From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #93 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 5 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 093 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Song choices for altos - any suggestions? njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC [coli] correctionRe: NJC "The Church" [colin ] Re: the Catholic Church NJC [colin ] Re: condeming NJC [colin ] Re: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC [sl.m@] Re: Song choices for altos - any suggestions? njc [colin ] Re: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC [sl.m@] Re: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC [coli] Re: Song choices for altos - any suggestions? njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #41 njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: joni is a sheep (or ram)! NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC [coli] Re: NJC foods I actually like [Gerald Notaro ] Re: condeming NJC ["kasey simpson" ] catherine's marriage proposal NJC [Mags N Brei ] Re: NJC Gluten free cooking NJC [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: NJC foods I actually like [colin ] NJC Jackson Browne NJC [Jane ] Re: NJC foods I actually like [Gerald Notaro ] Steely Dan NJC ["Mark Tatum" ] RE: Song choices for altos - any suggestions? njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] NJC Song choices for altos - any suggestions? njc ["Lucy Hone" ] RE: Queen of England NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: NJC foods I actually like [colin ] Re: Queen of England NJC [colin ] Claud, where are you [Steve Polifka ] Re: Queen of England NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Female artists (Joni) [Little Bird ] On Sows and Souses(SP?) -SJC ["Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: Song choices for altos - any suggestions? njc i've never really sung with an accompianist...but can't you ask her/him to change the key for you?...that way you can sing whatever you want in a key that is right for your voice... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 09:29:26 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC "The Church" Freddyb4@aol.com wrote: >Good to see this topic dicussed without anyone throwing the furniture around, >I'm not going to speak for all the Brits, but religion here is pretty well >dead, something like just 3% of the population go to church, > I think this just apllies to the Cof E and RC churches. MANY more people go to other churches.The rise of fundamentalism is strong. Many people go to syaggos(sp), mosques, and toeht places of worship. Spritiualist church serviices are well attended and happen sevrla times everyday all over the country. Conventional church attendence has dropped dramatically. >Anti American (Western) feelings > which is going to increase whent hisw ar gets going..... > > > Here you can come from any place in the World or beyond, never pay >a penny into the system, and like the terrorist recently caught, who were >planning to poison as many as they could, you will be housed and given enough >money to buy clothes and spend your days down the pub. > Unfortunately, this sort of thing has been said about immigrnats, legal or not, ever since we had them. it used to the jews, then the black people, then the asians and now evryone else. Sad. > UK >Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 09:34:41 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Word to the wise about President's Choice, Catherine. Their low fat > foods tend to be high in sugar, and their sugar-free foods tend to be > high in fat, so you're buggered either way. no you're not 'buggerd either way'. Fat is not harmful whereas thes ugar is. The combuination of sugar and fat is harmful. Fat on it's own is not harmful. Fat includes Olive oil(which by the way has the HIGHEST percentage, anout 14%, of saturated fat than any other oil). There are many societeis that have high fat diest and they do not suffer the rates of heart disease the some other societies do. Mianky because thy also have lower crab in their diets. Painting fat as the abddy is no longer scientifically correct. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 09:35:49 +0000 From: colin Subject: correctionRe: NJC "The Church" > syaggos(sp), I meant to write Synagogs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 09:39:07 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: the Catholic Church NJC According to the intelligence services here, there are no links. Bin Ladena dn Hussein have opposing views. There may have been a link years ago till they relaised they were enemies. sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Hi Kasey, > > Here's another one of my opinion links. This is a bit long and hard to > wade through, but it's good on on shedding light on why one half of > the US intelligence community believes Saddam is involved with > al-Qaeda and the other half doesn't. I remember a few people asking > about that so I thought this might be of interest. Remember, though, > it isn't a real "article", just some moron's opinion. ;-) > > From the New Yorker by Jefrrey Goldberg, actually a brilliant > journalist and Iraq specialist: > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030210fa_fact > > Sarah > > > At 8:34 AM -0600 02/04/2003, kasey simpson wrote: > >> Third, I must admit that I was shocked to learn all the links you >> provide are merely opinions and not based in fact. Silly me, I've read >> most of the links posted here, by you and others, and only now I find >> it is mere opinions. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 09:51:27 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: condeming NJC evry person alive has a belief system. It iis how we itnerect with life. Those beliefs are not alwsy 'good' and I and everyone else do comdemn them. The belief that people of a different race to one's own are infferior. The belief that poeple of a different gender are inferior. The belief that poeple of a different sexuality are inferior. The belief that it is okay to have sex with children. The belief that is okay to hit children. The belief that people are born wicked and must be saved. The belief that God made woman inferior to man . The belif that it is okay to indoctinate children into a particular religious belief. The belief thatis okay to mutilate children in the name or held belifs(circumscision of male and female children) The belief that those who think differently from us are evil. I condemn ALL of those beliefs. I don't comdemn the people that hold them as I believe all people can change. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 03:53:08 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC Colin, I agree about fat not being as harmful as was previously thought, but just a point about olive oil - in fact, soybean, peanut, palm oil and coconut oil are higher in saturated fat than olive oil Palm oil, at 50 per cent saturated fat, is even worse than lard or beef tallow, which I only realized a few weeks ago, when I read an article in the Guardian saying to avoid American-style peanut butter (which I love) because it's mixed with palm oil. I suppose this is why vegetarian soaps are often made with it. Loved your sentence: "Mianky because thy also have lower crab in their diets." ;-) Sarah At 9:34 AM +0000 02/05/2003, colin wrote: >The combuination of sugar and fat is harmful. Fat on it's own is not >harmful. Fat includes Olive oil(which by the way has the HIGHEST >percentage, anout 14%, of saturated fat than any other oil). There >are many societeis that have high fat diest and they do not suffer >the rates of heart disease the some other societies do. Mianky >because thy also have lower crab in their diets. Painting fat as the >abddy is no longer scientifically correct. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 09:53:43 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Song choices for altos - any suggestions? njc Let Carly sing them. A wonderful alto voice! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:00:03 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Colin, I agree about fat not being as harmful as was previously > thought, but just a point about olive oil - in fact, soybean, peanut, > palm oil and coconut oil are higher in saturated fat than olive oil > Palm oil, at 50 per cent saturated fat, well i don't use Palm oil! didn't realise it was a food! Howevr, I stand corrected. I guess the info I have is the Olive Oil has the hightest 5 of any oil avaliable in our supermarkets here. > is even worse than lard or beef tallow, but you see staurated fat is not 'worse' or 'good'-it is indiferent.. anything in excess is not likely to be good. However, if one eats a diet that islow in carbs, the only thing to really watch and not just for fatties but for skinnnies too, everyhting else will fall into place. You fat itake will reduce naturally with having to use lean meats which lose the flavour, without doing without butter etc. With the CARBS(see I can spell it!), fat becomes benign as well as it's intake being elssened. > . > > Loved your sentence: "Mianky because thy also have lower crab in their > diets." ;-) thank you, youare so kind ;-) > > > Sarah > > > At 9:34 AM +0000 02/05/2003, colin wrote: > >> The combuination of sugar and fat is harmful. Fat on it's own is not >> harmful. Fat includes Olive oil(which by the way has the HIGHEST >> percentage, anout 14%, of saturated fat than any other oil). There >> are many societeis that have high fat diest and they do not suffer >> the rates of heart disease the some other societies do. Mianky >> because thy also have lower crab in their diets. Painting fat as the >> abddy is no longer scientifically correct. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:01:52 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: condeming NJC colin wrote: > evry person alive has a belief system. It iis how we itnerect with life. > Those beliefs are not alwsy 'good' and I and everyone else do comdemn > them. I just KNOW soemone will pick me up on this mistake so i will correect myself now. Of course not EVRYONE will condemn those belifs I listed. What i emant was that we ALL condemn beliefs and if we say wed ont', we are bullshitting ourselves but no one else will be decieived. > > > The belief that people of a different race to one's own are infferior. > The belief that poeple of a different gender are inferior. > The belief that poeple of a different sexuality are inferior. > The belief that it is okay to have sex with children. > The belief that is okay to hit children. > The belief that people are born wicked and must be saved. > The belief that God made woman inferior to man . > The belif that it is okay to indoctinate children into a particular > religious belief. > The belief thatis okay to mutilate children in the name or held > belifs(circumscision of male and female children) > The belief that those who think differently from us are evil. > > I condemn ALL of those beliefs. I don't comdemn the people that hold > them as I believe all people can change. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 04:07:19 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC Colin, I'm glad you pointed this out because I eat a lot of olive oil and I didn't realize it was as high as 14 per cent. But I know what you're saying about the carbs being the culprit is true. I also took to heart what you said about sweetener the other day, that the body can't distinguish and the addiction is prolonged. I am virtually addicted to sweetener - I put it on/in everything - so I've started cutting down and aim to stop it completely. I use one that doesn't have aspartame in it, but even so, I think you're right about the brain not being able to tell one kind of sweetness from another. Sarah At 10:00 AM +0000 02/05/2003, colin wrote: >but you see staurated fat is not 'worse' or 'good'-it is >indiferent.. anything in excess is not likely to be good. However, >if one eats a diet that islow in carbs, the only thing to really >watch and not just for fatties but for skinnnies too, everyhting >else will fall into place. You fat itake will reduce naturally with >having to use lean meats which lose the flavour, without doing >without butter etc. With the CARBS(see I can spell it!), fat becomes >benign as well as it's intake being elssened. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:13:15 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Colin, I'm glad you pointed this out because I eat a lot of olive oil > and I didn't realize it was as high as 14 per cent. But I know what > you're saying about the carbs being the culprit is true. I also took > to heart what you said about sweetener the other day, that the body > can't distinguish and the addiction is prolonged. I am virtually > addicted to sweetener - I put it on/in everything - forunately for me, I have always HATED the taste of artificial sweeteners. I am more of savoury man myself tho i do LOVE Haggen Daz and pecan and maple pie! I alwsy think it srtange when isee people munching a high carb highcalorie meal and then wash ti down with a diet drink! My skinny partner always droank diet coke till I told him how bad it was for him. Now he drinks the real stuff. Just as bad! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 06:52:58 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Song choices for altos - any suggestions? njc --- Kate Bennett wrote: > i've never really sung with an accompianist...but > can't you ask her/him to > change the key for you?...that way you can sing > whatever you want in a key > that is right for your voice... Some of them may be able to do that, but not the one we have. On the other hand, she can play anything on the first try. That alone blows my mind. I could probably transcribe it myself, but it would be a long process and I'm basically lazy. It's a lot easier (for me) to shift keys on guitar if you're playing chords because you don't have to worry about individual notes, just relationships of one chord to another (and then there's the good old capo.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:00:55 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC --- colin wrote: > >With > the CARBS(see I can > spell it!), fat becomes benign as well as it's > intake being elssened. One of the things I enjoy about this list is being able to translate Colinese into English. I'm getting very good at it. :-) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:06:47 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Best Concert Experience Ever.. NJC --- Blair Fraipont wrote: > I have to share this experience with others. I've never heard of any of these people, but that sounds like a RIOT! It sounds like the kind of dreams I have, in fact. The really weird thing is, I was in an Old Navy store yesterday and one of the songs playing in the store was... "Sugar Town". I hadn't heard that song in years. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:12:36 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Re: joni is a sheep (or ram)! NJC OH boy some wonderful stuff for the genetics labs to get onto eh? --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Kate writes: rabbit fish here! and Bob wrote: Snake bull here! LOL, well I'm a monkey with crabs :~) That explains it. I am a Rooster Fish!!! so am I scaly or feathery, Fish and fowl!! Love the idea of a snake bull.....just think of the rib eye on a 26 foot long Aberdeen constrictor!!! Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:12:28 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #41 njc --- Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > I think women can also be songstresses, in theory > paving the way for a > parallel clarity to the actor /actress terms noted > above. As in, "Joni > Mitchell is my favorite singer" (leaving no doubt > where there already was > none). Somehow I think of "songstress" as not being the same as "singer", disregarding the whole gender thing. I think of it as having some kind of strings attached - like, a singer who is larger than life, or over the top, sort of a diva wannabe. To me there's almost a humourous connotation to the word, but I can't define why. (Sometimes I call my pets cattess and doggess because I like the sound - after all, there are tigresses and lionesses. Or then again, they could be she-cats and the she-dog.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:26:34 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC For Fred --- sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Hi Fred, your post reminds me of this post I was > sent yesterday. Not > sure I agree with the politics of it entirely (it > was sent by a > farmer friend of mine who has very particular > views), but it made me > laugh anyway. These kinds of things worry me because, even though I can see some of the points, they paint everyone with the same brush - not a good thing. I'm sure most of us, at different times, in different generations, have had the experience of being the foreigner and of not being welcomed to the neighbourhood. Most of us who live in the Americas or Australia and New Zealand, probably had ancestors (or parents) who came to this part of the world because they weren't welcome in their old world; or because their old world was torn apart. Whether it's the accent or the religion or the funny clothes or the weird foods or the skin colour, people always find ways to NOT welcome what is different. Those who cheat the welfare system often have roots in this country going back generations, so welfare fraud certainly isn't the exclusive domain of immigrants. In fact, unless you're an illegal immigrant, it's harder and harder to come here (in this case Canada) unless you have a solid means of support - either a profession that's needed here, or relatives who will sponsor you. I'm sure this is true of other countries as well. While I agree that there are definitely a lot of welfare cheaters, I also feel that there are certain people who are just helpless and who may simply be incapable of finding and keeping work; and a great many more who have fallen on hard times. And yet the trend is, blame the poor for being poor - it's their own fault for not trying hard enough. Blame the immigrants because they took your job away. Blame the immigrants because it's their fault you have to wait longer for hospital care. It ain't that simple - but it's so easy. I would rather take the chance on giving something to the real cheaters who don't deserve it than cut off someone who is deserving - and I think we're getting better at finding the frauds anyway; it's just a matter of paying attention. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:28:00 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni is a sheep (or ram)! NJC --- Lucy Hone wrote: > OH boy some wonderful stuff for the genetics labs to > get onto eh? > > --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > Kate writes: > > rabbit fish here! The rabbit fish reminds me of the receptionist we used to have at work years ago who took a message from someone who was calling about a "rabbit bat". Turns out the caller was inquiring about a "rabid bat." ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:29:00 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC >>in fact, would you marry me? (i think this is the second time i've asked you, you ungrateful wench.)<< Anyone who proposes marriage in this clumsy way deserves a refusal. IMHO, of course. Try being nice to her. meic in bcn PS the 'ungrateful wench' is probably not helping either. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:55:38 EST From: Freddyb4@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC kate Kate - Randy Newman There is some truth in that song, but I think he was getting at certain Americans as well. Following Sept 11th it was so sad to hear Young Americans saying the whole World must hate America, they don't, we don't, but it must have seemed that way to many, but how do you explain it away, Randy who will have travelled the World, turned his observations into this song. America is that guy or girl in school, who always had money, great clothes, lived in a great house, (s)he won every race, was captain of the school team, never had spots, passed every exam. To some they were an idol, while others, so green with envy, wished (s)he would choke on their sucess. Big shots can make enemies without knowing it, some tread on the little guys toes and don't give a damn, as so many stars find out with early sucess everyone loves you, once you reach the top of the tree, many of those people will want to shoot you down. GOD (if he exists?) BLESS OUR DIFFERENCES (and America ) I'm coming to walk the "Appalachian Way", then "The Great Devide" and I'm planning to stop off at Joni's for a cup of tea and a bite to eat, and a quick critique of her paintings, you're all invited. Will you tell her or should I ?? Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 13:11:48 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC Catherine McKay wrote: >> >> > >One of the things I enjoy about this list is being >able to translate Colinese into English. I'm getting >very good at it. :-) > see Catherine, my 'colinese' is de;iberate-it helps to excercie your brain cells...... > >===== >Catherine >Toronto > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:14:44 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: Gays' interest in Joni Hi-- I've beeen a lurker on this site for several years now, and rarely feel I have anything compelling to add to any of the discussions (I'm not a musician or Joni scholar by any means), but this one has my fingers itching to hit the keys... I've loved Joni since about 1986, when I bought Court & Spark on a lark one day, popped it in my car stereo and took off with Help Me (the only song I really knew of hers) igniting a passion that has only grown with the years. That voice, that joy, I was hooked for good. My faves are People's Parties, For Free, The Gallery, Marci, Little Green, Urge for Going, Amelia, Two Grey Rooms, Borderline...oh man, the list is LONG... I never even considered Joni as a gay icon, or that my passion for her lyrics, melancholy and inner revelations were something other gay men could relate to. I didnt' share my Joni passion with others at all, just kept it to myself, my own little respite from my inner demons. Her voice and longing and honesty were so appealing to me, and comforted me many times during the loneliness and isolation that I felt at the time were punishments I had to endure. Talk about finding a river to skate away on! I loved this woman! Of course, to really survive your youth and even adult life in such a homophobic world, we have to turn within, and explore our feelings and pain and try to figure out how to make it in this world, whether in career, family or being loved in general. Obviously Joni would resonate with anyone facing that battle; who better to contemplate life's continuous struggle for happiness and romance? ...as for the other 'divas' out there, I've had my moments to be sure with the usual suspects (Judy, Liza, etc.) and have a vast collection of female vocalists, but I grow tired of gay cliches, and I feel like I've grown past that limited phase; now I expect to me mainstream, I've lived in NYC too long to feel like a minority, I feel like I fit in anywhere, and don't need to put my sexuality on a stage or have it seperate me from anyone else--we're all people, right? Anyway, I've suddenly found myself, with time on my hands, certaInly no child to raise, and after an unexpected job lay off, no job for the moment to go to. Lots of time to think, so wanted to share these thoughts, with gratitude that there are others out there, thinking at times as I think, and sharing something unique, our love of one special woman's music. Thanks for the thoughtful posts on this subject. Mitch in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:16:35 EST From: Freddyb4@aol.com Subject: Re:SJC Catherie sings Hoagy Catherine you like to sing, and you take lessons, could you sing "My resistence is Low" you mentioned Hoagy, I love that song, I haven't a clue about "keys" I love to sing Carol Kings "Will you still love me tomorrow" to myself, how sad is that, and "You've got a friend" If James taylor introduced me as his brother, you probably would accept it, we share that leggy leaness, high cheek bones and lack of hair, but my eyes are probably set deeper, so deep that if I look sideways I can look out of my ears, would I lie. One day we'll do a duet "Long ago and far away" could you manage Joni's part "Where do those golden rainbows end" bye Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 08:17:43 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC Unfortunately, what it come down to is: If it tastes good, spit it out! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 13:29:51 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Gays' interest in Joni Rusty10113@aol.com wrote: > >Thanks for the thoughtful posts on this subject. > >Mitch in NYC > > > and thank you for shring your thoughts Mitch. Much I could identify with. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 13:31:08 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC Gerald Notaro wrote: > Unfortunately, what it come down to is: > > If it tastes good, spit it out! yes thatused to be the case! But not anymore.I had Indian Chicken and Spianch(Saag) curry for one of meals yesterday. delicious! > > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 08:36:41 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: NJC foods I actually like Even Tabasco makes a Chipitole Sauce now. Excellent! Jerry np: Jennifer Warnes - Millwork ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:35:16 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Calling on UK listers, njc Hi Y'all. Unable to see Peter Gabriel in Paris, I will see him in Birmingham on 19/5 at the NEC. Could someone please tell me whether these days the security in this type of event searches concert-goers for MD recorders? Any UK JMDLer attending the show? Thanks Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:01:24 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: condeming NJC Colin, You have made the point so much better than I. Thanks for this post. Kasey evry person alive has a belief system. It iis how we itnerect with life. Those beliefs are not alwsy 'good' and I and everyone else do comdemn them. The belief that people of a different race to one's own are infferior. The belief that poeple of a different gender are inferior. The belief that poeple of a different sexuality are inferior. The belief that it is okay to have sex with children. The belief that is okay to hit children. The belief that people are born wicked and must be saved. The belief that God made woman inferior to man . The belif that it is okay to indoctinate children into a particular religious belief. The belief thatis okay to mutilate children in the name or held belifs(circumscision of male and female children) The belief that those who think differently from us are evil. I condemn ALL of those beliefs. I don't comdemn the people that hold them as I believe all people can change.Get more from the Web. 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Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 06:08:28 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: NJC Gluten free cooking NJC I'm not sure who started this thread, but I've been following a gluten free diet for about 14 years. And I eat very well, thank you very much! (a little too well, based on the scale this morning LOL!) As far as cooking GF, you can't go wrong with the basics - fruits and veggies, grilled chicken, beef or fish (no breading of course!) and rice (not pilaf) or potatoes. Paz's famous shrimp recipe is GF and is to die for! However, evil lurks in sauces, including most soy sauce, gravies and the like. Even most soup contains gluten (except Pacific Organic). Fresh herbs are fine, of course. Spices by McCormick are also GF. Beer is out, but wine is ok. (Thank God!) Distilled vinegar is not ok, but cider vinegar is. Although I pretty much avoid all vinegar. Basically, any grains except corn and rice are not ok. I'd be happy to look at any recipes or menus to tell you if they look ok. Also, for baking, look for any mixes by the Gluten Free Pantry (in a striped turquoise package.) Also anything by Belo is fine. BUT anything by Gillian (Jillian?) is NOT ok, even though they claim to be gluten free. Good luck! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 14:25:26 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC foods I actually like Gerald Notaro wrote: > Even Tabasco makes a Chipitole Sauce now. Excellent! > > what is that? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 06:29:06 -0800 (PST) From: Jane Subject: NJC Jackson Browne NJC Mike, By all means, go see Jackson Browne. Apparently he has discovered the fountain of youth - looks and sounds like a man twenty yrs younger than he actually is. Kate may have a point about the natural foods... I have heard that he is particularly fond of Barcelona, so he will probably be in good form. I have seen him in concert several times in the past three years and if you like his music, which I do, it is a great show. Jane Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 09:29:07 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: NJC foods I actually like Chipotle is a smoked jalapeno. I first had it in mole sauce in Cholula, Mexico and just loved it. It is the only pepper to put in chili! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:30:35 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Queen of England NJC Sarah wrote to Jim..... "Subject: Re: Lama NJC Jim, what with Canada still being a member of the empire. . .oops, Commonwealth, one of our most potent weapons of mass destruction is the Queen of England. Even George Bush might think twice before taking on Saddam Hussein AND the Queen at the same time. " My reply.... OH the Queen...love the idea of her being a W of M D. We could send her to the desert to address the assembled Hussein supporters and she and Prince Phil could slowly walk around saying "Air Hellair, high chomming awf yoo too come, We yewsed to come hyah kemping wen may relatives were friendly with your leaders and it was wen yew all lieved in tents end hed those lovely camels... Indeed my husband and I hev still got some of the seddles thet were givin to us... Now I think yew should just give us back this bit of the desert end let us jolly nice people hev all the oil and ges. It will stop you from faiting end fainally put those ex-colonials from the Unated States in their places....HWAH HWAH HWAH HWAH " Actually we could send our royal family out to be a human shield, its about time they did something useful with their time!!! Princess Anne is supposed to be honorary commander of the Tank Regiment so why not make her earn her stripes... Edward was in the Marines (Oh yes he was ) and Charles and Andy Pandy were in the Navy.(and they both know how to fly helicopters).. What a wonderful way to abolish the monarchy.....send them to war!!! YAAAAHOOOOOO Sarah you are brilliant!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 09:23:09 -0600 From: "Mark Tatum" Subject: Steely Dan NJC I'm on the Joni-only digest, so this may be old news, but I recall that several jmdlers are Dan fans too. On 2/11/03 NPR will have Steely Dan on Marian McPartland's Jazz Piano, and on 5/6/03 Steely Dan will release a new album entitled "Everything Must Go". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:19:08 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Song choices for altos - any suggestions? njc can you speak german? or at least do the phonetics? the perfect song for your range is mahler's ich bin der welt abhanden gekommen. it's the fifth song in the ruckert (i can't do the umlaut) lieder cycle. mind you, it takes practice but it is pretty straightforward. it is short but oh so wonderful. not operatic at all. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Catherine McKay Enviado el: Martes, 04 de Febrero de 2003 11:46 p.m. Para: Jonilist Asunto: Song choices for altos - any suggestions? njc I'm taking a singing class and I have to pick a song to do solo. I have a hard time with this because I'm an alto. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:24:19 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: joni is a sheep (or ram)! NJC honey, what kind of job did you have that you got THAT kind of calls??? wallyK, by the way, a goat-rat - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Catherine McKay Enviado el: Miercoles, 05 de Febrero de 2003 09:28 a.m. Para: Lucy Hone; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: joni is a sheep (or ram)! NJC The rabbit fish reminds me of the receptionist we used to have at work years ago who took a message from someone who was calling about a "rabbit bat". Turns out the caller was inquiring about a "rabid bat." ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:26:51 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: marrying catherine NJC that wouldn't work. catherine breakfasts on "nice" people. we used to call her xena a few years ago until xena proved too mellow in comparison. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de mike pritchard Enviado el: Miercoles, 05 de Febrero de 2003 09:29 a.m. Para: wally kairuz CC: list Asunto: Re: some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC >>in fact, would you marry me? (i think this is the second time i've asked you, you ungrateful wench.)<< Anyone who proposes marriage in this clumsy way deserves a refusal. IMHO, of course. Try being nice to her. meic in bcn PS the 'ungrateful wench' is probably not helping either. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:28:43 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: NJC Song choices for altos - any suggestions? njc What about some of Bonnie Raitt.... The excellent "Love has no pride"... or "YOU" or "Dimming of the Day".... Or Fairport Convention "Farewell" or "Reynardine" or "Road to Fotheringay" What about Gillian Welch? "Paper wings" or "Aconey Bell" or "orphan girl" or Shelby Lynne.... Hey there are tons of good songs and your range seems similar to mine...What about Joni's "Urge for going?" that is a good one.... Guess I have to come to Joni Fest to hear you sing then!!! Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:30:30 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Gays' interest in Joni hello, mitch! sorry that you have such a lot of free time for such an awful reason. on the other hand, it got you out of lurkdom, and we're glad! i liked your post. wallyK, the one that uses all those exclamation marks!!!!!! - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Rusty10113@aol.com Enviado el: Miercoles, 05 de Febrero de 2003 10:15 a.m. Para: Bobsart48@aol.com; joni@smoe.org CC: littlebird3333@yahoo.com Asunto: Re: Gays' interest in Joni Hi-- I've beeen a lurker on this site for several years now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:34:41 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Queen of England NJC lucy!!!!!! i'm rolling rolling rolling on the floor!!!!!! i'd give anything to HEAR you say it! wallyK, whose one of his favorite hobbies is impersonating queen elizabeth - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Lucy Hone Enviado el: Miircoles, 05 de Febrero de 2003 11:31 a.m. Para: sl.m@shaw.ca; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Queen of England NJC "Air Hellair, high chomming awf yoo too come, ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 17:45:00 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC foods I actually like okay. thanks. now what is mole sauce? Gerald Notaro wrote: > Chipotle is a smoked jalapeno. I first had it in mole sauce in > Cholula, Mexico and just loved it. It is the only pepper to put in chili! > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 17:59:14 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Queen of England NJC >"Air Hellair, high chomming awf yoo too come, We yewsed to come hyah kemping >wen may relatives were friendly with your leaders and it was wen yew all >lieved in tents end hed those lovely camels... Indeed my husband and I hev >still got some of the seddles thet were givin to us... Now I think yew >should just give us back this bit of the desert end let us jolly nice people >hev all the oil and ges. It will stop you from faiting end fainally put >those ex-colonials from the Unated States in their places....HWAH HWAH HWAH >HWAH " > > > It'll be off to the Tower with you my girl! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 12:10:40 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Claud, where are you Hi Claudia, could you contact me privately? Thanks, Steve p.s. sorry no NJC Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 18:19:40 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Re: Queen of England NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "colin" To: "Lucy Hone" Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: Re: Queen of England NJC > >I WROTE.......re our royal (hah...... ROYAL = rich and lucky if you want my opinion and just had bigger swords and more friends who were prepared to kill others years ago!!!!) ANY WAY..I wrote...... > > > > > >"Air Hellair, high chomming awf yoo too come, HUGE EDIT...HWAH HWAH> >HWAH " > > > > > >COLIN WROTE TO ME.... > It'll be off to the Tower with you my girl! > > Ah but Colin you WOULD come and see me in the tower, wouldn't you??? and all the others too I think... Who would come and see me in the TOWER .there is a great view of the Thames and I could really claim that "Elizabeth I slept here", as did Queen Mary, Anne Boleyn, Thomas Cranmer, Walter Raleigh, William Wallace... Oh some of the most famous dead people in British History.... They wouldn't put me to death if all my friends came..... Worried and feeling a bit (t)reasonable.... Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:26:41 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Female artists (Joni) The problem with the division between males and females, as it pertains to the performance arena, is most obvious in the way artists are categorized by the industries in which they work. On Oscar night, for instance, there is no "best actor of all" category, where Meryl or Anthony could presumably compete against one another. Instead the "actresses" are lumped together and the "actors" are lumped together and compete against each other. This is ludicrous because this division by gender is, fundamentally, based entirely on the function of their sex organs! If we look at the history of women in the workforce, it is still presumed that women are not able to compete against men in an all-encompassing category - the proverbial glass ceiling. It's the same with sports. It was a big deal last week when a Canadian female hockey player was "allowed" to play professionally on an all-male team. Joni often cites the women impressionist painters who were never allowed to be a part of the Arts academy in Paris, simply because they were women, as an example of this segregation. She calls it a form of bigotry. In many cases, their art was as good or better than the male artists who were allowed to be members of the academy. It's sort of this "old boys club" mentality where they are left to make all the important contributions and get recognition for it while the "little women" are left to talk about domestic details in the back kitchen. I think Joni resents not being able to compete against Dylan or Santana or Cohen. The subtext of being lumped together with the women is that she's really good...for a woman. In fact, she's the best...as far as women are concerned. And that's too bad, because as far as I'm concerned (a man!) she beats them all, hands down, in terms of creative vision and devotion to art. Perhaps if there wasn't this segregation by sex in the competition categories more people may take note of the art itself, rather than the gender of the person producing it. - -Andrew Bobsart48@aol.com wrote:Catherine wrote > Hey, it ain't me, Fred - Joni's constantly complaining > about being called the best *female* or *woman* > singer/ songwriter/ whatever. I think when it comes to > talent, a person's sex shouldn't make any difference. > I have a hard time with the actor/actress thing too - > I'm too used to saying actress when it's a woman. > Alhough men and women are both singers, not singers > and singesses. We're awfully inconsistent about that. > Well, in an odd sort of way, females have the better of it in terms of clarity of terminology. For example, I could say that Anthony Hopkins is my favorite actor, but the listener would not know if I meant he was my favorite male actor or my favorite overall actor. Because of the 'standard' carelessness of speakers in general ( as well as the logic 101 of it), I could also say that Meryl Streep is my favorite actress, and one would still not know whether she was also my overall favorite. But if I call Meryl my favorite actor (as I often do), there is no doubt what I mean. There is no simple term available for me to convey the same thought about a male. I think women can also be songstresses, in theory paving the way for a parallel clarity to the actor /actress terms noted above. As in, "Joni Mitchell is my favorite singer" (leaving no doubt where there already was none). :-) Bob'sart Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:27:10 -0500 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: On Sows and Souses(SP?) -SJC Thanks for the bond girl ad Silly- my natural predeliction toward something higher than the base instinct alone questions; where pray tell is the mail counterpart to this ad - ie have we ads influencing the impressionable minds of young males to be "ken-like"? So thus that shit is not innocent, silly or anything else - the young are naiive = so were we Take for example the be a sow mentality of the present age - your ideal may be but all things truly considered a woman should take anything you can get because men, trained at this point to be sports souses take anything they can get - hey is I wanted to grow up to wait on a beer brain they should have stopped my schooling in the first grade! I THINK THE CURRENT SOCIAL CULTURE IF YOU CAN CALL IT THAT SUCKS - HOW THE FUCK DID WE GET HERE? OUR ANCESTORS FUCKED, AND WITH LESS FANFARE I MIGHT ADD! SO NOW WE CAN INCREASE THE SURPLUS POPULATION AND SEND OUR SUZIES AND JONNIES OFF INTO THE WILDERNESS OF SOWS AND SOUSES AND BLOCK OUR MINDS FROM EVALUATING OUR PREPATORY FAILURES ON THEIR BEHALF! I ask you what the fuck did our ancestors search for that the end best we can do is sell this idiotic framing of women and less so men? Can you imagine what it is like to be a mind like Mitchell's in Hollywood? 99% of the stars, loosely granted, on the roster in Hollywood get my "most likely to be forgotten in History Award"! When people like Charo and Zsa Zsa Gabor get more air time than geniuses like Joni Mitchell you know we are in for a long boring time of it - so solution - BE YOUR CROTCH???? And here new and improved we can even define that for you - having a problem accepting our definition of your crotch as your own - buy this dandy vibrator comes with lubricant jell - oh shit I did say it - sorry folks as dismal as being alone is I would rather do so than fall to the vibrator to get through my man! So to whomever it was ( i have forgotten the slight already) who said I have mental problems I can only reply - from the looks of things there are millions of them! Enjoy me sweets! S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 13:16:58 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Queen of England NJC LOL, Lucy I love the accent - perfect! But tell me, have you actually MET the royal family???? (or seen them?) I have three encounters: -- literally bumped into Prince Edward at a summer ball, him running one way, me the other, him holding a bowl of strawberries, and we had a head on collision with us both ending up on the ground, legs in the air, me in a ballgown, no dignity left, covered in strawberries. - -- lived opposite a theatre where Prince Philiip and Prince Charles used to go frequently, and they always walked past my window, no bodyguards, just the two of them walking, both wearing the same raincoats, both with hands behind back. - -- Princess Anne came to visit a sports centre where I lived as a kid. We all lined up to shake her hand, thinking it funny to have one hand behind our backs on which we had giant furry gorilla hands - the idea being we would all stick our monkey hands out for her to shake as she walked past. In fact, as she approached us, she looked so beautiful and had such a lovely smile, that we all felt ashamed and threw the furry hands away, and shook hands with her properly. That's it for me. Have never seen the Queen and never saw Princess Di. I did go to Kensington Palace on the day she died, which was an incredible experience. Even bus and taxi drivers (and you know what they're like in London) were stopping to let people cross the road. Skinheads mixed with little old ladies mixed with Rastafarians and everyone felt connected, none of the usual differences. In that sense it was magic, although a horrible thing to have caused it. Sarah At 2:30 PM +0000 02/05/2003, Lucy Hone wrote: >"Air Hellair, high chomming awf yoo too come, We yewsed to come hyah kemping >wen may relatives were friendly with your leaders and it was wen yew all >lieved in tents end hed those lovely camels... Indeed my husband and I hev >still got some of the seddles thet were givin to us... Now I think yew >should just give us back this bit of the desert end let us jolly nice people >hev all the oil and ges. It will stop you from faiting end fainally put >those ex-colonials from the Unated States in their places....HWAH HWAH HWAH >HWAH " ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #93 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)