From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #83 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, February 2 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 083 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: best songs to impress non-Joni fans ["Stephen Toogood" ] joni is a sheep (or ram)! ["Wally Kairuz" ] shuttle (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #82 Where does Joni stand [Freddyb4@aol.com] Re: shuttle (njc) [Mags N Brei ] Re: Reagan - HIV NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: My Pet is named _______ NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: joni, willy the shake & alanis NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni lines - A Case of You [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #82 Where does Joni stand [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Safe Foods, njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] NJC Why the Left is wrong on Saddam [sl.m@shaw.ca] Be Cool [Little Bird ] Re: Artlcle about gay men "converting" to HIV positive NJC ["Blair Fraipo] Today in History: February 2 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: February 2 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] RE: Safe Foods, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Joni lines - A Case of You ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: best songs to impress non-Joni fans "mia ortlieb" wrote: > It almost seems like there is an unspoken rule between some men that one > is not supposed to like Joni, even if one knows nothing of her... I have found this so true. That whole male macho thing is just plain dumb! > I successfully converted my mom by playing the "Blue" cd... I played my mum BLUE and she asked if there was something wrong with her voice! LOL. This I found very funny. > None of my friends seem to like her either. Before I found this list, I used > to think maybe I was a freak... Same here. I just feel lucky that Joni's music gets through to me so all I say to them is "Lets have a round for these freaks..." I've been trying to get one of my friends into Joni's music for ages. I thought it would be easy seeing he is the same age as most of her fans. Boy was I wrong. I started off with C&S which was the most easiest to get into for me. He didn't really think much of it . The I tried the more folkier stuff and that didn't really grap him. Then I tried TI which he thought was ok. Then I tried HEJIRA which he really likes (especially 'Amelia' [even more so the TLOG vers]) and is even going to get the album! I don't think he'l ever like Joni as much as me though because he is drawn to conventional music too much which is so not Joni! Everyone is different but there should be a bit of everything in this list:- Marcie Both Sides Now Rainy Night House Most of BUE You Turn Me On... Free Man In Paris Raised On Robbery Trouble Child Amelia The Magdalene Laundries STEVE T ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 19:38:56 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Safe Foods, njc Laurent writes: > Is any food safe anymore? > From the top of my head: > Fruits &vegetables: have pesticides And if carrots are supposed to be so good for your eyes, why do I see so many dead rabbits on the highways? :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 00:39:56 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Joni in Record Collector That was the highest chart position the album got to in the UK. It was 25 in the US. I'm never quite sure on how the charts are put together but I do know that in the US airplay might go towards the score where here it is pure sells. I'm not sure if that is only for US singles and not albums. It's weird that alot of Joni's music has done slightly better over here considering she has always had a much bigger profile in the US. What's even stranger is that Joni has had 5 top 10 albums which have either been top 10 in the US or in the UK but never both! STEVE T "Dan Olson" wrote:- > Your post suggests an issue: What does it mean for an album to be #20 (what > an amazing achievment for DJRD in the UK; I'll bet it never reached that > here - see post below)? Is it the RATE at which they're selling (taken > over what period), and do I understand correctly that sales only "count" if > they're from major chains like Tower. What's up with that? > > At 09:22 PM 1/30/2003 +0000, you wrote: > >Has anyone seen the Record Collector mag yet? > >Right at the back they do a '25 years ago' thing and this month they > >mentioned that DJRD got to number 20 in the UK this month 25 years ago. > >There is also a photo of Joni holding a rose. I'm guessing it was used to > >promote the album when it came out. She looks so pretty. One of the best > >Joni photos I've seen! > > > >Stephen Toogood > > > >At 12:45 PM 1/22/2003 -0500, wrote: > >In the This Month is History section of jmdl, it > >tells us that THOSL peaked at #4 on the U.S. charts, > >and HEJIRA peaked at #13. That's amazing, huh? > >With no hits on the radio? Wow. > > > I had previously suggested that Hejira was the last album that the general > public bought; a new theory is that DJRD sold poorly because it was a > double album. Lots of double albums did/do poorly (the White album, > T'log); I believe there is too much new material to digest properly - It's > not the right "chunk" of new material. > Stephen Toogood "The snow falls like bolts of lace" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 21:49:14 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: joni is a sheep (or ram)! happy chinese new year everyone!!!!! i know how to say it in chinese but i don't how to write it, so just imagine me in my best madam sin clothes saying it in perfect mandarin. this is the year of the water sheep (or ram, as it is also called) it's 4071 in the chinese lunar calendar. 2002 was the year of the horse, whose main elements were fire and water, signifying great potential for conflict and unrest. this year's sheep element are water and earth, also conflicting but less destructive. we hope we hope we hope... this is joni's year, since she'll be turning 60 in november. as 60 is a multiple of 12, then joni was born in the year of the sheep. quite a strange combination. a scorpion and a sheep. the secrets of death and sex mixed with the frugality and the sentimentalism of the sheep. but then who can figure joni out? to all of you sheep (or rams) on the list, this is your time in the limelight in the 12-year cycle. be prosperous and happy. don't be too cruel to poor little rats like me! i promise i won't steal your lovers away from you and i won't get to the bargain basements before you! (what liars rats are!) in any case, lots of red envelopes with money for everybody! wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 16:56:02 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: shuttle (njc) Lama wrote: Lama, who's tipping his hat today to all of the people who've passed into the next life in the pursuit of furthering our knowledge of pure science I couldn't have said it better myself, Jim. I'd add to that list those who even run the risk. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 20:26:36 EST From: Freddyb4@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #82 Where does Joni stand Helo you lot, I'm new to these pages, new to the internet, so I haven't a bloody clue what I'm doing, but here goes. I obviously like Joni Mitchell, that's how I found the rest of you. I fell in love with Joni while I watched her performance on BBC televisions "In Concert" 1970-71, this was a wonderful showcase for young talent, and it's power was the simplicity of the set, the singer, an instument, and most importantly their songs, so different from the over choroegraphed, sanitised pap, we are subjected to today. They refer to these concerts now as "unplugged" people say wow, that was different, but there are not enough of these kind of music programmes, why? I don't know. That series in the 70's introduced me to Elton John, James Taylor, Carol King as a solo artist, Cat Stevens, Melanie, Neil Young, but Joni Mitchell was awsome, and I doubt if any other female artist will ever create such a volume of original work. Yes it became a little less accessable, but could she have, or should she have, just stayed in that era of "flower power" No she was free to do her own thing, if people liked it, fine, if they didn't, oh well there's always the next album the next idea, her words were never going to dry up. For me there's a touch of nostalgia, I still play my LP's (albums) and remember being 21 and making love to my Danish girlfriend to the sound of Joni's gentle music, in soft candle light, Blue was the Album of the time, and "Case of you" summed up the way I felt about that girl. I would love to do that again, if there's a woman out there who likes the idea, well I'm armed and extremely dangerous, I could bring along a copy of William Tells Overture to liven things up, Hi Ho Silver ! Who was that masked man? If you haven't a clue what I'm on about, then you are too young to understand nostalgia. Who was it said "You're only as old as the woman you feel" not one of Joni's lines I think, it was the oldest swinger in town, Mike Harding, you lot in the US won't have a clue. Bye for now Forest Fred (Glos UK) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 17:32:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: shuttle (njc) anne@sandstrom.com wrote: Lama wrote: Lama, who's tipping his hat today to all of the people who've passed into the next life in the pursuit of furthering our knowledge of pure science and then Anne shared: I couldn't have said it better myself, Jim. I'd add to that list those who even run the risk. to which I will add: oh Anne, the brave pioneers who dare to risk so much in the name of science and humanity in these troubled times are the real heroes. Just like you. sending you love and tonnes of hugs always, Mags. npimh: you are the wind beneath my wings. You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 21:01:09 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Reagan - HIV NJC > > I reply: I met Reagan and briefly talked with him in 1987. He was very > > charming and friendly, but by my estimation his Alzheimers was already >in > > evidence by then, so maybe you are right. There have been several people from Reagan's inner circle and some that were not from his inner circle..let's see.. speechwriter Peggy Noonan being one.. unequivocally say the Reagan DID NOT exhibit any dementia type behavior while in office. I know it is widely disseminated that he was ..well.was not as sharp in his second term. Of course..Nancy would be the one to really know and I don't know if she has ever spoken about this prior to his dementia with Alzheimer's type being reported in ..I believe 1994? And Kakki..writing about her father below..she could spot it. You can not prop somebody up that has dementia..in other words try to get them up and give a speech with the same finesse that they once had..IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. I have watched Reagan's speeches...new conferences..etc,..from his second term..and I would say he was the same Reagan... just a little older. Bree >Yes. My father is the same age as Reagan and has Alzheimers-like dementia >that started in around 1987. You could see his charm and friendliness on >the >surface, but those who knew him better, could see the rapid deterioration >in >many areas early on. Like Reagan, my dad has detereroiated severely at >this >point but remains in fairly strong health and glimpses of the old charm >still shine through from time to time ;-) > >Kakki _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? 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Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 18:48:40 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Safe Foods, njc maybe its not as available in france but here in the usa or at least california you can get all of these things you mentioned (& more) in organic form...no pesticides, hormones, antibiotics, etc...& the people shopping there look pretty good too...btw, i've seen jackson browne in our local market & you know for his age he's looking pretty youthful... >>Is any food safe anymore? From the top of my head:<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 22:07:09 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni, willy the shake & alanis NJC In a message dated 2/1/2003 1:07:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ricw1217 writes: > bob bob bob...as my english professor said in college, if you don't like > shakespeare, the problem's with you, not with shakespeare. > Oh, I wouldn't argue with that at all...And I've got SO MANY problems, what's one more? :o) I suppose we can make the same claim about Joni? Bob NP: Foo Fighters ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 22:09:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni lines - A Case of You In a message dated 2/1/2003 6:58:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, sp@olympus.net writes: > "I could drink a case of you > And still be on my feet" > On her '83 tour, she'd introduce the song as a "drinker's boast", an earlier version of "Hit Me With Your Best Shot". Or in other words..."I can deal with whatever you can throw at me, and I'll still be standing tall...." Bob NP: Everclear, "An American Girl" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 22:11:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #82 Where does Joni stand In a message dated 2/1/2003 8:27:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, Freddyb4@aol.com writes: > so I haven't > a bloody clue what I'm doing, but here goes. I obviously like Joni > Mitchell, > that's how I found the rest of you. Glad you did, Forest Fred...a wonderful introduction too. Welcome! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 22:30:03 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Safe Foods, njc Kate you have out there.. too..Traders Vic..I love that place. A friend of mine for Christmas got a basket full of Trader Vic stuff. Oh..the dehydrated snap peas..so good! And the vegetable sticks.. I have been meaning to see if they have a website to get these goodies. For being healthful.. this stuff is quite tasty!! Bree..who's munching on "Laughing Cow Cheese" and crackers >maybe its not as available in france but here in the usa or at least >california you can get all of these things you mentioned (& more) in >organic >form...no pesticides, hormones, antibiotics, etc...& the people shopping >there look pretty good too...btw, i've seen jackson browne in our local >market & you know for his age he's looking pretty youthful... > > >>Is any food safe anymore? >From the top of my head:<< > > >******************************************** >Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com >Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs >Over the Moon- >"bringing the melancholy world of twilight >to life almost like magic" All Music Guide >******************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 21:55:24 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: NJC Why the Left is wrong on Saddam Another good article on the war in tomorrow's Observer: http://www.observer.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,887184,00.html Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 21:10:25 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Be Cool I'm sitting here playing the lyrics to "Be Cool" in my head, attempting to get my work done. Given the recent "over heated" events in my revealing little mishap, I thought it was time to cool down and keep things lite. So, I was wondering, what is "this game" that Joni is referring to in the song? "If there's one rule to this game Everybody's gonna name it's be cool..." Is it love? Is it showbiz? Or is it simply life? Is the "'em" in the song a reference to charming big-wig financiers or new warry lovers? - -Andrew, who is probably 50/50 fire and ice...most of the time! PS: The Travelogue version of this song is brilliant. It's probably my favourite from the album. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 01:25:01 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Artlcle about gay men "converting" to HIV positive NJC YEs, it does seem to be crap worthy of an article. But, I just got my new Rolling STOne today and there is a piece on the wilting environment and the changes to come within the next 40 years. This scares me more than anything. I want to take action and do something about it. I feel so helpless though, for the people with power to change our energy/environmental habits don't do anything and the ones wanting to do something are sort of throwing their bodies against a brick wall. Blair NP: "Try SOme Buy SOme" George Harrison _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 02:01:08 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: February 2 2002: The Vancouver Sun reported that "Singer-songwriter Graham Nash celebrated his 60th birthday with friends and relatives amid a sea of pink. More than 150 guests attended Saturday's off-beat party at the Madonna Inn, including Stephen Stills and David Crosby, who wore a pink bunny costume." Coyote Rick writes: "[A few nights later] I was at the Madonna Inn for dinner. I asked questions, but the staff were all told they couldn't speak about the party. But, it was WILD, I was told... After some prodding, one of my pals told me he did see Joni and she looked to have a great time, very chatty. That's all he would say, except that she spent the night (but wouldn't divulge which theme room she chose)." More info: http://www.madonnainn.com/ - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 02:01:08 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 2 On February 2 the following item was published: 1968: "Folk singer's biggest wish" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=430 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 23:19:23 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Safe Foods, njc bree wrote >>Traders Vic..I love that place.<< yes its called trader joe's (i think trader vic's is a restaurant)...lots of healthy food and at very reasonabble prices...its not all completely organic etc but much is & most is more so than the normal supermarket brands (though even the regular big chains carry some organic foods)...i don't know if they have a website but if not, they really should...i wonder, are they only in california? btw i LOVE laughing cow cheese! i think i love most ALL cheese...my latest favorite (from trader joe's) is yogurt cheese... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 02:48:57 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: Joni lines - A Case of You Yeah, that's a valid take too. But having had the "brush-off" from the talented gorgeous type more often than not, I've always seen it the other way- she's not sated (HA!) by him- it's telling that in another song of the same vintage (HA!), the author says "if you want me, I'll be in the bar." Feeding, no doubt, where the hooks dangle from the bottom up and the other fishes fog up the bowl with jealous, lusty breathe. Lama Who told that joke a week ago? "A woman wearing a slinky black dress walks into a bar. She asks the bartender for a 'Double Entendre'...... So... he gave it to her." > From: Scott Price [mailto:sp@olympus.net] > I always thought this meant Joni felt she couldn't get enough of > him. Unlike > a bottle or an entire case of wine, when once you reach the point of > over consumption it becomes painfully obvious you've had too much, > with this > guy, she could "consume" as much as she wanted and she'd still want more. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #83 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)