From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #80 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, February 1 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 080 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Big Yellow Crows [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A line that bugs me a little ["Lori Fye" ] RE: food cravings NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: A line that bugs me a little [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Comfort food - carbs vs protein NJC [sl.m@shaw.ca] A line that amuses me a bit [Little Bird ] A line that bugs me a little [Steve Dulson ] Re: Comfort Food (NJC) [sl.m@shaw.ca] A line that bugs me a little ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: A line that amuses me a bit ["Donna Binkley" ] njc so you are better than joni? ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Comfort food - carbs vs protein NJC [colin ] Re: Comfort food NJC [colin ] Re: =?ISO-8859-1?B?oEEgbGluZSB0aGF0IGJ1Z3MgbWUgYSBsaXR0bGU=?= [Ricw1217@a] up the duff NJC [colin ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=A0A_line_that_bugs_me_a_little?= ["hell" ] Re: A line that amuses me a bit [colin ] Re: Comfort Food (NJC) ["kakki" ] Re: Joni at the Hollywood Bowl! ["kakki" ] Re: food cravings NJC [colin ] Re: A line that bugs me a little [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: A line that bugs me a little [Deb Messling ] low-carb WAS Re: Comfort Food (NJC) [Deb Messling ] Re: JMDL Message Board NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: low-carb WAS Re: Comfort Food (NJC) [colin ] Re: A line that amuses me a bit ["Lori Fye" ] RE: Artlcle about gay men "converting" to HIV positive NJC ["Heather" ] Joni on CBC Life and Times ["michael o'malley" ] RE: njc so you are better than joni? ["Wally Kairuz" ] Tax Free njc (definitely!) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: A line that bugs me a little [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC Very good article on war in Iraq [sl.m@shaw.ca] pet's names (NJC) [Bruce Kimerer ] Re: up the duff NJC [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: so you are better than Joni...... Lucy's dog...NJC [Catherine McKay <] Re: Solving the popups problem - NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: njc so you are better than joni? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Comfort food NJC and TV shows njc [sl.m@shaw.ca] NJC British tax deadline [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: Comfort food NJC and TV shows njc [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:27:57 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Big Yellow Crows In a message dated 1/31/2003 3:10:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: > Yes, it had a shitload of shoo-bops. Well, hopefully you'll be able to break out the pooper scooper & also get to hear the version they recorded originally. I ain't real crazy about VC's bubble-gum shoo-bops, they're too much of a contrast with the raw rustic feel that CC's bring to it. Maybe you'll win a copy of Volume #37 that has the original version on it! ;~) But the bottom line is that Joni has a hit song on the radio, which is pretty cool. Who knows how many youngsters will make the effort to seek out the original and become Joni fans! Bob NP: Ed Harcourt, "God Protect Your Soul" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:29:55 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little > I have missed somehting major. I thought Chuck Mitchell was the > father? No, Kilauren/Kelly's biological father is Brad McMath, a fellow art student when Joni was in art school. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:31:29 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: food cravings NJC mike, what the heck are those foods? lol... >> My mother, when pregnant, apparently had a craving for cream horns and pilchards. << ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:44:41 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little In a message dated 1/31/2003 3:29:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com writes: > No, Kilauren/Kelly's biological father is Brad McMath, a > fellow art > student when Joni was in art school. And further to that, Chuck initially told Joni that he would help her raise her child, but that was a short-lived promise and he renenged on it, forcing Joni to make her decision. For more information, you can go to our JMDL library and do a search for "Brad MacMath" - you'll find 13 articles! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:03:01 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Comfort food - carbs vs protein NJC Tamsin, it's really hard doing it as a vegetarian, because there's nothing to fill you up the way meat/fish does and which will also give you protein/low carb. Soya -- I can't remember what the carb content is like. I should add though that the point of the low carb diet is not that you should eat a lot of fat - that's the Dr. Atkins version, which I don't agree with. The point is to eat low carb as a priority, but also to reduce your fat intake - just don't replace it with high carb as some dietiticians still advise. Would you consider eating fish? The other thing to do - hard, but necessary - is get used to the feeling of hunger, and force yourself NOT to snack. You could try chewing gum and other tricks. But really the only way to beat these feelings is not to give into them at all for a few weeks, then they will go away. It's hard, but it works. Also -- try drinking something, water preferably but anything will do, when you get these feelings. A lot of our feelings of hunger, of needing to snack, are actually thirst, but our bodies send out hungry feelings because many of us snackers have killed our thirst responses - - but our brains know we will always respond to a hungry feeling, so when thirsty, that's what the brain sends out, knowing it will get some moisture with the food. Sad, or what? Could you drink high protein shakes? You can get low carb high protein shakes from most gyms. The ones in supermarkets are not so good. If you find one that mixes well with water, rather than milk, that would give you your protein needs, and you could arrange to drink it mid-afternoon when your blood sugar starts to slide - although if you stop eating carbs, that will (should) stop happening. Sarah At 5:18 PM +0000 01/31/2003, Tamsin Lucas wrote: >Does anyone have any recommendations on how to lose weight as a >vegetarian? I was always very slim until I stopped smoking 2 years >ago but now feel I'm a few pounds overweight since I am only 5'1". I >have tried cutting down on sweet stuff but the long hours are a >killer when they leave you craving a quick fix and veg just doesn't >seem to do it!! > >_________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:07:03 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: A line that amuses me a bit I've always loved this one: "I didn't know I drank such a lot Until I pissed a tequila anaconda The full length of the parking lot!" When I first heard her sing that line I actually muttered, "Right on!" under my breath. What an image! Oh, she talks too loose...too open and free... Thank God for that. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:10:46 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: A line that bugs me a little Bob wrote: >I've always HEARD: >"He sends you a poem and HE'S lost to you" >Which I interpreted as meaning that when Joni told him >(Brad McMath) about Kelly, he sent her (Joni) some piece >of flaky poetry as a response, in effect telling her that >he was not going to take any parental responsibilit Hate to say "Me too!" but that was what I always heard, and how I interpreted it. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:11:15 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Comfort Food (NJC) LOL LOL! Sarah At 10:09 AM -0600 01/31/2003, kasey simpson wrote: >Colin wrote: > Crabs are really quite >bad for one in the disease it can cause(diabetes, heart dsiease etc and >insulin resistance) > >> And then everyone wonders why there's an obesity problem. :-) >Me: One more reason to be careful when choosing a sex partner :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:02:02 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: A line that bugs me a little my guess is that the poem he sends makes her realize that he is not going to be returning or taking part in the child's life as a parent so the child has 'lost' her father but is 'lost' to the mother who is the sole parent...kind of a creative way of saying all that in only 3 words...imo i think the you has to refer to the same person (joni) because otherwise its just too awkward >> I also have a Joni line that bothers me a little, and I wonder what your thoughts will be. In Little Green, there are these lines where the mother tells the father about the child and he responds with a poem: He went to California Hearing that everything's warmer there So you write him a letter and say, "Her eyes are blue" He sends you a poem and she's lost to you Little Green, he's a non-conformer<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:18:16 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: A line that amuses me a bit We had a whole discussion about this line last year. As to whether a Tequila Anaconda was an alchoholic drink - or the line Joni's pee made as it flowed away down the parking lot. Anyone care to open this again, or perhaps the Notches Libertaion Doll thread??? ha ha, just kidding gang! Donna (running for cover) >>> Little Bird 01/31/03 03:07PM >>> I've always loved this one: "I didn't know I drank such a lot Until I pissed a tequila anaconda The full length of the parking lot!" When I first heard her sing that line I actually muttered, "Right on!" under my breath. What an image! Oh, she talks too loose...too open and free... Thank God for that. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:23:36 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: njc so you are better than joni? Catherine wrote: >I win in the end since my >son and I both call her Smudge. Or Smoudini. Or >Smooragoor. (Smudge led to Smudgie, led to Smudgrigar, >as in budgie coming from budgrigar; Smudgrigar said in >a slurred voice sounded like Smooragoor. Don't even >ask.) I like to change names around too. My cat started life as Murphy, named after the TV show, Murphy Brown - even though he was male. That was only the beginning of his gender identity crisis. He later acquired the nickname, Myrtle which was even more traumatic for him. Now he's either Murphy, Myrtie, Myrtle Turtle or just Turtle. And, after developing the swinging belly that most house cats get, he became Myrtle Moo. :>) It's a rough life. Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:12:09 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: njc so you are better than joni? extremly trivial but fyi, her name is spelled with an a: katharine, i know because that is how mine is spelled & people are forever misspelling mine... >>I have a 15 year old west highland who was named Kathryn Dianne after Kathryn Hepbern, but my southern family quickly changed it to Katie Jo.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:39:11 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Comfort food - carbs vs protein NJC sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Tamsin, it's really hard doing it as a vegetarian, because there's > nothing to fill you up the way meat/fish does and which will also give > you protein/low carb. Soya -- I can't remember what the carb content > is like. I should add though that the point of the low carb diet is > not that you should eat a lot of fat - that's the Dr. Atkins version, > which I don't agree with. this is a common misconception about Atkins. He does NOT recommend a high fat. Not at all. What he does say, is that for the first TWO WEEKS, you eat as much of anything as you like, but no carbs. he knows, and so do those thta follow it, that as result your appetite decreases and you will automatically reduce your fat intake but not to a 'low' level, to a natural level, about 30%. Fat is NOT bad for you and more and more studies are showing this to be the case. Aftr two weeks you gradually increase carbs to about 50 to 60 gms a day. Nutirionist say about 100gms a day is what is needed so it is hardly that low on Atkins. Mind you, i don't call this a diet more a way to healthyiy and keep trim. Myself, I eat chicken, with skin, oily fish, steak, pork and lamb. None of them are overly fatty but i don't remove any either. I eat more fish and chicken than anything esle. Oh and I eat eggs and some cheese and have either evap ilk or double cream in two cups of coffee a day. I also drink 3litres of water a day. Anyone should drink 2 luitres a day anyway, on top of other drinks. By the wya, avoid like the plague, artifical sweeteners. Your body can't tell the difference and stillr eleases insuklin and it won't help your cravings to go awy. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:40:47 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Comfort Food (NJC) sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Coilin, interesting, I was vegetarian for 16 years and this cooincided > with my getting heavy, and I wonder whether it contributed to it, > because it meant a high carb, low protein diet. It doesn't have to, > but it did in my case. and it does with many many peopl. The rise in obsesity coincides with trise of high carb/low fat diets. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:42:36 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Comfort food NJC sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Colin, I've been reading about the chaos in England. Why does this > happen when there's snow over there? Nothing changes when it snows > here, and we have very heavy snow six months of the year. I wonder if > it's because England's snow is mushier because it doesn't get so cold, > and when it thaws and then freezes again, which it must do all the > time as you're hovering around zero, it gets very slippery? it's because the powers that be are complete pratts. no one thought to grit the roads. people were stuck on motorways for 18 hrs!!!!!! > > Bizzy Lizzy with her magic daisy was also my favourite, and Andy Pandy > and Teddy (I fancied Andy Pandy -- how can that be? but I remember the > feeling very well), and I also loved Bill and Ben. flobbadob, say bill and ben says if you love you'll swallow it ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:42:32 -0500 From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?B?oEEgbGluZSB0aGF0IGJ1Z3MgbWUgYSBsaXR0bGU=?= mark tatum started an interesting thread with the following: "In Little Green, there are these lines where the mother tells the father about the child and he responds with a poem: He went to California Hearing that everything's warmer there So you write him a letter and say, "Her eyes are blue" He sends you a poem and she's lost to you Little Green, he's a non-conformer These are the lyrics as they appear on JM.com. and on JMDL. What does line four mean to you? Are the two "you"s in the line both referring to the mother?" the responses to this question have been interesting, and, i thought, unsatisfactory. that line has always bothered me too, because, frankly, it makes no sense, and while the several interpretations that have been presented are interesting, they all seem to be stretches, in my opinion. there are three people in that verse. there's the guy who went to california. there's the singer who writes him a letter and there's the girl with the blue eyes. he, you and her. that's it. one can't start switching the pronouns around and still have coherency! the hard truth about that otherwise lovely song is that that particular line - "he sends you a poem and she's lost to you" is just plain sloppy. no sacrilege! she's a great songwriter. but she ain't no willy the shake, except maybe in her own mind. ric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:49:30 +0000 From: colin Subject: up the duff NJC well John is finally home. Poor sod, a week in 90 degree heat and back to snow and ice and chaos. as we got home, there was still choas indoors, having just had the ktichen floor tiled, the wok men left today. And then Kevin and harvey having to be kept apart and Napoli kept apart form both of them because she is in season. Well John, comes into the kitchen to see the floor and I yell'shut the gate!' too late. Harvey was on Napoli and in and tied in seconds flat. Not bad for an 8mth old! Kevin doesn't care. I am beginning to think he is gay. actually, I think it is because in Denamrk they do most breedings by AI because Europe has more diseases that can be passed dog to dog, especially by sex. So they do it by the hand and egg cup method. Maybe that explains why Kevin gets excited by us but not by the girls..... anyway, so in 9 weeks time we will have bubbas. (Napoli is mature enough and will be not far off 17mths when she pops) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:52:00 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=A0A_line_that_bugs_me_a_little?= Ric wrote: > the responses to this question have been interesting, and, i > thought, unsatisfactory. that line has always bothered me too, > because, frankly, it makes no sense, and while the several > interpretations that have been presented are interesting, they > all seem to be stretches, in my opinion. there are three people > in that verse. there's the guy who went to california. there's > the singer who writes him a letter and there's the girl with the > blue eyes. he, you and her. that's it. one can't start switching > the pronouns around and still have coherency! the hard truth > about that otherwise lovely song is that that particular line - > "he sends you a poem and she's lost to you" is just plain sloppy. I disagree, I think her use of pronouns is consistent throughout the song. She's talking about the mother with "you", ie. you write him a letter. "He" is the father, and "she" is the child, Little Green. The following line: So you write him a letter and say, "Her eyes are blue" He sends you a poem and she's lost to you make perfect sense to me. She writes him a letter describing the child, how beautiful she is, and why doesn't he come back so they can be a family, ie. she gets to keep the child. He writes back (as Bob said) with some weird irrelevant poem and she realises he's not interested in the child, or in returning to help raise her, so realises the child is "lost" to the mother - she can't raise her alone, so will have to give her up. As someone else said, it's great economy of words! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:57:43 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: A line that amuses me a bit - NJC Donna wrote: > We had a whole discussion about this line last year. As to whether a > Tequila Anaconda was an alchoholic drink - or the line Joni's pee made > as it flowed away down the parking lot. > > Anyone care to open this again How about you and I and Paz and whoever piss our own tequila anacondas in New Orleans in two weeks? ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:14:04 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: My Pet is named _______ NJC I had a little dog that looked exactly like Coco when I was a teenager. She was a mutt puppy that showed up at the door as a giveaway one day. The best the Vet could guess as far as her pedigree was part whippet and part terrier. In a funny coincidence, I named her Daisy June. Daisy JOAN is the name of Joni's grand-daughter. ha! My oversized tabby cat (who some of you met over the years) was named Mugsy. I wanted a named that sounded tough in a silly way. He was a big baby, but his sheer size kept away most predators ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:03:01 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: A line that amuses me a bit Donna Binkley wrote: > or the line Joni's pee made >as it flowed away down the parking lot. > > > definetly that one..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:18:35 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Comfort Food (NJC) Sarah wrote: > a pasty is a pastry with minced meat and usually potato and > other vegetables in it. And it tends to be a half moon shape and > quite large. Yes, thanks - that's it! I could eat those everyday and Mr. Dulson has already invited me out to the best places to find them here ;-) I love the fish and chips, too. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:16:05 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni at the Hollywood Bowl! YAAAAYYYY! Picnic time!! She hasn't played at the Bowl in years. I think the last time was the Mingus tour. Wow! Happy news, Rick! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:04:39 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: food cravings NJC cream horn is a horn shaped pastry stuffed with cream Pilchards are fish, like sardiens, usually canned in tomato sauce tho rarely you get them fresh. Kate Bennett wrote: >mike, what the heck are those foods? lol... > >> My mother, when pregnant, apparently had a craving for cream horns and >pilchards. << ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:26:08 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little I don't agree, I think the interpretation that she's decided to give her child away is right, and this is an incredibly sad and succinct way of putting it. He sends you [the mother] a poem and she's lost to you [the mother]. She continues: Child with a child, pretending Weary of lies you are sending home So you sign all the papers in the family name You're sad and you're sorry, but you're not ashamed Little Green, have a happy ending. Couldn't be clearer, or sadder. Although I don't think she is playing with pronouns here, a very moving example of that was Earl Spencer's address at Diana's funeral, where he sometimes refers to "she", and sometimes to "you" when talking about (to) Diana. It's a tried and tested literary form, and often very moving, suggesting a splintered consciousness and emotional turmoil. Sarah At 4:42 PM -0500 01/31/2003, ricw1217@aol.com wrote: >the responses to this question have been interesting, and, i >thought, unsatisfactory. that line has always bothered me too, >because, frankly, it makes no sense, and while the several >interpretations that have been presented are interesting, they all >seem to be stretches, in my opinion. there are three people in that >verse. there's the guy who went to california. there's the singer >who writes him a letter and there's the girl with the blue eyes. >he, you and her. that's it. one can't start switching the pronouns >around and still have coherency! the hard truth about that >otherwise lovely song is that that particular line - "he sends you a >poem and she's lost to you" is just plain sloppy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:38:04 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little Do we really know for certain that Chuck reneged on a promise to raise Joni's child? That's a harsh accusation. Has Chuck said anything about this issue himself? >And further to that, Chuck initially told Joni that he would help her >raise her child, but that was a short-lived promise and he renenged on it, >forcing Joni to make her decision. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/03 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:52:24 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: low-carb WAS Re: Comfort Food (NJC) >After scoffing at the low-carb thing for several years I tried it and lost >25 pounds! I have much more energy on this diet and I don't feel >hungry. And it's true, after a few days, your carb cravings go away. I >won't swear off pasta and sweets forever, because I'm not the >swearing-off-forever type. But I can see that a moderately low-carb diet >could be a reasonable way to live. I did find that I had to add more fat to my diet than I was accustomed to, just to avoid consuming too few calories. So I use real mayo in my tuna salad and I fry my eggs in butter. But I don't load on the bacon or eat pork rinds in bed. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/03 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:12:06 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Message Board NJC In a message dated 1/31/03 8:35:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > Hey isnt it wonderful Rose that you finally found the Bruce Cockburn message > board... .I knew you would love him. ;-P > > ha ha, Bruce Hornsby, maybe =) to all the Bruce's out there Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:21:16 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: low-carb WAS Re: Comfort Food (NJC) Deb Messling wrote: >>After scoffing at the low-carb thing for several years I tried it and lost >>25 pounds! I have much more energy on this diet and I don't feel >>hungry. And it's true, after a few days, your carb cravings go away. I >>won't swear off pasta and sweets forever, because I'm not the >>swearing-off-forever type. But I can see that a moderately low-carb diet >>could be a reasonable way to live. >> >> > >I did find that I had to add more fat to my diet than I was accustomed to, >just to avoid consuming too few calories. So I use real mayo in my tuna >salad and I fry my eggs in butter. But I don't load on the bacon or eat >pork rinds in bed. > very sensible. one of the dangers of too low fat is hunger. Our also need fats for all sorts of reasons, like to make use of nutrients like calcium. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Deb Messling -^..^- >messling@enter.net >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/03 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:43:01 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: A line that amuses me a bit > As to whether a Tequila Anaconda was an alchoholic drink - or the > line Joni's pee made as it flowed away down the parking lot. Our Lady of Duality surely meant both! Here's a recipe I found online, but it's in Spanish. I can read some of it, but not all. Who can translate this? ANACONDA 20% Tequila 10% Grapa 10% Ron dorado 10% Licor menta 10% Licor melon 10% Licor kiwi 5% Piqa colada Completar con pedacitos de durazno, mezclar. Decorar borde con blue curasao. (Enviado por Carlos Guerra (TDF)) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:46:23 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Artlcle about gay men "converting" to HIV positive NJC This is not really related but does concern Reagan ... Has anyone else heard that there is some kind of plan to have a monument (statue?) of Reagan at every state capitol in the US? I remember hearing this in a class I was taking titled Representing Power: Parades, Memorials and the Decoration of Public Spaces. Is there some sort of bill that has to be passed by congress for this to happen? Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Susan Guzzi Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 12:57 AM To: kakki; David Marine; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Artlcle about gay men "converting" to HIV positive NJC I don't even knw where to begin here Kakki. But AIDS funding, the very mention of the word, term, disease was completely written out of Regans doctrine. It was a newsworthy day the day he actually utterred the word. His policies alone probably killed your two friends! Because it was too costly to clean up the blood banks! Now realistically could anything have been done to stop it cold - probably not - BUT his delays and moral judgements helped delegate scores more to the role of the living dead. I don't have some slanted article here to link you to, but I can't believe you didn't read or see "And the Band Played On?" Oh it may be all Hollywood, but then so are so many of those articles we get connected to. His concern was about the morality of the majority affected, rather than the masses of humanity and their suffering. He played GOD! Why the allegiance to this bigoted and cruel human - I just don't understand, maybe I'm obtuse. Peace, Susan P.S. Couldn't we have kept talking about COCO, instead of revving me up before going to bed! LOL! NP: Joni/Turbulent Indigo/Borderline - --- kakki wrote: > David wrote: > > > were then subjected to a Holocaust in which niggers and fags were > deliberately > > encouraged to die by Ronald Reagan. > > I've heard a bit about this before here on the list, but don't understand > how, why, Reagan was responsible for it, etc. My recall in the early 80s is > that everyone was very frightened and concerned at the emergence of the > disease and trying very hard to figure out what it was, how to treat it, > etc. It was on the forefront of everyone's minds for several years and > widely covered in the press from the time of its discovery. Many of the > government funded universities' research and medical centers, such as UCLA > and UCSF, were working on it from the beginning. I had two female friends > who died from HIV infected blood transfusions in the 80s and lost other > friends and co-workers to it. It affected everyone in some way. What did > Reagan do to encourage people to die? Please don't think I'm obtuse - I > sincerely want to know to try to understand what you and others have said. > > Kakki Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:48:53 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: njc so you are better than joni? Our goldfish is named Hadrian. He rules his tank. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of vince Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 4:03 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: njc so you are better than joni? laughing at what Joni names her dog, Coco afrer Coco Chanel? thinking she is so uncool and common in naming her pet? What are the names of your pets? I'll start: Samoyed named Tall Oaks Tomas WS Farfel (dog is called Tommy and the WS syands for White Sox) Samoyed named Tenoch Royce Farfel (dog is call Tenoch, see Y Tu Mama Tambien for inspiration on name, and Royce was a WS player, and all my Samoteds are Farfels in tribute to the Nesyle Quik dog). My first dog was a mutt named Snowflake. My first Samoyed was Harvey (from the movie) Celtus Farfel.. Along the way I had, all Samoyeds, Viking (college mascot) Farfel, Waldo (from Swedish theologian P. P. Waldenstom) farfel, Curly (as a puppy he had curly hair and before we could name him, he was already responding to Curly) Farfel, and Clue (because if Clue wasn't her name, she wouldn't have had any clues) Farfel. Had a beloved lab lost about a year ago after a wonderful life, Fielder Musetta Butcher (she was a field dog, Musetta a lively character in LaBoheme, Butcher was Susan Butcher, multi-winner of Iditarod). Rescue dogs that I have placed with others were named Mags (Magglio Ordonez, White Sox player), Frank (Frank Thomas,White Sox player), Bo (Bo Schembechler, Michigan football coach), and Pearl (Janis Joplin). So by my way of dog naming, Coco is quite alright. Ok, everyone, reveal your pets' names, and why. Lets see how much more creative anyone was than Coco ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:56:53 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Joni on CBC Life and Times This show is jinxed! Damn, they've gone and done it again! The programme originally scheduled for February 25 (Part 1) on CBC Life and Times has been pushed back one week to March 4, with the sequel ( Part 2) scheduled to air on March 11. Check it out at http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/sched_tv.html I'd say, don't hold your breath; we've have had so many false alarms, they may just pull it from under our feet again. Amelia? Can you please do something about this? Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:00:53 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: njc so you are better than joni? yes, this bear is yours. but it is his owner that's wild and roamin' . wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Murphycopy@aol.com Enviado el: Viernes, 31 de Enero de 2003 02:33 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: njc so you are better than joni? I have a bear named Wally. I keep him in South America, since bears are so hard to domesticate. - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:04:12 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: pyle on miles what IS the complete sentence? ''joni, you have more class than mick jagger, richard nixon, gomer pyle .... something something something" . what is it? wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:47:41 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Tax Free njc (definitely!) PHEW! Just submitted my tax return for the last financial year, and I wanted to share my relief with you good people. I have submitted my application form for the 2002-2003 "Top Procrastinator Awards", my submission being based on the fact that, having had about six months to fill the bloody thing in, I ended up filling out the self-assessment form on line, about 45 minutes before the deadline, which was midnight on the 31st January. Trouble is, I got a bit stuck on one section, and went over into the 1st Feb, albeit only by about half an hour, and may therefore have to pay a late penalty of 100 quid, which will make a mockery of the fact that that I didn't have to pay any tax for the year, as I earned so little money. One of these days I'll finally get around to enrolling on that How Not To Procrastinate course... Azeem in London, not sure whether to kick myself or just retire to bed, exhausted. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:42:56 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little In a message dated 1/31/2003 5:37:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: > Do we really know for certain that Chuck reneged on a promise to raise > Joni's child? That's a harsh accusation. Has Chuck said anything about > this issue himself? > I've never heard anything from Chuck...I can't recall the source but it seems like I recall Joni saying in print or in an interview that Chuck decided he just couldn't raise another man's child. If I ever come across the reference I'll remember to bring it to your attention, Deb. I certainly didn't mean to come off harsh about Chuck. It's none of my beeswax anyway, and Chuck always sounded to me like a nice enough guy, although a bit of a womanizer according to Joni's earliest assessments of him (noticing her legs before he noticed her hands on the guitar, & singing ballads in his act to attract girls). Who knows? He might've used the "other man's child" thing to escape a relationship that was making him increasingly more insecure as his wife's talent & popularity became much more than his own. Bob NP: Tori, "Scarlet's Walk" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:00:17 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: NJC Very good article on war in Iraq IMO, good piece: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,885771,00.html Sarah I remembered the NJC!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:28:45 -0500 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: pet's names (NJC) I have two dogs, both Yorkies. One named Phoebe -- after the character in All About Eve; "They call me Phoebe." One named Watson -- after who knows what. Before them I had another Yorkie named Cecil. And an English Setter/Samoyed mix named Vanessa. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:30:24 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: up the duff NJC So John opened the floodgates, as it were? ;-) Sarah At 9:49 PM +0000 01/31/2003, colin wrote: Well John, comes into the kitchen to see the floor and I yell'shut the gate!' too late. Harvey was on Napoli and in and tied in seconds flat. . . anyway, so in 9 weeks time we will have bubbas. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:33:36 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: so you are better than Joni...... Lucy's dog...NJC --- Lucy Hone wrote: > RESULT=DAN.... HOWEVER...... I call the dog and my > son asks "are you calling > me?" and I call Sam and the dog comes......SO he > gets referred to as D the > D, or DEEFER as in D for Dog....He will also answer > to "anyone for a > coffee?" "who has not put the phone back on the > hook" and also "Breakfast" > or "lunch" or "Dinner". I have the feeling his own > name for himself may be > the sound that is made by slicing through a big > cabbage as I only have to > crunch through one with a large French cooks knife > and he comes > running...... It's a lot of fun experimenting with what dogs will respond to. Like calling them by something that rhymes with their real name. Or calling them something that has the tones and vowels of their name, but none of the consonants. For example, I would call my dog (Lizbit) i-i (short i's) and see if she responds. Normally she will. On the other hand, this dog also responds if you happen to be calling one of the cats (the cats respond only to the sound of cans being opened, which is odd, since I don't feed any of the pets canned food, but I believe that cats are born with can-opener-sound=food preprogrammed into their tiny brains.) We used to have a dog when I was a kid. His name was Ziggy. You could ask him if he wanted to go for a walk, or you could spell w-a-l-k, or just ask him if her wanted to gofera and he'd go nuts. Or you'd just make vowel sounds in the sound/shape of, "Do you want to go for a walk?" and he'd react the same. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:46:17 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Solving the popups problem - NJC --- Lori Fye wrote: > The best popup stopper I've found so far is "Pop-Up > Stopper" (go > figure) from Panicware, Inc. ... > The free version can be found here: > http://www.panicware.com/product_psfree.html Thanks for the tip, Lori. I HATE those damn popup ads. Some websites are full of them. While we're on this topic, can anyone solve this one, because it has been driving me nuts for at least a month! My 12-yr-old son (bless his pointed little head) was surfing the web and got to some porn sites. Somehow he managed to download something so that if you right-click your mouse when you're online (if you're in IE for example), there's an added bar on the right-click pop-up menu that says "free porn galleries." If you click it, it will take you to a porn site (not anymore, as I've barred the site, along with any site with the word "hentai" in it - that's Japanese porno cartoons, if you're wondering). There was another one on the right-click menu that I managed to find and get off my PC (with some difficulty finding it), but this one totally eludes me. It must be buried so deep somewhere. Even by doing a search on any files that contain any or all of the words "free" "porn" galleries", I still can't find it. Has anyone ever run into this before and how do I get rid of it, aside from smashing my computer? I've even tried going through any *.exe files downloaded within the last month or two to see if I can find it - no luck. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:09:29 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Solving the popups problem - NJC Catherine, I had this a year or so ago. You don't say if you're on a Mac or Windows. If Windows, it's very hard to get rid of it. You can try "find" and search for any file created or modified on the date in question, if you know the date. But even that doesn't always turn them up, because yes, they do get buried deep within the system, and the problem with leaving them there, is that they can "attract" others to download themselves at a later date. I use the word "attract" here because I don't know the correct word. Anyway, how I solved it in the end was I downloaded software called Ad-Aware, which was either freeware or a free trial, I can't remember which. It searches for certain advertising companies that download this kind of stuff, with their ads attached, and it deletes anything from these companies. It won't necessarily work for you, but it was the only thing that worked for me, which included paying a Windows specialist to come in, and after charging me 200 dollars Cdn, the stuff was still there. Ad Aware found 186 programs connected to these advertisers, and deleted them all, and some or all of these must have been the porn, because it stopped happening after that. (I'd be innocently typing and suddenly an enormous pair of breasts would appear on the screen. . .somewhat offputting, and I kept thinking: this is going to happen one day while my mum's visiting. . .) You can download Ad Aware from http://download.com.com/3000-2094-10045910.html?legacy=cnet Hope it helps. If not, I can look up other stuff for you, as I remember roughly where to look. But more drastic ways of dealing with it involve going into your system, and that risks messing other things up. Sarah At 10:46 PM -0500 01/31/2003, Catherine McKay wrote: >My 12-yr-old son (bless his pointed little head) was surfing the web and got to some porn sites.It must be buried so deep somewhere. >Even by doing >a search on any files that contain any or all of the >words "free" "porn" galleries", I still can't find it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:17:54 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: food cravings NJC --- Kate Bennett wrote: > mike, what the heck are those foods? lol... > >> My mother, when pregnant, apparently had a > craving for cream horns and > pilchards. << Semolina pilchards, climbing up the Eiffel tower Elementary penguin singing Hare Krishna, Man you should have seen them kicking Edgar Allan Poe Aren't they some kind of nasty little fish like (erg) sardines? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:23:48 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc so you are better than joni? --- kerry wrote: > I like to change names around too. My cat started > life as Murphy, named > after the TV show, Murphy Brown - even though he was > male. That was only > the beginning of his gender identity crisis. He > later acquired the > nickname, Myrtle which was even more traumatic for > him. Now he's either > Murphy, Myrtie, Myrtle Turtle or just Turtle. > > And, after developing the swinging belly that most > house cats get, he became > Myrtle Moo. :>) It's a rough life. And all this time, I thought Myrtle Moo was a female. I knew someone who called all fat cats "cow cats". ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:28:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Comfort food NJC and TV shows njc --- sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Colin, I've been reading about the chaos in England. > Why does this > happen when there's snow over there? Nothing > changes when it snows > here, and we have very heavy snow six months of the > year. When it snows in Toronto, everyone goes mental - omigod! Snow! Let's all drive crazy! > I also loved > Bill and Ben. Do > you remember the one with the low voice, I think > Ben, was always > muttering something, but you couldn't understand > what it was? Well, > during the war in Bosnia, I finally realized that > all those years > ago, Ben was actually saying: "Slobodan Milosevic" > :-) We used to get Bill and Ben in Canada, believe it or not. My sister Annie and I used to watch it. We were fascinated with its weirdness. "Bill and Ben, Flowerpot men, Bill and Ben, Bill and Ben, Flowerpot Men" and their friend Weed. I've only ever met one other Canadian, not in my family, that remembers that show. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:37:01 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni on CBC Life and Times --- michael o'malley wrote: > This show is jinxed! Damn, they've gone and done it > again! The programme > originally scheduled for February 25 (Part 1) on CBC > Life and Times has been > pushed back one week to March 4, with the sequel ( > Part 2) scheduled to air on > March 11. > > Check it out at > http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/sched_tv.html Isn't this typically CBC? Yeesh! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:38:19 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Comfort food NJC and TV shows njc Meaning you're one of the two oldest people in Canada?? What was it? - beeeeeedy-pop-Weeeeeeeeeddddd (phonetic) ;-) Sarah At 11:28 PM -0500 01/31/2003, Catherine McKay wrote: >We used to get Bill and Ben in Canada, believe it or >not. My sister Annie and I used to watch it. We were >fascinated with its weirdness. "Bill and Ben, >Flowerpot men, Bill and Ben, Bill and Ben, Flowerpot >Men" and their friend Weed. I've only ever met one >other Canadian, not in my family, that remembers that >show. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:41:51 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: NJC British tax deadline One of the British list members (was it Lieve?) said they were facing a fine because of not getting their tax return in on time. See article below from the Times, which says the Inland Revenue will accept the snow as an excuse! http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-562096,00.html Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:45:41 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Comfort food NJC and TV shows njc --- sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Meaning you're one of the two oldest people in > Canada?? > I'm not telling! > What was it? - beeeeeedy-pop-Weeeeeeeeeddddd > (phonetic) ;-) That I don't remember, except that it didn't sound like English. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:57:14 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Blush Master? Maybe I should calling you the Blush-Master since you make me blush so easily! You're very charming, my dear. "The luckiest guy in the world -" thump, thump goes my heart. Forget pitter-patter! Gosh, we're really flirting aren't we. Ah hell, I'm not complaining! (Stop analyzing, Andrew. Go with the flow...) Anyhow, you're really sweet, Kurt. Like, REALLY sweet! I must say I'm a bit smitten... Anyway... The canal you are referring to is the Rideau Canal. It was created in the early 1800s as a trade route. It connects to the Ottawa River, which connects to the St. Lawrence. The university is the University of Ottawa. The canal is quite famous because in the winter it becomes the world's longest skating rink. Right now we are having Winterlude, a winter festival that lasts two weeks in the capital with a whole roster of wonderful activities for our fair citizens. It's lots of fun. You should come up some winter and we can frolick in the snow! The cold doesn't seem so bad when there are several hundred-thousand coloured lights on the trees, ice sculptures along the sidewalks and a three mile skating rink! Consider this an official invitation! Those lyrics were lovely. I'll have to investigate some more male singer/songwriters. Some of them are very good. I have Peter Gabriel, Neil Young, Seal; Leonard Cohen is my favourite. But I should broaden my scope, to be sure. So, do you want to write snail mail? I love getting letters and postcards. It might be a fun way to cure the consistently-looming winter blues and blahs. Besides, I have a "little something" I'd like to send you. It's Joni related, so that should intrigue you enough to give me your address!! (I'm SO devious - heh, heh!) Mine is as follows: 2001 Carling Ave. Apt. 1907 Ottawa, Ont. K2A 3W5 CANADA Well, Kurt, my warm blanket of a Valentine, I bid you a very good night full of comfy "peace" pillows and thoughts of me, of course! You're wonderful. hugs, Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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