From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #82 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, February 1 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 082 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni on the global music fanbaseNJC [colin ] Fw: joni, willy the shake & alanis ["ron" ] Fw: pet names (NJC) ["ron" ] Re: Comfort Food (NJC) ["mike pritchard" ] Joni only or joni plus? NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: My Pet is named _______ NJC [Gary Zack ] Re: joni, willy the shake & alanis [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC pet names [Chuck Eisenhardt ] SHUTTLE NJC [colin ] RE: food cravings NJC ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: low-carb WAS Re: Comfort Food (NJC) [Susan Guzzi ] Re: SHUTTLE NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Best Joni Songs to impress non-fans, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Matzoh (motzah?)njc [colin ] re: little green ["mia ortlieb" ] waiting for paint to dry (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] joni prejudice [twoshoes@sasktel.net] pets' names [anne@sandstrom.com] RE: pet's names/Now All about Eve (NJC) [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Joni songs on piano NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Joni songs on piano NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: SHUTTLE NJC [dsk ] Re: SHUTTLE NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] 8 & 1/2 weeks and counting down: American Masters special on USA's PBS ["] Re: Comfort Food (NJC) [sl.m@shaw.ca] Bill & Ben NJC ["Gillian Apter" ] RE: kawfee and Bill & Ben NJC ["Gillian Apter" ] Joni lines ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Comfort Food (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Safe Foods, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Joni Parody ["Happy The Man" ] Re: SHUTTLE NJC ["kasey simpson" ] Re: Article about gay men "converting" to HIV positive NJC [David Marine ] RE: kawfee NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] chucking ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Joni lines - A Case of You [Scott Price ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 10:00:17 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Joni on the global music fanbaseNJC at least one of them was in India! dsk wrote: >Joni only has three fans in the whole world! > >http://www.globaldust.com/ > > >Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 02:29:40 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: joni, willy the shake & alanis hi what a combination :-) last week i went to the 40th birthday party of an old friend. hadnt seen him for 13 years. so the talk turned to music, and he still remembered that i loved joni. some of the people said she was great till she became inccessable. (hosl in his opinion) i replied that she was great all along, when she turned inacessable thats when it really started to show :-) then my friend stated in all seriousness that alanis morissette is the joni for the new generation. i didnt want to seem arrogant by reacting the way i wanted to ( hysterical laughter) so i just said i didnt know alanis' music well enough. now i see someone else posted about the little green line being sloppy & said joni's no willy the shake. well after my friends comment the other day, i had been thinking a lot. are we just being arrogant? is joni the voice of a generation, and if so, who is the new generations voice? i couldnt pin joni into a generation. shes just too timeless, too universal. so i came to the conclusion that she is the voice of an age ( tho i really cant define age ). along the lines of willy the shake. people will be looking at, analysing, and treating her writings and music with the respect they deserve hundreds of years in the future. there may be lesser musicians who are the voices of a generation. here i would have to look at people like bob dylan, van morrison, leonard cohen. joni is on a different level. and do other people ever get the feeling that people think youre just being obstinate and/or arrogant when they start suggeting that other musicians are also as good as joni and you eithr politely disagree or burst out laughing as the case may be. ron joni - sunny sunday ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 03:02:39 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Fw: joni, willy the shake & alanis hi last week i went to the 40th birthday party of an old friend. hadnt seen him for 13 years. so the talk turned to music, and he still remembered that i loved joni. some of the people said she was great till she became inccessable. (hosl in his opinion) i replied that she was great all along, when she turned inacessable thats when it really started to show :-) then my friend stated in all seriousness that alanis morissette is the joni for the new generation. i didnt want to seem arrogant by reacting the way i wanted to ( hysterical laughter) so i just said i didnt know alanis' music well enough. now i see someone else posted about the little green line being sloppy & said joni's no willy the shake. well after my friends comment the other day, i had been thinking a lot. are we just being arrogant? is joni the voice of a generation, and if so, who is the new generations voice? i couldnt pin joni into a generation. shes just too timeless, too universal. so i came to the conclusion that she is the voice of an age ( tho i really cant define age ). along the lines of willy the shake. people will be looking at, analysing, and treating her writings and music with the respect they deserve hundreds of years in the future. there may be lesser musicians who are the voices of a generation. here i would have to look at people like bob dylan, van morrison, leonard cohen. joni is on a different level. and do other people ever get the feeling that people think youre just being obstinate and/or arrogant when they start suggeting that other musicians are also as good as joni and you eithr politely disagree or burst out laughing as the case may be. ron joni - sunny sunday ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 03:09:39 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Fw: pet names (NJC) hi my previous cat was named emmy, after emmylou harris due to the fact that its squawking reminded me of emmylou's voice. it also had a habit of rolling in the red dirt which fitted in nicely - tho it wasnt very nice on the furniture afterwards :-( unfortunately emmy was literally half wild cat. (half domestic & half african black foot cat) which meant some fun times playing with her, & some serio\s scars as well. she was so vicious the vets all refused to go near her!!!. unfortunately she couldnt be tamed & ran away. my current cat is a stray who just moved in one night (i had left food out in the hopes of attracting emmy back & he obviously smelt it) i havent named him 'cos that would be kind of presumptious so i just call him cat, kitty, or kittybeast as the mood takes me. calling him for food isnt an issue - he calls me. and what self respecting cat is going to react at any other time??? ron np siquomb - this flight tonight ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:29:50 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Comfort Food (NJC) >>Kakki, a pasty is a pastry with minced meat and usually potato and other vegetables in it. And it tends to be a half moon shape and quite large. << I once had a girlfriend from Cornwall, home of the famous Cornish pasty, and she told me that the pasties were shaped a little like small Calzone pizzas i.e. they came to two little points at the ends. The reason for this is, according to the ex, that this type of food was typical in those parts, especially for the tin miners who were once numerous in that area. The miners had dirty jobs and therefore had dirty hands and so held the pasties with the tips of their fingers on the tips of the pasties and chewed away at the middle of the pasty so that the bulk of the pasty stayed away from the dirty fingers and only the extreme tips were dirtied and therefore almost nothing was thrown away as dirty. I'm sure there's a quicker way to say that but whaddafuck... you get the drift. mike in bcn PS the Cornish pasties always had carrots and onions, other vegetables varied according to the person making them and season, one supposes. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:47:38 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Joni only or joni plus? NJC I haven't been posting much this week because of lots of work, an intensive English course working for the Opus Dei again (Hola Wally), I but managed to put aside 3 hours to catch up yesterday, especially on the NJC situation. I agree that there are many places where people like us could go to express our anti-war feelings, comments on food, talk about our pet's names, about sexual preferences influencing musical tastes, about nature and nurture, about a thousand other things, including or excluding Joni and her music. Absolutely; these places exist but I want to do all of these things with the people on this list. I don't want to go to another list and talk about religion if Vince is not there. I don't want to discuss the war if Debra, Kate, Susan Guzzi, Sarah, Kakki and Colin are not there. I don't want visit another site to talk about sociology and psychology if Mary P and Yael have nothing to add to my comments. And etc and etc. You get my drift. As Vince has said many times, we are a family and families do not always see eye to eye but stick together on most things. I totally agree that we should respect the NJC tag and I beg indulgence if and when I forget. What I love about this list is that I can get all the above and much, much more by going to ONE address. I don't have time and energy to go looking for a family like this one in cyberspace, an impossible quest, I believe. Let's leave the jonionlies to their thing and let's keep this space for other stuff that the above people and many, many more people make the best place in the world to visit. mike NP you turn me on, I'm a radio - joni ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 08:03:39 -0800 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: My Pet is named _______ NJC I've managed to hang onto my two cats, uh, Laverne and Shirley, through my series of moves. They're wonderful cats and actually have some traits that match the real Laverne and Shirley. How did I know who would be who?? They're about ten years old now, and such a great source of comfort. Like Joni says, "I like cats, they give the home a heartbeat." At least I believe that is Joni's quote! Just after my move, I had a major computer crash and had to use a restore disk, which erased everything on my computer. If you have sent me your address, please do so again. Best regards, Gary Zack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 14:18:28 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: kawfee NJC Welcome to the list Gill in Madrid but originally from Scotland. If you ever make it to Barcelona you should be aware that other parts of Spain have different words to describe the different ways to serve coffee. Be careful. There is a slight confusion between the Castilian and Catalan languages but also within the Castilian too. If you have a 'machado' in Madrid you will need to ask for a cortado here. If you ask for a 'tallat' you'll get the same thing but you'll get extra brownie points for using the local language, assuming of course that you can pronounce the word correctly and that the waiter is Catalan (which is unlikely, most are immigrant from other parts of Spain). If you go to the Canary Islands you'll find that the coffee is extremely cheap and also that the milk in it is in fact condensed or evaporated milk rather than fresh or UHT milk which is the norm here. We also have a variation called a 'trifasic' (black coffee + shot of rum/anis or whatever liquor you want + milk). A 'carajillo' here is called a 'cigalo' and is the same as the trifasic without the milk. This is what the trainee traffic cops have with their donuts at 07.00 each morning. Experienced cops have a straight rum or anis or cognac before returning to their patrol car. I didn't drink coffee at all until I came to live in Catalonia and now love it in all it's many guises except with ice, 'cafi amb gel', as it's called here. In my sojourn around the SW of the US in 1996 I only managed to find one good coffee in the whole trip, and that was in the cafi at the rim of the Grand Canyon. Not impressed with coffee in the US at all. Anyway, enough rambling for the moment. If you come to Barcelona, Gill, give me a call. I'll find you a good coffee, assuming you like to drink coffee, mike in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 08:24:32 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni, willy the shake & alanis In a message dated 2/1/2003 5:22:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, flopit@mweb.co.za writes: > are > we just being arrogant? is joni the voice of a generation, and if so, who > is > the new generations voice? > Hi Ron- I wouldn't label Joni as the "voice of a generation"...I would associate Dylan or even Baez with that before I would Joni. With the exception of Woodstock, and some of the DED stuff, her songs seem to be more about universalities and not specific issues tied to a certain time. Like you say, years from now her music will still be listened to, relevant, and analyzed. As will Dylan's of course. As for trying to convince others about Joni, I think either you get it or you don't. And I've never seen Morrisette as anything more than a flash in the pan. Maybe I'm wrong, time will tell. Not that I'm looking for one, but Ani Difranco has more characteristics of being the "next Joni" to my ears. And fwiw, Willy the Shake bores me to tears. Joni is way better in my book. Fortunately we have them both so we don't have to choose. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 08:42:35 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: NJC pet names You got me in my soft spot! JMDL visitors to Mystic Lake Drive know that our blue-eyed, pink nosed, white girly-cat is named Blanche Dubois. (she's always relied on the kindness of strangers). ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 14:37:28 +0000 From: colin Subject: SHUTTLE NJC It looks as if the shuttle has exploded or crashed. On the news now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 09:49:14 -0500 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: food cravings NJC I did a show by Alyn Ackborne once. He's called the Neil Simon of Great Britain. I had to eat pilchards out of a can every night for three weeks. Talk about acting! Jerry - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:18 PM To: Kate Bennett; mike pritchard; list Subject: RE: food cravings NJC --- Kate Bennett wrote: > mike, what the heck are those foods? lol... > >> My mother, when pregnant, apparently had a > craving for cream horns and > pilchards. << Semolina pilchards, climbing up the Eiffel tower Elementary penguin singing Hare Krishna, Man you should have seen them kicking Edgar Allan Poe Aren't they some kind of nasty little fish like (erg) sardines? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 06:49:31 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: low-carb WAS Re: Comfort Food (NJC) Same here Deb, as far as adding more FAT to MY DIET! So I fry my bacon in butter place it on toast spread mayo (thickly) and have the pork rinds as an aside. I never eat things like this in bed for fear of choking. I usually save the shakes/Malts and other ice cream creations for the bedroom. (tongue planted firmly in cheek). ;-P As far as pasta goes ... let it flow baby - hey with a name like Guzzi how can you not! And serously, if I choose pasta for my meal I try to avoid a fat that meal, such as my much adored Italian sausage. I use plenty of olive oil and garlic and add a vegeatable (zucccini, of late). If I choose a meat or fat as my centerpiece, I avoid a carb with that meal. It's real simple - moderation ...balance. Not giving my totals just yet! That's for the Sugarpants gang only! Must fit into those gold lamme jumpsuits we have ordered for our Jonifest 2003 performance! Peace, Susan - --- Deb Messling wrote: > I did find that I had to add more fat to my diet than I was accustomed to, just to avoid consuming too few calories. So I use real mayo in my tuna salad and I fry my eggs in butter. But I don't load on the bacon or eat pork rinds bed. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:01:55 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Alice Temple njc Do of any of you fine (obscure) music loving folk know anything about Alice Temple? What I do know is that she was in a duo called Eg & Alice, who made one album which was warmly received but sold about 6 copies, and then she went to earth. She had previously been a model and skateboarder, and became vaguely known for being the sometime lover of outspoken US model Rachel Williams. She subsequently appeared on the UNKLE album singing the much-praised Bloodstain, which is seemingly about a heroin habit. Anyway, that's what I DO know - what I don't know is whether her album Hangover was ever actually released. I found a 5-track sampler which had a couple of outstanding songs (particularly Chemical Way), and I've seen full track listings for the album on the net, but I've never clapped eyes on a copy, nor found anywhere I can order it. Can anyone enlighten me or point me in the right direction? Cheers, Azeem in London NP: Neath v Munster ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 15:07:49 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: TUNA, A case of you, River NJC WEll I have lied........ there is some Joni Content but not intellectual enough maybe for the JO's .... I have a real fear of their erudition!!! TUNA.... Best Tuna I ever ate was in the Dominican REpublic... Whacking great steak grilled on a beach barbeque with a wonderful Lime and ginger (sauce?) well it went over the fish and the salad..... OH God I can taste it now... cold receding so taste returning... but not the dress sense.. sartorially challenged today, that is me!!! A Case of You....... Oh God what a song.... Blue was my first Joni Album.. as previously mentioned, and I used to dream of ever being that in love with someone so much that I could drink them and drink them in and never get enough or be tired of them. I also wondered, rather vaguely, whether Joni was thinking or playing on the term of "having a case of" as in "got a dose of"... So the love was a sickness. .... Its a great song.... one of my favourites of all time... I love the line in RIVER "He loved me so naughty, he made me weak in the knees".... That is one sensation I think all people of all sexual orientations should experience with the partner of their choice...(unless its with a child or animal...) Little Green...... Oh wow what a wonderful song... how poignant is that? I think everyone has managed to put the point about what the line means, and in the CD word book it is "she is lost to you"... I always took this to mean the child was lost to Joni, but also to him...... I think the term economy of words has been used already. Poets are good like that and I see Joni as a poet who can also set her poems to her music. Final note The Hissing of Summer Lawns has a picture of some people carrying a very large spotty sort of python type snake....... its not an Anaconda is it?...... EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWW..... Good afternoon from a cool greyish UK, touched with blue and just a hint of rain! Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:36:58 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: SHUTTLE NJC What a God awful tragedy. Prayers going out for those poor families. rosie in nj Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:39:22 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Best Joni Songs to impress non-fans, njc How do I 'hook' new listeners? I say, "Joni's a real artist. She's a perfectionist." Then I show 'em the beach photo inside "FTR". They say, "Oh, she's like Madonna. Cool." Lama, unless I made that up ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:46:54 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: TUNA, A case of you, River NJC In a message dated 01/02/2003 15:08:14 GMT Standard Time, lulu.hone@virgin.net writes: > WEll I have lied........ there is some Joni Content but not intellectual > enough maybe for the JO's .... I have a real fear of their erudition!!! > > Lucy, how can you possibly think this post is NJC?? You write about two of her songs and make some lovely points. This is TOTALLY JC! I don't know if there really is anyone on the Joni only list for whom your post would count as NJC, but if there is they should bloody well get a life! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:49:08 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Article about gay men "converting" to HIV positive NJC David, I know you're upset about the HIV news but that n* word makes me very nervous. I wish you wouldn't use it because we can have whole threads (like this post) debating who can use it and under what circumstances. Ultimately, you bring the focus off your topic and put it on your word choice. To me, the n* word is really so vulgar I respond to it every time, otherwise it looks like I condone it. Thanks for reading. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 08:14:31 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Obtuse presidents (NJC) David wrote: > If Reagan was indeed as obtuse as you speculate, he should have > stepped down, or been removed from office. Ah, but then the Republicans wouldn't have had their figurehead so they could work behind the scenes! Just like now ... Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 16:21:49 +0000 From: colin Subject: Matzoh (motzah?)njc Ariel Sharon comes to Washington for meetings with George W. For the State Dinner, Laura decides to bring in a special Kosher Chef and have a truly Jewish meal. At the dinner that night, the first course is served and it is Matzoh Ball Soup. George W. looks at this and after learning what it is called, he tells an aide that he can't eat such a gross and strange looking brew. The aide says that Mr. Sharon will be insulted if he doesn't at least taste it. Not wanting to cause any trouble, after all he ate sheep's eye in honor of his Arab guests, George W. gingerly lowers his spoon into the bowl and retrieves a piece of matzoh ball and some broth. He hesitates, then swallows and a grin appears on his face. He finds that he really likes it and digs right in and finishes the whole bowl. "That was delicious," he says to Sharon. "Do the Jews eat any other part of the Matzoh, or just the balls" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 10:40:13 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: little green What I seem to recall is that Chuck was starting to get cold feet with all the responsibilities of raising a baby. And perhaps Joni may have realized that Chuck was not the one for her. After all, she went down the aisle with him saying to herself "I can get outta this". She took a gamble to see if she could make it work. Then there was the pressure coming from the nuns to hurry up and make a decision, because they told Joni that the older the baby gets, the harder the baby will be to place in a good home. This seems to be what cemented Joni's decision. It's such a sad - incredibly sad - situation. Mia _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 08:46:11 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: waiting for paint to dry (njc) Rather that actually WATCHING paint dry, I'm getting caught up on digests. FOOD: I HATE corned beef hash!!!! But I've taken to eating an orange a day lately... FRED: Fred Simon's CD is not to be missed. If you don't have it, get it. NABOR-LY: Colin, really, you're SO much better off not knowing. sur-priiiise, sur-priiiise, sur-priiiise! (trust me, everyone on this side of the pond is now groaning and wishing I didn't do that :-) LES: You're so funny! You should post more often. You could maybe even give Smurph a run for his money! (And we love you Smurph for you humor and everything else...) RUDE JOKE: I'm going to regret this. OK, go ahead and send it to me, Colin. And welcome to the new JMDLers. Plus, Lucy, I'm so glad you've jumped right in and started posting often. Really enjoying hearing from you, although I can't say I share your culinary tastes :-) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 10:49:30 -0600 From: twoshoes@sasktel.net Subject: joni prejudice > From: "mia ortlieb" > It almost seems like there is an unspoken rule between some men that one is > not supposed to like Joni, even if one knows nothing of her. There's an attitude, reminds me of comments about "chick movies." As if Joni is a "chick singer." Once people have made this pre-judgment, they are not open anymore. They have already made up their minds. And there is definitely an attitude some people have, as if they know what Joni's music is all about and it's not for them -- when the only clue they have is from something they heard on the radio 20 years ago. She is so much more than just that, and I admit to feeling sorry for people who are not open to the beauty and depth of her music because of this prejudgment. > From: Ricw1217@aol.com > that that particular line - "he sends you a poem and she's lost to you" is > just plain sloppy. > no sacrilege! she's a great songwriter. but she ain't no willy the shake, > except maybe in her own mind. Couldn't disagree more. Where Joni puts her words makes meaningful sense to me, even if it isn't textbook perfect. "We look like our mothers did now when we were those kids' age" Someone commented once that "now" should've been at the beginning of this sentence instead of where Joni put it. But it's so PERFECT where it is, when she sings it! It gives a double punch, it juxtaposes time, it demonstrates that weird sense of existing in two times at once (which I feel more and more often as I get older -- as if time is going so fast that 20 years are compressed into 2 years). Joni's poems are not meant to be read, they are meant to be sung. Reading them without the music, without her unique phrasing, is not nearly as effective. > From: "michael o'malley" > originally scheduled for February 25 (Part 1) on CBC Life and Times has been > pushed back one week to March 4, with the sequel ( Part 2) scheduled to air on > March 11. Thanks for keeping us informed. This is one show I won't be missing. > From: Little Bird > oh my god. oh my god. I'm dying of embarrassment. > PLEEEEEEZE forgive me, forgive me, forgive me. > Oh my god. I'm off to die in a little corner now, all > red and overheated. Oh hell. At least there was Joni content of a sort and it was an HONEST mistake. That, we can live with. LOL You go, boy! I am almost through O'Brien's Joni book, really enjoying it. Somebody should have told O'Brien, though, that Bambi was a BOY deer. Sheesh. I thought EVERYBODY knew that! Kate http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 08:53:42 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: pets' names I'm just not so sure about naming a Jack Russell "Coco." I knew a JR who was named "Dickens." Now THAT's a name for a JR. I would have thought Joni might have come up with something a bit more obscure. And, actually, I never pegged her as a dog person. I don't know why. Is this JC or NJC? Oh I don't know... My cats (female) are: Wilson - named after the family that built my house Tuckerman - named after Tuckerman's Ravine on Mount Washington (a rather dangerous place to ski) My sister's rabbit is Cocoa. See, now THAT fits :-) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 09:47:46 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: RE: pet's names/Now All about Eve (NJC) My absolute favorite movie Wally! Own it, as I am sure you do ....Love to put it on late, after a night in the bars, where I just got to see some of the same sort of drama. And the drunker I am the more I remember the lines and recite them right out loud. And what will Eve have ... A milkshake. Peace Susan - --- Wally wrote: > yes, but remember that phoebe was not her REAL name... > wallyK, mad about all about eve, watch it once a month. > > Bruce wrote: > I have two dogs, both Yorkies. > > One named Phoebe -- after the character in All About Eve; "They call me > Phoebe." Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 12:51:44 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Where the hell in NYC is Alison? NJC Someone who has her cell phone #, please email it privately to me. I seem to have lost it. Thanks, rosie in nj Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 18:03:13 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: More thoughts about the anaconda and A Case of You....and other misheard lyrics NJC .... maybe Joni did drink a case of HIM, and the "pissing an Anaconda" was the result... Is she really singing "OH CANADA" in Case of You? Might it be "ANACONDA" ...it fits..... But I won't wreck the song with more wonderings on that strain..... Best misheard lyrics or things that puzzle me in songs...... "Billy Jean is not my mother, she's just a girl who thinks that I am her son..The Cellists not my son!" Michael Jackson...also from MJ. (thriller) "Cos this is Phyllis Diller" The backing group for Elvis singing Teddy BEar (I think) singing HOT BANANA. "I Believe in Milko " Hot Chocolate " 400 children and a crap in the fields" Kenny rogers "Great Balsa fire"... that must send a shiver down the spine of model aeroplane makers You must have your own faves.... Puzzled by one of the lines from "Handbags and Gladrags..." whoever has sung it the line is in there... There is a line that says..."Ever seen a young girl growing old, trying to make herself a bride"......... I mean what are we talking about?..D I Y cloning of brides? spare part surgery? Frankenstein? the TV advert is already in my head......."Hey YOUNG GIRLS, want to make something to occupy you in those long dark winters nights? Missed out on opportunities?..Buy this handy BUILD A BRIDE kit and all your dreams will come true... buy weekly from your local news agents and see your BRIDE grow as the weeks and years go by...builds weekly..... so that in 35 years time you will have the complete bride. Get issue No 1 this week for a starting priceof 99 pence, yes only 99pence (and a flash appears that says....usual price 8.50 sterling) Don't miss out... make friends, watch your years pass by in futile handi crafts....But at least you can show your married friends and 39 god children that your years of lonely spinsterhood were not entirely wasted......." Have I lost the plot here? Lucy who is going to her newsagents RIGHT NOW........... Back....damn and blast they have sold out so now I am going collect small bunnies until I have the whole damned collection...... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:07:45 EST From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: joni, willy the shake & alanis bob bob bob...as my english professor said in college, if you don't like shakespeare, the problem's with you, not with shakespeare. or was he only making value judgements in a self important voice? ric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:19:39 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: to Chris Marshall NJC Chris I closed out the IM before writing it down! ARRGGHHH...!!!! Anastasia, the Queen was distracting me. Please IM me again or email it to me. sorry for the bandwidth No Joni's ;) Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:28:14 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SHUTTLE NJC --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > What a God awful tragedy. Prayers going out for > those poor families. It's terrible. I was just out in the car and this came on the news and at first I thought they were doing a historical thing talking about the one that blew up on take-off. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 19:32:43 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Joni songs on piano NJC >>Every so often, Brian and I write to Fred to tell him how much we enjoy listening to this very CD which just happens to be our favourite dinner music.<< And I would say, from personal experience, that Fred's music is the ideal accompaniment to a drive through the Swiss countryside when you have packed your skis, driven for 14 hours and found that there is no snow in the country. We had such a lot of fun making plan b and plan c etc 'cos of this unexpected event, but along the way we listened to Fred's music and also to Kate Bennett's 'Over the moon'. Recommended, the both. mike np David Grey. A new day... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:36:19 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni songs on piano NJC --- mike pritchard wrote: > > And I would say, from personal experience, that > Fred's music is the ideal > accompaniment to a drive through the Swiss > countryside when you have packed > your skis, driven for 14 hours and found that there > is no snow in the country. Oh shut UP! Showoff! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 13:44:45 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: SHUTTLE NJC Catherine McKay wrote: > > It's terrible. I was just out in the car and this came > on the news and at first I thought they were doing a > historical thing talking about the one that blew up on > take-off. This makes me very sad. Even knowing that the astronauts realize the risks, to be completely blown away so suddenly still makes me cry, and to think that most people, myself included, take for granted the work they and other astronauts do since it all goes so smoothly so often, well, it's not a good idea to ever take anything or anyone for granted. I've seen three videos of the burning shuttle. That's enough now. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 14:04:08 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: SHUTTLE NJC I hope they didn't know what was coming, but I fear they did:0) Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 14:11:10 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: 8 & 1/2 weeks and counting down: American Masters special on USA's PBS April 02, 2003. Lama, who's tipping his hat today to all of the people who've passed into the next life in the pursuit of furthering our knowledge of pure science ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 13:20:18 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Comfort Food (NJC) Interesting bit of social history Mike. You forgot to mention how greasy pasties have to be -- by law! :-) More food history: My Scottish grandfather always referred to a sandwich as a "piece". He'd say (if we were moaning about being hungry) - make yourself a "piece and jam" or a "piece and cheese". The reason was that when he was growing up, his family was very poor, and his mother would make a large amount thick porridge (with oats, water and salt), then would pour it into a drawer - yes, a drawer - allowing it to cool and set. This was the family breakfast for the next week or so. Every morning, my grandfather would cut himself "a piece" i.e. a square of the porridge from the drawer, and would eat it on the way to school. Sounds like something from Monty Python, but it's true. He swore it was the thing that kept him healthy, and he did live until he was 95, even though he started smoking at the unbelievable age of 8! Sarah At 1:29 PM +0100 02/01/2003, mike pritchard wrote: >I once had a girlfriend from Cornwall, home of the famous Cornish >pasty, and she told me that the pasties were shaped a little like >small Calzone pizzas i.e. they came to two little points at the >ends. The reason for this is, according to the ex, that this type of >food was typical in those parts, especially for the tin miners who >were once numerous in that area. The miners had dirty jobs and >therefore had dirty hands and so held the pasties with the tips of >their fingers on the tips of the pasties and chewed away at the >middle of the pasty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 20:43:43 +0100 From: "Gillian Apter" Subject: Bill & Ben NJC Hiya, Catherine and Sarah, You both wrote: Meaning you're one of the two oldest people in > Canada?? > I'm not telling! > What was it? - beeeeeedy-pop-Weeeeeeeeeddddd > (phonetic) ;-) That I don't remember, except that it didn't sound like English. God, you have really taken me back. I ADORED them, and now I remember this joke... Bill & Ben go into the pub. Bill goes up to the bar and says: "Slob-adob-adob-adom, slobadod-a-dob-adoba-dom." And Ben says: I'll get them. You're pissed (drunk) gill (in madrid) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 20:31:58 +0100 From: "Gillian Apter" Subject: RE: kawfee and Bill & Ben NJC Welcome to the list Gill in Madrid but originally from ScotlandThanks for the welcome Mike and your comments of coffee. I love the stuff myself and need at least three mugs in the morning to get the old engine running. I agree with you, there's absolutely no coffee like Spanish coffee (which includes Catalan coffee, even though many Catalans may not agree with the term "Spanish.. Mike wrote: Funnily enough, I have been living in Madrid since about 1984, and have hardly ever heard it referred to as a "machado". I have found that it's a good old "cortado" in Madrid too, although it may depend on what circles you move in. As I lived in Barcelona for about 18 months way back in 1980 (the best time of my life), I still remember my smattering of the old Catalan. (Hosti, tz - not sure of the spelling though!!) I love the bread (pan amb tomaquet) and the toasted bread with olive oil and garlic. Mike wrote: < If you come to Barcelona, Gill, give me a call. I'll find you a good coffee, assuming you like to drink coffee, mike in bcn I still go to BCN every year for work reasons and should be there at the end of this month. If I am, I'll let you know All the best gill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 14:44:56 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Joni lines Well, yeah. You're right. She's not saying one thing clearly. Exactly. But no, I am sure that there is *NO* obvious answer that you're missing. Again, you hit it squarely on the head. Joni's not the queen of disco lyrics. Here's a fill-in that she would never write: "Dance, dance, dance. Let's make some (__-_______)." Hint: two syllables That's clear but it also stinks. It's trivial. That's not what "A Case Of You" is about. It's about confusion; it's about having half a glass. She perfectly and concisely conveys confusion so it's not clear. But that's also why, when confusion enters your life, you come back to "A Case Of You" over and over and over. I don't know about you, but I have *TONS* of confusion in my life so I guess I need lyrics that capsulate that. Embrace the confusion, grasshopper, for within it lies paradox. Close enough? Taking the njc tag off the lyric thread, Lama ps, she's saying to herself that he's a table wine, not a fine wine. Since she's bright, smart, funny, enormously talented, gorgeous, and in her early 20s, he won't be around for long. She's almost ready to tell him to kiss off but as she reflects, she gets this song. Okay, there. Now I've ruined it with clarity. Ron in L.A. said, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Where I am really obtuse and/or the one line that I have always thought off-putting is the refrain from ACOY. JM says she could drink a case of this guy and still not be hammered. What gives? He is weak? He doesn't affect her even in large quantities? Is it that he is so much like her -- she knows him so well -- that he does not affect her? Is she saying he is Lite Beer -- good riddance? I am sure that there is some obvious answer I am missing, but I am not above confessing ignorance, at least tonight, anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 15:16:43 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Comfort Food (NJC) In a message dated 2/1/2003 2:21:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, sl.m@shaw.ca writes: > My Scottish grandfather always referred to a > sandwich as a "piece". Oh no, my platform at the Miss Cypress Gardens beauty pageant this year was "World Peace". I must have lost because of that Scottish judge :~) "Is there anything I can take for my kleptomania?" Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 21:37:24 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Safe Foods, njc . Debra wrote: There is the high mercury level in all fish now, so it's > not a good idea to have fish any more than 3 times a week. That's a sad > thing, for the fish that manage to stay alive (it must be affecting > them) and for us. It's a sign of how we're poisoning the earth, and once > it's done, it's hard and maybe impossible to go back. It's one of those > obvious things that some people can't manage to see. > Is any food safe anymore? From the top of my head: Fruits & vegetables: have pesticides. Bread: white is bad for you, whole wheat is worse because the grain enveloppe contains even more pesticide. Cattle: mad cow disease, foot and mouth disease Then they're feeding those "animal flour" to fish farms now that it's forbidden for cattle. Chicken: hormones Cheese: that deadly disease (listeriose in french) Eggs: salmonella Tap water: don't make me laugh. Must be plenty more we don't know about, yet. I guess the idea is to balance the poison: not more of the same poison everyday? Then if you look in health food stores: patrons don't look too healthy there either, (must be the genetically modified tofu). Laurent (waiting for Joni's Saga on RTL radio tonight). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 14:55:29 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Joni Parody Came across this earlier today. Might have been posted already. Not to bring on the flame wars or get a pat on the back but Rush pretty much sucked. One minute of him and you felt sick to your stomach. "Big Yellow Taxi" Originally by Joni Mitchell "Big Fellow Nazi" Parody by William Tong instrumental intro He gave bad advice Won't shut up And barks a lot And he thinks he's swell - "magnifique" And a big right wing hot shot Rush will say, "I told you so" But he won't know that he's rot 'Til he's gone He gave bad advice Won't shut up And barks a lot He said, "Cut the trees And put 'em in a mausoleum" And told all his people To lock up tree huggers, not to free 'em Rush will say, "I told you so" But he won't know that he's rot 'Til he's gone He gave bad advice Won't shut up And barks a lot (instrumental break) Hey, waiter, waiter! Bring Limbaugh a B.L.T. now Tater tots and some apples Give him dessert and some grease (please!) Rush will say, "I told you so" But he won't know that he's rot 'Til he's gone He gave bad advice Won't shut up And barks a lot Late last night I heard his radio scam 'Cause this big fellow Nazi Is really a cold, cold man Rush will say, "I told you so" But he won't know that he's rot 'Til he's gone He gave bad advice Won't shut up And barks a lot ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 15:56:10 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: SHUTTLE NJC I'm stunned. I can't imagine how the families are feeling right now. Kasey Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans. John Lennon 'Beautiful Boy'Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 13:00:26 -0800 From: David Marine Subject: Re: Article about gay men "converting" to HIV positive NJC Hey Jim -- I'm sorry if my choice of words undercut my point, when of course it was meant to emphasize it. That is, it was meant to reflect the mindset of those who chose not to respond to the helath crisis. I think that the context was clear, but if anyone was offended, I certainly apologize for that, too. I find it odd that although I wrote the phrase "ni**ers and fags," you only found one of the words vulgar! David on 2/1/03 7:49 AM, Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama) at jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > David, > > I know you're upset about the HIV news but that n* word makes me very > nervous. I wish you wouldn't use it because we can have whole threads (like > this post) debating who can use it and under what circumstances. > Ultimately, you bring the focus off your topic and put it on your word > choice. To me, the n* word is really so vulgar I respond to it every time, > otherwise it looks like I condone it. > > Thanks for reading. > > All the best, > > Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 19:02:21 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: kawfee NJC what do you call a cortado in spain and in cataluna? a cortado here is an expresso ''pocillo'' (the small, small cup) with a some milk. a corto is a different thing: it's a very strong expresso, 2/3 of the pocillo. when we drink expresso in a cafe au lait cup, we call it a doble. you can have a doble cortado (little milk) or a cafe con leche (almost 1/3 milk): same size, proportions change. milk is always heated, almost boiled, before added to coffee. if you want it with cold milk, you must announce it first: ''un cortado con fria'', for example. that's what i always drink because i'm very impatient and i hate to drink or eat very hot stuff. you can also have a lagrima ( a tear!!!), which is a cortado with very little coffee a almost all of it milk. and there are a hundred other varieties that i never order so i can't recall their names. i always have my morning's second coffee (first one i make myself at home, italian style) at don jose's. don jose is about 75, from galicia. over 50 years making coffee for the neighborhood. as to coffee standards, i drink it only in argentina, uruguay, brazil, france and italy. in the states i have ginger ale. us coffee is not coffee. no matter how hard you try (just think of all the starbucks thing, so complicated, almost scientific), no one can make really good coffee there. not even oneself! i buy the coffee, i use the same measures i use here in argentina, and my coffee stinks! it must be a bermuda triangle kind of thing with coffee in the us. but then, when you want to make cheese cake outside the us, it never works either. so that's a compensation of sorts. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 19:47:23 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: chucking i am almost 100% sure the reference is in the billboard chronicle when joni got the award. i distinctly remember joni herself saying in the interview that chuck mitchell had backed off. wallyK <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I certainly didn't mean to come off harsh about Chuck. It's none of my beeswax anyway, and Chuck always sounded to me like a nice enough guy, although a bit of a womanizer according to Joni's earliest assessments of him (noticing her legs before he noticed her hands on the guitar, & singing ballads in his act to attract girls). Who knows? He might've used the "other man's child" thing to escape a relationship that was making him increasingly more insecure as his wife's talent & popularity became much more than his own. Bob NP: Tori, "Scarlet's Walk" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 15:57:45 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Joni lines - A Case of You Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama) writes: > ps, she's saying to herself that he's a table wine, not a fine wine. Since > she's bright, smart, funny, enormously talented, gorgeous, and in her early > 20s, he won't be around for long. >>Ron in L.A. wrote: >>JM says she could drink a case of this guy and still not >> be hammered. What gives? "I could drink a case of you And still be on my feet" I always thought this meant Joni felt she couldn't get enough of him. Unlike a bottle or an entire case of wine, when once you reach the point of overconsumption it becomes painfully obvious you've had too much, with this guy, she could "consume" as much as she wanted and she'd still want more. Scott ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #82 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)