From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #92 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 5 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 092 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: the Catholic Church NJC [] RE: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC [Cathe] Re: NJC now some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't [Cathe] Lama NJC [Mags N Brei ] RE: Musical tastes NJC ["Heather" ] Re: NJC Gluten free cooking NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: joni is a sheep (or ram)! NJC [Catherine McKay ] shades of country joe now randy newman njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: NJC LP's v CD [Freddyb4@aol.com] RE: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC [sl.m@] Re: NJC LP's v CD [sl.m@shaw.ca] RE: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC [Cath] RE: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't ["Heather] RE: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC ["Hea] Re: NJC foods I actually like [vince ] Song choices for altos - any suggestions? njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC "The Church" [Freddyb4@aol.com] Re: Musical tastes NJC [Susan Guzzi ] The Best Concert Experience Ever.. NJC ["Blair Fraipont" ] Today in History: February 5 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Canadian WMDs NJC ["kakki" ] Re: Song choices for altos - any suggestions? njc ["kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:49:47 -0500 From: Subject: Re: the Catholic Church NJC Yeah, I'll bet you have weapons of mass destruction in Canada, like those ugly General Motors cars you guys make in Ontario. Sara, you're next! You might think the USA would irrigate with Canadian water, but with our thirst for oil we might irrigate California with Canadian oil instead. (All the better to lubricate the San Andreas fault, I say!) Watch that border and remember: At one time Iraq was our trusted ally. Lama :) Sara said, >>>> Kasey, yes, we do have oil! And uranium too. Now that you mention it, there's been a lot of talk about how we let in the 9/11 hijackers, and how our water is needed to irrigate Californian deserts, and about what a nuisance the Canadian border is. . . ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:57:44 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC --- mike pritchard wrote: > >>but vegetables have to be prepared just so (I > don't know how to do it, but they > have to have some crunch and colour left in them > when they're cooked.<< > are you steaming? No, more like raging! Seriously, I do try to steam my veggies but I never time it right. You have to wait until almost the last minute when the rest of the food is ready, otherwise, they get overdone. Yecch. No wonder kids hate vegetables so much. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:00:25 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC now some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't --- Kate Bennett wrote: > this reminds me of when i was young & recoiling in > horror the first time i > saw a jar of artichoke hearts! being from the east > coast, not knowing what > artichokes were, i thought they belonged to some > kind of strange green > animal or maybe an exotic animal/vegetable! i had > quite an imagination... That would scare me too. Hearts? Choke? and people eat those things? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:03:45 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Lama NJC Lama wrote in response to Sarah's post: <<>> oh Jim. How did you find out about our national secret???? Well now that the sordid truth is out.. I feel it is only fair to warn you and all other Americans that three day old Tim Bits are the deadliest weapon known to wo/man kind. When catapulted southward across the 49th, the shot patterns they create cause tremendous damage to mr. dunkin and his houses of ill repute and ms. kreme .. you better watch out if you dare to venture up any further than Mississauga :-PPPPP howling out loud, Mags and Brei You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:05:23 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Musical tastes NJC yes ... ms gore was at the mohegan sun casino recently. heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:44 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Musical tastes NJC >>I've got "The Golden Hits of Leslie Gore" which I bought partly out of nostalgia and partly for its kitsch value. I really think someone should do a musical play of all her songs - it would be fairly easy to attach a plot to it.<< that would be a great musical play! i have most of her 45s! i loved leslie gore & along with janis ian, my first female heros as a child! i was recently in touch with someone who plays with leslie gore who is performing & touring once more... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:06:03 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Gluten free cooking NJC --- Chris Marshall wrote: > This is another variant on the age-old recipe > thread, > I'm afraid. > > A friend of mine is gluten-intolerant, and I end up > cooking for him now and again, so I'm searching for > inspiration in terms of good tasty gluten-free > recipes. I don't know if this would help but there's a whole lot of stuff on the, well, the internet (fancy that). Just do a google search on "gluten free recipes". (I once worked with a guy who had celiac disease AND was lactose intolerant - poor bugger! what could he eat? Mostly ricecakes.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:06:30 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni is a sheep (or ram)! NJC --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Kate writes: > > << rabbit fish here! >> > > and Bob wrote: > > Snake bull here! > > LOL, well I'm a monkey with crabs :~) > That explains it. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:07:17 EST From: Freddyb4@aol.com Subject: "Sheepish looks" NJC Watch it Wally, I was born in Llanfrecfa, so that makes me Welsh, and I threw my wellies away years ago, and I can Baaarely bring my self to eat a leg of Lamb. Man walks into the Butchers, butcher says, "Good morning sir, can I help you ?" Man says "Have you got a pigs head" butcher replies "No, it's just the way I comb my hair" just testing out "Global Humour" Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:08:50 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: RE: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC Catherine wrote: <<>> Well Catherine, again, this must be a Canadian conundrum...however, since Im now south of aforementioned border in my most previous poste, i dare say that I think honeyboi and I have discovered yet another secret remedy for your vegetable problem. We did rage the veggies in stages tonight poor things.....carrots were four minutes, barclay three minutes and zucchini for 30 seconds. try it & let me know ;-) You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 19:15:58 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Lama NJC Jim, what with Canada still being a member of the empire. . .oops, Commonwealth, one of our most potent weapons of mass destruction is the Queen of England. Even George Bush might think twice before taking on Saddam Hussein AND the Queen at the same time. But just to be safe, we keep an eye open in these parts for people with North American accents who don't say 'eh' at the end of every sentence. ;-) Sarah At 7:49 PM -0500 02/04/2003, jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: >Yeah, I'll bet you have weapons of mass destruction in Canada, like >those ugly General Motors cars you guys make in Ontario. Sara, >you're next! You might think the USA would irrigate with Canadian >water, but with our thirst for oil we might irrigate California with >Canadian oil instead. (All the better to lubricate the San Andreas >fault, I say!) > >Watch that border and remember: At one time Iraq was our trusted ally. >Lama :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:18:38 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: journalism, articles and opinions NJC --- sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Remember, though, > it isn't a real "article", just some moron's > opinion. ;-) Rhetorical question: can journalism be completely objective? (Rhetorical answer: I have no idea, but somehow I doubt it. My feeling is that it may have once tried to be, but that no one even pretends any more. But, other rhetorical question: what do I know?) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:36:21 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Fave Joni Lines (Magdalene Laundries) NJC David writes: << And a much more effective critique than tearing up the Pope's picture. >> bob murphy >> I could understand this young Irishwoman's anger. I wonder if this incident was treated differently in the Irish and European media. In the US, Sinead was trashed by virtually everyone.<< i remembering thinking she was quite brave (i never ever got the 'pope' idea)... anyway, i guess i felt that i understood her anger too on some level... but i don't want to dive into THAT discussion other to mention a bob dylan birthday tribute that we have on video... when sinead comes out to perform (i wish i knew what she INTENDED to sing) the crowd really boos her badly...she just stands there for a long minute then commands the band to stop what they have begun to play & sings/more like shouts out an accapella version of bob marley's 'war' (i think that is the title) ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:36:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Jackson Browne Concert NJC mike, he's in amazing shape & has hardly aged, certainly not musically or vocally...whether playing solo or with a band, he can really deliver a song! go see him! >>Jackson Browne playing here in April. Anyone seen him lately? What kind of shape is he in? Any comments? Worth seeing? mike<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:40:17 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: shades of country joe now randy newman njc ron your song reminded me of an old, but relevant, randy newman song (from the album sail away 1972) that a friend performed the other night...here it is: Political Science No one likes us-I don't know why We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try But all around, even our old friends put us down Let's drop the big one and see what happens We give them money-but are they grateful? No, they're spiteful and they're hateful They don't respect us-so let's surprise them We'll drop the big one and pulverize them Asia's crowded and Europe's too old Africa is far too hot And Canada's too cold And South America stole our name Let's drop the big one There'll be no one left to blame us We'll save Australia Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo We'll build an All American amusement park there They got surfin', too Boom goes London and boom Paree More room for you and more room for me And every city the whole world round Will just be another American town Oh, how peaceful it will be We'll set everybody free You'll wear a Japanese kimono And there'll be Italian shoes for me They all hate us anyhow So let's drop the big one now Let's drop the big one now ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:40:39 EST From: Freddyb4@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #91 Lori / Marriane David Cassidy, yes, I think he could have been more of a pop star, but record companys aimed his music at love sick girls, he could sing, and I have to admit I have an album (belonged to my Ex) "The Higher they climb" my favourite track "Tomorrow" ? What I don't like about him, is he still looks too good. I had pictures of Bobby Charlton and George Best stuck on my wall, well who would want pictures of girls on their wall?? I was a slow starter !! "who the hell is Bobby Sherman ??" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:50:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC --- Mags N Brei wrote: > > Well Catherine, again, this must be a Canadian > conundrum...however, since Im now south of > aforementioned border in my most previous poste, i > dare say that I think honeyboi and I have discovered > yet another secret remedy for your vegetable > problem. We did rage the veggies in stages tonight > poor things.....carrots were four minutes, barclay > three minutes and zucchini for 30 seconds. > > try it & let me know ;-) > Shall do, but how do you take some of the blandness away without adding a lot of fat? Hmmm, maybe President's Choice makes something ;) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:52:09 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: update update update (njc) --- Victor Johnson wrote: > I've been lurking and deleting (mostly deleting) for > the past few weeks and > have gotten a jist of current/recent threads...my > only comment is re the > current JC/NJC thread and is directed towards anyone > who is in a big uproar > over all of this-- GET A LIFE! LOL. I think that thread had pretty much died out but way to start it up again. (with the njc in the title, the joni-onlies won't get it anyway - hee hee.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:58:10 EST From: Freddyb4@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC LP's v CD Just to say years ago I knew someone who worked for Nimbus records in Monmouth, who were developing Cd's, of course you lose the "drag" of needle on vinyl, but the biggest problem was the loss of depth of sound. Around that time I also spoke to someone about the amount of money some people spend on sound systems, he was very clever, wrote for classical magazines about accoustics, different sounds, variations between types of wood in string instruments which he made himself. He pointed out, that it doesn't matter how much you spend on a system, if the room it's in is not right. A good room and a cheaper system can sound pretty good, makes sense!! Bye Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 20:00:51 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: RE: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC Word to the wise about President's Choice, Catherine. Their low fat foods tend to be high in sugar, and their sugar-free foods tend to be high in fat, so you're buggered either way. I make a salad dressing for steamed veggies, probably not to everyone's taste, but it's a very small amount of extra virgin olive oil, a lot of balsamic vinegar, quite a lot of sweetener (I use Sugar Twin as it has no aspartame) and mustard. That takes the edge of the veggies. ;-) Sarah >Shall do, but how do you take some of the blandness >away without adding a lot of fat? Hmmm, maybe >President's Choice makes something ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 20:03:14 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: NJC LP's v CD Fred, did he say what makes a good room? Because I've noticed the same thing: some less expensive systems sound great in certain places, but more expensive ones can sound bad elsewhere. I've never been able to figure it out. Sarah At 8:58 PM -0500 02/04/2003, freddyb4@aol.com wrote: >I also spoke to someone about the amount of money some people spend >on sound systems, he was very clever, wrote for classical magazines about >accoustics, different sounds, variations between types of wood in string >instruments which he made himself. He pointed out, that it doesn't matter >how much you spend on a system, if the room it's in is not right. A good room and a cheaper system can sound pretty good, makes sense!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:28:40 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC --- sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Word to the wise about President's Choice, > Catherine. Their low fat > foods tend to be high in sugar, and their sugar-free > foods tend to be > high in fat, so you're buggered either way. Of course you've noticed that things are either "low-fat" (or lo-fat!) or sugar-free, but rarely both, so I don't get sucked in by that - I read the fine print on the labels (or try - the print is a bit TOO fine for me). PC is a bit of a joke between Mags and me. I make > a salad dressing > for steamed veggies, probably not to everyone's > taste, but it's a > very small amount of extra virgin olive oil, a lot > of balsamic > vinegar, quite a lot of sweetener (I use Sugar Twin > as it has no > aspartame) and mustard. That takes the edge of the > veggies. ;-) Sometimes just a bit of lemon juice and olive oil is good too. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:30:26 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't I'll bake cookies and even bring them to jonifest if you guys can make it. You can cook in my kitchen any time Wally! The furniture is made of Jell-O though .... hee hee. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Wally Kairuz Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:56 AM To: Catherine McKay; joni@smoe.org Subject: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't cathya, then you'd be my perfect dinner guest. i specialize in curry dishes, spicy foods, and chinese. i steam my vegetables so that they will be crunchy and retain their colors. i have never stuffed a mushroom in my life, i abhor jello and i am a total stranger in the starbucks realm. i am a cookie freak -- but then can you bake them or should we resort to heather? in fact, would you marry me? (i think this is the second time i've asked you, you ungrateful wench.) wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:32:13 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC wasn't wofat a character on Hawaii 5-0? ooooh .... low fat. never mind. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:29 PM To: sl.m@shaw.ca; Mags N Brei Cc: list Subject: RE: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC --- sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Word to the wise about President's Choice, > Catherine. Their low fat > foods tend to be high in sugar, and their sugar-free > foods tend to be > high in fat, so you're buggered either way. Of course you've noticed that things are either "low-fat" (or lo-fat!) or sugar-free, but rarely both, so I don't get sucked in by that - I read the fine print on the labels (or try - the print is a bit TOO fine for me). PC is a bit of a joke between Mags and me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 21:38:21 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: NJC foods I actually like Chipotle. Go to your local Mexican food store or large super store that carries import items and get chipotle sauce, chipotle chips, chipotle chilies if you can find them, and eat eat eat - the most addicting food taste I have ever had (other than the very different chocolate). Chipotle sauce works on everything, including meat. Chipotle chips - eat them out of the bag or with my organic vegetarian burritos. (I do meat and veg, I am bi that way) Chilies - haven't found them yet but when I do, I will fill my bathtub with them and just bath in chipotle so it enters every pore of my body. Can't get enough... Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:45:42 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Song choices for altos - any suggestions? njc I'm taking a singing class and I have to pick a song to do solo. I have a hard time with this because I'm an alto. I could probably hit the D above the D above middle C on a good day, but would prefer to go no higher than the C above. The problem is that most songbook collections seem to be aimed at people with higher voices, and tends to be very limited for anyone who's not a soprano. And the stuff in the mezzo- or alto collections is often songs I don't like that much. Songs I've done previously are "Don't cry for me, Argentina" and "Skylark" by Hoagy Carmichael & Johnny Mercer (I found a "low" version that didn't go above the B above middle C). I was even thinking of a Joni and thought maybe "Blue Motel Room" but the problem is, I don't have the music for this and I need to be able to provide the music for the accompanist (piano.) So, that's probably out (maybe next time.) Whatever it is should probably be a "standard" type of thing (didn't we just talk about this?) I don't think I'm ready for opera yet, probably never will be, so "Nessun dorma" is right out. I have a few ideas in mind, such as "Bewitched (bothered and bewildered)" or "I could write a book" by Rogers and Hart since these don't go higher than C over middle C. Also, maybe Judy Collins' "Since you've asked" (in fact, there's a ton of stuff in her songbook that I have that would probably do the trick.) My teacher suggested "Send in the clowns" (speaking of Judy Collins) but I don't think I can ever hear that song again without thinking about Krusty the Klown's Komeback special, (Send in the clown. Don't bother. I'm here.) so I'd never be able to do it without laughing or wanting to change the words (to Send in the Clones, perhaps?) If anyone has any ideas, please let me know because I'm getting a bit frustrated with this. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:47:17 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: NJC some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't NJC --- Heather wrote: > wasn't wofat a character on Hawaii 5-0? ooooh .... > low fat. never mind. Lady, I think you've got the Wong number! Ba doomp doomp! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:50:11 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC foods I actually like --- vince wrote: > Chipotle. > > Go to your local Mexican food store or large super > store that carries > import items and get chipotle sauce, chipotle chips, > chipotle chilies if > you can find them, and eat eat eat - Chipotle. It sounds kind of like a term of endearment. My little chipotle. This is another one to add to the names I call my children or pets. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 22:06:16 EST From: Freddyb4@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC "The Church" Good to see this topic dicussed without anyone throwing the furniture around, I'm not going to speak for all the Brits, but religion here is pretty well dead, something like just 3% of the population go to church, and they are mainly the older folk, maybe hoping to get a seat on that last train. The congregation aren't at fault, those within the church are often so far out of touch with the real World. Anti American (Western) feelings in the developing World are due to a fear I think, among Muslim leaders, that education and freedom will weaken their hold over their people. Religion involved in politics always leaves a nasty taste in the mouth, people cannot speak their minds because it will be turned on them as if they are speaking against their religion. I can speak out against / or question religion because the only person I need fear is God, if (S)He exists. For so many Muslims, not attending church, or questioning what it says could mean death at the hands of idiots who think they are carrying out Gods wishes, These people who manipulate and corrupt in the name of religion are the ones who should (Will) burn in hell. MOST disturbing thing I have seen on TV recently, a report from the US on BBC "Newsnight" about the growth of "Mega Churches" vast amounts of money being spent, one holds 14,000 people, one vicar, priest, what ever, was talking about it like it was a Rock Concert, he said the head of that church told him, "I'm not just a priest, I'm Mayor of this Town" not a religious bone in his body, you could almost see the Dollar signs roll round in his eyes, why are people taken in so easily. Send me 10 Dollars and I'll say a prayer for you. I'll say a prayer for anyone for nothing, and hold out a hand to help, but I'm not a believer, but my prayer would be sincere. Not so long ago there was a report from New York, retired people having to return to work because of the affects of slumps in pension funds, and people who once had good jobs going to special shops where they were allocated food hand outs, is that just the luck of the draw, or is something wrong?? Here you can come from any place in the World or beyond, never pay a penny into the system, and like the terrorist recently caught, who were planning to poison as many as they could, you will be housed and given enough money to buy clothes and spend your days down the pub. But if you are like me, and after 36 years of paying in you should lose your job, if your kids are grown up you get #54 a week, and if you want to pay your mortgage, you're told you will have to go out and rob a store or mug a granny, but the illegal immigrants have already done that, they must think we are the dumbest people on Earth Sorry to go on and on and .... UK Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:08:14 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Musical tastes NJC I must jump in with my favorite Leslie Gore memory/moment ... It as when she was on Batman! She played one of Cat womans little cronies or kittens and she sang "California Nights" to Batman - and he kind of dug it. I think he even did the Batdance to it or with her. And of course it all took place in the Villan's den so it was slanted. Or maybe I am just remembering a bad dream. I don't trust my own memory any more. As Cat Woman would say, and of course Eartha's was the best of that lot, "I used to remember it all purrrrfectly! Peace, Susan NPIMH: ZAP! POW! ZONK! SPLAT! - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > >>I've got "The Golden Hits of Leslie Gore" which I bought partly out of > nostalgia and partly for its kitsch value. I really think someone should do > a musical play of all > her songs - it would be fairly easy to attach a plot to it.<< > > that would be a great musical play! i have most of her 45s! i loved leslie > gore & along with janis ian, my first female heros as a child! i was > recently in touch with someone who plays with leslie gore who is performing > & touring once more... > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com > Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs > Over the Moon- > "bringing the melancholy world of twilight > to life almost like magic" All Music Guide > ******************************************** Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 22:50:58 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: The Best Concert Experience Ever.. NJC I have to share this experience with others. It took place on Super Bowl Sunday and missing the game didn't even come into my mind as the excitement of seeing this group was building within me for a week. I went with my good New York buddy, Litza. It was a group called The Three Terrors and consisted of Stephen Merrit of the Magnetic Fields and two of the male singers from 69 Love songs, Dudley (The Luckiest Guy on the Lower East Side) and L.D. (All my little Words, Bitter Tears). They perform only once or twice a year and when they do, each show has a certain theme. This year they were playing at the Bowery Ballroom ( I was overly excited to finally have a reason to go there. For years, favorite bands or artists leave their mark at this infamous spot) and the theme for this years performance was Intoxication!! Yes, they performed two sets of songs either about drinking, smoking, or other rarely documented songs about chemical altering substances. There was an opening act, a belly dancer, who I swore was a man or tranny, but Litza corrected me, No, those were female child bearing hips! The belly dancer was accompanied by two men dressed up as U.N. inspectors who were probably there to inspect any Un-American activity. It was a gas. The belly dancer gave them some exotic cocktail in a martini glass and they both passed out. At the end of her set, the belly dancer threw candy, glitter, and artificial dollars with her face on the bills onto the audience. She deserved and received a huge round of applause and now it was time for the stage to be set for The Three Terrors!! There were so many different musical instruments I was squirming with anticipation for the show to begin. There was a baby grand piano, a synthesizer, guitars, guitars, guitars, a banjo, shakers, finger cymbals, a toy piano, a little wind up toy-jug bear, ukelelee (sp?), a large vase-like wine jug which was hit on the top with a soft plastic covered hammer, and more that I cannot recall at this moment. Litza and I were right up front enthralled by the transformation of the stage to a seemingly esoteric musicians garage sale. The band came on to an uproarious rise from the audience. Stephen Merritt and LD were both wearing pajamas and Dudley the Cute guy was decked out in some sort of fur vest and a headband with a feather. LD later joked that Dudley was wearing a Merkin vest and Dudley replied, No, it is chunchilla. They began with a salvation army stomp-folky number, One Toke over the line, followed by a Tom Lehrer song about a 1920s drug seller, Old Dope Peddlar they would sing the songs together and LD, Dudley and Stephen would all have their solo numbers. They did everything from Love is the Drug by Roxy Music to Mothers Little Helper to Sugar Town by Nancy Sinatra and dug as far back as the 16th century for some sort of drinking madrigal, We Be Soldiers Three. Throughout the show there was so much in between song banter!! I love when performers are giddy and full of life. LD, DUdley and Stephen Merritt all openly joked with each other and even with audience members. And because of this the show felt very relaxed, open and freeing as compared to other performers who may seem stiff or inclined to play and get off the stage as soon as possible. Well, after the second set they came back for an encore of Initials from the Hair soundtrack and then the Belly Dancer and a stage hand began to hall large cases of Rolling Rock Beer unto the stage!! There was about 5 or 6 of these which the Belly dancer and Dudley and a stage hand began pouring the beer into specialized Three Terrors plastic cups and passing them to the audience! And as they were doing this the band and Stephen Merritt started singing 99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall. Before you could say intoxication the entire audience was singing along to this usually tiring song. The beer seemingly never ended. 99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall was constantly changing, which made singing it so much fun, first it was a cherry, bright sing-a-long and then became a slowed down maudlin number then, picking itself off its feet becoming a rousing number once more. People were forgetting numbers and even Stephen Merrit went from 65 bottles back to 69! And as we hit 69, 59, 49 and so on, He would halt the audience, shout, CHORD CHANGE! and the audience would stumble into another chord. It was great. But the best part was to come. All night the singers were passing a big bottle of Courvosier back and forth, Stephen Merritt in his frog croak of a voice said, Its good for the singers throat and tongue-in-cheek- Pass the Couvosier. Well, about down to 25 bottles of beer, with Couvosier in hand, Stephen Merrit poured the remnants of it into Litza's and mine own glasses. What a thrill, especially for Litza who has been a staunch fan of Mr. Merrit since the mid 90s. The concert finally ended and Litza and myself slightly tipsy and elated exited the Bowery Ballroom into the snowy New York Sunday night. Blair NP: Heavn is A billion Light Years away, Stevie Wonder _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 22:45:41 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: NJC For Fred Hi Fred, your post reminds me of this post I was sent yesterday. Not sure I agree with the politics of it entirely (it was sent by a farmer friend of mine who has very particular views), but it made me laugh anyway. Sarah >The Ant and the Grasshopper - CLASSIC VERSION: >The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building >his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper >thinks he's a fool, and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. >Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed. The grasshopper has no >food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold. > >The Ant and the Grasshopper - MODERN VERSION: >The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his >house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks >he's a fool, and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come >winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands >to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while >others less fortunate are cold and starving. National News shows up to >provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant >in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. The nation is >stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be, that in a country of >such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so? >The opposition parties stage a demonstration in front of the ant's >house, where the news stations film the group singing, "We Shall Overcome." >A local member of government rants in an interview with celebrity news >reporter that the ant has gotten rich off the backs of grasshoppers, and >calls for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his "fair share". >Finally, the Government drafts the Economic Equity and Anti Grasshopper >Act, retroactive to the beginning of the summer. The ant is fined for >failing to hire green bugs for help and, having nothing left to pay >his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government. >The story >ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant's >food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be >the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it. >The ant has disappeared in the snow. The grasshopper is found dead in >a drug related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over >bya gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 00:26:08 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: condeming NJC Does anyone want to define "condemn" and say how it relates to practical action? It could go all the way from "I express verbally my rejection of" to "I actively seek (or pursue) the destruction of." DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 00:42:51 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #41 Catherine wrote > Hey, it ain't me, Fred - Joni's constantly complaining > about being called the best *female* or *woman* > singer/ songwriter/ whatever. I think when it comes to > talent, a person's sex shouldn't make any difference. > I have a hard time with the actor/actress thing too - > I'm too used to saying actress when it's a woman. > Alhough men and women are both singers, not singers > and singesses. We're awfully inconsistent about that. > Well, in an odd sort of way, females have the better of it in terms of clarity of terminology. For example, I could say that Anthony Hopkins is my favorite actor, but the listener would not know if I meant he was my favorite male actor or my favorite overall actor. Because of the 'standard' carelessness of speakers in general ( as well as the logic 101 of it), I could also say that Meryl Streep is my favorite actress, and one would still not know whether she was also my overall favorite. But if I call Meryl my favorite actor (as I often do), there is no doubt what I mean. There is no simple term available for me to convey the same thought about a male. I think women can also be songstresses, in theory paving the way for a parallel clarity to the actor /actress terms noted above. As in, "Joni Mitchell is my favorite singer" (leaving no doubt where there already was none). :-) Bob'sart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 01:38:56 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: the Catholic Church NJC I always thought your secret weapons were hockey pucks:) Kasey, yes, we do have oil! And uranium too. Now that you mention it, there's been a lot of talk about how we let in the 9/11 hijackers, and how our water is needed to irrigate Californian deserts, and about what a nuisance the Canadian border is. . . ;-) Sarah At 8:34 AM -0600 02/04/2003, kasey simpson wrote: >I am also a republican and you know how we just love war, so please >be informed >you Canadian trollop, this USA bit** will have Bush declare war on you. By >the way does Canada have any oil? >KaseyGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 02:02:45 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: February 5 1966: Joni performed at The Chess Mate in Detroit. 1974: Joni performed at Avery Fischer Hall in New York City. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=875 1981: At a ceremony in Toronto's O'Keefe Center, Joni was in competition for a Juno Award as Canada's Best Female Vocalist, which she lost to Anne Murray. But Joni was also inducted into the Canadian Music Hall of Fame and presented the award by Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau. More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Juno81.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 23:28:37 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Canadian WMDs NJC Lama wrote: > Yeah, I'll bet you have weapons of mass destruction in Canada, like those ugly General Motors cars you guys make >in Ontario. And: Wildlife of Mass Diverisification Wandering Moose of Desolation Whining Morisettes of Dissonance Whirring Mosquitos of Mass Infestation Whiskey of Magnificent Distinction > You might think the USA would irrigate with Canadian water, but with our thirst for oil we might irrigate California >with Canadian oil instead. (All the better to lubricate the San Andreas fault, I say!) All the better to run new sea water desalination plants! - "Let it flow, let it flow, let it flow...." LOL Kakki, too long at the wine tasting bar tonight ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 23:45:20 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Song choices for altos - any suggestions? njc Great choices for the alto voice! Blue Motel Room and Bewitched would work good but I think Since You Asked would be the perfect. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 02:29:50 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: condeming NJC Sarah wrote: > I do condemn any institution that promotes the idea that the whole is > greater than the sum of its parts, and that perfectly natural > behaviour is "wicked". For me, that is most religions (I would say > that Judaism might be the exception here) and some forms of government. Vince wrote: This is to me so incredibly judgmental and frightening. It begs the question of whether "most religions" or a particular religion actually do promote the idea that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. It begs the question of whether of the idea of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts is in itself a concept worthy of condemnation. And it total discounts the fact that for different people, there will be diversity of experience here. What one person experiences one way, another person will experience another. And the experiences of all people are valid, as all people are valid. My reply: I do condemn any institution that covers up child abuse, of any kind. When the reputation of that institution (the whole) becomes more important than the safety or health ( the parts) than it should be condemned. That is not condemning the religious belief of any one or any thing. Vince: Where is the tolerance in condemning others? Where is the respect - which you crave - when you condemn others, and what others believe? Do others have a right to condemn you if they disagree? If everyone is going around condemning, where is the ability to have a future free from hostility, hate, and disrespect? Diversity and respect rests in saying "there are a set of views which personally I find untrue to my life experience and so I will not hold them, but I respect others who do hold those views because it may be true to their life experience and each of us is free to hold those beliefs because each of us has the right to hold beliefs without being condemned." Intolerance is in saying "I condemn (not disagree with, not respectfully differ from, not critique according to these academic standards, but *condemn*) any religious or political science teaching that disagrees with what I have chosen to be the universal standard. Me: Vince tolerance is not your strong suit. Just last week you wrote some hateful things to me about an opinion you thought was mine. You even accused me of playing mind games. You did not ask what I meant you assumed what I felt and jumped. Even if it had been my opinion where was your tolerance of my opinion? Sarah is speaking of the Church as an institution, not attacking a religion. Vince: Are there wacky nuns and priests out there who have done wacky things that we know of in our own experience? Yes of course. Are there adherents of that faith group that have sexually abused children? Yes there are. Does that apply to the whole? Let me be blunt: no fucking way. If you believe that, then the logical extension is that all atheists have never been wacky, or that atheists have never sexually abused children. And reality rejects that logical extension. me: No one has said that all, or even the majority of nuns or priest behave this way. What is being said, is the institution knew of this, covered it up, and did not remove the offenders. Vince: What you wrote, Sarah, is that Catholicism is evil but you do not condemn individual catholics who do not believe much of what their faith teaches. What you say is that Islam is evil but you do not condemn individual Moslems who do not believe much of what their faith teaches. And I can only say, in light of my own human experience, what incredible arrogance to set yourself up as judge of others religions. The sins of history are rooted in that type of thinking, as I have experienced history. Me: This is funny, you say she is arrogant to set herself up as judge, yet you have judged her as arrogant. You have said she is judging a religion, but I see her as speaking out against an institution. You are saying how she feels about religion, not her. Much like you said how I felt about abortion. You are making assumptions and then judging people for it. Vince: I close - finally! - be speaking frankly. Sarah, if you had said, "in my own experience, I find there are certain thinks that I strenuously object to in this or that or the other and thus I cannot be this or that or the other, but I know that I do not have access to the whole reality or the whole understanding of every other person so I will respect those whose insights, experiences, and realities are different than mine" then none of this conversation would be happening. Me: In other words in order to be respected you must choose words that are acceptable to others, and not your own. Vince: Yours is a very lonely ideology. I pity you, actually. Vince It is rhetoric like this that kept me away from God for many years. I am not an expert on religion. But I believe with my whole being that I will not be judged by how many books on God I've read, but rather on how I lived the life S/He gave me. You aren't condemning Sarah, but you are condescending, and imho intolerant of her views. KaseyGet more from the Web. 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