I treat others. Unless of course you ask my partner, who is really sick of hearing me say, do we really need that? :) Kasey Meanwhile, we can't understand why people who make $5.15 an hour don't pleasantly provide good customer service. Yet when was the last time you made eye contact and real conversation with the person bagging your groceries or cleaning your office after hours? LoriGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 09:33:31 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Condemning, njc Laurent wrote: > My colleague at work says she prefers the looks of circumcised > penises, that the handling is different but otherwise no difference. The "handling" is different? lol ... Are we talking about dicks or race cars? I prefer the "cut" look as well, but I've always wondered about the pain and the lack of (or greater?) sensitivity. Guys? Can you shed some light on this subject? (or drop trou?) ; ) Lori, who often surprises men with her knowledge of why testicles are outside the body ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:47:36 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Queen of England and potential cuckoo in the nest NJC Lucy writes: << Di's life was a bit like that wasn't it though, pillar to post and never centering.... She should have found RUNES as they are soooo good for that... >> Is there an American English translation of this available? Also, what is a pillar box? I am reading a book which has mentioned 'pillar box' about 30 times. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:54:39 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Queen of England and potential cuckoo in the nest NJC i think it's brit for mailbox. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Murphycopy@aol.com Enviado el: Jueves, 06 de Febrero de 2003 02:48 p.m. Para: lulu.hone@virgin.net; colin@tantra-apso.com; sl.m@shaw.ca; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Queen of England and potential cuckoo in the nest NJC Also, what is a pillar box? I am reading a book which has mentioned 'pillar box' about 30 times. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 13:09:08 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Carnival in Kenora In a message dated 2/6/2003 9:14:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy writes: > here is a list of the Joni songs that she wrote, never > recorded, BUT were recorded by others: > > Winter Lady - by Gary Zack > Carnival in Kenora - by Gary Zack I have to correct my statement above...she DID in fact record "Carnival in Kenora" to acetate, but it was never released. This studio recording is in circulation, but I don't have a copy. Probably of interest to no one, but I felt it was an important correction. Bob NP: Hole, "Reasons To Be Beautiful" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:13:10 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Queen of England and potential cuckoo in the nest NJC << i think it's brit for mailbox. >> That was my guess too, but why don't they just say 'mailbox'? You know, the Brits may have invented English, but I think Americans made the language make sense! I hope this arrives in your e-pillar box okay! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 10:19:42 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC welfare > I never forget to say thank you to any one that provides a service. > I try to engage some form of small conversation with them. I know > the janitorial staff at work by name, and their spouses, and kids. Kasey, I'm pleased to learn that. It's a good example to follow. > But by the same token, how much you earn should not influence what > type of service you give. "Should not." I agree. I've explained to many people that the service and attitude they give has a direct effect on how they feel about themselves, how their customer feels, and (presumably) on their chances for promotion and generally getting ahead in life. But if you're constantly struggling and frustrated, it's sometimes hard to remember to be pleasant and give your best. And big businesses (and small businesses, for that matter) can't seem to understand that you get what you pay for. Here's a personal example (some of which I may have shared on-list before): Between 1989 and 1992 I worked for the eyewear (Ray-Ban) division of Bausch & Lomb in San Antonio. The company had moved recently its manufacturing facility to Texas to take advantage of the lower wage base (they no longer wanted to pay union wages of $7.50 an hour in Rochester, NY). People lined up for BLOCKS to get manufacturing jobs that started at $4.05 an hour because that was 25 cents more than the minimum wage at the time. It felt like a real "rah-rah" company at first. Most everyone went to the company store and bought Ray-Ban t-shirts for themselves and friends and family, and wore them proudly at work and elsewhere. But "rah-rah" doesn't last forever, and it doesn't pay the bills. I worked in Quality Assurance as a secretary, making $6.72 an hour - the "upper" end of the hourly wage structure. I used to argue with my boss about the sensibility of raising the wages of the manufacturing people by 50 cents an hour, based on the fact that it would equal $20 more per week, which could mean the difference between paying the electricity bill (or buying groceries) or not. She replied that headquarters didn't think 50 cents an hour was enough of a difference to bother with, and they would never consider it. Of course that was bullshit. There were 400 manufacturing people in that plant, and 50 more cents an hour for each of them would mean $416,000 a year more that Bausch & Lomb would have to pay its employees to assemble sunglasses. That's a lot of money - or is it? Those sunglasses cost maybe $10 a pair to make, and they sold for $80-$200 (or more) retail. As the workers there became more savvy (and why wouldn't they? even though B&L thought it was dealing with wetbacks who couldn't speak English and so had sent their managers to quickie Spanish school before moving them to Texas, the workers were in fact Mexican-Americans who knew an insult when they experienced one), they started asking for more and there was even (horrors!) talk of unionizing. (Management was told in no uncertain terms to squash any talk of THAT sort, or the company would simply move its business again.) People became more and more unhappy with their wages and they way they were treated by management, and eventually ... well, that plant is now closed. In fact, Bausch & Lomb, which invented Ray-Bans in 1937 and was once so (rightfully) proud of its brand, sold its entire Ray-Ban operation to Italy's Luxottica SpA in 1999. I'm sure there was more to it than the lack of a 50-cent raise, but I know the hard work, determination, dedication, and money that went into that San Antonio plant, and I have to wonder if greed didn't get the better of them and ruin everything. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:34:31 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: NJC welfare heather>>a long time ago, at a lower point in my life, i had to do this ... welfare and tuition assistance program (tap). this was in the late 70's. it is no picnic. i was congratulated by those in charge for actually being a success story for the system.<< me too...when i became a single mom i started out working but i only made enough to pay for my child's day care...the job situation was pretty dismal, there were other basic costs such as rent, food medical...so, desparate for other options & found out that if i returned to school that i could receive childcare (free, on campus), basic medical care (medi-cal), tuition assistance (pell grants), & a work study job on campus (part of a student aid package), food stamps & welfare cash assistance (btw, the cash was barely enough to pay rent in a one room studio with a hot plate for the both of us)... for the first 2 years i was able to get by without loans, when i transferred to the UC system the tution was higher so i had to take out loans...(& they are finally paid off!) i recall being deeply ashamed of resorting to welfare as i'd grown up in a family that looked down on that kind of thing (east coast republicans but they've since changed!)- & still, there is a part of me that finds it hard to admit... i was even investigated for fraud when someone reported that i was living with my son's father...which i wasn't & was cleared when they discovered that i was temporarily living at the home of the father's brother & girlfriend who kindly gave us a room to stay in because our previous house had been sold & we couldn't find another place right away...i never could figure out who reported me but talk about shame on top of shame!!! having to go through that when you are just struggling to keep all the pieces together... i sure learned a lot about how much prejudice there is out there against single parents...people who didn't want to rent you a house, people didn't want to give you a job...because you had a child & were divorced... however, there were many kind people too that came through for me...especially those at the college which was like entering an alternative universe- a haven, where like heather said, you were supported & cheered on for what you were accomplishing- it helped not only with opportunity but also with self worth...if it wasn't for welfare funds i don't know how i would have gotten out of the place i was in which on the verge of homeless... like, heather i was one of the many many great success stories...i received a special award for my workstudy job & was asked to meet with state reps (i guess as a good example of someone on welfare?), i stayed on the honor roll, received my degree magna cum laude from a highly regarded institution...all the time working a job (or more than one oftentimes), carrying a full load, raising a child... my story is not unusual, i have known so many women who were & are incredibly motivated to do well for themselves & their kid(s) & i'm pretty sure that the money i've made & been taxed on has more than paid back my debt to the welfare system by now...:} the welfare reforms that took place several years ago make it so much harder for women with children (it is largely women who are single parents but there are some men) to get ahead...recipients are required to work almost full time while going to school & are given a much shorter period of time to get some kind of job training & are financially supported in getting a four year education... i was lucky that the system that was in place then was so very supportive, it is so different r now...& like heather said, even then, it was no picnic...welfare funds are hardly enough to live on so the idea that someone would want to make a career out of receiving welfare is ludicrous...some reforms were definately in order but the ones that were made were created by wealthy white men who had NO clue... off my soapbox now! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #96 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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