From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #90 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 4 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 090 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Musical tastes NJC ["hell" ] Re: Musical tastes we'll take to the grave REVEALED! NJC [vince ] Re: njc [vince ] Re: joni mitchell Taming the Tiger poster [Randy Remote ] RE: Joni & the Catholic Church NJC now some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't [Catherine McKay <] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #88 "NJC Religion" [Catherine McKay ] Re: Musical tastes we'll take to the grave REVEALED! NJC/ now siblings & music ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Musical tastes NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC Religion for JMDLers [Catherine McKay ] RE: joni is a sheep (or ram)! NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #89 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #85 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Jonifest 2003 [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] CD players sound different, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #88 "NJC Religion" [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Joni in Record Collector, 100% JC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] re:Joni on vinyl - amen! ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Musical tastes REVEALED! NJC Tuba or not Tuba NJC ["mike pritchard" <] Today in History: February 4 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: February 4 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Shuttle and Heaven full of astronauts (NJC) ["kakki" ] first albums bought njc [Ron Greer ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:33:22 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Musical tastes NJC Fred wrote: > SO!!!! all of you, it's admit it time, lets see how diverse our tastes are, > list 10 artists/groups you like, but at the end of the list you must include > that secret that you meant to take to the grave, you know, you love The Bay > City Rollers!!! Great poem, by the way..... Musical tastes. Hmmmm.... something tells me 10 isn't going to cut it! But my favourites include: Joni, Bonnie Raitt, CSN(Y), Stephen Stills, James Taylor, Fleetwood Mac, Stevie Nicks, Indigo Girls, Dave Dobbyn, Shona Laing, Janis Joplin, Buffalo Springfield, The Doors, Bob Dylan, Melissa Etheridge, Janis Ian, Jonatha Brooke, Dusty Springfield, Carole King, Joan Armatrading, Sharon O'Neill, Neil Young, etc., etc., etc..... see, I knew 10 wasn't going to be enough! As far as "embarassing" secrets go, I guess some people would say Hootie And The Blowfish qualify, but I really like them (particularly their more recent works). Also The Starland Vocal Band and Abba, and I've been known to listen to the occasional Bee Gees track as well. My first "obsession" was with Abba, and my best friend and I made "microphones" out of chopsticks, with strips of paper wrapped around the top, so we could sing along with the songs. Her's had "Agnetha" written on it, while mine had "Frida". I also had the Saturday Night Fever movie poster on my wall, and I knew ALL the moves to the "Hustle"! I was only 11 at the time...... Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 21:49:39 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Musical tastes we'll take to the grave REVEALED! NJC Lori Fye asked: >Is it just Ohio? > It is just Ohio... :-) Vince of Michigan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 19:53:19 -0700 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: Joni's album sales You raise a very good point about STAS, and the longevity of album sales. I'll bet Joni has sold large numbers of her earlier stuff on CD (some to people who already had the vinyl, some who didn't). It would be fascinating to know in general all the information about her album sales (the rates at which they've sold, the breakdown of total CD's vs. LP's of the same album); I'd like to see graphs of each album's instantaneous sales between its release date and the present. Is it public information? Do labels protect this information? Do they lie about sales (to avoid paying royalties)? If anyone can direct me to this information, I could compile it all and publish it on the web somewhere. At 09:58 PM 2/3/2003 +0000, you wrote: >I wouldn't know myself but I'm sure there must be a way of finding out that >stuff. I read somewhere that STAS went gold after a while even though it >didn't debut so well. >Also I get a feeling that BLUE has sold the most copies over all. > >Stephen Toogood > > > > I compiled some data found at http://www.robotwisdom.com/jorn/joni.html > > Peak = peak position, weeks = number of weeks on chart (top 200?) > > > > STASG: Peak: #189, weeks: 9 > > Clouds: Peak: #31, weeks: 36 > > LOTC: Peak: #27, weeks: 33 > > Blue: Peak: #15, weeks: 28 > > FTR: Peak: #11, weeks: 28 > > CAS: Peak: #2 (4 weeks), weeks: 64 > > MOA: Peak: #2 (1 week), weeks: 22 > > THOSL: Peak: #4, weeks: 17 > > Hejira: Peak: #13, weeks: 18 > > DJRD: Peak: #25, weeks: 13 > > Mingus: Peak: #17, weeks: 18 > > SandL: Peak: #38, weeks: 16 > > WTRF: Peak: #25, weeks: 21 > > DED: Peak: #63, weeks: 19 > > CMIARS: Peak: #45, weeks: 16 > > NRH: Peak: #41, weeks: 14 > > TI: Peak: #47, weeks: 10 > > > > Of course, what I really want to know is how many total sales have there > > been to date for each album? Anyone know where one could get that info? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 21:54:35 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: njc My congregation is one of the poor ones - to the other part of your post that I quote, there was a lot of really bad theology that day, as you aptly observe. God did not will any of that, People often use the word God when they mean luck, or circumstance, or happenstance. Who lived and who died that day had nothing to do with God's will, it was merely chance. People often use the word God when they wish to avoid human responsibility. Human beings contrived every situation that made September 11th possible. Vince Freddyb4@aol.com wrote: > Forgive me, but, following September 11th so many survivors were >making comments, thanking God that they survived, but if He /She is so all >powerful, and if this is a Our God (Christian) v Their God (Muslim) contest >then I'm sorry but they came a poor second and third on that day, the winners >on that day were those people who decided that belonging to the human race >comes first and foremost, people proffessional and civilian, who without a >thought for their own families, their own worth, put their lives on the line >to save others. Labels disappeared that day, but sadly some people are bound >to put them back, and I'm sorry I can't see how God can be thanked, when >people so desperate to live, were raining down from the sky. > > My eyes are full of tears writing that, what a painful day that >was, but why do we give God all the credit, when we should be thanking each >other. To say God wanted them to die to be with him in Heaven is just a cop >out, I'll live my life as a good human being, and if it's true that unless I >accept God into my life, I will not be allowed into heaven when I die, then >quite frankly I don't want to go, if he were working for a company he would >have been fired by now. Power and Money corrupt, where are there poor >churches?? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 18:57:52 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: joni mitchell Taming the Tiger poster Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Christopher Treacy wrote: > > As an avid collector of paper goods, especially all > > things Joni, I have to > > warn - THIS IS A FLAT. I'm very tired of people > > attempting to sell flats on > > ebay as posters (they do it ALL the time and it's SO > > misleading!). > > What is a flat? > A flat is a promotional copy of the album cover, the same size as an old LP. They generally have printing on both sides, and are used in displays in stores. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 19:02:17 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: PJ Harvey NJC Stephen Toogood wrote: > Just starting to listen to more PJ myself. I'm liking some of it but like > someone on the list said; not much melody. I shall listen some more though. > Best to start with either 'Stories From The City, Stories From The Sea' (her > most comercial After all the raves from the critics about this album, I finally picked it up. I liked it OK but it is not real close to being one of my desert island picks. One thing I noticed about it is that she uses lots of unusual time signatures (for pop, anyway). There are some good lyrical things in there, too. Vocally, she is kind of like Crissy Hynde's pissed off little sister. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 22:20:23 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Joni & the Catholic Church NJC now some of the foods I actually like & a few more I don't --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > > LOL cath! you kill me!!!! by the way, is there > anything you actually LIKE > re. foods? you would be such a difficult dinner > guest... > wallyK There's lots of foods I like. Just about anything Italian or Chinese (but no mushrooms or squids or anything with eyes!) Chicken prepared just about any way. Mexican food, or even Tex-Mex food. Curry - I love curry. I even like hospital food, believe it or not. Some call it bland but I say, savour the flavour (or, as the Yanks would put it, savor the flavor). I like food that is spicy, or food that is not. I like most kinds of fruit, but vegetables have to be prepared just so (I don't know how to do it, but they have to have some crunch and colour left in them when they're cooked.) I don't eat much in the way of beef or pork - just don't care for it much. I eat some fish, as long as it doesn't taste too fishy. Shrimp are great, but lobsters are a pain to eat and I feel sorry for them anyway when I see them in those tanks. My daughter wants to free the lobsters at the local grocery store, but we'd have to drive quite a way to set them free. I was always a picky eater as a child. Wouldn't eat anything that wasn't plain and obvious. Hated it when my mother tried to fool us into thinking liver was steak. Wouldn't touch spaghetti or pizza or Chinese food until I was at least 12. Used to take so long eating dinner when it was something I hated that my mother would give up (ha! I won!) Do NOT get me started on people who stuff mushrooms. That has always struck me as one of the most useless activities anyone could partake of - why the hell would anyone want to hollow out a freakin' mushroom and stuff it with something else? Like, you've got nothing better to do with your time - you have to stuff mushrooms? Jello is probably one of the stupidest excuses for a dessert anyone could ever come up with. Some people actually order the stuff in restaurants - like, why? There can never be enough chocolate. Greek food is yummy (except for squid and mushrooms and so on.) Those little pinwheel sandwiches like they used to serve at birthday parties when I was a kid - nostalgia time. Or the sandwiches on the coloured bread - you just can't buy pink or green bread these days! Cookies of any kind, especially with milk. Coffee-flavoured ice cream. Orangina to drink, or Brio, or cappuccino or a nice dark coffee; forget that crap with the icky flavours in it - coffee should taste like coffee. You want a milkshake? buy a milkshake, don't try to call it coffee. Ha! Is that enough? Do you like how long this paragraph is? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 22:28:09 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #88 "NJC Religion" --- Freddyb4@aol.com wrote: > I had to go to church and sunday school > as a kid, it was fun in > the winter, but once the Sun came out I started > "Mooching off" I was 8 years > old and I decided I would rather be running around > in the fields and climbing > trees, my mother tried to get tough, but I never > went to church again. A friend of mine used to attend the Church of Tim Horton. Tim Horton's is a donut shop chain here in Canada, named for a hockey player (how appropriate is that?) Anyway this friend of mine would pretend she was going to church, then stop in at Tim's and hang out there for an hour or so before going home. I have to wonder what the rest of her family was doing though, since it was them she was trying to fool. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 22:36:15 -0500 From: vince Subject: NJC Religion for JMDLers Catherine McKay wrote: >A friend of mine used to attend the Church of Tim >Horton. Tim Horton's is a donut shop chain here in >Canada, named for a hockey player (how appropriate is >that?) > For those non church going jazz lovers in the JMDL, check out http://www.ocf.org/OrthodoxPage/reading/St.Pachomius/Xafroc.html and look for the name of the parish in San Francisco - does anyone out there know if that parish is still open? I can't get a response by clicking on their link Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:46:32 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Musical tastes we'll take to the grave REVEALED! NJC/ now siblings & music when i was about 18, i remember bringing my little sister, aged 15 to see santana at winterland in san francisco...we sat on the floor & as was the custom in that place & time, the herb made the rounds from one person to the next (but i never inhaled...lol) ... a few years ago i apologized to my sister for corrupting her at such a young age (or so i thought) but she said oh no she'd already been at it for quite some time... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:46:43 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: joni is a sheep (or ram)! NJC rabbit fish here! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 22:45:07 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Musical tastes NJC --- hell wrote: > Also The Starland Vocal Band and Abba, and > I've been known to > listen to the occasional Bee Gees track as well. You know, I could deal with the Abba thing. Never understood it myself, but lots of people like them, so who am I to judge? But the Starland Vocal Band?!?? Jeezum Crow! I've been racking (or wracking?) my brain trying to think of crap acts that I liked as a kid but would be embarassed to admit to liking now, or even current ones that I like. I'm having a hard time with this. One wo/man's feast is another's poison, y'know. I always felt so out of it as a kid because I didn't scream and go all girly over the Monkees or whatever. I felt like a total outsider because, even if I enjoyed their music well enough, I wasn't one of those cryin' babes that swoon when their idol is nearby. I did enjoy the BeeGees, uncool as that may be to some. I have the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack and Main Course. I also have their double one, I think it's Odessa. I liked their pre-disco stuff. Down in the basement among all my warped LPs is a copy of the Average White Band - I think this was my brother's though and I just sort of stole it when I moved out of the house. I have a couple of Gloria Estefans - even though I don't care much for her, her album of Cuban songs "Mi tierra" is very good; I also have "Hold me, thrill me, kiss me" which is kind of fun. I've got "The Golden Hits of Leslie Gore" which I bought partly out of nostalgia and partly for its kitsch value. I really think someone should do a musical play of all her songs - it would be fairly easy to attach a plot to it. Of modern singers that my kids would like but some might dismiss as crap, I will admit to enjoying the music of Pink (if she doesn't overdose or die in a drunk-driving accident, she may go places), John Mayer (my daughter's current heartthrob, though I could live without hearing "Your body is a wonderland" one more time); yes, even Eminem - my sister made a point about him a few weeks ago: you can understand what he's saying - his diction is good, even though he swears a bit (just an eensie bit). ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 22:53:50 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Religion for JMDLers --- vince wrote: > > > > > For those non church going jazz lovers in the JMDL, > check out > > http://www.ocf.org/OrthodoxPage/reading/St.Pachomius/Xafroc.html > > and look for the name of the parish in San Francisco > - > > does anyone out there know if that parish is still > open? I can't get a > response by clicking on their link The Church of St. John Coltrane? The link didn't work for me either - note the line: "Largely because of its unusual name, this AOC parish in San Francisco has attracted much publicity." That would certainly get me going to church! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 22:57:15 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: joni is a sheep (or ram)! NJC --- Kate Bennett wrote: > rabbit fish here! So's my daughter - Feb 25/87. I'm a Snake Ram and that's as much as I'm going to say about that. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:01:24 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: NJC Religion for JMDLers Catherine McKay wrote: >The Church of St. John Coltrane? The link didn't work >for me either - note the line: "Largely because of its >unusual name, this AOC parish in San Francisco has >attracted much publicity." That would certainly get me >going to church! > > They had a large attendance at one time with some serious musicians playing the liturgy - wonder if their site is down, or if they ran into rough times - this was not a name thing, they really believed that Coltrane was a messenger of God whose music was obviously a gift of God and had some wonderfully written things on their site explaining why they felt Coltrane was a Saint - not sure that I agreed with them, but it was well argued and well reasoned and as valid or more than so much one sees. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:04:26 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #89 >STASG: Peak: #189, weeks: 9 >Clouds: Peak: #31, weeks: 36 >LOTC: Peak: #27, weeks: 33 >Blue: Peak: #15, weeks: 28 >FTR: Peak: #11, weeks: 28 >CAS: Peak: #2 (4 weeks), weeks: 64 >MOA: Peak: #2 (1 week), weeks: 22 >THOSL: Peak: #4, weeks: 17 >Hejira: Peak: #13, weeks: 18 >DJRD: Peak: #25, weeks: 13 >Mingus: Peak: #17, weeks: 18 >SandL: Peak: #38, weeks: 16 >WTRF: Peak: #25, weeks: 21 >DED: Peak: #63, weeks: 19 >CMIARS: Peak: #45, weeks: 16 >NRH: Peak: #41, weeks: 14 >TI: Peak: #47, weeks: 10 BSN was also on the Billboard top 200 chart for several weeks and peaked at around #50 (was #1 briefly on Amazon.com). I don't think T'log has charted on Billboard at all. Anecdote: Mingus shows a peak at #17, but, as Joni pointed out in an interview once, that statistic is really inaccurate--because so few copies of the album were shipped in its initial shipment, retailers had to reorder it very quickly, causing an artificially high sales figure. Sales data are no longer gathered that way; I believe true over-the-counter sales are the exclusive means for calculating the charts (internet sales are included or reported separately, depending on which chart is reporting). There, now you know. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:30:04 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #85 Lori added: >What IS up with that? What's all this adoration of Reagan about? I >never, ever got it. I don't get it either, for Pete's sake. I mean people talk about that guy in God-like terms. They want to add his image to Mt. Rushmore! Many people give him credit for the demise of the Soviet Union, a major stretch as far as I'm concerned. As if...the 80's were so great. Thank God I was stoned and drunk the entire decade, I can barely remember it. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:38:32 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2003 Just a friendly reminder that it would be really great to have deposits in for Jonifest right away if you are planning on being there. I only have 14 deposits in so far, and as I am personally responsible for filling the entire conference center, I am getting a little concerned. Go to: www.jonifest.com for more info. Also, unfortunately, Sharon Buffington will not be going to Jonifest this year, and I need someone to head up the raffle. This is what it entails: 1) Announcing (often) that people should send things to me for the raffle. 2) Arranging the items attractively in the barn early on in the weekend. (Preferably on Thursday.) Deciding and dividing them up into regular raffle and general giveaways. 3) Selling, selling, selling raffle tickets!!!!! 4) Expediantly and efficiently raffling off of the items. This year, I want to set up everything in the Barn early on so people can see what there is.......and then I want to do the raffling of the items on Saturday afternoon before dinner so it doesn't take up time from the performances. This job takes someone really organized, and good at follow-through. Please e-mail me as soon as possible if you are interested in this job. Thanks and hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:52:35 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: CD players sound different, njc C'mon, Kent. Everyone *KNOWS* that CD players all sound alike. They're all perfect and you know it. Now stop it; you'll scare the children. Join the herd and stop talking nonsense! Don't mind me. I'm just waxing sarcastic. I found a $50 CD portable by Panasonic that beats my 5 disc Sony. That's impossible I know. I think I'll have to return it cause I can't trust my own ears. I hope you don't mind if I send a copy of your post to some friends: Jay (who's an audiophile), and Catherine & Paz (who aren't). See, Catherine? I'm not the only one. Lama who went on a vinyl binge: k.d. lang, Ella in front of the Duke's band: 8 LP sides!! a John Prine white label promo without a jacket, early Sinatra LP in mono on Columbia (has a reminder to replace that metal needle every 20 hrs) extended mix of Peter Gabriel's "Sledgehammer" on a 45rpm 12" disc 3 Bill Cosby titles Emmylou Harris 3 record set of Woody Herman and the Thundering Herd(s) (for Dad) The Preservation Hall Jazz Band with Sweet Emma (stereo, 1964 Yeah, baby!) 6-side boot of Petty and the Heartbreakers live and the coup of the month: Tori Amos' "Under the Pink" on brand new vinyl: $8.98 ! There's more but you get the point. Eclecticism lives on the jmdl. In the depths of winter, I'm high on life! Kent Southard said he got a new CD player, >> - the NAD 571t has the HDCD feature, and as it's currently selling at half price, $400, I got one. And the difference is truly extraordinary, my system sounds like I just spent thousands rather than a few hundred. Clearer, richer, punchier, more detailed than you can believe. My previous CD player (also NAD) in comparison made the music seem like a paint by numbers picture with most of the canvas left white. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:57:48 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: CD vs. Vinyl Joni Content Well, yeah. I like piano albums like "For the Roses" and "Boys For Pele" MUCH better on LP but space-rock like "The Yes Album" better on CD. Go for it. Me? I can't wait for my career to rebound so I can upgrade to an insanely expensive cartridge on the turntable. Lama Andrew (Little Bird) said, >>> I've been meaning to ask if anyone has noticed a considerable difference in the quality of sound on Joni's vinyl albums versus her CDs. I do have a turntable but no Joni on vinyl and I've always been curious about the sound difference. I find that vinyl records have more body to them while CDs offer clarity and I don't particularly mind a bit of the groove-scratch feedback. I think it's rather fun, actually. The reason I'm asking this is because I saw a freshly packaged copy of The Hissing of Summer Lawns on vinyl and so want to buy it! But is the sound any better on vinyl? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 21:02:20 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #88 "NJC Religion" Dear Fred, You have only just recently missed a thread on, by and about some of the atheists here on the list or as I refer to myself "humanist.' That's my religion. BUt everything you expressed appears in my personal "bible" and you are not alone here. It's all about the humanity and compassion for me as well, again welcome to & from your new family! Peace, Susan NP: Home made tape for a friend/Crazy live version 1988 & it ain't Patsy! I doubt that words of humanity and compassions should offend anybody - - --- Freddyb4@aol.com wrote: > Wow this discussion of religion "Religion" is pretty vigorous, and it's a > difficult arguement for anyone to win, > I had to go to church and sunday school as a kid, it was fun in > the winter, but once the Sun came out I started "Mooching off" I was 8 years > old and I decided I would rather be running around in the fields and climbing > trees, my mother tried to get tough, but I never went to church again. > I always seem to question what I'm told, and as I have grown > older I feel, enjoying your life, and living a good life, being a good human > being is what matters, but the human race seems compelled to put labels on > themselves or others, tall, short, fat, thin, black, white, Christian, > Muslim, the list is endless and pointless. The labels highlight a > difference, and difference so often means conflict, why can't people be happy > to be alive. > Put kids of any race or creed together and they will accept any > difference, prejudice, religous or political, whatever, has to be learned, > and sadly adults continue to poison young minds. > If you believe in God I can't be critical, I may even envy you, I > believe something lives on after you die, even if it's just your memory in > those you leave behind, but I have never encountered a situation where I have > felt I must believe. > Forgive me, but, following September 11th so many survivors were > making comments, thanking God that they survived, but if He /She is so all > powerful, and if this is a Our God (Christian) v Their God (Muslim) contest > then I'm sorry but they came a poor second and third on that day, the winners > on that day were those people who decided that belonging to the human race > comes first and foremost, people proffessional and civilian, who without a > thought for their own families, their own worth, put their lives on the line > to save others. Labels disappeared that day, but sadly some people are bound > to put them back, and I'm sorry I can't see how God can be thanked, when > people so desperate to live, were raining down from the sky. > > My eyes are full of tears writing that, what a painful day that > was, but why do we give God all the credit, when we should be thanking each > other. To say God wanted them to die to be with him in Heaven is just a cop > out, I'll live my life as a good human being, and if it's true that unless I > accept God into my life, I will not be allowed into heaven when I die, then > quite frankly I don't want to go, if he were working for a company he would > have been fired by now. Power and Money corrupt, where are there poor > churches?? > Hope this doesn't offend anyone Fred Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 21:42:14 -0800 (PST) From: Thom Byrd Subject: Photos Does anyone on this list have photos of joni that they have personally taken? Keep your pencil sharp, thom http://thombyrd.tripod.com/index.html Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 00:56:42 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Joni in Record Collector, 100% JC Speaking of "Mingus", have I mentioned that Leonard Feather of "downbeat magazine" gave it 5 stars out of 5? I have? But have I mentioned it THIS week? Here's the first sentence to get the new folks started: "This is a wonderful piece of work." read up: http://www.jonimitchell.com/downbeat79.html Lama np: Tori Amos' "Under the Pink" on brand new vinyl. Yeah, baby! in a ghostly hand, Randy Remote wrote, >>>> While Mingus is generally blamed as the point in which Joni's career took a dive (even by herself), this table reveals that DJRD was the first release since Blue to drop below the top 20, at #25 as well as the third quickest to drop off the charts altogether. Mingus even rebounded to #17. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 20:12:34 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Fave Joni Lines then Catholics (njc) Sarah wrote: >I was going to send some lines from songs that suggest to me > this - what I call - lack of self-definition, but to be honest, I > feel a bit icky about discussing on the internet someone's decision > to have her child adopted. It was private, and none of my business. I understand. It's difficult to discuss around some subjects without bringing her personal decisions and acts into it, as much as we try to be sensitive about it. I need to learn more brevity (but I tend to wordiness in my expressions). The bottom line is that I interpreted an implication or equivalency of Joni's experiences with those subjugated to the Magdalene Laundries and I just think that is, at best, intellectually dishonest. I absolutely believe that Joni, from her experiences, had a keener sense of empathy when she read about those brutalized in Ireland but her actual experiences were not equivalent. As for Catholicism, that is probably a subject that could fill reams here. My experience of Catholicism does not jive with a lot of others' interpretation and criticism. I was baptized a Catholic, but had a Lutheran mother who never converted. I was sent to both Protestant and Catholic schools and was immersed in both doctrines. My father, who all would assess as "devout" criticized the church up one side and down the other his entire life. The mean nuns, the narrow-minded and daft priests, the sometimes simplistic dogma - he denounced them all. Yet he is still wholeheartedly attached to his faith. I always thought that is because he (and others) embrace the essential truths of the faith itself versus the dogma.. I was so lucky to have also been exposed to the Lutheran doctrine, some of which I embrace as superior to the Catholic, yet still feel I can call myself a Catholic. All the rules - I hardly know any Catholics that believe or follow most of them, yet they still consider themself a member of the church. It would take too much discussion to explain the seeming contradiction of this, but trying in a simple way - the church also teaches that one has free will and individual conscience and that the bottom line is whether your actions are loving to your fellow human beings or not. I have never believed the Pope is infallible and disagree with his current stances on Iraq. I have always believed I could confess directly to God. I believe abortion is a matter of choice of the individual involved - free will between themself and their God or not. I have actually heard and read Catholic priests say premarital sex and divorce is not always a "sin" but the issue is rather about intent and circumstances. I have also had relationships with men who are athiests and their beliefs versus mine was never a problem Go figure. I have met many people in my life who are very bigoted against Catholics and I think that brings out the sensitivity in those who follow that faith. There is truly ignorant misinformation propagated against them. I don't mind the criticism if it is truthful, but there are so many stupid lies out there. It's one of the main reasons I have a problem with the "religious right." While I respect their right to believe as they will and I will defend those rights, I can't abide them imposing their beliefs on others or interpreting someone else's religious belief to their liking.. Every one I've ever met had the wildest ideas about Catholics and thought they were from the devil. No thanks. Interestingly, in the Protestant school I attended, they beat children with rulers and said other religions, especially Catholics were evil, yet in the Catholic school I went to, they would never strike a child, and the worst that could happen was having to stand in the corner or say ten times more prayers. They also taught us explicitly never to put down another's religion. (And, by the way, I did think forcing children to say all those prayers every day was a form of child abuse and my parents finally put me in public school because they believed the same ;-) I guess my point is that we all have different personal experiences of our various religious or non-religious upbringings. You cannot put all of one group into one box. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 07:19:39 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: re:Joni on vinyl - amen! >>As a teenager I had six of my favourite LP jackets up on the wall, arranged in a large square over my stereo.<< I had some LP jackets arranged on my wall too but never managed to make six of them fit into a large square shape. Where did I go wrong? Maybe three of them were gate-folds, meaning that they could include Miles of Aisles, Night Ride Home and Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. Or maybe you had nine rather than six? Or maybe they made a rectangular shape rather than a square? Or maybe I'm taking this all too seriously? Or maybe I'm really really bored at 07.18 ? Maybe I should get a life? P. Dantic in bcn NP Tower of Song ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 07:43:11 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Musical tastes REVEALED! NJC Tuba or not Tuba NJC >>When you use a public campground, placing a TUBA on your picnic table will keep the campsites on either side of you vacant. :~)<< Good tip. I thought it only worked with accordions. Talking of accordions, I was recently, New Year's Day in fact, trying to get lunch in a restaurant in the mountains and the only table available was next to the stage. We grabbed it (the table, not the stage) and then noticed that on the stage were seven accordions and a double bass. We figured they were still left over from the New Year's Eve party, but HELL NO: halfway through the meal the musicians turned up and started cranking out the polkas. All the folks in the restaurant were dancing around and between the tables and the waitresses did a real fine job of keeping their trays out of the flailing arms and legs. Seven accordions is WAY too loud when your eating lunch. It will never happen again. mike in bcn (hoping that Catherine will not ask any questions about which mountains I was referring too ;-) NPIMH Ay te dejo in San Antonio by Flaco Jiminez ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 02:14:06 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: February 4 1966: Joni performed at The Chess Mate in Detroit. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 02:14:06 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 4 On February 4 the following item was published: 1992: "Is this any way to deal with a recession?" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Art Show) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=163 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 21:12:34 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Shuttle and Heaven full of astronauts (NJC) Steve wrote: > "Amelia" has been running through my head all weekend. "Dreams, Amelia, dreams and false alarms..." Yes, me, too. I was just sick at hearing the news Saturday morning. It took several minutes for me to believe it was for real. I used to work for the company that built the shuttle and was there at some of the first landings at Edwards AFB in California. I remembered a lot of what I learned back then - the biggest risk in re-entry was in the tiles failing. It seems that that may be part of the cause. As others have said, we pretty much take for granted the shuttle flights going smoothly, but great vulnerability is always present. Rest their souls. I also thought of a man I met on vacation last summer. He was very low key about his background and we danced and talked music a lot. He got tears in his eyes when I told him Joni was my fave musician and proceeded to recite "Amelia" in its entirety. I told him about the list and he said he wanted to join up. Later, I learned that he was a shuttle astronaut back in the 80s, scheduled to fly on the next flight after the Challenger. He never mentioned that to me when we met. As we know, all the subsequent flights were scrubbed for a long time after that tragedy and he retired before the flights resumed. I thought about him the other day and may try to get in touch with him again. Always thought it would be something to have an astronaut here on the list, but it's great anyway to know that one of these heroes is such a deep fan of Joni's. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:22:26 +0200 From: Ron Greer Subject: in/organic foods njc hi i would have thought that anything from macdonalds (but especially the "apple" pie) would qualify as inorganic. ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:35:44 +0200 From: Ron Greer Subject: first albums bought njc hi my first album i ever bought was "springbok hits of the week no. 11" it was an album of cover versions of the hit parade songs. yeah some of the tracks were really damn awfull. i have subsequently found ou that thats where trevor rabin (later to become a member of the re formed yes) got his start. he was given a list of songs, with the unenviable task of transcribing them in only 1 day, then given 3 hours studio time to record the entire album!!!! the second album i bought was bought mainly for its title. when adults asked me what album i bought it was oh so satisfying to be able to tell them "suck it & see" , wait for their faces to go to bright crimson then oh so innocently pull out the album & show them that that was indeed what the album was called, and that it had a picture of a piece of rock candy on the front :-) hey, i was eleven years old at the time :-) ron ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #90 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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